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Today I was looking for interesting news and came across this gem:

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In October of 1949, a few months after the release of George Orwell's dystopian masterpiece, Nineteen Eighty-Four, he received a fascinating letter from fellow author Aldous Huxley — a man who, 17 years previous, had seen his own nightmarish vision of society published, in the form of Brave New World. What begins as a letter of praise soon becomes a brief comparison of the two novels, and an explanation as to why Huxley believes his own, earlier work to be a more realistic prediction.

I'm a big fan of these two authors, as well as of their most famous works which in my judgment were:

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QuoteTrivia: In 1917, long before he wrote this letter, Aldous Huxley briefly taught Orwell French at Eton.

In the future, I'm right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984 novel sheds light on their different ideas

They were both critically acclaimed writers who were ahead of their time, creating imaginative visions of the future in their novels.

But an enlightening letter sent by Aldous Huxley to his fellow author George Orwell more than 60 years ago reveals that the two men had very different ideas of how the world would change.

Huxley's 1949 letter - the latest addition to a website that collects fascinating missives from the past - praises Orwell for the novel 1984, which offers a terrifying portrayal of a future totalitarian society....

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111440/Aldous-Huxley-letter-George-Orwell-1984-sheds-light-different-ideas.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111440/Aldous-Huxley-letter-George-Orwell-1984-sheds-light-different-ideas.html)

Here is the Full letter:

QuoteWrightwood. Cal.
21 October, 1949

Dear Mr. Orwell,

It was very kind of you to tell your publishers to send me a copy of your book. It arrived as I was in the midst of a piece of work that required much reading and consulting of references; and since poor sight makes it necessary for me to ration my reading, I had to wait a long time before being able to embark on Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Agreeing with all that the critics have written of it, I need not tell you, yet once more, how fine and how profoundly important the book is. May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals — the ultimate revolution? The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual's psychology and physiology — are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf. The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it. Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful. My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World. I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesmer, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.

Partly because of the prevailing materialism and partly because of prevailing respectability, nineteenth-century philosophers and men of science were not willing to investigate the odder facts of psychology for practical men, such as politicians, soldiers and policemen, to apply in the field of government. Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations. Another lucky accident was Freud's inability to hypnotize successfully and his consequent disparagement of hypnotism. This delayed the general application of hypnotism to psychiatry for at least forty years. But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency. Meanwhile, of course, there may be a large scale biological and atomic war — in which case we shall have nightmares of other and scarcely imaginable kinds.

Thank you once again for the book.

Yours sincerely,

Aldous Huxley

I have no doubt  that we live in society that is ruled by an Inner-party that uses both machine guns and hypno-screens to keep power.

" Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations." – This is something I find fascinating.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111440/Aldous-Huxley-letter-George-Orwell-1984-sheds-light-different-ideas.htm (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111440/Aldous-Huxley-letter-George-Orwell-1984-sheds-light-different-ideas.htm)
Source2: http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/1984-v-brave-new-world.html (http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/1984-v-brave-new-world.html)

Enjoy.

8)

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons

:o

Fantastic.

It's eerie reading 1984 today.  You look around You and there it is.

I think 1984 was a blueprint.  Brave New World was more off the mark, but there are a few things Huxley got close on - genetic manipulation, for one.

Thanks for bringing up two of My favorite and most read science "fiction" books.

And yet we continue to ignore the warnings, we keep on telling ourselves, -"Its going to be all right" when clearly it will get worse before it gets better.

Its all a matter of energy input vs waste, as Huxley says, its more efficient to coerce with thought than with violence, unfortunately, our numbers must be thinned out before the "less aggressive"  methods are put into place.

Right now we are becoming too unmanageable to be herded "efficiently" , lots of resources go to waste trying to control the uncontrollable, so, those unimaginable nightmares will first come to be, we will realize that it is all a theater, once the props are gone and the curtain hits the cast, we will realize that we had been staring at a brick wall all along, a game of light and shadows and nothing more.

Get ready friends, we had been warned for a long long time!

But there is hope, and they will never win, our destinies are at the hands of incomprehensible galactic forces, our existences nothing but mere instants in the galactic time.
Everything will come and go, its the trip no the destination that counts, so make every second worthy of living!
cheers!

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 08, 2012, 05:36:01 PM
It's eerie reading 1984 today.  You look around You and there it is.

I think 1984 was a blueprint.  Brave New World was more off the mark, but there are a few things Huxley got close on - genetic manipulation, for one.

Thanks for bringing up two of My favorite and most read science "fiction" books.

Some people say Orwell belonged to the fabian society  :o

 ::)

this might be a little off topic here
but
does anyone ever wonder that the reading of these books changes the future to more or less follow them
by thousands and more adding this info to their consciousness does it make it happen?
has it made some of it happen?



goes with the question of does the researcher change the research by merely observation
....i have answered yes to that one

then go a step further and comprehend how all the war games on video are affecting folks
a dream within a dream or a reversal of the dream being more real and spreading
to those not participating in the video's

just my wondering for today
:-\

Russo,

Good topic!

I have read both books many times (bookworm yes) and each time
I see more clearly what these men were conveying.

In 1984, people were controlled by inflicting pain - The Ministry of Peace
In A Brave New World people were controlled by inflicting pleasure - Soma - Dreamworld...

Orwell thought that what we hated would ruin us...
Huxley thought what we love would ruin us...

So I find that very interesting, and it strikes me that we must
maintain as much balance as we can to stay strong.

Quote from: sky otter on March 09, 2012, 04:35:55 PM
::)

this might be a little off topic here
but
does anyone ever wonder that the reading of these books changes the future to more or less follow them
by thousands and more adding this info to their consciousness does it make it happen?
has it made some of it happen?
goes with the question of does the researcher change the research by merely observation
....i have answered yes to that one

I´ll add to your comments my friend, based on the little research I have done, on the Noosphere and the Ontological realm, I have gathered a few conclusions of my own.

There is a war, there has always been a WAR, two sides stand on the battleground, the goal of each side is to make the other the same. Both sides use similar strategies, every weapon imaginable has been used, both sides have been infiltrated, and sometimes they act in opposites, meaning that even for them its difficult sometimes to discern between ally or enemy.

But what are they fighting for? they fight for our energy, for our lives and our potentials.
Huxley and Orwell could well be enemies, allies or both, at the same time. Both fighting for their side getting to the same place through different means, the concepts have been placed on the table, but as they say, guns do not kill, people do, ideals only mean something to the ones that have internalized the concept and them give it meaning, and then, DO something about it.

One could argue that both scenarios in their narratives are in the process of being installed in our consciousness, but what has been done to prevent it?
We know we don't want that to happen, and yet everyday we give up  more and more of our so called "rights" in the name of safety, peace and/or freedom, but what do those words mean?

If we are unable to heed the warnings, if we need to be burnt before believing in the power of fire, then all experience and all farsight anyone could have had means nothing, and I believe those are the main points in those books, both have "happy" endings, death, and submission to end the pains of being responsible of our actions and our inabilities to cope or act according to the growing pressures, we know what "they" are up to, when we read those last paragraphs the world lights up, and the truth is revealed, we are helpless, lost or in a perpetual state of ignorant bliss.


The last paragraph in 1984.

QuoteHe gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

The last paragraph in Brave New World

QuoteThat evening the swarm of helicopters that came buzzing across the Hog's Back was a dark cloud ten kilometres long. The description of last night's orgy of atonement had been in all the papers.
"Savage!" called the first arrivals, as they alighted from their machine. "Mr. Savage!"
There was no answer.
The door of the lighthouse was ajar. They pushed it open and walked into a shuttered twilight. Through an archway on the further side of the room they could see the bottom of the staircase that led up to the higher floors. Just under the crown of the arch dangled a pair of feet.
"Mr. Savage!"
Slowly, very slowly, like two unhurried compass needles, the feet turned towards the right; north, north-east, east, south-east, south, south-south-west; then paused, and, after a few seconds, turned as unhurriedly back towards the left. South-south-west, south, south-east, east. ...

We have been warned and shown the way, and we have liked it so far, Its not what one knows, but what one does with the things WE know.
so who were those two soldiers fighting for? whose side are we on?

I have found out that it is a game of balance, but more importantly a game of CHOICE, personal CHOICE, the system is just what we make of it, and we know were that road will take us, these man walked before us, and lighted torches from the depths to light the way, to free and to bound.

cheers!

 ::)
Its not what one knows, but what one does with the things WE know.


I do agree with this
and I want to go a bit further on this one point..

years ago when I realized that my reality was altered by what I ingested via media..books, movies, internet, etc
I stepped back and did a little sorting of what I really knew  vs. what I had ingested..
I was not happy with the results..
the what I really knew column was much shorter than the other..pissed me off a bit
I made the decision to back off the stuff that was out there and do more investigating
via mental and psychic techniques on my own
also realizing that what I found would be tainted with what I thought I already knew
phew ! ..it's a muddy road

but in deciding this and pursuing it I have some different takes on topics brought up here.
.and I am tickled when I see how reading and watching certain things gives folks here and on other forums some common conversational means
yeah i was into the twilight zone, star treak, star wars etc before turning it all off

so having waded thur my preface
I need to say that sometimes it isn't so much what we really do with it
as it is
what we think it is in the first place..because if you haven't come to the information via your own methods
you have been led to a conclusion by someone (?)  else and thur this conclusion also led to believe
what you should do

so really what we do with what we know has been programmed also

sucks, huh?



dang edit for speelin again..geeeeesh >:(

There is the experience we have... and there is the reason for the experience we have. (Total Experience)

So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

I mean what is the real function for this "Program" we call Earth?


Is it really about human development?

Or is it something quite different, not even discussed by the human species?

And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

Matrix
while i appreciate your question
i would even more appreciate what you thik the answer to it is
and further
the answer to this one

So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

:)

Quote from: RUSSO on March 09, 2012, 01:57:13 PM
Some people say Orwell belonged to the fabian society  :o

I had heard that, yes...  I think He was one of "Them."

Quote from: sky otter on March 09, 2012, 04:35:55 PM
does anyone ever wonder that the reading of these books changes the future to more or less follow them
by thousands and more adding this info to their consciousness does it make it happen?
has it made some of it happen?

As many first took these to be cautionary tales - and indeed, many still do, I don't think that the mental ingestation makes it happen, no.  But I do believe that they were written to give the Ones in the shadows a set of cohesive methods to accomplish Their goals...

Though We saw caution, We foolishly believed We would easily avoid it for the caution.  And thus have been blinded to the vary thing We thought We could avoid.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 09, 2012, 09:21:47 PM
There is the experience we have... and there is the reason for the experience we have. (Total Experience)

So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

I mean what is the real function for this "Program" we call Earth?


Is it really about human development?

Or is it something quite different, not even discussed by the human species?

And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

Well, now - and this is merely My humble opinion - We are here as experiencing units of the Whole, of Consciousness as God, to co-create the Now and experience everything.  That is Our purpose.  And I believe that overall, Consciousness seeks at minimum comfort and ideally, bliss.  As one Conscious unit, I therefore fight so hard to bring awareness of My experience to the enhancement of chances for ALL to have the opportunity to follow Their bliss.

In a sense, I see Myself doing "God's" work.  [smile]

 :)

In a sense, I see Myself doing "God's" work  [smile].

Amaterasu

i believe  you get what you think about (and that's why i quoted you)
and
that is what i was saying about tons of folks reading and ingesting  those books.
.as well as others stuff....
group mind at it's most basic

as far as doing god's work..i have two things to say

first i am sure god is no more intimately aware of me than i am of him
(mho..of course and can be taken a number of ways.. ;D)
and
second
god is not a boy's name (sorry..still working to let go of the women's lib stuff.)  ;)

i don't plan on getting into a belief war of words but just wanted to add that about myself

now back to my little soap box

there are so many who take pieces of the written word as their's and just build on it
until there is no more ogirinal thought process going on..
just a collection and callaboration of things seen, heard and read
and then a verbalising of that ...sort of  agree/disagree and then
on to the next tidbit that interests them
guess i am starting to repeat myself  so it's time to step away

8)

Perhaps this may be off topic to some, but I don't believe it to be so.

To understand the Topic....

"Preview - Re: In the future, I'm right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984"

We need to understand more about this World.

As I have been asked to explain myself.........

Hope this makes sense to those reading this as I have tried to condense it down
into as few words as possible.

But before anyone challenges me on this please understand Fully what I have written.
If you are uncertain please ask questions to have it clarified first.

We only desire (Seek) what we don't have.

And in some cases, what the flesh can't have.

If we have it, then we neither desire it, or search for it.


Re this Program. (The human species and The Earth)

This Program is much different than any other World, and involves the Soul and NOT
the Human species.

If referring to the Judeo Christian God, then according to these Writings, (Not only the writings
in the Roman Collection of Greek and Hebrew writings) but also others Not accepted
by the Early Roman Church, which the Carpenter made No reference to at all,
or the Roman Bible, even though it is Reported He, "The LIGHT" or "The LIFE of God",
knew All things;  There was a Carpenter whom "The Son of God" was reported to have said,
through (the Carpenter) (re. The Gospel According to John Verses 1 to 13)
that "The LIFE of God" is "The LIGHT of MEN (MAN)".

The LIGHT which Lighteth ever MAN (and WO-MAN)
who cometh into the World is NOT of human form, but is instead
"The LIGHT" i.e. The LIFE, i.e. that which is "The Living One"
(Not the flesh or human Species).

So when it was reported that "The LIFE of God", said through the "Carpenter" Quote;

Quote"I Am The Way, The Truth and The LIFE"

and in another verse reported to say Quote;

Quote"I Am The Way,The Truth and The LIGHT".

He was referring to The LIFE of God and NOT the Carpenter.

The Son of God is The LIFE or "The LIFE of God"
"The Bright and Early Morning Star" re. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ"
Chapter 22 verse 16 and NOT the Flesh.

Another example of distinguishing between "The Son of God" and the "Carpenter"
is found in what "The LIFE of God" said through "The Carpenter" Quote;

Quote"Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

"The Temple" is The Carpenter" and the word "I" refers to "The Son of God"
or "The LIFE of God", which is the Only One, being "The LIFE of God"
gives the Gift of LIFE, Not that Breath of Air, given to A' DAM
but instead the LIGHT of The Soul.

"The Son of God" was also reported to say, Quote;

Quote"He who has found the World
has only found a Corpse,
And He who has found a Corpse,
is superior to the World."

It is NOT "The Flesh", which is "The Living One", but Instead
The LIGHT of The Soul, is "The Living One", Hence "The Place of LIFE",
Yesu spoke of.


So this world is Not about the Dead (Human Species),
but instead about "The Possession of our Souls".

The Word Our refers to "The LIFE" (Spirit) and NOT the Human Flesh.

Whats that text again?

"All (Flesh) have Sinned, and come short of the Glory of God".

Forgiveness refers to the Soul for it is Innocent but the Flesh is Condemned to Death.

i.e The wages of SIN, the reward is Death...

The Word SIN comes from the Word SHIN in other words Lacking the "H".
But First.... too understand, you require to know The "SHIN".

The "H" in the Ancient ZION Language (NOT Hebrew), is the "Instruction"
used to Access the Libraries of "The Running Program" which in other words
involves your Experience in/on Earth. This allows the correct Choices to be made,
rather than guessing.

It is reported that The LIFE of God said, through The Carpenter, Quote;

Quote"In your Patience Posses Ye Your Souls."

The word Ye refers to "The LIFE of God", MAN has received,
as a Gift and NOT the "Breath" that A' DAM received.

The Word "MAN" refers to The Soul and NOT A' DAM, the Flesh.

Hence "The Son of MAN". ( 2 entities here, "The Son of God"
and "The Son of Man".)

It is "The Son of MAN" who Returns and NOT "The Son of God",
for if "The Son of God" had Left, then Nothing at all would exist.

Re. "The Acts of The Apostles", Chapter 17 verses 23 onward.

It is The Scribes and Pharisees who corrupted the writings,
as Jesus himself was reported to have said,
Quote;

Quote"The Pharisees and Scribes
have taken the Keys of Knowledge
and Hidden them.

They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter
those who wish to.

You, however,
be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves."

So here is what this World is really about.

It is solely about "The Metamorphosis of The Soul".

i.e. "The birth of The MAN Child" in the Center of every Soul.

Re. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ Chapter 12".

I will Post Two 100% Accurate Drawings of The Souls "Partition Maps".

a.    "The Soul"
and
b.     "The Man Child" or "The Son of MAN", in the Center of The Soul.

One can find Historical evidence of this, displayed in many Early Churches Monasteries etc.
retained in Mosaic Murals in these buildings Pavements or floors.


But anyway this "Program" or world (Earth) is a program lasting about 7,000 years
in human terms, which invokes this change i.e "The Birth of The Man Child"
Construct, in the Soul. Also referred to as "The Metamorphosis of The Soul".

There is No benefit whatsoever for "The Flesh", known as The Beast (Beast of the Field)

The Flesh being the Descendants of A' DAM & EVE.

It is the Flesh which Buys and Sells.

Whereas the Soul Can't Buy and Sell.

Re. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" Chapter 13.

This is why it is written Quote;

Quote"The Flesh Wars against The Soul."

"The Beast" refers to the Flesh or Descendants of A' DAM.

The Mark or Number which was put in Cains forehead, and now today, every descendant
of A' DAM and EVE, has this Number (666) Now as the Vine is Full and ready
to be gathered in.

The Number (666) is the Algorithm producing "Double Logic",
in the human genome Structure.

This is why the "Species", Buys and Sells, because their trust is in $$$$
instead of LIFE.

So the "Species" causes both great and Small, rich and poor to receive this mark,
a testifying of their Lack of Trust in The LIFE and have placed their Trust
in $$$$.

Re. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" Chapter 13.

This is according to the Parables referred to as the bible and other writings.


Please Note; If I were to explain it in today's terms I would give the same message
but using "different Words".

I would show the same story, but in a technical fashion, rather than referring to
religious material, recorded as "Parables" in Ancient writings, regarding the history,
of "The Soul" and also the Flesh of A' DAM & EVE.

Quote from: sky otter on March 10, 2012, 03:09:07 AM
:)

In a sense, I see Myself doing "God's" work  [smile].

Amaterasu

i believe  you get what you think about (and that's why i quoted you)
and
that is what i was saying about tons of folks reading and ingesting  those books.
.as well as others stuff....
group mind at it's most basic

I see where You are coming from, but what matters is not only WHAT We think about, but HOW We think about it.  For example...  If I were to think about the total devastation of the planet - with no attachment to the thought - I doubt I would create the total devastation of the planet.  If I think of that same thing and revile it, putting energy into negating it, and seeing it as impossible, I stand a better chance of creating something that is not the devastation of the planet.

So, though these works are read, what matters is the reactions they incur, more so than the words themselves.

Quoteas far as doing god's work..i have two things to say

first i am sure god is no more intimately aware of me than i am of him
(mho..of course and can be taken a number of ways.. ;D)

I cannot place "God" outside Myself.  Once done, "God" is just another Being.  Like a technologically advance ET Being.  But, of course, this is My humble opinion.

Quoteand
second
god is not a boy's name (sorry..still working to let go of the women's lib stuff.)  ;)

I agree.  Again, in My humble opinion, "God" is all things in active creation.

Quotei don't plan on getting into a belief war of words but just wanted to add that about myself

No war coming from Me.  [smile]  I have no issue with any path another Being takes to Their own understanding, as long as Their behavior does not break the three Laws.

Quotenow back to my little soap box

there are so many who take pieces of the written word as their's and just build on it
until there is no more ogirinal thought process going on..
just a collection and callaboration of things seen, heard and read
and then a verbalising of that ...sort of  agree/disagree and then
on to the next tidbit that interests them
guess i am starting to repeat myself  so it's time to step away

8)

Each of Us has Our own personal relationship with these things, and that is where the creativity lies.  Though it may seem, as a dispassionate observer, to be unoriginal, that creative relationship will always be unique.

My thoughts.  [smile]

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 10, 2012, 09:05:30 AMPlease Note; If I were to explain it in today's terms I would give the same message
but using "different Words".

I would show the same story, but in a technical fashion, rather than referring to
religious material, recorded as "Parables" in Ancient writings, regarding the history,
of "The Soul" and also the Flesh of A' DAM & EVE.

I would be most interested in Your story in today's terms.  [smile]

I do have issues with writings from a singular branch of religious belief - but I will own those issues.  But perhaps You can clarify with Your version...

Hi Amaterasu

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on Today at 02:05:30 AM

QuotePlease Note; If I were to explain it in today's terms I would give the same message
    but using "different Words".

    I would show the same story, but in a technical fashion, rather than referring to
    religious material, recorded as "Parables" in Ancient writings, regarding the history,
    of "The Soul" and also the Flesh of A' DAM & EVE.

QuoteI would be most interested in Your story in today's terms.  [smile]

I do have issues with writings from a singular branch of religious belief - but I will own those issues.  But perhaps You can clarify with Your version.

I will be only too happy to reveal what I have witnessed which has nothing at all
to do with human religions.

It is the Human Species who has made their religions out of Knowledge.

As you yourself believes in human terms ALL is God.

This "Statement" is Correct in Human terms.

But putting Human Beliefs aside I can explain what is actually taking Place in this Program,
referring to the Human Species and The Earth.

The only reason I can do this, is Because I know what my real Self is, where I reside,
the Program I am experiencing at Present, All its Processing Components, The language
the human Species refers to as "The WORD" (in religious material), The Lost,
or more Correctly worded, the Hidden Language called ZION, which is the Souls
"Processing Systems" Language.

To gain further Understanding of what I am referring to read my forum if you haven't already,
Titled "Processing System" (4 Articles) in their order, shown from 001 onwards.

It starts from experiencing Death, NOT a NDE but the full deal, where I was declared
"Brain dead" for a period lasting more than 30 minutes. This occurred in August 1973.

It contains NO religion whatsoever, but does explain where our (The LIFE
or "Awareness") came into existence Before any worlds existed except the World
of Existence in the form of "Awareness" and Conceptual interaction,
within the Mind (NOT the Brain) i.e. "Awareness" in a Non Dimensional State
called LIFE. (No Flesh Involved)

The same knowledge I have to admit though, can be fond in Most or All religions,
although the writings have been Corrupted as a certain Carpenter was reported to have said.

But today the churches of the "Flesh", Conveniently Omit these writings, as they Complete,
to a certain point, the Truth which All Flesh rejects.

Hence it is Written The Flesh Wars against the Soul, which is Normal and also a part
of the Program ("Story") involving "The Metamorphosis of the Soul".

What I do know, which is a very long story, involves Knowledge
and NOT "Belief" through the human Species.

I do NOT belong to, or follow any Religious Group, but I do understand
those who do, which must remain their own personal experiences,
and NOT interfered with, as it is part of their Individual "Story" (Program)
via The WORD. (Communication of LIFE).

Those "Partitions" (Portions) of LIFE are only frightened of the world,
and seek for salvation, because they Sleep at present, which is also Perfectly Normal.

This is Part of the "Awakening" which leads onto "The Metamorphosis of The Soul".

I have Attached a Drawing which is 100% Accurate, involving NO Guess work,
Showing The Central "Partition Map" (referred to as either "The Son of MAN"
or "The MAN Child" in religious material) IN the Soul Construct on returning
to The Soul.

There is Nothing at all religious about the knowledge of the Soul. It is just knowledge
and requires NO belief what so ever or festivals or ceremonies etc.

This "Partition Map" is used in The Souls Processing System which Manifests the "Holograph",
referred to as this "Universe" (Just One of innumerable Universes and Worlds,
unlike any Universe) and "Species" within the Construct rather than "Outside"
as most on earth would have you believe.

This "Processing System" is in an Origin, which is "Non Dimensional" and is Constructed
from Concepts.

The Components of this "Processing System", are often recorded in Government Buildings,
Palaces, Public Buildings, Monasteries, Cathedrals, churches, Mosques, Buddhist temples,
Hindu temples, in the form of either "Mosaic Murals", pavement pattern work, in Ceilings Walls
and Windows. (some refer to as "Sacred Geometry" in Ignorance of their interpretations)

What we believe to be Reality isn't at all, but is only a "Complex Interactive Holographic
Story" (Highly Sophisticated and Technically perfect) which has a known "Function"
or Purpose, involving "The Metamorphosis of the Soul" i.e it is Part of the Evolution
of The Soul.

 :)

Matrix..you have made me laugh with this
Hope this makes sense to those reading this as I have tried to condense it down
into as few words as possible.
if this is as few words as possible we need a few hours and some beer. ;D


and please do not consider this a challenges..it is not
sooo let's see if i got it..
short version
the answer to this question is NO..or very few
And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

but i'm not sure if i have filtered out the answer to this one
So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

after  saying
I will be only too happy to reveal what I have witnessed which has nothing at all
to do with human religions.

you refer to bible quotes and inferences
in my opinion the bible and history as we know it (written)are both set ups to keep us going in circles..
and religions are only political constructs with their own agendas..imho :)
so for me that was no help
i do understand what you are saying here but i don't feel it actually answers the question
This "Partition Map" is used in The Souls Processing System which Manifests the "Holograph",
referred to as this "Universe" (Just One of innumerable Universes and Worlds,
unlike any Universe) and "Species" within the Construct rather than "Outside"
as most on earth would have you believe.



i also do understand the difference of mind and brain and of "soul" and flesh
i also know how to be in this world and not of it..
but i don't know what your answer is to that particular question of what is our
REAL purpose..at least not from all of those explanatory terms you have shared

perhaps i should have just stopped at this
It is solely about "The Metamorphosis of The Soul".
this i do understand  so what stage do you think we are in?
maybe  today i can't see the forrest for the trees . ::)

but i guess i would have to agree with Amaterasu here and
I would be most interested in Your story in today's terms.  [smile]


you also mention
To gain further Understanding of what I am referring to read my forum if you haven't already,
Titled "Processing System" (4 Articles) in their order, shown from 001 onwards.
will read asap


i was not at ats at all so i'm at the starting line here..
..and ...
i thank you for taking the time to put all that down..i do appreciate your doing it

8)

As many first took these to be cautionary tales - and indeed, many still do, I don't think that the mental ingestation makes it happen, no.  But I do believe that they were written to give the Ones in the shadows a set of cohesive methods to accomplish Their goals...

Though We saw caution, We foolishly believed We would easily avoid it for the caution.  And thus have been blinded to the vary thing We thought We could avoid.


I don't think that the mental ingestation makes it happen, no.   


Amaterasu
no i don't think so either
and i don't thinks most felt they could avoid it with caution

i think it creates worry and  fear in a lot of folks and fear is a strong emotion
i feel that emotion is the trigger to making things  happen

 

QuoteMatrix..you have made me laugh with this
Hope this makes sense to those reading this as I have tried to condense it down
into as few words as possible.
if this is as few words as possible we need a few hours and some beer.

Now there's a good Idea...

Quoteand please do not consider this a challenges..it is not
sooo let's see if i got it..
short version
the answer to this question is NO..or very few
And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

Good I see No Challenge...

Quotebut i'm not sure if i have filtered out the answer to this one
So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

The Primary purpose with regard to LIFE ("Awareness") is to enjoy and discover more about itself.

This Program (Earth and the individual human Species experiencing this Program "Story")
is to Invoke "The Metamorphose of the Soul and No other Reason".

Quoteafter  saying
I will be only too happy to reveal what I have witnessed which has nothing at all
to do with human religions.

you refer to bible quotes and inferences in my opinion the bible and history as we know it
(written)are both set ups to keep us going in circles..
and religions are only political constructs with their own agendas..imho
so for me that was no help.

Sorry if you misunderstood where I was coming from.

I was only showing that this knowledge, has been corrupted, in order to try and Hide the Truth.
Of Course this is in vain and only drew the parallel to these writings to indicate this knowledge
was once known world wide before the church of Rome got their hands on it, and used it
for their own Political reasons.

As you quite rightly have said, so I do agree with you to a certain point, but in saying this,
there is also a purpose for these religions, in the overall scheme of things, responsible
for invoking the Metamorphosis.
(this involves the Whole "Story" regarding this Experience.)

Quotei do understand what you are saying here but i don't feel it actually answers the question
This "Partition Map" is used in The Souls Processing System which Manifests the "Holograph",
referred to as this "Universe" (Just One of innumerable Universes and Worlds,
unlike any Universe) and "Species" within the Construct rather than "Outside"
as most on earth would have you believe.

Sorry you have lost me on this one...

Please explain what you are getting at...

Quotei also do understand the difference of mind and brain and of "soul" and flesh
i also know how to be in this world and not of it..

but i don't know what your answer is to that particular question of what is our
REAL purpose..at least not from all of those explanatory terms you have shared

perhaps i should have just stopped at this
It is solely about "The Metamorphosis of The Soul".
this i do understand  so what stage do you think we are in?

The Stage any are at, is an individual Phenomena and NOT Collective as many may believe.

Each "Partition" of LIFE embrace the changes at different times.

ALL "Partitions" of LIFE, pass through this Program in the Evolution of the Soul.

This is also a common misunderstanding in "Roman Doctrine", where the Changes
that take Place in the Soul, is Confused with the History of events on Earth
both future and Past.

The Changes taking Place on Earth, are to do with a Change in the Earth's "Thermal Cycle",
where the Seas relocate under the Earth's Crust.

A common feature of many Planetary bodies.

The Seas change at the change over in the "Thermal Cycle", relocating back and forth,
from being above the planets crust, to the underside of the Crust.

This is starting to show more obviously near to Japan, involving the Japan Trench
and the Kuril Trench due to Expansion of the Earth and Activity between the Plates.

Quotemaybe  today i can't see the forrest for the trees .

Quite a normal phenomena for most of us.

Quote]but i guess i would have to agree with Amaterasu here and
I would be most interested in Your story in today's terms.  [smile]

I wrote what I did, to suit both camps....  ;D

Quoteyou also mention
To gain further Understanding of what I am referring to read my forum if you haven't already,
Titled "Processing System" (4 Articles) in their order, shown from 001 onwards.

i looked in your section below and if it's there i apologize for missing it..
but could you give me the direction to it please..

Sorry.... you have to look at the forest and not a single tree...

I was referring to the descriptions regarding the "Processing System" of the Soul.

The "Processing System" I have been describing as well as "Video Interfaces"
with the Other end of the Mind, is used by other Civilizations other than on Earth.

I have been describing both the "Processing System" and a "Transport Interface" (Craft)
as a "demonstration" of a practical use, regarding this knowledge involving
the "Processing System" of the Soul, HOW this little Universe is produced
as well as its "Control Systems" accessed by either ends of the Mind ("Awareness" or LIFE)

Quotei was not at ats at all so i'm at the starting line here..

You haven't missed much then...  ;D
I got pushed out of ATS and All my drawings were removed, well most of them!

This happened when they were supposedly Hacked!

So will leave it up to your Imagination what happened.

Quote..and ...

i thank you for taking the time to put all that down..i do appreciate your doing it

You are most welcome, so if you have other Questions, I will be only too happy to Answer them
IF I can.

But may I suggest reading the Posts under each of the 4 titles a number of times.

The First, Article 0001 in my Forum "Processing System" is describing a "Death Experience",
(Not a NDE) I had in August 1973, where I was pronounced Brain Dead
for more than 30 minutes.

Titles 001 to 003 should be read in their correct order, as it involves an ongoing Story.

The Forums are about the Holographic Universe, HOW "Awareness"
or LIFE came into being, and HOW a "Processing System" was produced
in order to produce complex experiences such as this little Universe.

Regarding this forum
Re: "In the future, I'm right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984"

All is written, a bit Like "Video Game Software", having boundaries, governing
our options in that we only have a given number of options, at any one instance.
The Number of options available, varies depending on each individuals program,
and varies from one moment to the next.

Everything is interactive, so whatever we read see or hear affects our experience.

So yes we need that beer together, or perhaps a few Jim Beams?   8) :)

Now I need that beer...

Quote from: sky otter on March 11, 2012, 03:57:54 AM
you refer to bible quotes and inferences
in my opinion the bible and history as we know it (written)are both set ups to keep us going in circles..
and religions are only political constructs with their own agendas..imho :)

Ah but Bible quotes can be useful...

Jesus said...
"The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.' Luke 8:10

There are many hidden truths in old books

One does not have to follow religion... which is merely man's interpretation of past events... to see the value that is hidden there.  The simple fact that the same God is worshiped by three major religions, Judaism, Islam and Christianity is proof of what I say. All three of those differ only in the interpretation of the words, yet do not deny they follow the same God. It is then further complicated by the fact that within these three main groups, there are a myriad of factions... all offshoots created by men who couldn't agree on an interpretation.. and for 2000 plus years thy have been at each others throats...

But one can look beyond religion and see the message :D

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 10, 2012, 01:19:56 PM
I see where You are coming from, but what matters is not only WHAT We think about, but HOW We think about it.  For example...  If I were to think about the total devastation of the planet - with no attachment to the thought - I doubt I would create the total devastation of the planet.  If I think of that same thing and revile it, putting energy into negating it, and seeing it as impossible, I stand a better chance of creating something that is not the devastation of the planet.

The force cares not whether it be good or evil.. You cannot destroy a planet because you don't want to. It is simply mind over matter... and a belief that you CAN do it... but we always have doubt, because no matter how much one is told we are so conditioned to NOT believe, that we always have that doubt. 

"For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. " Jesus of Nazareth Mark 4:11

Now modern preachers will tell you that is just an analogy meaning you should have faith...

No he meant it LITERALLY, because here is another quote from Mathew

Matthew 21:
18
     When he was going back to the city in the morning, he was hungry.
19
    Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went over to it, but found nothing on it except leaves. And he said to it, "May no fruit ever come from you again." And immediately the fig tree withered.
20
    When the disciples saw this, they were amazed and said, "How was it that the fig tree withered immediately?"
21
    17 Jesus said to them in reply, "Amen, I say to you, if you have faith and do not waver, not only will you do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' it will be done.
22
    Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive."

I have my own reason for quoting Jesus, that has nothing to do with mankind's religions... but I could easily quote Yoda as well.... (yes he is a puppet :P but those that wrote his lines are not ;) )

Yoda:

"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."

Luke:

"I can't believe it."

Yoda:

"That is why you fail."

You see? the same message. The first in terms of the past 2000 years ago, the second in modern terms. But the message is the same

This is what the true secret societies have been withholding... and with good reason. This ability can be used for evil as well as good. Starwars is actually a very good analogy of what can happen :D


I did a very long thread on this in the early days of our forum. Sadly that was wiped out and I will have to redo it...  Perhaps the Universe doesn't want me spilling the beans yet :P

 ;) ;D

well guys
i think we are really all on the same page

all on Parallel roads heading for the same camp

verbage has once again presented the challange of expression


Matrix is going with a very technical explaination of how it works and i have to read it more closely
to see what or how i can work with that

and

Z you have positively proven my point..by comparing and meshing yoda and the bible.. ;D


i'm pretty sure that what i was saying is that once you have read or seen stuff
..it's there in your brain
and agreeing with Amer and yoda.................it's there .........not good or bad...
it's what you do with it

and in regards to these two mentioned books i feel most go to fear.
.at least those that i speak with seems to have gone that way

that emotion is the trigger to bring about what was feared (or loved)
..that you draw to you that which you think about with a strong emotional charge
that you/me/we make it happen

and (i think ) i was trying to point out that....counter to all the written and visual..
where would you/me/us be if we were not so satuarted with outside stuff
and individually created
phew..

i agree totally that we use the bible and starwars as guidelines and/or explanation

all of the secret groups down thur the ages tried to use the force for their purposes
and that was the reason for secrecy ..they all had an agenda.... power
they all created elaborate and lengthy ways to get to the use of power
totally mixing what matrix is referring to (if i understand it) as the flesh and the soul
that's why so few of the rituals actually work...
the flesh slows the soul

ok enough
rambling here cause i think we were all over the place in this and i took off yet again
..gotta luv how that works

really do need a drink now..hahahahahahah
8) ;D ;)

i am limited by these pedestrian emoticons yet again..and laughing at my need for
funny expressive faces to finish a post...

::)

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 10, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
Hi Amaterasu

...

Thank You, TMT.  I understand exactly what You're saying and glad to see it in such non-religious terms.  [smile]

I had an experience - perhaps I died briefly, I don't know - where I became everything, knew the sparks of Consciousness were as cells of My Being.  I knew everything We see as mortals was Conscious at some level.  Knew that I was experiencing everything subjectively through the nodes that life is, and I was co-creating the Now, that the Now was all there is, and I was rejoicing in all aspects of My Being - even those I (in My simple Human awareness would call "evil."  I was also striving for bliss to win out for all My units...

I saw the holographic nature and the informational essence.

It was ever so brief a look at things - and in that state I comprehended infinity - the infinity I AM.

Now...  I can reenter that place with a thin veil of the small Me and nearly grasp that ALL.  So death no longer frightens and love for all flows.

In looking at Your map...  I saw the star tetrahedron, I saw it as a three-dimensional thing superimposed on the two-dimensional image You provided.

I can only wish everyOne had such an experience.

Off to read Your threads, now.  [smile]

Zorg and Sky...

Yes, We are all on the same page.

Rather than see the planet destroyed, I LIVE in its thriving in the abundance paradigm.

The reality of My goals is so tangible to Me.  It is all I focus on.

My ex used to get pissy with Me for always bringing up the abundance paradigm, as if it was not very important.  I KNOW it will come to pass because, as I said...  I live in it.

So I bring it forth in the Now often, thereby to manifest it.

Yes, the basics are hidden in all the dreck that has been added to the central information, and yes, Yoda spoke it just as the prophets.

Talk in Taoism so I can understand this  :P ;D

Kidding :D

Wise soul this one  ;D

QuoteLook, it cannot be seen - it is beyond form.
Listen, it cannot be heard - it is beyond sound.
Grasp, it cannot be held - it is intangible.
These three are indefinable, they are one.

From above it is not bright;
From below it is not dark:
Unbroken thread beyond description.
It returns to nothingness.
Form of the formless,
Image of the imageless,
It is called indefinable and beyond imagination.

Stand before it - there is no beginning.
Follow it and there is no end.
Stay with the Tao, Move with the present.

Knowing the ancient beginning is the essence of Tao.

Source ;)

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/lao.html

Regarding 1984. 

Sheesh I only read that book a couple of years ago to much surprise of folks that know me LOL 

Quote from: Somamech on March 11, 2012, 06:12:53 PM
Talk in Taoism so I can understand this  :P ;D

I´ll take the challenge.

Its the trip not the destination, the road becomes home.
But the myriad of roads do not take us "anywhere" we can currently conceive.

This is not real, this is not everything there is, but according to the "plan" if we knew what was going on, we wouldn't delve as deep, or love as  strong, or hate and argue as if our very lives depended on it.
This monkey suit can only grasp so much, the cup is empty, the cup is full, at the same time.

Its not what one says but what one DOES.

If what Huxley and Orwell wrote was more than what it is then it would have already changed the world, same thing with the Bible, we should have already beaten despair and fear, all of us together, but it isn't like that, there are no absolute truths, just roads we must travel alone, and in the crossroads of the Universes share our stories with our fellow travelers, we find similarities, we find discrepancies, we find ourselves reflected in others, and we carry on, its up to us to decide to light the torches, or to find the ones others have left for us.

Knowledge must be shared, it belongs to all of us, and that is what Big Brother fears the most, that one day we start listening to what the invisible in us tells us, instead of the magical lies he told us as truths.
But there are ways and places like this, Huxley and Orwell were both right, Huxley and Orwell were both wrong!


is that Taoist enough for ya Somamech?  ;)

cheers!

Quote from: zorgon on March 11, 2012, 11:50:01 AM
"For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. " Jesus of Nazareth Mark 4:11

Now modern preachers will tell you that is just an analogy meaning you should have faith...

Not sure but in Matrix Processing System Context we might be able to look at that Parable another way, the Grain might relate to the Inner Mind, and the Mountain the Outer Mind.

The Faith is between the Two Ends of The Mind.

Not forgetting the Faith needed to Receive the Man Child Download as well of course which is what the CHRIST is all about?.

Hi "NewTheories",

Regarding that word "Faith"...

You are sort of right, or at least on the right path.   :D

In the writings you are referring to, the word "Faith", is more correctly translated
as Trust and NOT Blind Faith, lacking the knowledge required.

First we need "Knowledge", then we can Trust in that "Knowledge".

"Trust" can either be put in Incorrect knowledge, or Trust can be put in knowledge,
which is Correct.

We might know how to walk to a door, and open it, but if we lack Trust
in the "knowledge" of How to walk to and open that door, we are unable to perform
the task.

And if we don't have the "knowledge" of How to walk, or open that door we can't.

If we trust in the knowledge of How to walk to that door, and open it, then we have the ability,
to carry out the procedure, if we desire to.

Blind "Faith", serves no purpose, but instead is foolishness.

No matter how much we believe, in faulty knowledge, "Belief"
Can NOT change the Truth no matter what extent we believe to.

Re the seed....

A "Seed" is a Component of the "Fruit" in many cases, and an offspring of the Plant.

The "Center" comes from the "Outer" as it is a Component of the "Outer".

Yet the "Center" having NO Shape or Size, being Non-dimensional,
is of the same Nature of what ALL has come from, in that it is Also Non-dimensional.

Religions have take some of this knowledge and presenting it in Parable "Form",
so only the "Center" of the Mind shall understand.

It is only the True Mind (The REAL You) which knows it exists.
The Flesh knows nothing at all, it doesn't even know it exists, as the Flesh
is only the "Story", that which is being experienced by the True Mind (Center).

To really understand what produces the "STORY" we experience i.e. This World, Humanity
and the Universe we need to discover what is producing this.
All are victims of this unfolding History including myself.

IF the human race was in "Control" of what we are experiencing then I suspect
this world would be much different or we would now Not exist.

So what is all this Confrontation really about?

Is it just one group trying to convince or control another or the masses.

Or is this world about something entirely different, not discussed by the human species?

Most ask at some point in their Lives "What the Hell is All this really about?"

And many spend their lives trying to find out only to pretend in the end they understand.
But this understanding is Human and is Only Guess work as The Human Species isn't holding
all the cards in their Hands.

Is it all controlled by Aliens then???

NO.

So what the Hell is producing this (All) and Why?

I do have some answers which the whole Situation has come out of.

There is a Basic theme in the Root of The All.
But Nothing "Religious" about the principals involved, and purely involves a change
in the "Processing Construct", All is experienced through.

Because the First of All things that existed apart from "Awareness" was The "OPPOSITES",
and all that exists is Constructed using the "Opposites".

This is both a good thing and a Bad thing (these 2 are also Opposites).

So "Awareness" or LIFE had to take action, that is  IF LIFE
was going to be without experiencing Pain, Suffering, and Death etc.

So this involves the "Construct", All experiences are Manifested through.

The human Species is only the Story we are experiencing, and NOT LIFE itself.

The Species & Universe is the "Experience" but "The REAL Self" is LIFE
or a "Partition" of LIFE, experiencing the Story or "Experience".

It is astounding how so few Know their "Real Selves" i.e. LIFE itself.

But thankfully some of us are Awakening to this "Knowledge".

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 09, 2012, 09:21:47 PM
There is the experience we have... and there is the reason for the experience we have. (Total Experience)

So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

I mean what is the real function for this "Program" we call Earth?


Is it really about human development?

Or is it something quite different, not even discussed by the human species?

And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

We are here to experience, and crave novelty.
Your physical body is akin to a vehicle that the real You inhabits.
Via dreaming that is enabled by DMT You connect to Yourself in alternate dimensions.

I have had three way conversations going on all at once with the various Me's.
I sure do know a lot, but not the Me in the here and now.
My physical body is mostly only interested in staying above ground.
I am totally comfortable with all of this, and we all get on fine.

hobbit

Regarding "faith", as has been mentioned here, I accept what God says in His Word, in what is called the "Bible". Hebrews 11:1 says "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".

That is a scripture that many have seen and heard quoted. The "evidence of things not seen" part does seem to directly imply "blind faith", but that is not in fact the way I see it. The only real basis for "spiritual faith" is God's Word, and "Word based faith" is definitely not "blind", but stands in the power of God.

Hebrews 11:2, while not seen or heard discussed that much, is the "rest of that story"!! For it simply says, "For by it (it meaning faith) the elders obtained a good report". Now what does "obtained a good report" mean to you? To me, it does not mean the elders receives a good grade, or a good score, nor kind thank you's. To me it means the elders saw come to pass what they had "faith'ed for" ie, the "unseen evidence" of what they had "hoped for" came to pass". That is the "good report"! Specific examples of these "good reports" are individually mentioned and discussed in Hebrews 11:4-following (if anyone is interested).

While we are here at Hebrews 11, one other point that has far reaching implications, for all of us, in our understandings, as are being discussed in this thread.  Hebrews 11:3 records a specific element of our faith to our "understanding", relative to all that we "see". Hebrews 11:3 " Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that is all "things which are seen" were not made of things which do appear. That is a very powerful statement, and, to me very telling relative to the vast differences of perceptional opinion, of the humans of this "world". If everything that we see was spoken into existence, then how confused can we get, in trying to understand it all, down to the atom level, and below??

God spoke it all into existence, yet, we go to enormous extents to try to define and understand every thing about this universe. We may be wasting a lot of time, for no gain, in the real scheme of things, but, yet, all of us seem to have a plethora of differences in opinions, about how it all gets connected.

Just a little FYI, and I'm "just say'in" what "He said"!

Hi "rdunk",

Yes, I do go along with much you have written.

Here is something that may be of Interest?


Much of the Unseen became visible to me.

It is "The True Mind" that sees, and Not the Flesh.

Everyone wants the Flesh to be LIFE.   :D

But the Flesh is only a "Story" in a "Program Book" out of "The True Minds" Libraries.

The flesh serves to gain nothing at all.

Remember those dry bones seen in the desert; Ezekiel 37?


But it is "Awareness" or the LIFE which gains, as it is able to experience the Flesh
again re Ezekiel 37.

The Children of Israel, are Not the Human Species but "Partitions" of LIFE.

As is written, "Woe unto them that call themselves Jews and are Not."

This is because a Jew in the Correct sense of the word "Jew"
is Not a Human or any other Species.

The Jewish people adopted the Name after the True Jew which is Not of
A' DAM & EVE but instead of LIFE, Not the Flesh.


Not one single part of the "Human Species" (Flesh or Body) knows anything.

Check out any "Component" of your Flesh, and see if it even knows it exists.    :D


Only "Awareness" is Aware, that is why it is called "Awareness".   :D

"The Real You" is "Awareness" i.e. a "Partition" of LIFE.


The "Flesh" is called Flesh and is Not called "Awareness".


The Children of Israel is Not referring to Israel, on the Earth as most think,
for what is Plainly in your Sight is ZION.

The Carpenter said, "Recognize what is in your Sight."


Israel in the middle East, was named after Israel which is a Component
of the "Processing Construct" of what some refer to as the Soul,
Not the Spirit.

The Soul and Spirit are 2 Different "Components".

The Spirit is the "Character" of LIFE which Lives in The Soul.

The "Soul" is a Body, i.e. The "Processing Construct" ALL is Manifested through.

"The WORD of God" is the Written ZION Language and Not Hebrew.

Many believe the bible is the word of God, but it isn't at all, it is a witness to "The WORD of God" in Parable form.

As is written in "The Gospel According to John" Ch. 1 verse 1 to 13.

Where the WORD is; G  O  D. or in Greek, the Letters "Gama Omega Delta"
(Not the Translation).

If we Convert these Letters to the ZION Language.

The "Gama" becomes a Square Frame (2 "Gama" one opposite
to the other superimposed on the first forming the Square.)

The "Omega" becomes like a Circle with 4 little diagonal bars
(2 "Omega" one opposite to the other)
and
The "Delta" becomes a 6 Pointed Star, (The Star of DAVID)
( 2 Delta one opposite and superimposed on the first to the other forming the Star.)

Put these together and we get a 6 Pointed Star ("The Star of DAVID") inside a Circle
with 4 little diagonal Lines, connected to the 4 Corners of a Square Frame
which these, the "Star" in the Circle  are inside.


This Language is "The Program Language" of "The True Mind" which is unspoken,
as it is a "Geometric Language".

Like "The washing of the hands and feet", in Greek, is "Nu Iota Zeta Omega",
the Same lettering as in "Zeta Iota Omega Nu", (ZION)
which since has been removed from the Greek Language by the Scribes.

The Carpenter said to Thomas, Quote;

Quote39. Jesus said,
"The Pharisees and the Scribes

have taken THE KEYS of KNOWLEDGE
and HIDDEN THEM.

They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.

You, however, be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves."

To understand, we First need to recognize the ZION Language
(Not the written Hebrew which is much much different)

Remember ZIN and Moses?

ZIN is a Part of the word ZION. (Leave out the "Omega" written here,
as "O" and we get ZIN)   :D


The upper case Lettering used in the Original Greek text actually represents
the "Geometric Language" and to understand the writings, we need to know
this Language. (ZION)

The Greek ION Language, was a new Language which used some of the "Glyphs"
(Sometimes Half the original "Glyph" form) from the ZION Language.

Hence the 2 Languages;

1.    ZION
and
2.    ION

Note in the Title ION the "Z" has been Dropped...

Z or "Zeta" in ZION; means LIFE.

This is why The Carpenter was shown in ancient Mosaics as having the Letter "Z"
on His Gown.

"Zeta Alpha Omega" in ION Greek means LIFE.
as well as "Zeta Omega Omega means" LIFE too.

Perhaps the Scribes at that time had a hand in doing this to indicate that LIFE
was Left out, of the written ION Greek Language?

But it is important to remember these writings are a Parable
for "The True Mind" and Not the Flesh as the Flesh is already dead.

As the Carpenter said "Let the Dead bury the Dead."

He also was reported to say to Thomas, Quote;

Quote49. Jesus said,

"Blessed are the Solitary and Elect,
for you will find The Kingdom.

For you are from it, and to it you will return."

50. Jesus said,

If they say to you, "Where did you come from?"

say to them,

"We came  from The Light, the place where The Light came into being on Its own accord
and established Itself and became manifest through their Image."

If they say to you, "Is it you?"

say, "We are its children, and we are the elect of The Living Father."

If they ask you, "What is the sign of your Father in you?"

say to them, "It is Movement and Repose."

and

Quote56. Jesus said,

"Whoever has come to understand the World has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the World."[/b]

And Lastly Quote;

Quote84. Jesus said,
"When you See your likeness, you rejoice.

But when you See Your Images which came into being Before You,

and which neither DIE nor become manifest,

how much you will have to Bear!"

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 23, 2012, 02:23:21 AM
Hi "rdunk",

And Lastly Quote;

Quote84. Jesus said,
"When you See your likeness, you rejoice.

But when you See Your Images which came into being Before You,

and which neither DIE nor become manifest,

how much you will have to Bear!"

Is that saying without the Soul Metamorphosis, that would be the case?.

Quote from: zorgon on March 11, 2012, 11:50:01 AM


Now modern preachers will tell you that is just an analogy meaning you should have faith...

No he meant it LITERALLY, because here is another quote from Mathew

Matthew 21:
18
     When he was going back to the city in the morning, he was hungry.
19
    Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went over to it, but found nothing on it except leaves. And he said to it, "May no fruit ever come from you again." And immediately the fig tree withered.
20
    When the disciples saw this, they were amazed and said, "How was it that the fig tree withered immediately?"
21
    17 Jesus said to them in reply, "Amen, I say to you, if you have faith and do not waver, not only will you do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' it will be done.
22
    Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive."

if the application is only literal this means just having enough clout to screw people over is the same thing.  let's say you want to do the wild thang with some hot babe, and she isn't interested.  you could have her forcibly sterilized and call it faith.  you could have her breasts removed and force her into early menopause (they do that to female christians in africa, to keep them from reproducing).  that tree dries up in a hurry.

no, i think it's more than literal.  if you could pronounce curses and blessings on whomever and have them happen instantly, as in the literal sense of giving someone a hysterectomy, lobotomy or castration, how does that differ in the least, from just going around poking people in the eye, shooting them in the foot, or hanging them till dead,  when you don't like them?

why would he (jesus) spend so much time talking about how important love was, and then suddenly, and out of nowhere, claim you could abuse anything just because.... you can.  it doesn't make a bit of sense to me to suggest it is a literal interpretation.  too many people are more than happy to disenfranchise each other of their worldly or bodily possessions, to suggest it is some big spiritual secret.

i mean, if you have some rationale for how it would differ, even remotely, let me know, cause from this vantage point, it reads the same old same old as just going out and hacking people up with chainsaws or beheadings.

to me it just sounds like he's saying that trees produce fruit spiritually as well as physically.  a tree that doesn't produce spiritual fruit is not the same thing as a tree that doesn't produce eggs or sperm or some hormone.   compleeeeetely different thing.  least, i think so, just based on the rest of his info.   and that passage sounds like it's saying if the tree doesn't produce spiritual fruit, it doesn't feed anyone.  if it doesn't feed anyone, it's not a spiritual tree.  ya know?  and by feed, it doesn't mean literal food but spiritual food. 

Hi NewTheories

Quote84. Jesus said,
"When you See your likeness, you rejoice.

But when you See Your Images which came into being Before You,

and which neither DIE nor become manifest,

how much you will have to Bear!"

The Images which came into being, before the "Human Species" or any other "Species"
in this Program, (Universe/s) refers to what was before any worlds other than
"The Main Frame Construct" Produced by "The Real You" (a "Partition" of LIFE,
or "The All".) i.e. LIFE and NOT Flesh which is the "Story", LIFE Experiences.

LIFE is the Most Precious of ALL as without LIFE we can do nothing at all.

If we LOVE LIFE we will never do harm to ourselves, anyone else.

When we withdraw from this Program, (universe) we discover that our experience was a "Story",
and we discover once again, WHAT "The Real Self" really is, as the Images
of the Universe fades, and the Images we then see, are of the "Construct"
some refer to as the Soul, (NOT the Interpretation as understood today)
LIFE Resides or Dwells IN.

I am NOT guessing about these things, as I was reported by medical staff
to be "Brain Dead" for more than 30 minutes in August 1973, but to me
I was more alive during this period, (30 minutes +) than I had ever been before.

From that day I was no longer a member of any religious order, no longer having to adopt
blind belief, but rather have trust in what I had discovered, and recognize
what these ancient writings were really about.

This is much different, than what is taught by any religious groups today.

I was a bit confused with that verse, but your reply cleared it up.

In a way Jesus could have actually been meaning in a good way then as well, when he says "how much you will have to Bear".

Because it is a Plus not a Negative to be back in the "Matrix" or "The Main Frame Construct", kind of like going home or a "home from home".

Hi "NewTheories",

QuoteIn a way Jesus could have actually been meaning in a good way then as well,
when he says "how much you will have to Bear".

Now you are onto it...  :D

To bear refers to how much we will have to Contain! A huge amount  :D

Through the Human Species we always seem to FEAR the Worst.

But the "Flesh" is as though the Opposite to LIFE.

In tat the "Flesh" is The Story and "The Real You" i.e. LIFE
is the One experiencing the "Flesh", or "Story".

Quote from: undo11 on March 24, 2012, 09:42:33 AM
if the application is only literal this means just having enough clout to screw people over is the same thing.  let's say you want to do the wild thang with some hot babe, and she isn't interested.  you could have her forcibly sterilized and call it faith.  you could have her breasts removed and force her into early menopause (they do that to female Christians in Africa, to keep them from reproducing).  that tree dries up in a hurry.

no, i think it's more than literal.  if you could pronounce curses and blessings on whomever and have them happen instantly, as in the literal sense of giving someone a hysterectomy, lobotomy or castration, how does that differ in the least, from just going around poking people in the eye, shooting them in the foot, or hanging them till dead,  when you don't like them?

why would he (Jesus) spend so much time talking about how important love was, and then suddenly, and out of nowhere, claim you could abuse anything just because.... you can.  it doesn't make a bit of sense to me to suggest it is a literal interpretation.  too many people are more than happy to disenfranchise each other of their worldly or bodily possessions, to suggest it is some big spiritual secret.

i mean, if you have some rationale for how it would differ, even remotely, let me know, cause from this vantage point, it reads the same old same old as just going out and hacking people up with chainsaws or beheadings.

...
undo11, the possible actions you mentioned relative to "screwing people over" are acts of the "flesh", and thus are not "acts of faith". The resulting reality of an act of faith is by definition a "spiritual event", brought about by believing that God will act in accordance with what he says/promises in his word. 

Not understanding the real basis of faith makes it difficult for most people to truly apply the faith Jesus was teaching, relative to the fig tree. Think of God's word as being "the helm of faith" (my term). Move the helm, the ship turns. If we don't move the helm, nothing happens. God's words are the "helm moving tools". It is faith, in God's word, that "moves the helm"!

Now consider this - yes, Gods word is made up of all of the scriptures in the book we call the Bible. But that is just the printed word. God is a Spirit, and his words are spiritual, and are any and everywhere, just like the oxygen we breath. Just one scripture to substantiate this as fact is Hebrews 4:12:

New International Version (NIV)
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

"The word of God is alive", and active! When asked, God said "I am". Well, his word "is"! And God does intend for his words to "dwell in us". Our faith (in his words) is the substance of things hoped for, our and faith (in his words) is the evidence of things not seen. (Heb 11:1) Spiritual faith has "substance", and spiritual faith has "evidence".

What that simply means is, speak to whatever "the mountain is", and tell it what to do, on the basis of God's word, and "know in faith", it is going to move.

Undo11, I am no "expert" on this, but God is! I have tried to help you with your questions and thoughts as plainly as I could.. I hope this helps you a little!