In the future, I’m right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984

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Amaterasu

Quote from: sky otter on March 10, 2012, 03:09:07 AM
:)

In a sense, I see Myself doing "God's" work  [smile].

Amaterasu

i believe  you get what you think about (and that's why i quoted you)
and
that is what i was saying about tons of folks reading and ingesting  those books.
.as well as others stuff....
group mind at it's most basic

I see where You are coming from, but what matters is not only WHAT We think about, but HOW We think about it.  For example...  If I were to think about the total devastation of the planet - with no attachment to the thought - I doubt I would create the total devastation of the planet.  If I think of that same thing and revile it, putting energy into negating it, and seeing it as impossible, I stand a better chance of creating something that is not the devastation of the planet.

So, though these works are read, what matters is the reactions they incur, more so than the words themselves.

Quoteas far as doing god's work..i have two things to say

first i am sure god is no more intimately aware of me than i am of him
(mho..of course and can be taken a number of ways.. ;D)

I cannot place "God" outside Myself.  Once done, "God" is just another Being.  Like a technologically advance ET Being.  But, of course, this is My humble opinion.

Quoteand
second
god is not a boy's name (sorry..still working to let go of the women's lib stuff.)  ;)

I agree.  Again, in My humble opinion, "God" is all things in active creation.

Quotei don't plan on getting into a belief war of words but just wanted to add that about myself

No war coming from Me.  [smile]  I have no issue with any path another Being takes to Their own understanding, as long as Their behavior does not break the three Laws.

Quotenow back to my little soap box

there are so many who take pieces of the written word as their's and just build on it
until there is no more ogirinal thought process going on..
just a collection and callaboration of things seen, heard and read
and then a verbalising of that ...sort of  agree/disagree and then
on to the next tidbit that interests them
guess i am starting to repeat myself  so it's time to step away

8)

Each of Us has Our own personal relationship with these things, and that is where the creativity lies.  Though it may seem, as a dispassionate observer, to be unoriginal, that creative relationship will always be unique.

My thoughts.  [smile]

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 10, 2012, 09:05:30 AMPlease Note; If I were to explain it in today's terms I would give the same message
but using "different Words".

I would show the same story, but in a technical fashion, rather than referring to
religious material, recorded as "Parables" in Ancient writings, regarding the history,
of "The Soul" and also the Flesh of A' DAM & EVE.

I would be most interested in Your story in today's terms.  [smile]

I do have issues with writings from a singular branch of religious belief - but I will own those issues.  But perhaps You can clarify with Your version...
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

The Matrix Traveller

Hi Amaterasu

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on Today at 02:05:30 AM

QuotePlease Note; If I were to explain it in today's terms I would give the same message
    but using "different Words".

    I would show the same story, but in a technical fashion, rather than referring to
    religious material, recorded as "Parables" in Ancient writings, regarding the history,
    of "The Soul" and also the Flesh of A' DAM & EVE.


QuoteI would be most interested in Your story in today's terms.  [smile]

I do have issues with writings from a singular branch of religious belief - but I will own those issues.  But perhaps You can clarify with Your version.

I will be only too happy to reveal what I have witnessed which has nothing at all
to do with human religions.

It is the Human Species who has made their religions out of Knowledge.

As you yourself believes in human terms ALL is God.

This "Statement" is Correct in Human terms.

But putting Human Beliefs aside I can explain what is actually taking Place in this Program,
referring to the Human Species and The Earth.

The only reason I can do this, is Because I know what my real Self is, where I reside,
the Program I am experiencing at Present, All its Processing Components, The language
the human Species refers to as "The WORD" (in religious material), The Lost,
or more Correctly worded, the Hidden Language called ZION, which is the Souls
"Processing Systems" Language.

To gain further Understanding of what I am referring to read my forum if you haven't already,
Titled "Processing System" (4 Articles) in their order, shown from 001 onwards.

It starts from experiencing Death, NOT a NDE but the full deal, where I was declared
"Brain dead" for a period lasting more than 30 minutes. This occurred in August 1973.

It contains NO religion whatsoever, but does explain where our (The LIFE
or "Awareness") came into existence Before any worlds existed except the World
of Existence in the form of "Awareness" and Conceptual interaction,
within the Mind (NOT the Brain) i.e. "Awareness" in a Non Dimensional State
called LIFE. (No Flesh Involved)

The same knowledge I have to admit though, can be fond in Most or All religions,
although the writings have been Corrupted as a certain Carpenter was reported to have said.

But today the churches of the "Flesh", Conveniently Omit these writings, as they Complete,
to a certain point, the Truth which All Flesh rejects.

Hence it is Written The Flesh Wars against the Soul, which is Normal and also a part
of the Program ("Story") involving "The Metamorphosis of the Soul".

What I do know, which is a very long story, involves Knowledge
and NOT "Belief" through the human Species.

I do NOT belong to, or follow any Religious Group, but I do understand
those who do, which must remain their own personal experiences,
and NOT interfered with, as it is part of their Individual "Story" (Program)
via The WORD. (Communication of LIFE).

Those "Partitions" (Portions) of LIFE are only frightened of the world,
and seek for salvation, because they Sleep at present, which is also Perfectly Normal.

This is Part of the "Awakening" which leads onto "The Metamorphosis of The Soul".

I have Attached a Drawing which is 100% Accurate, involving NO Guess work,
Showing The Central "Partition Map" (referred to as either "The Son of MAN"
or "The MAN Child" in religious material) IN the Soul Construct on returning
to The Soul.

There is Nothing at all religious about the knowledge of the Soul. It is just knowledge
and requires NO belief what so ever or festivals or ceremonies etc.

This "Partition Map" is used in The Souls Processing System which Manifests the "Holograph",
referred to as this "Universe" (Just One of innumerable Universes and Worlds,
unlike any Universe) and "Species" within the Construct rather than "Outside"
as most on earth would have you believe.

This "Processing System" is in an Origin, which is "Non Dimensional" and is Constructed
from Concepts.

The Components of this "Processing System", are often recorded in Government Buildings,
Palaces, Public Buildings, Monasteries, Cathedrals, churches, Mosques, Buddhist temples,
Hindu temples, in the form of either "Mosaic Murals", pavement pattern work, in Ceilings Walls
and Windows. (some refer to as "Sacred Geometry" in Ignorance of their interpretations)

What we believe to be Reality isn't at all, but is only a "Complex Interactive Holographic
Story
" (Highly Sophisticated and Technically perfect) which has a known "Function"
or Purpose, involving "The Metamorphosis of the Soul" i.e it is Part of the Evolution
of The Soul.

sky otter

 :)

Matrix..you have made me laugh with this
Hope this makes sense to those reading this as I have tried to condense it down
into as few words as possible.

if this is as few words as possible we need a few hours and some beer. ;D


and please do not consider this a challenges..it is not
sooo let's see if i got it..
short version
the answer to this question is NO..or very few
And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

but i'm not sure if i have filtered out the answer to this one
So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

after  saying
I will be only too happy to reveal what I have witnessed which has nothing at all
to do with human religions.


you refer to bible quotes and inferences
in my opinion the bible and history as we know it (written)are both set ups to keep us going in circles..
and religions are only political constructs with their own agendas..imho :)
so for me that was no help
i do understand what you are saying here but i don't feel it actually answers the question
This "Partition Map" is used in The Souls Processing System which Manifests the "Holograph",
referred to as this "Universe" (Just One of innumerable Universes and Worlds,
unlike any Universe) and "Species" within the Construct rather than "Outside"
as most on earth would have you believe.




i also do understand the difference of mind and brain and of "soul" and flesh
i also know how to be in this world and not of it..
but i don't know what your answer is to that particular question of what is our
REAL purpose..at least not from all of those explanatory terms you have shared

perhaps i should have just stopped at this
It is solely about "The Metamorphosis of The Soul".
this i do understand  so what stage do you think we are in?
maybe  today i can't see the forrest for the trees . ::)

but i guess i would have to agree with Amaterasu here and
I would be most interested in Your story in today's terms.  [smile]


you also mention
To gain further Understanding of what I am referring to read my forum if you haven't already,
Titled "Processing System" (4 Articles) in their order, shown from 001 onwards.

will read asap


i was not at ats at all so i'm at the starting line here..
..and ...
i thank you for taking the time to put all that down..i do appreciate your doing it

8)

sky otter

As many first took these to be cautionary tales - and indeed, many still do, I don't think that the mental ingestation makes it happen, no.  But I do believe that they were written to give the Ones in the shadows a set of cohesive methods to accomplish Their goals...

Though We saw caution, We foolishly believed We would easily avoid it for the caution.  And thus have been blinded to the vary thing We thought We could avoid.



I don't think that the mental ingestation makes it happen, no. 


Amaterasu
no i don't think so either
and i don't thinks most felt they could avoid it with caution

i think it creates worry and  fear in a lot of folks and fear is a strong emotion
i feel that emotion is the trigger to making things  happen



The Matrix Traveller

 

QuoteMatrix..you have made me laugh with this
Hope this makes sense to those reading this as I have tried to condense it down
into as few words as possible.
if this is as few words as possible we need a few hours and some beer.

Now there's a good Idea...

Quoteand please do not consider this a challenges..it is not
sooo let's see if i got it..
short version
the answer to this question is NO..or very few
And are people even "Aware" of the reason for experiencing this little world?

Good I see No Challenge...

Quotebut i'm not sure if i have filtered out the answer to this one
So what is the REAL purpose for our experience?

The Primary purpose with regard to LIFE ("Awareness") is to enjoy and discover more about itself.

This Program (Earth and the individual human Species experiencing this Program "Story")
is to Invoke "The Metamorphose of the Soul and No other Reason".

Quoteafter  saying
I will be only too happy to reveal what I have witnessed which has nothing at all
to do with human religions.

you refer to bible quotes and inferences in my opinion the bible and history as we know it
(written)are both set ups to keep us going in circles..
and religions are only political constructs with their own agendas..imho
so for me that was no help.

Sorry if you misunderstood where I was coming from.

I was only showing that this knowledge, has been corrupted, in order to try and Hide the Truth.
Of Course this is in vain and only drew the parallel to these writings to indicate this knowledge
was once known world wide before the church of Rome got their hands on it, and used it
for their own Political reasons.

As you quite rightly have said, so I do agree with you to a certain point, but in saying this,
there is also a purpose for these religions, in the overall scheme of things, responsible
for invoking the Metamorphosis.
(this involves the Whole "Story" regarding this Experience.)

Quotei do understand what you are saying here but i don't feel it actually answers the question
This "Partition Map" is used in The Souls Processing System which Manifests the "Holograph",
referred to as this "Universe" (Just One of innumerable Universes and Worlds,
unlike any Universe) and "Species" within the Construct rather than "Outside"
as most on earth would have you believe.

Sorry you have lost me on this one...

Please explain what you are getting at...
Quotei also do understand the difference of mind and brain and of "soul" and flesh
i also know how to be in this world and not of it..

but i don't know what your answer is to that particular question of what is our
REAL purpose..at least not from all of those explanatory terms you have shared

perhaps i should have just stopped at this
It is solely about "The Metamorphosis of The Soul".
this i do understand  so what stage do you think we are in?

The Stage any are at, is an individual Phenomena and NOT Collective as many may believe.

Each "Partition" of LIFE embrace the changes at different times.

ALL "Partitions" of LIFE, pass through this Program in the Evolution of the Soul.

This is also a common misunderstanding in "Roman Doctrine", where the Changes
that take Place in the Soul, is Confused with the History of events on Earth
both future and Past.

The Changes taking Place on Earth, are to do with a Change in the Earth's "Thermal Cycle",
where the Seas relocate under the Earth's Crust.

A common feature of many Planetary bodies.

The Seas change at the change over in the "Thermal Cycle", relocating back and forth,
from being above the planets crust, to the underside of the Crust.

This is starting to show more obviously near to Japan, involving the Japan Trench
and the Kuril Trench due to Expansion of the Earth and Activity between the Plates.

Quotemaybe  today i can't see the forrest for the trees .

Quite a normal phenomena for most of us.

Quote]but i guess i would have to agree with Amaterasu here and
I would be most interested in Your story in today's terms.  [smile]

I wrote what I did, to suit both camps....  ;D

Quoteyou also mention
To gain further Understanding of what I am referring to read my forum if you haven't already,
Titled "Processing System" (4 Articles) in their order, shown from 001 onwards.

i looked in your section below and if it's there i apologize for missing it..
but could you give me the direction to it please..

Sorry.... you have to look at the forest and not a single tree...

I was referring to the descriptions regarding the "Processing System" of the Soul.

The "Processing System" I have been describing as well as "Video Interfaces"
with the Other end of the Mind, is used by other Civilizations other than on Earth.

I have been describing both the "Processing System" and a "Transport Interface" (Craft)
as a "demonstration" of a practical use, regarding this knowledge involving
the "Processing System" of the Soul, HOW this little Universe is produced
as well as its "Control Systems" accessed by either ends of the Mind ("Awareness" or LIFE)

Quotei was not at ats at all so i'm at the starting line here..

You haven't missed much then...  ;D
I got pushed out of ATS and All my drawings were removed, well most of them!

This happened when they were supposedly Hacked!

So will leave it up to your Imagination what happened.

Quote..and ...

i thank you for taking the time to put all that down..i do appreciate your doing it

You are most welcome, so if you have other Questions, I will be only too happy to Answer them
IF I can.

But may I suggest reading the Posts under each of the 4 titles a number of times.

The First, Article 0001 in my Forum "Processing System" is describing a "Death Experience",
(Not a NDE) I had in August 1973, where I was pronounced Brain Dead
for more than 30 minutes.

Titles 001 to 003 should be read in their correct order, as it involves an ongoing Story.

The Forums are about the Holographic Universe, HOW "Awareness"
or LIFE came into being, and HOW a "Processing System" was produced
in order to produce complex experiences such as this little Universe.

Regarding this forum
Re: "In the future, I'm right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984"

All is written, a bit Like "Video Game Software", having boundaries, governing
our options in that we only have a given number of options, at any one instance.
The Number of options available, varies depending on each individuals program,
and varies from one moment to the next.

Everything is interactive, so whatever we read see or hear affects our experience.

So yes we need that beer together, or perhaps a few Jim Beams?   8) :)

Now I need that beer...

zorgon

Quote from: sky otter on March 11, 2012, 03:57:54 AM
you refer to bible quotes and inferences
in my opinion the bible and history as we know it (written)are both set ups to keep us going in circles..
and religions are only political constructs with their own agendas..imho :)

Ah but Bible quotes can be useful...

Jesus said...
"The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.' Luke 8:10

There are many hidden truths in old books

One does not have to follow religion... which is merely man's interpretation of past events... to see the value that is hidden there.  The simple fact that the same God is worshiped by three major religions, Judaism, Islam and Christianity is proof of what I say. All three of those differ only in the interpretation of the words, yet do not deny they follow the same God. It is then further complicated by the fact that within these three main groups, there are a myriad of factions... all offshoots created by men who couldn't agree on an interpretation.. and for 2000 plus years thy have been at each others throats...

But one can look beyond religion and see the message :D

zorgon

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 10, 2012, 01:19:56 PM
I see where You are coming from, but what matters is not only WHAT We think about, but HOW We think about it.  For example...  If I were to think about the total devastation of the planet - with no attachment to the thought - I doubt I would create the total devastation of the planet.  If I think of that same thing and revile it, putting energy into negating it, and seeing it as impossible, I stand a better chance of creating something that is not the devastation of the planet.

The force cares not whether it be good or evil.. You cannot destroy a planet because you don't want to. It is simply mind over matter... and a belief that you CAN do it... but we always have doubt, because no matter how much one is told we are so conditioned to NOT believe, that we always have that doubt. 

"For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. " Jesus of Nazareth Mark 4:11

Now modern preachers will tell you that is just an analogy meaning you should have faith...

No he meant it LITERALLY, because here is another quote from Mathew

Matthew 21:
18
     When he was going back to the city in the morning, he was hungry.
19
    Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went over to it, but found nothing on it except leaves. And he said to it, "May no fruit ever come from you again." And immediately the fig tree withered.
20
    When the disciples saw this, they were amazed and said, "How was it that the fig tree withered immediately?"
21
    17 Jesus said to them in reply, "Amen, I say to you, if you have faith and do not waver, not only will you do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' it will be done.
22
    Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive."


I have my own reason for quoting Jesus, that has nothing to do with mankind's religions... but I could easily quote Yoda as well.... (yes he is a puppet :P but those that wrote his lines are not ;) )

Yoda:

"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."

Luke:

"I can't believe it."

Yoda:

"That is why you fail."


You see? the same message. The first in terms of the past 2000 years ago, the second in modern terms. But the message is the same

This is what the true secret societies have been withholding... and with good reason. This ability can be used for evil as well as good. Starwars is actually a very good analogy of what can happen :D


I did a very long thread on this in the early days of our forum. Sadly that was wiped out and I will have to redo it...  Perhaps the Universe doesn't want me spilling the beans yet :P


sky otter

 ;) ;D

well guys
i think we are really all on the same page

all on Parallel roads heading for the same camp

verbage has once again presented the challange of expression


Matrix is going with a very technical explaination of how it works and i have to read it more closely
to see what or how i can work with that

and

Z you have positively proven my point..by comparing and meshing yoda and the bible.. ;D


i'm pretty sure that what i was saying is that once you have read or seen stuff
..it's there in your brain
and agreeing with Amer and yoda.................it's there .........not good or bad...
it's what you do with it

and in regards to these two mentioned books i feel most go to fear.
.at least those that i speak with seems to have gone that way

that emotion is the trigger to bring about what was feared (or loved)
..that you draw to you that which you think about with a strong emotional charge
that you/me/we make it happen

and (i think ) i was trying to point out that....counter to all the written and visual..
where would you/me/us be if we were not so satuarted with outside stuff
and individually created
phew..

i agree totally that we use the bible and starwars as guidelines and/or explanation

all of the secret groups down thur the ages tried to use the force for their purposes
and that was the reason for secrecy ..they all had an agenda.... power
they all created elaborate and lengthy ways to get to the use of power
totally mixing what matrix is referring to (if i understand it) as the flesh and the soul
that's why so few of the rituals actually work...
the flesh slows the soul

ok enough
rambling here cause i think we were all over the place in this and i took off yet again
..gotta luv how that works

really do need a drink now..hahahahahahah
8) ;D ;)

i am limited by these pedestrian emoticons yet again..and laughing at my need for
funny expressive faces to finish a post...

::)

Amaterasu

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 10, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
Hi Amaterasu

...

Thank You, TMT.  I understand exactly what You're saying and glad to see it in such non-religious terms.  [smile]

I had an experience - perhaps I died briefly, I don't know - where I became everything, knew the sparks of Consciousness were as cells of My Being.  I knew everything We see as mortals was Conscious at some level.  Knew that I was experiencing everything subjectively through the nodes that life is, and I was co-creating the Now, that the Now was all there is, and I was rejoicing in all aspects of My Being - even those I (in My simple Human awareness would call "evil."  I was also striving for bliss to win out for all My units...

I saw the holographic nature and the informational essence.

It was ever so brief a look at things - and in that state I comprehended infinity - the infinity I AM.

Now...  I can reenter that place with a thin veil of the small Me and nearly grasp that ALL.  So death no longer frightens and love for all flows.

In looking at Your map...  I saw the star tetrahedron, I saw it as a three-dimensional thing superimposed on the two-dimensional image You provided.

I can only wish everyOne had such an experience.

Off to read Your threads, now.  [smile]
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Amaterasu

Zorg and Sky...

Yes, We are all on the same page.

Rather than see the planet destroyed, I LIVE in its thriving in the abundance paradigm.

The reality of My goals is so tangible to Me.  It is all I focus on.

My ex used to get pissy with Me for always bringing up the abundance paradigm, as if it was not very important.  I KNOW it will come to pass because, as I said...  I live in it.

So I bring it forth in the Now often, thereby to manifest it.

Yes, the basics are hidden in all the dreck that has been added to the central information, and yes, Yoda spoke it just as the prophets.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Somamech


Somamech

Wise soul this one  ;D

QuoteLook, it cannot be seen - it is beyond form.
Listen, it cannot be heard - it is beyond sound.
Grasp, it cannot be held - it is intangible.
These three are indefinable, they are one.

From above it is not bright;
From below it is not dark:
Unbroken thread beyond description.
It returns to nothingness.
Form of the formless,
Image of the imageless,
It is called indefinable and beyond imagination.

Stand before it - there is no beginning.
Follow it and there is no end.
Stay with the Tao, Move with the present.

Knowing the ancient beginning is the essence of Tao.

Source ;)

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/lao.html

Somamech

Regarding 1984. 

Sheesh I only read that book a couple of years ago to much surprise of folks that know me LOL 

TheProphetOmega

Quote from: Somamech on March 11, 2012, 06:12:53 PM
Talk in Taoism so I can understand this  :P ;D

I´ll take the challenge.

Its the trip not the destination, the road becomes home.
But the myriad of roads do not take us "anywhere" we can currently conceive.

This is not real, this is not everything there is, but according to the "plan" if we knew what was going on, we wouldn't delve as deep, or love as  strong, or hate and argue as if our very lives depended on it.
This monkey suit can only grasp so much, the cup is empty, the cup is full, at the same time.

Its not what one says but what one DOES.

If what Huxley and Orwell wrote was more than what it is then it would have already changed the world, same thing with the Bible, we should have already beaten despair and fear, all of us together, but it isn't like that, there are no absolute truths, just roads we must travel alone, and in the crossroads of the Universes share our stories with our fellow travelers, we find similarities, we find discrepancies, we find ourselves reflected in others, and we carry on, its up to us to decide to light the torches, or to find the ones others have left for us.

Knowledge must be shared, it belongs to all of us, and that is what Big Brother fears the most, that one day we start listening to what the invisible in us tells us, instead of the magical lies he told us as truths.
But there are ways and places like this, Huxley and Orwell were both right, Huxley and Orwell were both wrong!


is that Taoist enough for ya Somamech?  ;)

cheers!

NewTheories

Quote from: zorgon on March 11, 2012, 11:50:01 AM
"For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. " Jesus of Nazareth Mark 4:11

Now modern preachers will tell you that is just an analogy meaning you should have faith...

Not sure but in Matrix Processing System Context we might be able to look at that Parable another way, the Grain might relate to the Inner Mind, and the Mountain the Outer Mind.

The Faith is between the Two Ends of The Mind.

Not forgetting the Faith needed to Receive the Man Child Download as well of course which is what the CHRIST is all about?.