Michael Salla recently brought up some odd coincidences in regard to stories about colonies on Mars. Congress recently worked on a Space Mining Bill - which seems bizarre. The US depends on Russian rockets for heavy lifting and we are a long way off from mining asteroids (at least, from a conventional viewpoint).
Why the hurry on setting up a legal framework for space mining? Salla repeats the Corey stories about disclosure of a Mars colony in the near future - with the thought that they may be in a hurry to 'legalize' what they've done.
I cannot imagine Full Disclosure ever happening unless the US can be prevented from turning it into a false flag opportunity (as in "Aliens! Invading !! Panic !!). There is also a need to overcome the Brookings Institute objection that exposing a superior alien culture could wreck human society. Exposing the advanced technology of a Mars colony could mitigate this effect - and US hegemony/credibility appear to be in rapid decline.
Or it could be yet another false hope.......
Quote from: Eighthman on July 04, 2015, 02:26:06 AM
Michael Salla recently brought up some odd coincidences in regard to stories about colonies on Mars. Congress recently worked on a Space Mining Bill - which seems bizarre.
I'd say it makes sense to have a bill. :)
QuoteThe US depends on Russian rockets for heavy lifting and we are a long way off from mining asteroids (at least, from a conventional viewpoint).
They are not really entirely dependent on the Russians. The US military has heavy lifting capacity.
Quote08/28/13 Delta 4H D364? NROL 65 ~17000 VA6 254x999x97.9 LEO/S
http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/logeelv.txt
The part that says 17000 is 17tonnes. That was a National Reconnaissance Office payload (officially). If you want to lift 50 tonnes you only need to launch that 3 times.
I suspect they have higher lift capacity but won't tell us.
QuoteWhy the hurry on setting up a legal framework for space mining?
Because they intend to mine.
QuoteI cannot imagine Full Disclosure ever happening unless the US can be prevented from turning it into a false flag opportunity (as in "Aliens! Invading !! Panic !!).
Scientists in the UK have already detected ET life.
And yet, Senator McCain loudly protests about a possible 7 year delay in replacing Russia lifters. Buzz Aldrin publicly laments how pathetic NASA efforts have become. Private re-supply to the space station blows up and Russia has to help - and a bill to mine asteroids seems timely ?
I have done various searches here and can find no reference to UK scientists proving ET life. Such a discovery would be wonderful....
Not sure it is 100% proven as yet ....but this article does seem to suggest high possibilities. I also thought more would have been said about it if they really believe what they are observing is evidence of ET Life or civilisations.
Have we found alien life? Astronomers discover 50 galaxies that may be home to advanced civilisations
About 50 galaxies have unusually high levels of mid-infrared radiation. They could result from natural astronomical processes - or it could indicate the presence of a highly advanced civilisation...
NASA/JPL-Caltech Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE)
Glimpse: Research using NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) has raised the possibility of alien life
The tantalising possibility of life beyond our solar system has been raised by an incredible discovery.
A team of scientists have detected around 50 galaxies emitting radiation that could indicate an advanced energy-wielding civilisation.
A team from Penn State University in the US searched 100,000 galaxies for signs of highly advanced extraterrestrial life using observations from NASA's WISE orbiting observatory.
"Whether an advanced space-faring civilisation uses the large amounts of energy from its galaxy's stars to power computers, space flight, communication, or something we can't yet imagine, fundamental thermodynamics tells us that this energy must be radiated away as heat in the mid-infrared wavelengths," said Jason T. Wright, assistant professor of astronomy and astrophysics at the Center for Exoplanets and Habitable Worlds at Penn State University.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/found-alien-life-astronomers-discover-5531496
QuoteI have done various searches here and can find no reference to UK scientists proving ET life. Such a discovery would be wonderful...
QuoteScientists in the UK have already detected ET life
QuoteI cannot imagine Full Disclosure ever happening unless the US can be prevented from turning it into a false flag opportunity (as in "Aliens! Invading !! Panic !!).
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Quote from: Eighthman on July 04, 2015, 02:22:53 PM
And yet, Senator McCain loudly protests about a possible 7 year delay in replacing Russia lifters. Buzz Aldrin publicly laments how pathetic NASA efforts have become.
The US has space lifting capacity that is not NASA. They do not send classified payloads like spy satellites into orbit aboard Russian craft obviously. See Vandenberg AFB.
Quote from: Eighthman on July 04, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
I have done various searches here and can find no reference to UK scientists proving ET life. Such a discovery would be wonderful....
Microfossils in comet dust and meteorites support panspermia (http://spie.org/x42547.xml?highlight=x2418&ArticleID=x42547)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2955620/Did-aliens-send-metal-orb-seed-life-Earth-Microscopic-sphere-contain-microorganisms-claims-astrobiologist.html
I find it regrettable that the mainstream scientific attitude towards panspermia seems to be one of immediate dismissal. You read comments like 'oh, that was published in Journal of Cosmology' with no further analysis.
It would seem rather 'cart before the horse' to expect disclosure of intelligent aliens without first funding some lichens on Mars or something similarly primitive.
Another interesting coincidence is the seeming re-appearance of explosive Wikileaks info. Real 'above the noise' stuff about the US doing heavy spying on France and Germany, including businesses. Also, info that supports Greek attitudes on debt - and the astonishing hack on US databases by China, supposedly. Hope spring eternal.
Quote from: Eighthman on July 04, 2015, 02:26:06 AM
Michael Salla recently brought up some odd coincidences in regard to stories about colonies on Mars. Congress recently worked on a Space Mining Bill - which seems bizarre. The US depends on Russian rockets for heavy lifting and we are a long way off from mining asteroids (at least, from a conventional viewpoint).
It IS Bizarre because NO ONE has jurisdiction beyond the 200 mile limit. Just like out at sea, a captain in international waters is King
Possession is required. Even if NASA did put some flags on the moon, they did not stay and occupy. You cannot claim squatters rights if your not there
No NASA depends on Russia because the Military will NOT give NASA a ride... simple as that. I am surprised that anyone on Pegasus does not know the REAL space program... DO read the Naval Space Command thread :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/05images/banners/006.png)
United Launch Alliance Vandenburg, Cape Kennedy, Kwajalien Atollhttp://www.ulalaunch.com/
(http://www.ulalaunch.com/resizer.aspx?width=960&height=390&filename=uploads/images/Rotator%20for%20External1413201585404PM63.jpg&trim=1)
QuoteWhy the hurry on setting up a legal framework for space mining?
Because of US...:D
Back in 2006 when I met John Lear I also discovered Dr Joe Resnick... a NASA contractor that holds several NASA patents and 23 top secret patents. He and two partners put a claim on all the mineral rights in the solar system... This was possible because of a loop hole in space treaty at the UN and the fact that the US NEVER signed the space treaty Neither did Russia :D
The Lunar Embassy and several others that have sold LAND on the moon and Mars made MILLIONS. And it is perfectly legal. WHY? Because NO EARTH COURT has jurisdiction in space. The FAA may have jurisdiction on Earth to prevent you launching but beyond the 200 mile limit NO ONE HAS
Mining rights on earth work like THIS... You find the minerals, and you file a claim (about $30-40.00 a year) YOU then are responsible to STAKE that claim and YOU MUST WORK that claim or lose it. The filed claim only gives you the RIGHT to go stake it first. This applies even to private property Few land owners own the mineral rights so if there is oil or gold on your land I can file a claim and YOU need to allow me access to get it. Usually mining companies cut you in, but are not obligated to do so
So HOW are WE responsible for the rush in figuring out mining issues? Because Dr Joe and us released the claim publicly, There is a thread here on that started by Ellirium... He found a public outcry against our claim the same day I was going to post the info here
Robert Bigelow came out in public speaking of mining claims as a direct response to contact from Joe (seems Joe and Robert have issues that go back to NASA :P )
The US government announce they want to encourage private enterprise getting out there...
All triggered by our release... yet we have not had major sales come in yet because we need proper marketing skills
Paulie made the promo video with some excellent Rover footage provided by NASA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2p4KM_ZWqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2p4KM_ZWqc
The website has been up since that first announcement
http://umlr.net/
QuoteSalla repeats the Corey stories about disclosure of a Mars colony in the near future - with the thought that they may be in a hurry to 'legalize' what they've done.
And land or mineral claims once filed still require OCCUPATION. You have to go there and stake a claim and build on that claim and it is YOURS.
THERE IS NO COURT ON EARTH that has ANY JURISDICTION ON MARS PERIOD!!!
Even the US NAVY on their Clementine website posted THIS in 1994 on the NAVY Clementine Mission page
Quotehttp://www.thelivingmoon.com/00temp/NRL_Disclaimer.png
Quote from: Eighthman on July 04, 2015, 06:50:15 PM
I find it regrettable that the mainstream scientific attitude towards panspermia seems to be one of immediate dismissal. You read comments like 'oh, that was published in Journal of Cosmology' with no further analysis.
This is really very simple..IF they support the idea of panspermia they would be publicly admitting that God did NOT create life on Earth
Even if they believe it themselves, they would soon be out of a job if they announced it publicly. I just now had some Jesus sellers come to the door, wanted me to come to a meeting to tell me how God is going to wipe us out and Jesus will save me...
I WISH I had a panspemia brochure ::) I could leave it on all the cars that come to the Mormon house nest door every week
Quote from: Eighthman on July 04, 2015, 02:22:53 PM
And yet, Senator McCain loudly protests about a possible 7 year delay in replacing Russia lifters.
McCain is an asshole... We have had Heavy Lifters for a very long time
I suggest reading THIS
ZORGON'S TEST (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=216.0)I promised to update that and I will do that this week if everything stays calm. read that and get back to me. And its NOT like any of this is secret anymore. When I first posted that test at ATS, none of the info was easy to find. Now it is all over the place for those who bother to look
Read that paper CAREFULLY It is only one small page :P
QuoteBuzz Aldrin publicly laments how pathetic NASA efforts have become.
Buzz Aldrin is a senior science advisor and partner in Gravwave LLC a company working on Anti Gravity with the CHINESE. He also makes a statement on the CHINESE in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QDnFsNTkRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QDnFsNTkRM
QuotePrivate re-supply to the space station blows up and Russia has to help - and a bill to mine asteroids seems timely
Has it occured to anyone that these explosions are SABOTAGE? Branson's Spaceship 2 explodes also setting Virgin Galactic back several years, and he even build a spaceport in Arizona. Now SpaceX? And a Russian one not so long ago?
Have we forgotten how to make rockets? ULA has had no explosions or losses... so what is the REAL story?
When you read that TEST paper you will see TWO items mentioned (yes I will give you 2 of the 10 "answers" :P because I already posted the answers in the space command thread :P
At the top it says Starcraft Boosters and in the paper it mentions the Aquilla Cargo Transport
If anyone here remembers :P It was the Aquilla launched to the moon three months BEFORE Apollo 11 that made Jack Arneson join Pegasus... (Jack passed away suddenly last Oct 2014 RIP Jack) The Aquilla Cargo Transport is also mentioned in a movie the "Chronicles of Riddick" as the ship that transports the miners and the ore to the mining colonies
People say they are waiting for disclosure.... yet it is all around you if you pay attention
Go read that paper again All of you :P Read it carefully for the TEN KEY POINTS
WHO IS STARCRAFT BOOSTERS?http://buzzaldrin.com/space-vision/rocket_science/starbooster/
And what about that AQUILLA mentioned in that TEST PAPER that caused Jack Arneson to join? (Read HIS story on the Aquilla launched from KWAJALIEN)
Look on that link above It is now in the open You simply need to LOOK
(http://buzzaldrin.com/images/aquila_diagram_1.jpg)
http://buzzaldrin.com/space-vision/rocket_science/aquila/
The Delta IV Heavy Lifter from Boeing mentioned in the TEST PAPER :P
Bigger than the shuttle system and they have been launching them for YEARS
(http://media-3.web.britannica.com/eb-media/89/159589-004-233CA187.jpg)
(https://gravityloss.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/deltaiv_comparison.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc_i5CJavWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc_i5CJavWw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7OE7MU5sug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7OE7MU5sug
Quote from: Eighthman on July 04, 2015, 02:22:53 PM
And yet, Senator McCain loudly protests about a possible 7 year delay in replacing Russia lifters.
That 7 year delay is for the ORION spacecraft An attempt to do the colony thing :D If there really is a Mars colony already there in secret, that would explain a lot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bFZ3PWcHmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bFZ3PWcHmc
Quote from: Pimander on July 04, 2015, 01:20:51 PM
Scientists in the UK have already detected ET life.
Oh no you don't :P
LINKS PLEASE :D
I thought that he was referring to the link I posted...and it was something discovered recently new..
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/found-alien-life-astronomers-discover-5531496
But he has posted other links that I think is from some time back as far as 2010...if you recheck :)
QuoteOh no you don't :P
LINKS PLEASE :D
I'm rather confused here in trying to sort this all out. Zorgon's Test is confusing because of the way things are phrased - it seems to bounce back and forth between what IS and what may be in the future. Likewise with Buzz Aldrin's website - is he trying to develop heavy, reusable boosters or HAS HE ALREADY developed them?
Sorry to seem dense, but if such capability exists, I don't comprehend McCain's anger towards the defense establishment. Who cares about more RD-180's (and the Atlas V that integrated them) if they have Aquilas and Delta's available? Such a situation would suggest a totally Gonzo governance that includes complete disregard of Congress as irrelevant.
More than that, I feel some skepticism about what would be a bizarre mix of technologies used in these 'BreakAway Civilization' ideas. You have kerosene/LOX boosters lifting while TR-3B stuff zips around (and encounters aliens who tell us, 'go home warmongers'). Imagine a shipping company using modern container vessels AND archaic Yankee Clippers ('hoist the mainsail').
I DO like the idea that any mining claims require occupation/active use. That might explain a lot, if I correctly understand your drift.
Quote from: Eighthman on July 05, 2015, 12:16:53 AM
I'm rather confused here in trying to sort this all out. Zorgon's Test is confusing because of the way things are phrased - it seems to bounce back and forth between what IS and what may be in the future. Likewise with Buzz Aldrin's website - is he trying to develop heavy, reusable boosters or HAS HE ALREADY developed them?
Eightman, if you read the document, it is not stated as going to happen, but rather as already happening; as for the Aquila, they have been in use since the 60's...
the tech gap between what they have and what the talk about is roughly 40 years...
QuoteSorry to seem dense, but if such capability exists, I don't comprehend McCain's anger towards the defense establishment. Who cares about more RD-180's (and the Atlas V that integrated them) if they have Aquilas and Delta's available? Such a situation would suggest a totally Gonzo governance that includes complete disregard of Congress as irrelevant.
You seem to not comprehend that military hardware sitting behind a
classified designation is off limits to everyone...
NASA is naught but a dog and pony show for the mind numbed masses; Joe Sixpack is too busy trying to survive while listening to the crap on tv and playing with their phone whilst drooling over the poop on facepoop...
QuoteMore than that, I feel some skepticism about what would be a bizarre mix of technologies used in these 'BreakAway Civilization' ideas. You have kerosene/LOX boosters lifting while TR-3B stuff zips around (and encounters aliens who tell us, 'go home warmongers'). Imagine a shipping company using modern container vessels AND archaic Yankee Clippers ('hoist the mainsail').
it's all about power and $$$$
QuoteI DO like the idea that any mining claims require occupation/active use. That might explain a lot, if I correctly understand your drift.
explains that if someone is already actively mining the moon for HE3 [which seems to be a very distinct possibility] then steps to bluster thru that it is a legal and binding situation and falls back to there being occupied mining camps already in place...
Let me put it this way; since THEY are now admitting that Area 51 was used to test and develope the U2, SR-71, and the F-117, just how much would you conjecture ThEY have had in the works out there that isn't public knowledge?
8)
seeker
I like the phrase 'after Apollo 17 we didn't go back',, hell we've always been there. Just not NASA!
I wonder why THIS is now getting public attention?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rEqHP9dOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rEqHP9dOQ
Quote from: Eighthman on July 05, 2015, 12:16:53 AM
I'm rather confused here in trying to sort this all out.
try THIS from Jack's intro
While in the Army and stationed in Thailand from Aug, 1968 to Sep. '69, I had a friend in the Air Force who was also an amateur photographer and his occupation was in radar. On a few occasions he took me to radar tracking rooms and showed me around in the non-sensitive areas. And on other occasions to the photo lab on off-duty hours and showed me some very interesting photos of UFO's taken by reconnaissance aircraft and F-4 Phantom fighters on patrol. Although they were not very good photographically speaking, one could tell they weren't conventional aircraft.
One day when we both had the same day off, he visited me at my base because we had a good beach to R & R, with an outdoor bar and open air theater. The two bases were only a couple of miles apart on the southern coast of Thailand. My base was Camp Samae San and his was Utapao Air Base.
We were talking about the photos of the UFO's and tracking them when he said: " I'm going to tell you something that's up and coming and I just might be able to get clearance for you to be in the room. He and I took a walk down the beach and he pulled out a mimeographed copy of a carbon copy of a memo. It was a planned launch in a couple of months at a Marshall Islands launch site. Nothing really interesting at first I thought, until he told me what it was for.
The memo was addressed to a Colonel with a description of a planned experiment on a launch vehicle and cargo transport for a Moon mission. No other info in it about when or what mission.
At the top in the heading it was addressed as:
Memo to some Colonel and no TS or EO designation for secret, just a bunch of abbreviated location codes in the To and From lines.
Subject: Heavy Lift Launch
The last line in the heading read:
Code Name: AQUILA
I remember this name because I pronounced it wrong. I know some "Street Spanish" (my polite term for Mexican swear words and phrases) and kept saying: ________ It looked Mexican to me.
He said: "Just remember Tequila". And then it came out "Aquila".
This really interested me because of the upcoming Apollo 11 mission and I was going to miss it! (I would still be in Thailand) No TV in Thailand at that time, only Newsreels when they showed a movie. And they were 3 months older than current events. So I knew I wouldn't see the transmissions until I rotated back to the US. I asked him if they were going to track the A11 too and he said: "We track everything"!
I couldn't get clearance to join in the tracking of the experimental launch and it really disappointed me. He did tell me the launch went as planned and was successful. The A11 launch wasn't for two more months and he thought we could figure something out by then for that one. When the time neared, he told me he tried to help with the paper work at his end but was told I have no affiliation with any of their projects, so no dice. We were both upset about it and he told me: "When the time is right, I'll show you something that will probably change your life".
That day was the last time I heard or saw of him. No info on his whereabouts when I looked for him, nobody new nothin'. I didn't have his home address or anything. Just that he was from Texas. (not his real home State) And he has or had, a common last name.
rest here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Ufo_Incident.htm
Now READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY mindfull of the date
I used to work at the Pacific Testing Range (now the Reagan Test Site) at Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands in 1968. One night we were waiting for an incoming from Vandenberg. As the reentry was at night and we were not working, we stood on top of the barracks waiting for the event. While waiting someone noticed that there were some moving lights in the sky. 'Oh, those are the AWAC planes that monitor the reentry,' someone said. Then another said. 'Well, on a similar night when we were waiting for the reentry, I noticed a strange "star" near the Eastern horizon. It seemed to twinkle in an odd fashion. Then all of a sudden, it zooms across the sky to a point almost straight above, then zoomed back to another point on the Eastern Horizon.' We all agreed that that was pretty weird as any sizable object at any significant distance would have to move at an incredible rate to do that. Another person then said: 'I used to work at the White Sands Proving Grounds. One morning while going to the camera site we saw a glowing object hovering above the desert floor at some distance. We rushed to the theodolite camera site and started it up. We tracked the object for some time and recorded it on several kinds of film. We then went back to the lab and processed the film. We noted that the object did appear on the film. Because the rules then in place for such things, we contacted the Air Force security and they came and took the film. We never saw or heard about again.'
Dr X
Some of you may recall who Dr X is... and no I never published this before
The key point? in 1968... Let this sink in
One night we were waiting for an incoming from Vandenberg. As the reentry was at night
OK, (as this gets somewhat Socratic in form) this would bring up another mystery as to why the US space effort evidently underwent a massive conversion from a reasonably transparent civilian effort via NASA into a vast secretive military mission, beyond most folks imagining. Was there a specific trigger?
I am guessing here that whatever 'TR-3' stuff the US has, it is insufficient somehow for cargo transport, as to size or weight - and thus the reliance on heavy rocket boosters.
If this stuff is mostly true, then the world must be facing a problem analogous to a gigantic rubber band in a cartoon featuring Wile E. Coyote - a hidden collection of truths stretched beyond belief, ready to snap at any instant (like a Wikileaks revelation on steroids).
I thought Salla/Wilcock were just building castles in the air and you guys come up with 'bricks n' mortar'.
Quote from: Eighthman on July 05, 2015, 12:40:21 PM
OK, (as this gets somewhat Socratic in form) this would bring up another mystery as to why the US space effort evidently underwent a massive conversion from a reasonably transparent civilian effort via NASA into a vast secretive military mission, beyond most folks imagining. Was there a specific trigger?
perhaps...
Also NASA Dryden Research Center in Palmdale (next to Edwards AFB) recently changed names to Armstrong Center... and has currently stopped all public tours to the center. LSWONE no longer works there so we have no onside poop anymore on that place
The "Secret Space Plane" that John and I talked about years ago ay ATS (before some amateur satellite tracker spotted it forcing them to make a statement) flies out of Vandenburg.
Is there more than one? Most likely but we don't know. What does it do on those long missions? Where does it go? We know when they launch, but not what it does and it can change orbit.
It is obviously NOT being used to resupply the ISS in a time of need... NASA still has to beg the Russians to do that
QuoteI am guessing here that whatever 'TR-3' stuff the US has, it is insufficient somehow for cargo transport, as to size or weight - and thus the reliance on heavy rocket boosters.
Which begs the question WHAT is so heavy that they need to make so many launches? Surely a few months of food and water is not all that is going up. :D
QuoteIf this stuff is mostly true, then the world must be facing a problem analogous to a gigantic rubber band in a cartoon featuring Wile E. Coyote - a hidden collection of truths stretched beyond belief, ready to snap at any instant (like a Wikileaks revelation on steroids).
This has been our contention all along... since 1954 when the Secret Astronaut Corp formed BEFORE NASA was created Don't forget that Werner von Braun was working on an ARMY Moon Base and Walt Disney was part of the coverup
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Disney/GPN-2000-000060.jpg)
The words of Ben Rich ring true: "it would take an act of God" to release these advanced Alien-related technologies to the world - and the world does not realize that this situation is the cause of the mess the earth is in. Whether it is hopeless debt, warmongering everywhere, fracking, terrorism, - you name it - we suffer from the tensions derived from our 'arrested development' as a technological civilization.
The above is why I obsess over recent events (and follow alternative/Russian news), looking for developments that can neutralize US hegemony and force Disclosure. Churchill once observed that the US will always do the right thing, after they have tried everything else. I think the change may come if the Elite simply lose all confidence. This is partly how Communism fell - because of a widespread loss of faith among its leadership, followed by economic disaster. If the polls are true, Americans confidence in their institutions are at historic lows but whistleblowing and Wikileaks would be the critical trigger...............
Quote from: zorgon on July 04, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
Oh no you don't :P
LINKS PLEASE :D
See above. :P
It also surprises me how frequently I hear AMERICANS who think they need the Russians for heavy lift capacity. ::)
Quote from: Eighthman on July 05, 2015, 12:40:21 PM
OK, (as this gets somewhat Socratic in form) this would bring up another mystery as to why the US space effort evidently underwent a massive conversion from a reasonably transparent civilian effort via NASA into a vast secretive military mission, beyond most folks imagining. Was there a specific trigger?
what makes you sure it was ever transparent? The military programs have always been separate from and preceded first NACA and then NASA; again, a public display to draw attention away from the rest of the events, a curtain to help conceal the majority, akin to a stage magician's sleight of hand...
QuoteI thought Salla/Wilcock were just building castles in the air and you guys come up with 'bricks n' mortar'.
Most people are trained from birth to stay inside the lines and never think outside the box of programmed info being stuffed inside their noggins; fortunately, there has always been a percentage unwilling to accept many things at face value as displayed before them, curious enough to actually look to see if the emperor is actually naked or wearing clothes...
Zorgon and John Lear entered into my sphere of awareness quite a few years ago and spurred me to look ever deeper into the shaded realms and innumerable rabbit holes of available info just waiting to be examined...
You want disclosure? Watch "the day the earth stood still" and read Ingo Swann's [RIP] "Penetration"...
That is as close as you will get... 8)
seeker
Disclosure?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBOY5jrOGwA