Laputa the Floating City
I saw a sketch today on FB from Gulliver's Travels I had never seen this before
(http://rseitz.com/art_writing/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/tumblr_m0t639dNtw1qhsqm1o1_250.jpg)
What I find remarkable is that the same image appears in two old oil paintings as well
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-55cJzoW9Udc/ThaQBX6yRqI/AAAAAAABGpA/rTs9I8pKL60/s1600/aliens_ufos_in_ancient_art_02.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Paintings/Foppa68_294_01.jpg)
The Floating City A Collection (http://rseitz.com/art_writing/floating-city/)
Another interesting point is that in each of these pic/paintings there is also a person shown which is looking up at the "floating object" in the sky. Of course, in the last oil painting there are to young girls (?) floating in the air just above the others.
Are we to assume that these paintings are in a manner portraying scenes with baby Jesus, and are including the floating object as a part of it?
(The link didn't work for me) :)
Quote from: rdunk on June 13, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
Another interesting point is that in each of these pic/paintings there is also a person shown which is looking up at the "floating object" in the sky.
THAT was my point in posting those pictures. Many Religious paintings show some type of craft in the sky and it is obvious that people were aware of them because the painters go out of the way to portray someone looking at them
QuoteOf course, in the last oil painting there are to young girls (?) floating in the air just above the others.
Well don't forget that during those times people were very religious... so events would be interpreted from a religious point of view ie Chariots of the Gods and Angels as opposed to Gray Aliens in Spaceships :P
Those two flying girls... are they Angels or Aliens with a levitation belt? Are they Cherubim? Well modern religion tells us Cherubim are cute chubby baby angels,, like these
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Solomon/Cherubs.jpg)
Yet if you go further back Cherubim at the time of King Solomon, one of the wisest people in the Bible looked like THIS
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Solomon/mostholy_1.jpg)
If we put religiuon aside for awhile and just LOOK at what was portrayed and interpret it in our modern perspective knowing the limitations religion put on free thought back then... we can see that what they saw back then is about what we see today.
We just use differnt names
Flaming Chariot becomes Glowing UFO
Winged Lion like Creature (Cherubim, Sphinx, Winged Bull of the Assyrians) become Fat Chubby Baby Angels
The Winged Disk becomes a Dove with a Halo
Problem with all that is that it distorts the truth... because the new depictions are so totally different no one can see what was what
QuoteAre we to assume that these paintings are in a manner portraying scenes with baby Jesus, and are including the floating object as a part of it?
We should assume NOTHING...:P But then you are trapped in that religious point of view so it makes it hard for you to think outside YOUR box
THIS is probably closer to the TRUTH of it :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZg7tvGN9o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZg7tvGN9o
Quote(The link didn't work for me) :)
Fixed
Quote from: rdunk on June 13, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
Are we to assume that these paintings are in a manner portraying scenes with baby Jesus, and are including the floating object as a part of it?
Yes.
Although I didn't study art history myself I helped my sister in some of her art history assignments while she was taking her five years university art course, so I expect to see things like that in paintings from the XV to the XVIII century, specially those with a religious theme, that were usually the result of the painter being hired to create a specific piece for some rich person or family.
I found an explanation of what we see in these paintings in this page (http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_5_eng.htm).
Quote from: zorgon on June 13, 2015, 06:46:46 PM
If we put religiuon aside for awhile and just LOOK at what was portrayed and interpret it in our modern perspective knowing the limitations religion put on free thought back then... we can see that what they saw back then is about what we see today.
I don't think that putting religion aside when looking at a painting representing a religious theme is an intelligent thing to do. ::)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 13, 2015, 07:01:50 PM
Yes.
Although I didn't study art history myself I helped my sister in some of her art history assignments while she was taking her five years university art course, so I expect to see things like that in paintings from the XV to the XVIII century, specially those with a religious theme, that were usually the result of the painter being hired to create a specific piece for some rich person or family.
I found an explanation of what we see in these paintings in this page (http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_5_eng.htm).
I'll save everybody else the read; conclusion: The UFO's are 'clouds of light', a divine indication/observation/something of God.
I'm being really lazy at the minute, but I would like to know in what time frame the 'clouds' became Cherubs/Angels.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 13, 2015, 07:01:50 PM
I found an explanation of what we see in these paintings in this page (http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_5_eng.htm).
LOL THAT site is a Religious debunker site hardly objective :P Using that as a reference is like asking NASA to explain UFO's :P
Quote from: Sinny on June 13, 2015, 08:01:15 PM
I'm being really lazy at the minute, but I would like to know in what time frame the 'clouds' became Cherubs/Angels.
Well let's look at the 'explanation'
In the first place he fills the mind with babble about the THREE STARS I quote:
to the upper left we see the Nativity Star with three other small stars, or perhaps flames
What do you mean "perhaps flames"? are they stars or are the flames? You don't know? Then why are you 'explaining' anything?
So after a long spiel on the stars representing an impossible virginity...(did God really intend women to be virgins and still have kids? Does this make ANY sense? :P
So...
Returning to the above mentioned detail, the one that was interpreted as an UFO, we see that it is to be found in a great many "Nativities" of the '400 and '500. It is but the announcement to the shepherds, as told in St. Luke's Gospel:
«...and there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field keeping watch over their flock by night. And lo, an angel of the Lord come upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear ye not: for behold!, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you was born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord...»
Okay THIS PART
an angel of the Lord come upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them
The GLORY is the SPACESHIP The Glowing UFO For the Christian God and the angels always appear in the GLORY It is always a glowing object that the angels ride in...
In the past the depictions are obviously craft... Jacob's Ladder for example... an Angel drops a ladder (rope ladder?) from a Glowing Cloud so that Jacob can climb into the cloud ship. This is why people still today consider UFO's to be hiding in clouds :D
(http://tribalstories.weebly.com/uploads/3/0/6/6/30660423/8287529_orig.jpeg)
Rev 4:1
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this."
Rev 11:12-13
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.
There is an interesting page here on the Doorways and Portals
http://www.thequickenedword.com/rhema/JacobsLadderandThePorthole.htm
Look around the web for the GLORY Many paintings always showing it as a floating craft or portal in the sky
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/10037.gif)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/10035.gif)
Some of them look a lot closer to the Stargate (Portal, Abyss, etc) but they are always called the GLORY
So in effect that website link CONFIRMS it They call it a GLORY... von Danekin calls it a CHARIOT and we call it a GLOWING UFO or STARGATE
:P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/10076.gif)
And THIS one
At the Second Coming Christ will appear in the heavens, seated on a cloud and surrounded by the angelic hosts (Matthew 16:27; 24:30; 25:31)Kinda looks like a Stargate to me with the angelic hoard on the other side
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/0906.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on June 13, 2015, 08:02:36 PM
LOL THAT site is a Religious debunker site hardly objective :P Using that as a reference is like asking NASA to explain UFO's :P
It's more like asking NASA to explain how a rocket works.
I see you still ignore the fact that we are talking about religious paintings. ::)
The Ascension Of Jesus
Lets have a look at the paintings showing that..
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Ascension01a.jpg)
Here we see again a round disk (or portal) flying in the sky (an angel each side for lift)
But this looks exactly like the Winged Disks of Assyrian Sumeria and Egypt (with the wings depicted as Angels
Point is the thing is flying above the people... and this again is referred to as the GLORY....
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Ascension03.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Ascension07.jpg)
So yes it is true that back then free thought was punnishable by torture and death :P But if you substitute UFO for The GLORY it makes more sense :D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Ascension02.jpg)
And if anyone looking at THIS image cannot see the Stargate similarity they are truely blind :P Painted in 1445 even has the gate codes. This is expulsion from Paradise... through an obvious portal
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Expulsion_Paolo.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 13, 2015, 08:30:37 PM
I see you still ignore the fact that we are talking about religious paintings. ::)
No I don't :P I just ignore THEIR interpretation of events of the day :P
I see you still ignore the likelihood that the Gods and Demons of all the religious texts are merely all ET's :P
Quote from: zorgon on June 13, 2015, 08:33:43 PM
Point is the thing is flying above the people... and this again is referred to as the GLORY....
Not "the" glory, "a" glory.
QuoteAnd if anyone looking at THIS image cannot see the Stargate similarity they are truely blind :P Painted in 1445 even has the gate codes. This is expulsion from Paradise... through an obvious portal
I suppose it's not possible that those that created the Stargate you are talking about couldn't have based their representation on an old painting. ::)
Quote from: zorgon on June 13, 2015, 08:35:30 PM
No I don't :P I just ignore THEIR interpretation of events of the day :P
But we are not discussing the events of that day, we are discussing their interpretation of the events of that day, that's what the painting shows, this is not a witness report.
QuoteI see you still ignore the likelihood that the Gods and Demons of all the religious texts are merely all ET's :P
No, I am talking about the painting, not about the religious point of view. After all, what was presented for discussion was the painting, not the event.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 13, 2015, 08:56:50 PM
Not "the" glory, "a" glory.
True there were MANY of them :P Like THIS painting
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7LuVZGJ4Mik/ThaPwEak8PI/AAAAAAABGoI/zmFDBmAnXcM/s1600/aliens_ufos_in_ancient_art_09.jpg)
So is it any wonder we are still seeing these ships today? :P
(http://i.imgur.com/RvN7jyR.jpg)
Religious people will always explain to you that you are seeing God and Angles... What is the difference with us seeing Aliens and UFO's? It is simply a matter of INTERPRETATION using the data you have at hand during a given time period :P
QuoteI suppose it's not possible that those that created the Stargate you are talking about couldn't have based their representation on an old painting. ::)
VERY possible :P The makers of Stargate SG1 did their homework at finding the gate representaions in history, mythology and religions around the world
But you are forgeting something... If there were no Stargates or Portals... then WHY do all religions speak of "Gateways to the Gods" or "Ladders into Heaven" (usually with an added door or portal) "Rainbow Bridge to Asgard" All the old text speak of portal as being the gateway or crossing point to the other world. THEY called it Heaven... but back then they had no other reference
We have no choice but to look at Religious art and cave drawings :P That is all we have... (and the written descriptions)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 13, 2015, 07:01:50 PM
Yes.
Although I didn't study art history myself I helped my sister in some of her art history assignments while she was taking her five years university art course, so I expect to see things like that in paintings from the XV to the XVIII century, specially those with a religious theme, that were usually the result of the painter being hired to create a specific piece for some rich person or family.
I found an explanation of what we see in these paintings in this page (http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_5_eng.htm).
ArMaP, the "this page" link you provided did give us much related info on these and similar paintings. thaanks for sharing!
Quote from: zorgon on June 13, 2015, 09:11:51 PM
True there were MANY of them :P Like THIS painting
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7LuVZGJ4Mik/ThaPwEak8PI/AAAAAAABGoI/zmFDBmAnXcM/s1600/aliens_ufos_in_ancient_art_09.jpg)
Those are not "glories", a glory is a halo of light. I think those are supposed to be clouds but the painter was not very good or too lazy. :D
QuoteReligious people will always explain to you that you are seeing God and Angles... What is the difference with us seeing Aliens and UFO's? It is simply a matter of INTERPRETATION using the data you have at hand during a given time period :P
I agree, even during the same time period everyone is always affected by their own bias (resulting from the environment in which they were raised and all the influences they had during their life) when interpreting any piece of data, that's why we can have people today saying that people going naked on the top of a mountain were responsible for an earthquake, for example.
QuoteBut you are forgeting something... If there were no Stargates or Portals... then WHY do all religions speak of "Gateways to the Gods" or "Ladders into Heaven" (usually with an added door or portal) "Rainbow Bridge to Asgard" All the old text speak of portal as being the gateway or crossing point to the other world. THEY called it Heaven... but back then they had no other reference
That may be the result of things lost in translation. Heaven is a good example, as in Portuguese we have only one word (céu) for sky and heaven, so if I say that I saw something in the "céu" what am I talking about, "sky" or "heaven"?
I read once that some ancient civilization called "hell" to a specific part of the country south of them, not underground, but the same name was later used to mean the underground "hell".
QuoteWe have no choice but to look at Religious art and cave drawings :P That is all we have... (and the written descriptions)
But when we look at those we are looking at the product of the time they were made and of the interpretation made by the people that made them (or the people that was paying for them, as was mostly the case of those religious paintings).
PS: If you were a painter and someone paid you a lot of money to paint a religious scene the way that person thought it should be what would you do?
Quote from: zorgon on June 13, 2015, 08:33:43 PM
The Ascension Of Jesus
Lets have a look at the paintings showing that..
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Ascension01a.jpg)
Here we see again a round disk (or portal) flying in the sky (an angel each side for lift)
But this looks exactly like the Winged Disks of Assyrian Sumeria and Egypt (with the wings depicted as Angels
Point is the thing is flying above the people... and this again is referred to as the GLORY....
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Ascension03.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Ascension07.jpg)
So yes it is true that back then free thought was punnishable by torture and death :P But if you substitute UFO for The GLORY it makes more sense :D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Ascension02.jpg)
And if anyone looking at THIS image cannot see the Stargate similarity they are truely blind :P Painted in 1445 even has the gate codes. This is expulsion from Paradise... through an obvious portal
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/Expulsion_Paolo.jpg)
The Buffy finale was all about stopping the God demon Glory from opening all portals to all other worlds...
Quote from: Sinny on June 13, 2015, 09:49:45 PM
The Buffy finale was all about stopping the God demon Glory from opening all portals to all other worlds...
Dan Burisch says a similar thing That they had to close all the Stargates to stop bad things from coming through
(I will go find that reference I think its on the Stargate section already)
Gog and MaGog were locked behind the gates closed at BOTH ends by someone or something yet unknown (it doesn't say God did it in the Qur'an I will have to see if I can find it)
Skinwalker Ranch... Seems that portal activity stopped but the locked up the place and won't release details (Bigelow and NIDS... I need to copy that stuff from ATS :P )
And the very theme of Stargate is uncovering a buried portal and reopening it
The Word "Porthole" is scriptural, both in the OT and NT:
Gen 28:12-17
Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. 13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: "I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants. 14 Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. 15 Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have spoken to you." 16 Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, "Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it." 17 And he was afraid and said, "How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate {8179} of heaven!"
OT:8179 DOOR OR GATE
sha`ar (shah'-ar); from OT:8176 in its original sense; an opening, i.e. door or gate:
KJV - city, door, gate, port (X -er).
Rev 4:1
After these things I looked, and behold, a door {2374} standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this."
NT:2374 PORTAL OR ENTRANCE
NT:2374 thura (thoo'-rah); apparently a primary word [compare "door"]; a portal or entrance (the opening or the closure, literally or figuratively):
KJV - door, gate.
http://www.thequickenedword.com/rhema/JacobsLadderandThePorthole.htm
The Name of The Mountain
"In Japanese Buddhist philosophy, a giant mountain called Mount Sumeru (Shumisen) was believed to stand at the center of the world." from Japanese Connection
"In popular Indian cosmography Mt. Sumeru a magnificient mountain of gold and gems shaped like a cup or the seed vessel of the lotus, was believed to form the center of the world, where all the planets revolved around it. from India China Connection
Sumeru (Sanskrit) or Sineru (Pâli) is the name of the central world-mountain in Buddhist cosmology.
Etymologically, the proper name of the mountain is Meru (Pâli Meru), to which is added the approbatory prefix su-, resulting in the meaning "excellent Meru" or "wonderful Meru".
Other Names denoting the same mountain:
Mount Sumeru (Shumisen)(Shumisen-gi) - Japan
Madala Mountain
Cosmic Mountain
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Meru/meru_turkestan.jpg)
Painting of Mount Meru found in Buddhist cave sanctuary in Chinese Turkestan
This image is a very good representation of the hour-glass shape of the mountain with the gateway or "golden city" on top
So again A Golden City in the clouds... at the other end of an hour glass shaped (wormhole) passage
Quote from: ArMaP on June 13, 2015, 09:28:35 PM
Those are not "glories", a glory is a halo of light. I think those are supposed to be clouds but the painter was not very good or too lazy. :D
Look at it AGAIN :P the 'halo of light' is sitting ON the cloud with two people inside and there is a dome over the whole thing :P The "halo of light" is likely the WINDOW :P And what is that rectangle beside his arm? A control panel or monitor in the back?
It is also easier to paint a random cloud then it is to shape a cloud into a classic UFO shape :P and there are several classic UFO;s in there
QuoteI agree, even during the same time period everyone is always affected by their own bias (resulting from the environment in which they were raised and all the influences they had during their life) when interpreting any piece of data, that's why we can have people today saying that people going naked on the top of a mountain were responsible for an earthquake, for example.
I thought it was Jeans that were responsible for earthquakes and abortion for the drought in California :P But yes we agree on that
SO If someone paints a picture of an Angel waving to shepherds from a glowing floating object to make an announcement to people on the ground... we can then take the context and say that was a flying craft :P. Saying in debunk that "it is ONLY the annunciation to the shepherds" does not debunk anything in fact it verifies it :P
QuoteThat may be the result of things lost in translation.
Not only translation, but interpretation, editing and deliberate obfuscation by the powers in control at the time. "Hey Robin... look at that weird flying thing up there!" Bishop of Cantebury: "hat is no "weird flying thing" that is an Angel in a Glory"
::)
QuoteHeaven is a good example, as in Portuguese we have only one word (céu) for sky and heaven, so if I say that I saw something in the "céu" what am I talking about, "sky" or "heaven"?
Depends on several factors 1) Contest 2) who is saying it.. 3) tone of voice
"That is a hot car"What do I mean?
Well I live in Vegas... I go outside and get in the car that has been in the sun all day It is 145 F inside the car The metal burns your hand. You that is a HOT car :P
But if I am a cop (or a criminal) it means that the car is STOLEN
On the other hand if I am a California Beach Bum... I am really saying that is a COOL car :P
So translating "That is a hot car" into Portuguese what does it tell you? "Isso é um carro quente"
QuoteI read once that some ancient civilization called "hell" to a specific part of the country south of them, not underground, but the same name was later used to mean the underground "hell".
Well HELL as the Christians know it today :P was invented by Dante under commission to the RC church. He had a sick mind :P and they contracted him to depict hell so bad they could scare everyone. Luther figured out there was no Hell as describes and created Lutheranism
Oddly enough the Fallen Angels were cast down to Earth so that means THEY were true ET and THIS is Hell :P
It is all a matter of interpretation. The fact that we have three major religions each with hundreds of splinter groups all using a different interpretation means none of them have the TRUTH :P
QuoteBut when we look at those we are looking at the product of the time they were made and of the interpretation made by the people that made them (or the people that was paying for them, as was mostly the case of those religious paintings).
You forget one thing Artistic Licence Even today painter, commissioned or not, hide little clues and secret messages in paintings. One silly one was the Pawn Stars They made family portraits but refused the one guy (who wasn't family) to get his done. Well he was the one who found the artist so he had her put him into each painting In one the guy was holding a dollar bill... so the face on the dollar was the left out one :P It was funny.
THIS painting of Jesus and the 12 has several hidden codes :D but then it IS a Rosicrucian painting But at the time they were still a secret organiztion :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Rosicrucian/Jesus.jpg)
QuotePS: If you were a painter and someone paid you a lot of money to paint a religious scene the way that person thought it should be what would you do?
IF I had different view points (an artists are the most intuitve people on the planet) I would hide little codes in the painting big enough to be seen and come up with a plausible reason that would make the Patron happy :P
In fact it is now KNOWN that many such messages WERE hidden in old paintings So Shall I point out a few?
Quote from: ArMaP on June 13, 2015, 08:30:37 PM
It's more like asking NASA to explain how a rocket works.
But NASA buys its rocket engines (http://www.space.com/26551-us-military-launches-russian-rocket-engines.html) from Russia. :P
QuoteShould the Russian government yank its supply of rocket engines for United States launches, critical national-security satellite missions could be delayed up to four years, experts told a joint Senate hearing Wednesday (July 16).
starting with the 'crucifixion' blood on the foot? ;)
Quote from: thorfourwinds on June 13, 2015, 11:10:16 PM
starting with the 'crucifixion' blood on the foot? ;)
How about the BRAIN?
Michelangelo's "The Creation of Adam" has endured not only as the most famous of the Sistine Chapel panels, but also as one of the single most iconic images of humanity.
Michelangelo is recognized as one of the greatest painters and sculptors from the Italian Renaissance. What is not so widely known is that he was an avid student of anatomy who, at the age of 17, began dissecting corpses from the church graveyard.
Now, a pair of American experts in neuroanatomy believe that Michelangelo did leave some anatomical illustrations behind in one of his most famous works - the Sistine Chapel.
While some might dismiss this as a coincidence, experts suggest that it would be harder to explain that this was not Michelangelo's intention. Even complex components within the brain, such as the cerebellum, optic chiasm, and pituitary gland can all be found in the picture. As for that sassy green sash running down the pons/spinal column/dude who is holding God up, it follows the path of the vertebral artery perfectly.
(http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles2/a98643_Adan.jpg)
Prophet Zechariah: Flipping Off The Religious Authority
(http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles2/a98643_ZACARIAS.jpg)
The tension between Julius II and Michelangelo is well documented. Historians note that Michelangelo portrayed the pope in effigy as the prophet Zechariah, and that one of the Angels located behind him makes an extremely obscene gesture.
What that adorable little baby is doing with his finger is called "the fig" and its meaning is not nearly as sweet. By sticking his thumb in between his index and middle fingers, he's making an old world gesture that basically means "f*ck you."
So my POINT is that artists regularly add little messages into their art work
BTW ArMaP in the Mary with the UFP picture..
...did you happen to notice tha the Baby Jesus has a nice 6 Pack Abs?
:o
::)
Mona Lisa: A Real Hidden Code in Her Eyes
(http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles2/a98643_monalisa%202.jpg)
Intrigue is usually focused on her enigmatic smile. However, when viewed under a microscope, historians in Italy have discovered that by magnifying the eyes of the "Mona Lisa" tiny numbers and letters can be seen.
Experts say the barely distinguishable letters and numbers represent something of a real-life Da Vinci Code: in the right eye appear to be the letters LV which could well stand for his name, Leonardo Da Vinci, while in the left eye there are also symbols but they are not as defined. Of course, it's very difficult to make them out clearly but they appear to be the letters CE, or it could be the letter B. In the arch of the bridge in the background the number 72 can be seen, or it could be an L and the number 2. Also, the number 149, with a fourth number erased, appears behind the picture, which suggests that Da Vinci painted it when he was in Milan in the 1490s.
You have to remember that the picture is almost 500 years old, so it is not as sharp and clear as when it was originally painted.
As to that painting of Jesus, the Rosicrucian one,,, there is THIS code
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Rosicrucian/detail_1.jpg)
So the argument that there would be NOTHING UNUSUAL in old religious paintings is obviously FALSE :P
And I can't WAIT to hear what these things are in this painting of Moses and WHY he has HORNS :P
(http://www.theufotimes.com/contents/content%20images/In-religious-Art-1.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on June 13, 2015, 10:59:30 PM
And what is that rectangle beside his arm? A control panel or monitor in the back?
I don't know, but there's another one on the opposite side, outside the glory.
Both those rectangles look out of place, as if they were cut from the painting.
QuoteIt is also easier to paint a random cloud then it is to shape a cloud into a classic UFO shape :P and there are several classic UFO;s in there
I disagree, I think a cloud is harder to paint than a classic UFO shape. Also, that painting is supposed to show the miracle of the snow, and we can see the snow better on this version (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Masolino_007.jpg).
QuoteI thought it was Jeans that were responsible for earthquakes and abortion for the drought in California :P But yes we agree on that
It's a different case (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/06/12/eleanor-hawkins-admits-ch_n_7567356.html).
QuoteSO If someone paints a picture of an Angel waving to shepherds from a glowing floating object to make an announcement to people on the ground... we can then take the context and say that was a flying craft :P. Saying in debunk that "it is ONLY the annunciation to the shepherds" does not debunk anything in fact it verifies it :P
We can say what we want, it doesn't make it true. If the witnesses said that they saw an angel announcing the birth of Jesus to the shepherds why transform that into someone on a craft? Aren't you implying that your bias is better than the witnesses bias? That's the same thing as saying that the people that see UFOs are only seeing Venus or swamp gas.
QuoteNot only translation, but interpretation, editing and deliberate obfuscation by the powers in control at the time. "Hey Robin... look at that weird flying thing up there!" Bishop of Cantebury: "hat is no "weird flying thing" that is an Angel in a Glory"
What I meant was that translation is enough to change a large part of a story.
QuoteDepends on several factors 1) Contest 2) who is saying it.. 3) tone of voice
I know, I do translations at work.
QuoteYou forget one thing Artistic Licence
I did not forget it, but if there are other paintings with the same type of object I don't think it was a personal touch from the painter that made that one.
QuoteTHIS painting of Jesus and the 12 has several hidden codes :D but then it IS a Rosicrucian painting But at the time they were still a secret organiztion :P
Hidden codes or not, that painter was not very good. :P
QuoteIF I had different view points (an artists are the most intuitve people on the planet) I would hide little codes in the painting big enough to be seen and come up with a plausible reason that would make the Patron happy :P
But we are talking about something that appears in other paintings, from other artists, from slightly different time periods.
QuoteIn fact it is now KNOWN that many such messages WERE hidden in old paintings So Shall I point out a few?
Only if the situations are similar.
Quote from: thorfourwinds on June 13, 2015, 10:59:49 PM
But NASA buys its rocket engines (http://www.space.com/26551-us-military-launches-russian-rocket-engines.html) from Russia. :P
Irrelevant.
Quote from: zorgon on June 14, 2015, 12:57:14 AM
So my POINT is that artists regularly add little messages into their art work
They do, but not as objects that also appear in representations from that specific scene made by other painters, as in this case.
PS: it doesn't look to me like the angel is doing "the fig", I don't see his thumb between the index and the middle finger, that looks more like wishful thinking from whoever wrote that.
Quote from: zorgon on June 14, 2015, 12:59:05 AM
BTW ArMaP in the Mary with the UFP picture..
...did you happen to notice tha the Baby Jesus has a nice 6 Pack Abs?
That's probably the result of the painter not having a real baby as a model, as the whole abdomen proportions are not as they should be for a baby.
Quote from: zorgon on June 14, 2015, 01:05:28 AM
As to that painting of Jesus, the Rosicrucian one,,, there is THIS code
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Rosicrucian/detail_1.jpg)
So the argument that there would be NOTHING UNUSUAL in old religious paintings is obviously FALSE :P
It's not false, capital letters or not, because nobody said that. ::)
QuoteAnd I can't WAIT to hear what these things are in this painting of Moses and WHY he has HORNS :P
Here's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_(Michelangelo)#Horns) the explanation for the horns, as for what those things are I'm not going to look for an explanation for it, at least not today. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 14, 2015, 01:41:13 AM
Here's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_(Michelangelo)#Horns) the explanation for the horns, as for what those things are I'm not going to look for an explanation for it, at least not today. :)
Well don't bother :P There is always an explanation by people who don't want their boat rocked anyway... Since none of the explainers were THERE they are only guessing :P
You cannot believe in God without realizing that he is by default an ET So If the Angels were zipping around between Earth and their home world they either had to have space craft or portals :P
Unless you want to tell me they don't breath air and can live in a vacuum :D
Quote from: zorgon on June 14, 2015, 07:35:52 AM
Well don't bother :P There is always an explanation by people who don't want their boat rocked anyway... Since none of the explainers were THERE they are only guessing :P
Sure they are only guessing, but so are you. :)
QuoteYou cannot believe in God without realizing that he is by default an ET So If the Angels were zipping around between Earth and their home world they either had to have space craft or portals :P
I don't believe in god(s). :)