In the future, I’m right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984

[RUSSO]

Today I was looking for interesting news and came across this gem:

In October of 1949, a few months after the release of George Orwell's dystopian masterpiece, Nineteen Eighty-Four, he received a fascinating letter from fellow author Aldous Huxley — a man who, 17 years previous, had seen his own nightmarish vision of society published, in the form of Brave New World. What begins as a letter of praise soon becomes a brief comparison of the two novels, and an explanation as to why Huxley believes his own, earlier work to be a more realistic prediction.

I'm a big fan of these two authors, as well as of their most famous works which in my judgment were:

Trivia: In 1917, long before he wrote this letter, Aldous Huxley briefly taught Orwell French at Eton.

In the future, I'm right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984 novel sheds light on their different ideas

They were both critically acclaimed writers who were ahead of their time, creating imaginative visions of the future in their novels.

But an enlightening letter sent by Aldous Huxley to his fellow author George Orwell more than 60 years ago reveals that the two men had very different ideas of how the world would change.

Huxley's 1949 letter - the latest addition to a website that collects fascinating missives from the past - praises Orwell for the novel 1984, which offers a terrifying portrayal of a future totalitarian society....

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111440/Aldous-Huxley-letter-George-Orwell-1984-sheds-light-different-ideas.html

Here is the Full letter:

Wrightwood. Cal.
21 October, 1949

Dear Mr. Orwell,

It was very kind of you to tell your publishers to send me a copy of your book. It arrived as I was in the midst of a piece of work that required much reading and consulting of references; and since poor sight makes it necessary for me to ration my reading, I had to wait a long time before being able to embark on Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Agreeing with all that the critics have written of it, I need not tell you, yet once more, how fine and how profoundly important the book is. May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals — the ultimate revolution? The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual's psychology and physiology — are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf. The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it. Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful. My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World. I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesmer, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.

Partly because of the prevailing materialism and partly because of prevailing respectability, nineteenth-century philosophers and men of science were not willing to investigate the odder facts of psychology for practical men, such as politicians, soldiers and policemen, to apply in the field of government. Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations. Another lucky accident was Freud's inability to hypnotize successfully and his consequent disparagement of hypnotism. This delayed the general application of hypnotism to psychiatry for at least forty years. But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency. Meanwhile, of course, there may be a large scale biological and atomic war — in which case we shall have nightmares of other and scarcely imaginable kinds.

Thank you once again for the book.

Yours sincerely,

Aldous Huxley

I have no doubt  that we live in society that is ruled by an Inner-party that uses both machine guns and hypno-screens to keep power.

" Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations." – This is something I find fascinating.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111440/Aldous-Huxley-letter-George-Orwell-1984-sheds-light-different-ideas.htm
Source2: http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/1984-v-brave-new-world.html

Enjoy.

[RUSSO]

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons



Fantastic.

[Amaterasu]

It's eerie reading 1984 today.  You look around You and there it is.

I think 1984 was a blueprint.  Brave New World was more off the mark, but there are a few things Huxley got close on - genetic manipulation, for one.

Thanks for bringing up two of My favorite and most read science "fiction" books.

[TheProphetOmega]

And yet we continue to ignore the warnings, we keep on telling ourselves, -"Its going to be all right" when clearly it will get worse before it gets better.

Its all a matter of energy input vs waste, as Huxley says, its more efficient to coerce with thought than with violence, unfortunately, our numbers must be thinned out before the "less aggressive"  methods are put into place.

Right now we are becoming too unmanageable to be herded "efficiently" , lots of resources go to waste trying to control the uncontrollable, so, those unimaginable nightmares will first come to be, we will realize that it is all a theater, once the props are gone and the curtain hits the cast, we will realize that we had been staring at a brick wall all along, a game of light and shadows and nothing more.

Get ready friends, we had been warned for a long long time!

But there is hope, and they will never win, our destinies are at the hands of incomprehensible galactic forces, our existences nothing but mere instants in the galactic time.
Everything will come and go, its the trip no the destination that counts, so make every second worthy of living!
cheers!

[RUSSO]

It's eerie reading 1984 today.  You look around You and there it is.

I think 1984 was a blueprint.  Brave New World was more off the mark, but there are a few things Huxley got close on - genetic manipulation, for one.

Thanks for bringing up two of My favorite and most read science "fiction" books.

Some people say Orwell belonged to the fabian society 

[sky otter]

 

this might be a little off topic here
but
does anyone ever wonder that the reading of these books changes the future to more or less follow them
by thousands and more adding this info to their consciousness does it make it happen?
has it made some of it happen?



goes with the question of does the researcher change the research by merely observation
....i have answered yes to that one

then go a step further and comprehend how all the war games on video are affecting folks
a dream within a dream or a reversal of the dream being more real and spreading
to those not participating in the video's

just my wondering for today

[burntheships]

Russo,

Good topic!

I have read both books many times (bookworm yes) and each time
I see more clearly what these men were conveying.

In 1984, people were controlled by inflicting pain - The Ministry of Peace
In A Brave New World people were controlled by inflicting pleasure - Soma - Dreamworld...

Orwell thought that what we hated would ruin us...
Huxley thought what we love would ruin us...

So I find that very interesting, and it strikes me that we must
maintain as much balance as we can to stay strong.

[TheProphetOmega]

this might be a little off topic here
but
does anyone ever wonder that the reading of these books changes the future to more or less follow them
by thousands and more adding this info to their consciousness does it make it happen?
has it made some of it happen?
goes with the question of does the researcher change the research by merely observation
....i have answered yes to that one

I´ll add to your comments my friend, based on the little research I have done, on the Noosphere and the Ontological realm, I have gathered a few conclusions of my own.

There is a war, there has always been a WAR, two sides stand on the battleground, the goal of each side is to make the other the same. Both sides use similar strategies, every weapon imaginable has been used, both sides have been infiltrated, and sometimes they act in opposites, meaning that even for them its difficult sometimes to discern between ally or enemy.

But what are they fighting for? they fight for our energy, for our lives and our potentials.
Huxley and Orwell could well be enemies, allies or both, at the same time. Both fighting for their side getting to the same place through different means, the concepts have been placed on the table, but as they say, guns do not kill, people do, ideals only mean something to the ones that have internalized the concept and them give it meaning, and then, DO something about it.

One could argue that both scenarios in their narratives are in the process of being installed in our consciousness, but what has been done to prevent it?
We know we don't want that to happen, and yet everyday we give up  more and more of our so called "rights" in the name of safety, peace and/or freedom, but what do those words mean?

If we are unable to heed the warnings, if we need to be burnt before believing in the power of fire, then all experience and all farsight anyone could have had means nothing, and I believe those are the main points in those books, both have "happy" endings, death, and submission to end the pains of being responsible of our actions and our inabilities to cope or act according to the growing pressures, we know what "they" are up to, when we read those last paragraphs the world lights up, and the truth is revealed, we are helpless, lost or in a perpetual state of ignorant bliss.


The last paragraph in 1984.

He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

The last paragraph in Brave New World

That evening the swarm of helicopters that came buzzing across the Hog's Back was a dark cloud ten kilometres long. The description of last night's orgy of atonement had been in all the papers.
"Savage!" called the first arrivals, as they alighted from their machine. "Mr. Savage!"
There was no answer.
The door of the lighthouse was ajar. They pushed it open and walked into a shuttered twilight. Through an archway on the further side of the room they could see the bottom of the staircase that led up to the higher floors. Just under the crown of the arch dangled a pair of feet.
"Mr. Savage!"
Slowly, very slowly, like two unhurried compass needles, the feet turned towards the right; north, north-east, east, south-east, south, south-south-west; then paused, and, after a few seconds, turned as unhurriedly back towards the left. South-south-west, south, south-east, east. ...

We have been warned and shown the way, and we have liked it so far, Its not what one knows, but what one does with the things WE know.
so who were those two soldiers fighting for? whose side are we on?

I have found out that it is a game of balance, but more importantly a game of CHOICE, personal CHOICE, the system is just what we make of it, and we know were that road will take us, these man walked before us, and lighted torches from the depths to light the way, to free and to bound.

cheers!

[sky otter]

 
Its not what one knows, but what one does with the things WE know.


I do agree with this
and I want to go a bit further on this one point..

years ago when I realized that my reality was altered by what I ingested via media..books, movies, internet, etc
I stepped back and did a little sorting of what I really knew  vs. what I had ingested..
I was not happy with the results..
the what I really knew column was much shorter than the other..pissed me off a bit
I made the decision to back off the stuff that was out there and do more investigating
via mental and psychic techniques on my own
also realizing that what I found would be tainted with what I thought I already knew
phew ! ..it's a muddy road

but in deciding this and pursuing it I have some different takes on topics brought up here.
.and I am tickled when I see how reading and watching certain things gives folks here and on other forums some common conversational means
yeah i was into the twilight zone, star treak, star wars etc before turning it all off

so having waded thur my preface
I need to say that sometimes it isn't so much what we really do with it
as it is
what we think it is in the first place..because if you haven't come to the information via your own methods
you have been led to a conclusion by someone (?)  else and thur this conclusion also led to believe
what you should do

so really what we do with what we know has been programmed also

sucks, huh?



dang edit for speelin again..geeeeesh

[The Matrix Traveller]

There is the experience we have... and there is the reason for the experience we have. (Total Experience)

So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

I mean what is the real function for this "Program" we call Earth?


Is it really about human development?

Or is it something quite different, not even discussed by the human species?

And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

[sky otter]

And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

Matrix
while i appreciate your question
i would even more appreciate what you thik the answer to it is
and further
the answer to this one

So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

[Amaterasu]

Some people say Orwell belonged to the fabian society 

I had heard that, yes...  I think He was one of "Them."

does anyone ever wonder that the reading of these books changes the future to more or less follow them
by thousands and more adding this info to their consciousness does it make it happen?
has it made some of it happen?

As many first took these to be cautionary tales - and indeed, many still do, I don't think that the mental ingestation makes it happen, no.  But I do believe that they were written to give the Ones in the shadows a set of cohesive methods to accomplish Their goals...

Though We saw caution, We foolishly believed We would easily avoid it for the caution.  And thus have been blinded to the vary thing We thought We could avoid.

[Amaterasu]

There is the experience we have... and there is the reason for the experience we have. (Total Experience)

So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

I mean what is the real function for this "Program" we call Earth?


Is it really about human development?

Or is it something quite different, not even discussed by the human species?

And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

Well, now - and this is merely My humble opinion - We are here as experiencing units of the Whole, of Consciousness as God, to co-create the Now and experience everything.  That is Our purpose.  And I believe that overall, Consciousness seeks at minimum comfort and ideally, bliss.  As one Conscious unit, I therefore fight so hard to bring awareness of My experience to the enhancement of chances for ALL to have the opportunity to follow Their bliss.

In a sense, I see Myself doing "God's" work.  [smile]

[sky otter]

 

In a sense, I see Myself doing "God's" work  [smile].

Amaterasu

i believe  you get what you think about (and that's why i quoted you)
and
that is what i was saying about tons of folks reading and ingesting  those books.
.as well as others stuff....
group mind at it's most basic

as far as doing god's work..i have two things to say

first i am sure god is no more intimately aware of me than i am of him
(mho..of course and can be taken a number of ways.. )
and
second
god is not a boy's name (sorry..still working to let go of the women's lib stuff.) 

i don't plan on getting into a belief war of words but just wanted to add that about myself

now back to my little soap box

there are so many who take pieces of the written word as their's and just build on it
until there is no more ogirinal thought process going on..
just a collection and callaboration of things seen, heard and read
and then a verbalising of that ...sort of  agree/disagree and then
on to the next tidbit that interests them
guess i am starting to repeat myself  so it's time to step away

[The Matrix Traveller]

Perhaps this may be off topic to some, but I don't believe it to be so.

To understand the Topic....

"Preview - Re: In the future, I'm right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984"

We need to understand more about this World.

As I have been asked to explain myself.........

Hope this makes sense to those reading this as I have tried to condense it down
into as few words as possible.

But before anyone challenges me on this please understand Fully what I have written.
If you are uncertain please ask questions to have it clarified first.

We only desire (Seek) what we don't have.

And in some cases, what the flesh can't have.

If we have it, then we neither desire it, or search for it.


Re this Program. (The human species and The Earth)

This Program is much different than any other World, and involves the Soul and NOT
the Human species.

If referring to the Judeo Christian God, then according to these Writings, (Not only the writings
in the Roman Collection of Greek and Hebrew writings) but also others Not accepted
by the Early Roman Church, which the Carpenter made No reference to at all,
or the Roman Bible, even though it is Reported He, "The LIGHT" or "The LIFE of God",
knew All things;  There was a Carpenter whom "The Son of God" was reported to have said,
through (the Carpenter) (re. The Gospel According to John Verses 1 to 13)
that "The LIFE of God" is "The LIGHT of MEN (MAN)".

The LIGHT which Lighteth ever MAN (and WO-MAN)
who cometh into the World is NOT of human form, but is instead
"The LIGHT" i.e. The LIFE, i.e. that which is "The Living One"
(Not the flesh or human Species).

So when it was reported that "The LIFE of God", said through the "Carpenter" Quote;

"I Am The Way, The Truth and The LIFE"

and in another verse reported to say Quote;

"I Am The Way,The Truth and The LIGHT".

He was referring to The LIFE of God and NOT the Carpenter.

The Son of God is The LIFE or "The LIFE of God"
"The Bright and Early Morning Star" re. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ"
Chapter 22 verse 16 and NOT the Flesh.

Another example of distinguishing between "The Son of God" and the "Carpenter"
is found in what "The LIFE of God" said through "The Carpenter" Quote;

"Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

"The Temple" is The Carpenter" and the word "I" refers to "The Son of God"
or "The LIFE of God", which is the Only One, being "The LIFE of God"
gives the Gift of LIFE, Not that Breath of Air, given to A' DAM
but instead the LIGHT of The Soul.

"The Son of God" was also reported to say, Quote;

"He who has found the World
has only found a Corpse,
And He who has found a Corpse,
is superior to the World."

It is NOT "The Flesh", which is "The Living One", but Instead
The LIGHT of The Soul, is "The Living One", Hence "The Place of LIFE",
Yesu spoke of.


So this world is Not about the Dead (Human Species),
but instead about "The Possession of our Souls".

The Word Our refers to "The LIFE" (Spirit) and NOT the Human Flesh.

Whats that text again?

"All (Flesh) have Sinned, and come short of the Glory of God".

Forgiveness refers to the Soul for it is Innocent but the Flesh is Condemned to Death.

i.e The wages of SIN, the reward is Death...

The Word SIN comes from the Word SHIN in other words Lacking the "H".
But First.... too understand, you require to know The "SHIN".

The "H" in the Ancient ZION Language (NOT Hebrew), is the "Instruction"
used to Access the Libraries of "The Running Program" which in other words
involves your Experience in/on Earth. This allows the correct Choices to be made,
rather than guessing.

It is reported that The LIFE of God said, through The Carpenter, Quote;

"In your Patience Posses Ye Your Souls."

The word Ye refers to "The LIFE of God", MAN has received,
as a Gift and NOT the "Breath" that A' DAM received.

The Word "MAN" refers to The Soul and NOT A' DAM, the Flesh.

Hence "The Son of MAN". ( 2 entities here, "The Son of God"
and "The Son of Man".)

It is "The Son of MAN" who Returns and NOT "The Son of God",
for if "The Son of God" had Left, then Nothing at all would exist.

Re. "The Acts of The Apostles", Chapter 17 verses 23 onward.

It is The Scribes and Pharisees who corrupted the writings,
as Jesus himself was reported to have said,
Quote;

"The Pharisees and Scribes
have taken the Keys of Knowledge
and Hidden them.

They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter
those who wish to.

You, however,
be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves."

So here is what this World is really about.

It is solely about "The Metamorphosis of The Soul".

i.e. "The birth of The MAN Child" in the Center of every Soul.

Re. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ Chapter 12".

I will Post Two 100% Accurate Drawings of The Souls "Partition Maps".

a.    "The Soul"
and
b.     "The Man Child" or "The Son of MAN", in the Center of The Soul.

One can find Historical evidence of this, displayed in many Early Churches Monasteries etc.
retained in Mosaic Murals in these buildings Pavements or floors.


But anyway this "Program" or world (Earth) is a program lasting about 7,000 years
in human terms, which invokes this change i.e "The Birth of The Man Child"
Construct, in the Soul. Also referred to as "The Metamorphosis of The Soul".

There is No benefit whatsoever for "The Flesh", known as The Beast (Beast of the Field)

The Flesh being the Descendants of A' DAM & EVE.

It is the Flesh which Buys and Sells.

Whereas the Soul Can't Buy and Sell.

Re. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" Chapter 13.

This is why it is written Quote;

"The Flesh Wars against The Soul."

"The Beast" refers to the Flesh or Descendants of A' DAM.

The Mark or Number which was put in Cains forehead, and now today, every descendant
of A' DAM and EVE, has this Number (666) Now as the Vine is Full and ready
to be gathered in.

The Number (666) is the Algorithm producing "Double Logic",
in the human genome Structure.

This is why the "Species", Buys and Sells, because their trust is in $$$$
instead of LIFE.

So the "Species" causes both great and Small, rich and poor to receive this mark,
a testifying of their Lack of Trust in The LIFE and have placed their Trust
in $$$$.

Re. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" Chapter 13.

This is according to the Parables referred to as the bible and other writings.


Please Note; If I were to explain it in today's terms I would give the same message
but using "different Words".

I would show the same story, but in a technical fashion, rather than referring to
religious material, recorded as "Parables" in Ancient writings, regarding the history,
of "The Soul" and also the Flesh of A' DAM & EVE.