actually being pres was never the goal but a damn good way to get more recognition..
can we say that the repug nom was a case of hoist on your on petard
..well maybe the russians will watch
Donald Trump May Launch TV Venture After Election
Son-in-law and top adviser Jared Kushner reportedly "approached" a firm specializing in media deals.
10/17/2016 11:10 am ET | Updated 49 minutes ago
NEW YORK ? Can Donald Trump turn voters into viewers?
There have been rumblings for months that the media-obsessed former reality star's endgame is to launch a media company after the election to capitalize on the support he's received.
That theory gained more traction Monday as the Financial Times reported that Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner spoke with a boutique media deal-making firm about the prospect of launching a television network. Kushner, who owns the New York Observer, contacted LionTree founder and chief executive Aryeh Bourkoff within the past couple months, according to the paper.
Trump denied last month that he's had any talks about starting a media company, whether alongside disgraced former Fox News chairman Roger Ailes, who has recently advised him, or other conservative media figures. Ailes reportedly has a non-compete clause that could prevent him from launching a Fox News competitor.
But a source close to Trump told HuffPost the Republican nominee assumes Ailes would be involved in a post-election media venture, presuming that a compensation package large enough would entice him in.
"Trump is saying, 'I'm not going to give up trying to be president, but just in case it doesn't happen, I want to have a voice for me and my people ... we will not lose the voice we've built,'" the source said.
The Republican nominee often refers to "the stunningly large numbers of persons who voted for me in the primary," according to the source.
Vanity Fair reported in June on Trump's media plans and noted that Kushner said at a dinner party how "the people here don't understand what I'm seeing" and that "you go to these arenas and people go crazy for him." The New York Times added in August that Trump and Kushner had "quietly explored becoming involved with a media holding, either by investing in one or by taking one over."
Kushner, the scion of a New Jersey real estate family who married Trump's daughter Ivanka in 2009, has been one of Trump's closest advisers. One Trump source recently told The New Yorker that Kushner ? who keeps a low profile and rarely gives interviews ? has been Trump's "real campaign manager."
A Kushner representative didn't respond to a request for comment on Monday.
In addition to Kushner and Ailes,Trump could presumably also turn to Steve Bannon, who left the conservative nationalist news site Breitbart in August to head up Trump's campaign. Bannon has previously said he'd return to Breitbart after the election.
It's unprecedented for a major party nominee to be considering how to profit off his support before an election's over. And conversations about a post-election media startup reportedly began long before Trump's poll numbers dropped.
While speculation has centered around the idea of "Trump TV," launching an entirely new cable television channel would be very difficult and costly.
The Al Jazeera Media Network spent $500 million to buy Current TV as a way to gain distribution into 60 million homes for a future U.S.-based channel. The Qatar-owned media company, which built a large-scale television operation based in New York, lost another half a billion dollars before shutting down after two years of failing to attract an audience.
Trump could go the subscription-based digital TV route ? though another conservative media star, Sarah Palin, failed to make such a venture work.
The source close to Trump suggested he'd likely seek well-financed partners who already have the advertising and cable distribution in place, rather than trying to start from scratch.
"They've always partnered with somebody who had money and know how," the source said. "They wouldn't say, 'Let's go start a media empire.' They'd say, 'Let's see who already has access to cable.'"
This story has been updated to include comments from a source close to Donald Trump and a tweet from Mike Allen.
oh yeah for the lazies
Shakespeare's phrase, "hoist with his own petard," is an idiom that means "to be harmed by one's own plan to harm someone else" or "to fall into one's own trap", implying that one could be lifted (blown) upward by one's own bomb, or in other words, be foiled by one's own plan.
Trump supporters are so obsessed with rejecting the establishment/elite, they would vote for the elite billionaire Trump if he molested a woman in front of them. Reason has nothing to do with it! ::)
PI, that statement reflects an incorrect understanding of the American political condition. Most of the people who are supporting Trump see a far better America with him as President! :o
Quote from: rdunk on October 18, 2016, 06:19:01 AM
Most of the people who are supporting Trump see a far better America with him as President! :o
Why?
I have suspected this for a long time. I'm not claiming to be anything close to an expert on Trump, but I had seen him in enough different contexts before this election to know, that close to not a single word that he has uttered in relation to it, has been sincere or the truth.
I believe that both Trump and Bernie were decoys who were working in collusion with Hillary; the point being for both of them to forfeit or be removed at some point, so that things would still appear plausibly "democratic," but with it simply being a case of Hillary being the last person standing. Trump is the rural white supremacist candidate, while Bernie was given to the Occupy Wall Street demographic. Both groups predictably and enthusiastically fell for their appointed pawn, hook, line, and sinker.
Bernie somewhat predictably also tried to revolt at the last minute, but threats were apparently issued to his family, so he capitulated. Trump will either forfeit voluntarily at some point, or will have his remaining credibility destroyed with additional manufactured scandals.
Quote from: rdunk on October 18, 2016, 06:19:01 AM
PI, that statement reflects an incorrect understanding of the American political condition. Most of the people who are supporting Trump see a far better America with him as President! :o
What policy does he have that would make America better?
Quote from: Pimander on October 18, 2016, 04:44:26 PM
What policy does he have that would make America better?
What he and his government will do is save the United States of America from continuing down the path to virtual destruction!! Right not the borders are essentially open, at Obama's insistence. And most every thing else this country has always stood for in this world is going to hell in a hand basket!! Trump is at least is promising to make corrections in all pf the places that direly need correcting.
I am not even sure what is the right word for where this country in heading on it present course - which is pretty much the course Hillary promises to continue even further, toward Fascism/Marxism/anarchy/etc/etc.
A major piece of the good of this country has related to a Supreme Court that judges according to Constitutional Law, not making law. And Hillary has strongly committed to further fill the Supreme court with her far left leaning Saul Aliniskyite type of people.
Hillary has committed to do away with several of the Constitutional Amendments. Her commitment is to have"open borders"!!
........AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An election Of Hillary Clinton as the president of this country would virtually destroy this country's ability to continue to be a formidable force of good for this world!!
Quote from: ArMaP on October 18, 2016, 08:55:30 AM
Why?
Because he is a BUSINESSMAN not a politician... why is it so hard for you guys to see that this one fact is a HUGE difference? Just this morning I got new insurance and the Agent menrtioned that what this country needs is a businessman running it
The USA and all the local governments right down to city and county level are CORPORATIONS and its about time they get run like one :P With accountability to shareholders (We the people...)
It is really very simple... all the carreer policians care about is keeping their cushy seats at the public trough, trump is rich and doesn't need it, just like Kennedy was. Let's just hope the same fate isn't in Trump's cards if he gets in
Quote from: Pimander on October 18, 2016, 04:44:26 PM
What policy does he have that would make America better?
Closing the border to illegals for one :P I know many mexicans who worked hard to come here legally that will vote for him because of that promise. (Trump did get 45% of the Hispanic vote in the primaries in las Vegas)
Quote from: zorgon on October 18, 2016, 10:02:59 PM
With accountability to shareholders (We the people...)
That's where I think that idea fails.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 19, 2016, 12:08:03 AM
That's where I think that idea fails.
I could not agree more. Only people with money are shareholders.
rdunk, you named no policy, you just blathered about Hilary Clinton. If Trump wins that is nothing to do with it. I find the whole thing rather pathetic.
Hating the establishment is not a manifesto for governing the wealthiest country on the planet.
Pimander, maybe you should take the time to read what I posted a time or two more. I think I covered both pretty well. Hillary is going to take the country on over the cliff of no return for our country, and Donald Trump is committed to working to save it, with a huge host of stated "policy" intentions - if you really want to know the finite details, you can easily find them on the net, or listen to some of is speeches.
If you are interested, here is one video wherein Trump does cover several of his policy issues!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3Cpf_Wkco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3Cpf_Wkco)
Quote from: rdunk on October 19, 2016, 01:11:49 AM
Pimander, maybe you should take the time to read what I posted a time or two more. I think I covered both pretty well.
No you didn't. Saying one candidtate is going to "take a country over the cliff" or whatever and the other is not is not explaining what I asked.
I'll put the question in a clearer way. What, in your opinion, of Trump's policies , is going to sort out these problems? If you can't say it starts to sound like a personality cult rather than a political choice to vote for Trump
And stop going on about Clinton. Lets say she wasn't even who he was standing against. I don't think Clinton is the answer either.
Pimander, if I were going to go into all of the details here, I would have been doing it here all along. But, as has been said, politics is not an item of delight here.
This is not Hillary's first run at the politics bucket, and she has so much very well known unacceptable political performance outcomes that should have disqualified her for any office, much less for the top job in the nation. Without a mainstream media that fails to tell the whole and true story about her, she likely would be on her way to jail, rather than on the ticket for president.
Of course, Trump does openly admit that as a businessman, he has played the politicians too!!
Just very briefly some of Trumps policies are:
1. Close the borders for everything except legal immigration - with a wall
2. Rebuild the military, which 8 years of Obama has devastated
3. Rework the tax system, including drastic reduction of biusiness tax
4. Schools back to totally state guided - no common core
5. Reformation of imports. with import taxes that discourage companies moving mnaufacturing out of country.
6. Reform the coal policies for restarting coal mines/labor
7. Work toward Constitutionally limiting term limits for Senators and Congressmen/Congresswomen - not lifetime jobs
8. No mainstream govt healthcare
9 No global warming stuff
etc/etc
Here is a comparison of candidates with some additional information:
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Quote from: rdunk on October 18, 2016, 09:30:00 PM
What he and his government will do is save the United States of America from continuing down the path to virtual destruction!!
There is a concept I'd like to introduce you to here, rdunk. One that I think could help you rather a lot.
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Operational_definition
I'm not an atheist, but that doesn't stop me from ideologically stealing from their more useful elements, here and there. They of course wouldn't mind at all, because they want every possible footsoldier in their army anyway.
But to my point. An operational definition of something, is a definition that is specific enough to be tested, via mathematical or other means. The definition, in my mind at least, of whether or not something is testably true, is if I can then use the answer of said tests, as the basis of either forward or reverse tests, (derivative or recursive, respectively) and have said subsequent tests work.
So when you say, for example, that Obama is destroying the country; I would agree with you, but the main specific way in which he is, that I know about, is that he is authorising the use of drones to kill people remotely.
Notice what I've done, here; I've reduced a vague, irreduceable statement, (Obama is destroying the country) to one which is specifically verifiable (Obama is authorising the use of drones) and is therefore proveably correct or incorrect.
This is the type of thinking which led me to believe that the World Trade Center was destroyed via controlled demolition involving thermite, for instance. I went and learned about the thermal, visual, and audial byproducts of thermite, and on looking at the eyewitness testimony from 9/11, I discovered that all of said byproducts or symptoms were accounted for during and after the incident. In other words, it looked, walked, and quacked like a duck to a sufficient degree that to me it was clear that it was a duck. I also did not believe that what happened was consistent with the byproducts that I would expect from such scenarios as the use of underground tactical nuclear weapons, for example.
This is not anti-Christian, either; Jesus was extremely logical in his thinking. The statement that a good tree can only produce good fruit, essentially means that positive or negative acts, are ultimately committed for no other reason than because they reflect the moral nature of the actor. This may not seem to be true even in the actor's own mind; there have been mass murderers who told themselves that they were still trying to help people. It is, however, true on an ultimate basis.
QuoteRight not the borders are essentially open, at Obama's insistence.
One thing I've never been able to understand, is why some of you apparently think that your country being flooded with hordes of South American women, would somehow be a negative thing. ;)
QuoteAnd most every thing else this country has always stood for in this world is going to hell in a hand basket!!
Although I've been much more negative on this point than I probably should have been, in reality America's current degeneracy can be reduced down to a single cause; over-extension. Anything which is Yang or positively polarised, must be small by definition; the larger the thing in question grows, the greater the likelihood that the polarity of said thing will switch to Yin, which is entropic or dissipatory.
Such is occurring now, with America. There have been too many foreign bases built, and the country has got itself into far too many of other people's arguments; arguments in which America never really had any genuine interest in, or should not have.
The American national natal chart, like Caesar himself, is solar Cancerian. Cancer as a sign can be imperialistic; but said empire grows in exceptionally small increments, over a long period of time. The American government didn't fight a single war to take over the planet, like Germany tried to. The American strategy was incremental; gradual. A single treaty here, a lone foreign military base there. Then you wake up one morning and realise that a latter day version of Rome has suddenly sprung up underneath you while you were asleep. Empires are like weeds; they grow so slowly that it's invisible, but once you let the seeds in, eventually the garden will get overgrown and everything else will be choked.
You need to correct that. Empire is not good for anybody. No matter how altruistic or noble the origin or host country of any empire starts out being, empire will always corrupt them in the end. Empire destroys congruence. You end up with lots of influences which might be completely contradictory to what you were initially trying to accomplish.
Close the foreign bases. Bring the troops home. Use clean, renewable energy instead of oil., and do whatever else is necessary to establish real independence in international terms. That is what I think America as a country should be doing, at this point. The neocons have not learned yet, that there is no such thing as non-reciprocal dominance. You can claim to dominate someone else as much as you like, but if they have something you need, (like oil) then the simple reality is that they have power over you, no matter how many guns or tanks or planes or nuclear bombs you might have. Bomb an oil field with nuclear weapons, and if you are reliant on that oil, then you lose just as much as the native people who lived there.
QuoteI am not even sure what is the right word for where this country in heading on it present course - which is pretty much the course Hillary promises to continue even further, toward Fascism/Marxism/anarchy/etc/etc.
The reason why there isn't a single word for Hillary's ideology, is because Hillary isn't following an ideology herself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDDswGsJ60
Mark Knopfler describes very well in this song, precisely what Hillary is motivated by. The desire to have a never-ending stream of massive amounts of money and power, in exchange for nothing of positive value to anyone else at all. Being a tyrant isn't necessarily about affirmatively getting what you want, as much as it is about making sure that no one else can
prevent you from getting what you want. We normally think of proactivity as a positive thing; but not in the case of psychopaths.
QuoteA major piece of the good of this country has related to a Supreme Court that judges according to Constitutional Law, not making law. And Hillary has strongly committed to further fill the Supreme court with her far left leaning Saul Aliniskyite type of people.
Nepotism or cronyism is one of the major downsides with Cancerian energy, yes. Patriotism is only really nepotism on a geopolitical scale. It's a case of thinking that your people are better or more desirable than anyone else's, purely because they are
your people. Then everyone else has the same mentality, and before you know it, you're firing ICBMs at each other, while the UFOs look on in horror.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDmbLZC_zgk
gold to pets r us..
as a female i am offended by him
as a citizen i am offended by him
as a thinking adult i am offended by him
only a few headlines..
WORLDPOST
Ecuador Admits Cutting Julian Assange's Internet Over Election Meddling
WikiLeaks has published hacked documents from Democratic officials, including information pertaining to Hillary Clinton.
10/18/2016 06:45 pm ET | Updated 11 hours ago
Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa has long backed Assange's right to free speech and has also supported Clinton publicly.
"For the good of the United States and the world ... I would like Hillary to win," he told broadcaster Russia Today last month.
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Watch Women Explain Why Trump's Comments Are More Than 'Just Words'
"It happens every day."
10/18/2016 04:02 pm ET | Updated 17 hours ago
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http://testkitchen.huffingtonpost.com/a-timeline-of-women-accusing-donald-trump/2/
On October 8, The Washington Post published footage from 2005 of serial misogynist Donald Trump bragging that as a famous man, he can get away with
anything
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www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/
Trump: I could 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/28/donald-trumps-defense-of-not-paying-taxes-is-remarkable/
Donald Trump's defenses of not paying taxes pretty much say it allallBy Aaron Blake October 2
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/presidential-race-causes-spike-in-crisis-center-calls/ar-AAj7oMK?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U348DHP
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Based on what Ive seen so far, both options are total failures at convincing anyone we are headed for success and rebirth of this great nation.
That being said, recombining efforts to rekindle the oneness we shared as a nation, which was lost during the industrial revolution at the behest of big money, is the key here, and the divisiveness of great minds being polarized has been a downfall any true observer could not deny.
Ballyhoo on all you want, but neither candidate offers any hope for a rise back to greatness, unless those whose votes they shill on for remember how to use the hermetic principles to solve our most complex issues.
That would be all of us, previously divided, or not, coming together to see the heinous nature of the underbelly of our so called leadership, and its quest for full and total world domination over the "serfs" they have so mistakenly named as such...us.
Good luck to you all in the coming months, evil will be exposed for all to see, and answers will come with quickening pace, hopefully in the form of solutions, and not just more knee jerk reactions in the form of death, and war...
Of that we shall see indeed.
Cheers
Le
Quote from: rdunk on October 19, 2016, 02:16:54 AM
This is not Hillary's first run at the politics bucket, and she has so much very well known unacceptable political performance outcomes that should have disqualified her for any office, much less for the top job in the nation. Without a mainstream media that fails to tell the whole and true story about her, she likely would be on her way to jail, rather than on the ticket for president.
You did it again. I specifically said I don't think she is the answer and for the sake of argument lets pretend Trump could be against anyone. However good or bad Hilary is is irrelevant to whether Trump's policies are anything more than hot air.
And you still failed to explain how the policies will help with the real problems in the USA and world. I was definitely not looking for a list of policies.... If the policies are not real solutions (just simple answers to complicated problems) then there is no point having them.
Quote from: Littleenki on October 19, 2016, 04:20:27 PM
Based on what Ive seen so far, both options are total failures at convincing anyone we are headed for success and rebirth of this great nation.
Precisely. 8)
Unfortunately for us "NONE OF THE ABOVE" is NOT an option :P
Quote from: space otter on October 19, 2016, 03:17:47 PM
gold to pets r us..
as a female i am offended by him
as a citizen i am offended by him
as a thinking adult i am offended by him
So I take it you won't be voting for Donald? :P
::)
I should frequent this site more frequently now that Le and petrus4 are back and y'all have become involved. Lol.
Greetings from St Augustine and Hurricane Matthew.
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tfw
You should yes :P considering you are an admin :P
Paranoia?
Working with Vince von Doom on the DSN Magazine and publishing the Pete Santilli exclusive message from behind federal prison walls made me much hotter than I wuz.
Lol.
Two computer meltdowns and an illegal writ of possession got me evicted and on the street.
Coincidence!
Currently on the road doing disaster relief in the hopes of building a nest egg so as to survive the coming winter indoors.
From the tablet in North Carolina.
tfw
Z said
So I take it you won't be voting for Donald? :P
wow ::) ya got it in one....
right or wrong i have always felt i was voting for someone..
this year it is definitely the lesser of two evils
i wish i could believe that the bernie youngins would see it as a sign they need to be more involved ..but i fear it will only chase them away.
we're pretty much screwed anyway ya want to look at it
Interesting - - Trump is saying that if he is elected as President he will not accept the annual salary for a President. I suppose that would be a first, as I think it could possibly be a big surprise win for Trump - not a surprise for Trump, but a big surprise for all of the naysayers!! 8)
(https://s15.postimg.org/ah0bf0q2j/Screen_Shot_2016_10_19_at_6_03_38_PM.jpg)
Hillary will win, and when she does, every single person who advocated her winning, will learn to wish that they had voted for Trump instead.
The only real difference between these two is that Hillary knows what she can and can not say in front of a camera; but I honestly think she is more malevolent. She's just also better at hiding it.
Remember; there is no moral difference between the two parties. The difference is that the Republicans are openly psychopathic, while Obama as a Democrat makes Utopian speeches in public, and orders drone killings behind closed doors. Hillary will do the same.
Donald Trump Jr.:
Becoming President Would Be 'A Step Down' For My Father
That'll convince voters.
10/20/2016 12:00 am ET | Updated 33 minutes ago
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-step-down_us_58083b7be4b0b994d4c42fcf?section=
Quote from: zorgon on October 19, 2016, 08:16:48 PM
Unfortunately for us "NONE OF THE ABOVE" is NOT an option :P
Well too bad Obama cant get a third term right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nt2JbCg2z4
"Something" makes me feel I will problably miss the guy, i mean... the options are :'(
Ps. I find funny he says in that speech "no one is above the law, not even the president" ::)
Richard Branson Recalls 'Bizarre' Lunch With Revenge-Obsessed Trump
The Virgin founder is the latest billionaire to trash the Republican nominee.
Richard Branson skewered Donald Trump on Friday, describing a "bizarre" meeting at some point in the past that left the British billionaire "disturbed and saddened."
In a blog post on his website, the Virgin founder said the Republican nominee invited him over "some years ago" for a one-on-one lunch at his gilded Manhattan apartment. Soon after sitting down to the meal, Branson said, Trump launched into a vicious tirade, vowing vengeance on people who'd refused to lend him money during one of his six bankruptcies.
"Even before the starters arrived he began telling me about how he had asked a number of people for help after his latest bankruptcy and how five of them were unwilling to help," Branson, 66, wrote. "He told me he was going to spend the rest of his life destroying these five people."
Branson said Trump "didn't speak about anything else."
"I was baffled why he had invited me to lunch solely to tell me this," Branson wrote. "For a moment, I even wondered if he was going to ask me for financial help. If he had, I would have become the sixth person on his list!"
Valued at about $5 billion, Branson is now one of several people in the so-called "three comma club" to criticize Trump.
Warren Buffett, the world's third richest person with $64.5 billion, admonished Trump earlier this month for refusing to release his tax returns. Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, worth about $3.3 billion, has repeatedly antagonized Trump on Twitter and in the press. Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, whose wealth Forbes puts at about $43.6 billion, has called him "risky and reckless" and questioned the former reality TV star's net worth.
Trump's actual net worth is unclear. The real estate mogul claims to be worth $10 billion, but Forbes pegs his wealth at $3.7 billion. Bloomberg's Billionaire Index valued him at $3 billion, and Tim O'Brien, a former Huffington Post editor and author of a book about Trump, claimed last year that the mogul could be worth as little as $150 million.
Even Charles and David Koch, the billionaire conservative megadonors, have refused to back Trump for president. Charles, worth $42.1 billion, compared Trump's proposed policies on Muslims to those of a Nazi. David, valued at $17.5 billion, pulled his support for the Republican National Convention in July after it was clear Trump would be the party's nominee.
"What concerns me most, based upon my personal experiences with Donald Trump, is his vindictive streak, which could be so dangerous if he got into the White House," wrote Branson, who, as a British citizen, cannot vote in the U.S. election. "For somebody who is running to be the leader of the free world to be so wrapped up in himself, rather than concerned with global issues, is very worrying."
By contrast, Branson said, the conversation at the first one-on-one lunch he shared with Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton revolved around education reform, the war on drugs, women's rights, conflicts around the world and the death penalty.
"She was a good listener as well as an eloquent speaker," he wrote. "As she understands well, the President of the United States needs to understand and be engaged with wider world issues, rather than be consumed by petty personal quarrels."
Editor's note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.
10/21/2016 01:48 pm ET
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/richard-branson-trump_us_580a45b4e4b000d0b15658d8?section=
1. When Branson supposedly had this time with Trump "at some point in the past", it certainly was before Trump was likely years before running for President.
2. Does anyone really care about whether the very few (in reality) "3 comma people" choose to not support Trump? :) Quite a few of the "3 comma people" are at the heart of many of the things not supported by the people of this country, like globalism, man-made climate change, and etc.
2. This piece is very obviously written by someone (Editor's note) who is also anti-Trump, because his/her litany proffered in the editors note is pretty much democratic talking-points/slander! As far as Trump's commitment relative to Muslim integration which I heard directly several times (on tv) from Trump, was to simply suspend Muslim integration until "vetting them" was possible - because of today's Islamic terrorism world wide, that suspension/stopping is absolutely necessary.
British magazine The Economist ran a cover for their latest edition that sums up the world's sentiments on at least one-half of the American political system better than all the commentary in an entire year stateside — and all they needed was a single picture and 5 words.
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http://www.gopocalypse.org/british-magazine-sums-up-the-2016-republican-party-in-one-perfect-picture-image/
Quote from: space otter on October 22, 2016, 04:35:12 AM
British magazine The Economist ran a cover for their latest edition that sums up the world's sentiments on at least one-half of the American political system better than all the commentary in an entire year stateside — and all they needed was a single picture and 5 words.
The same magazine that portrait the Russian President like this?
(https://s14.postimg.org/jy76is4wh/image.jpg)
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist (https://twitter.com/TheEconomist)
Yes, very respectful, unbiased and not propaganda machine magazine right? ::)
You know, Im starting to want HC get the chair... lets see how Syria "issue" will unfold.
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Im afraid, in a very near future, the button they are pushing in the picture above will not be the reset one. And I was very sceptical about a war with nuclear exchanges not a while ago.
Quote from: rdunk on October 20, 2016, 12:09:07 AM
Interesting - - Trump is saying that if he is elected as President he will not accept the annual salary for a President. I suppose that would be a first,
Actually kennedy did the same...
The annual salary for President is a mere few hundred thousand... probably what Donald makes on his holdings in an hour :P
Quote from: zorgon on October 22, 2016, 05:57:31 AM
Actually kennedy did the same...
The annual salary for President is a mere few hundred thousand... probably what Donald makes on his holdings in an hour :P
Then I guess we can suppose that in his mind, that would pretty much amount to just "Trump-change"
instead of................!! 8) (https://s13.postimg.org/xhdzylo2v/Screen_Shot_2016_10_22_at_12_49_54_AM.jpg)
Trump and Clinton remained sharply at odds over his unprecedented assertion in the final debate on Wednesday that he may not concede if he loses. She said Friday at a Cleveland campaign stop, "Make no mistake: By doing that, he is threatening our democracy." She said that America knows "the difference between leadership and dictatorship."
Trump has said he's merely reserving the right to contest the results if the outcome is unclear or questionable. Underpinning his threat is his contention — presented with no evidence — that the election is "rigged" against him and may be soiled by widespread voter fraud. He's urged supporters to "monitor" polling places for potential shenanigans.
Fanning those flames, Russia's government has asked Oklahoma and two other states to allow Russian officials to be present at polling stations on Election Day, to study the "U.S. experience in organization of voting process." Allegations by the U.S. government that Russia is trying to influence the election by hacking Democratic groups has fed a Clinton camp claim that Russian President Vladimir Putin is siding with Trump.
The Oklahoma secretary of state's office said Friday it had denied the Russian request, in line with state law. At the White House, press secretary Josh Earnest said it was unclear what Moscow was trying to do.
"It's appropriate that people might be suspicious of their motives," Earnest said.
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Associated Press writers Jill Colvin and Jonathan Lemire contributed to this report.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-tv-ad-hits-trump-hard-he-promises-an-all-out-effort/ar-AAjg7dD?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U348DHP
Space Otter said, "Trump and Clinton remained sharply at odds over his unprecedented assertion in the final debate on Wednesday that he may not concede if he loses."
Which, IMO, should be the response of any "thinking" person to the yet unknown outcome of a future event, especially with the known election tactics of the Democratic party.
Space Otter said, " Underpinning his threat is his contention — presented with no evidence — that the election is "rigged" against him and may be soiled by widespread voter fraud.
No, there is plenty of evidence around, if one just pays a small bit of attention. At that time, Trump was including the mainstream media, but since even a very compelling video has been released relative to how the protests at Trump events have been staged and paid for by the Democrats
............and based upon the FACT that numerous past Presidential elections have had significant voting result questions/challenges, Trumps answer was right on point!!
And now there is this video!!........Note how one Democratic operative has been fired, and another has resigned, but the "narrative" of the Democrats at the table in this video still say "the maker of the video cannot be trusted". The Democratic powers-that-be must have trusted it enough to get rid of at least 2 people already!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwuh9jkobBM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwuh9jkobBM)
Quote from: rdunk on October 21, 2016, 10:58:41 PM
This piece is very obviously written by someone (Editor's note) who is also anti-Trump, because his/her litany proffered in the editors note is pretty much democratic talking-points/slander!
The editors note is the cold hard facts about Trump. :P
The facts are that it does not matter what the view of the writer is. It is a report about what Branson has told the journalist. It must be true because if it was not then Trump could sue Branson and The Huffington Post for defamation. It confirms what most of the world already know about Trump. He is obviously a nasty and very dangerous person who has come perilously close to having too much power. He is clearly a sociopath and not the sort of person you'd pick to lead a nation.
just a very small caveat on the 'space otter says' part..
it really should be space otter 'posted'..
(because what i do say is usually in this lime green color - for clarity)
and while i may or may not be in agreement with what is posted written in the articles.. it wasn't me speaking
thank you very much for future correctness
:)
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Quote from: Pimander on October 22, 2016, 06:46:48 PM
The editors note is the cold hard facts about Trump. :P
The facts are that it does not matter what the view of the writer is. It is a report about what Branson has told the journalist. It must be true because if it was not then Trump could sue Branson and The Huffington Post for defamation. It confirms what most of the world already know about Trump. He is obviously a nasty and very dangerous person who has come perilously close to having too much power. He is clearly a sociopath and not the sort of person you'd pick to lead a nation.
Pimander, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS!! My guess is that your "what most of the world already knows about Trump" is for people, like you maybe in this case, who simply accept as fact whatsoever the mainstream news media and the Democratic party spews out about Trump!~! The specific wording adjectives used in this article are so DNC typical, and so wrong, in their characterization of the man who is running for President!!
Your definition of Trump as a "Sociopath"~~~ now that is a real laugh!! Not even close!! :P
And, with all that said, I will make my first prediction on this - Donald trump will soon become the next President of the United States of America!!
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A more detailed video of the proof of DNC planned, staged, and paid violence" at Trump rallies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY)
Quote from: rdunk on October 22, 2016, 09:15:49 PM
My guess is that your "what most of the world already knows about Trump" is for people, like you maybe in this case, who simply accept as fact whatsoever the mainstream news media and the Democratic party spews out about Trump!~!
That has to be one of the most ridiculous things to say about me. ::)
I don't take what the MSM says about many things at face value. But in the case of Trump I don't have to. I can base my views on observing him and taking HIS OWN WORDS to form my own opinion.
QuoteYour definition of Trump as a "Sociopath"~~~ now that is a real laugh!! Not even close!! :P
Lets take what the professionals think of him then.
QuoteAccording to a number of top U.S. psychologists, like Harvard professor and researcher Howard Gardner, Donald Trump is a "textbook" narcissist. In fact, he fits the profile so well that clinical psychologist George Simon told Vanity Fair, "He's so classic that I'm archiving video clips of him to use in workshops." This puts Trump in the same category as a number of infamous dictators like Muammar Gaddafi, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Saddam Hussein.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/a-neuroscientist-explains-trump-has-a-mental-disorder-that-makes-him-a-dangerous-world-leader/
According to the Mayo Clinic, narcissistic personality disorder is "a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others."
Less Than Artful Choices: Narcissistic Personality Disorder According to Donald Trump (http://bigthink.com/artful-choice/less-than-artful-choices-narcissistic-personality-disorder-according-to-donald-trump)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYb5YXl3Nfc
If you want to try to convince anyone of the truth of political matters, do not proffer leftist/progressive agenda people such as Harvard professors and MSNBC news reporting!! :o :o.......... ;D
Quote from: rdunk on October 23, 2016, 04:00:14 AM
If you want to try to convince anyone of the truth of political matters,
Strictly speaking, it isn't really a political matter. His personality isn't a policy. I do find it interesting though.
The truth is lots of politicians have Narcissistic tendencies. I do though give the story more credence than the idea Hilary is about to drop dead. ;D
Hillary's MASSIVE MELTDOWN "If that f - - - ing bastard wins, we all hang from nooses! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfGeXth-Do4)
Yes, I saw that yesterday! And I thought............and this is the woman so many people will be voting for to be the President of our country!!!!!
But, characterizations of Hillary Clinton here are very similar to many other past situations wherein she totally loses control in what she says and how she displays herself to others, especially those who are working for her. A really sad situational case for America, for someone like that to be in the running for President. - - - But it is what it is!! :o :o
you always have to consider the source of the info
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-threw-a-tantrum-with-matt-lauer/
CLAIM: Hillary Clinton threw a tantrum, and a water glass, after NBC's "Commander-in-Chief" Forum in September 2016.
FALSE
EXAMPLE: [Collected via e=mail, October 2016]
DEMOCRAT HILLARY CLINTON'S BEHIND THE SCENES TIRADE AFTER NBC's MATT LAUER ASKED CLINTON THE ONE QUESTION SHE HAD NOT PRE-APPROVED. Was her foul-mouth tirade for real?
ORIGIN:Rumors holding that Hillary Clinton had a "meltdown," threw a water glass at a staffer, and engaged in a curse-filled tirade following NBC's Commander-in-Chief Forum with have been circulating since the Democratic presidential nominee participated in that forum, which aired on 7 September 2016. While these rumors do seem to be rooted in a little truth — the Clinton campaign was not happy with the questions Lauer asked (or didn't ask) during the event &mdash claims that Clinton threw a "hissy fit" are unfounded.
The web site Victurus Libertas was the first to promulgate this rumor, publishing an article entitled "Temper! Temper! Hillary Goes on Rampage for Over An Hour — Throwing Glass at Staffer's Head." Although Victurus Libertas linked to credible reports from NY Mag and Yahoo! News which explained that Clinton's campaign was miffed with Lauer for not fact-checking Donald Trump during the event, they cited Politicoas their source for the claim that Clinton had thrown a water glass at a staffer:
And Politico's headlines read: "Liberals Lash Out at Lauer, NBC". It seems to me, no one is "lashing out" but Hillary.
Hillary's meltdown included throwing a water glass at a staffer — narrowly missing her head, and demanding Matt Lauer be fired! She was overheard threatening executives at NBC saying "If I lose, we all go down and that Fascist frig will have us swinging from nooses! What the frig is wrong with you idiots?"
None of this information appeared in the cited Politico report, however.
Politico did publish an article entitled "Liberals Lash Out at Lauer, NBC," reporting that Clinton's campaign and supporters were upset with interviewer Lauer for posing "unbalanced questions":
At an event that saw both Clinton and conservative challenger Donald Trump challenged on their stances toward national defense and foreign policy, liberal operatives and Clinton supporters took exception to what they perceived as unbalanced questions, criticizing Lauer for failing to push back on false statements by Trump and for spending a significant amount of time on Clinton's email scandal.
But Politico but they did not report that Hillary Clinton threw a water glass at anyone's head, threatened to fire Matt Lauer, or called Donald Trump a "fascist frig." All of that was invented by Victurus Libertas in an apparent attempt to smear the Democratic candidate, and it served as the basis for a longer, highly embellished version of the rumor that began circulating via e-mail in October 2016:
Subject: Matt Lauer & Hillary what REALLY happened....
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AT THE NBC PRESIDENTIAL FORUM WITH MATT LAUER?
DEMOCRAT HILLARY CLINTON'S BEHIND THE SCENES TIRADE AFTER NBC's MATT LAUER ASKED CLINTON ONE QUESTION SHE HAD NOT PRE-APPROVED.
VETERAN NBC CAMERAMAN: 'YOU REALLY HAD TO SEE THIS TO BELIEVE IT...SHE CAME APART – LITERALLY UNGLUED; SHE IS THE MOST FOUL-MOUTHED WOMAN I'VE EVER HEARD...AND THAT VOICE AT SCREECH LEVEL...AWFUL!'
"SHE LOOKED SO ENRAGED THAT WE ALL THOUGHT HER HEAD WOULD EXPLODE...IT WAS A FULL-ON MELT-DOWN, AND THEN SHE SCREAMED SHE'D GET THAT F – – – ING LAUER FIRED FOR THIS. IT WENT ON FOR AT LEAST A HALF HOUR; WE ALL THOUGHT THE EMS WOULD BE THE NEXT CALL."
NBC Associate Producer of Forum:
Behind the scenes, NBC technicians and cameramen at the Wednesday night, Commander-in-Chief Forum (Sept 7) report that Hillary Clinton was so angry and incensed that she had been 'blind-sided' by one question she was not prepared for and had not approved in advance.
"When her time in front of the cameras ended, Clinton shook the hand Lauer extended to her and smiled once more for the wide camera shot and then Hillary proceeded to pick up a full glass of water and threw it at the face of her assistant and the screaming started. She was in a full meltdown and no one on her staff dared speak with her – she went kind of manic and didn't have any control over herself at that point. How these people work with this woman is amazing to me. Most of the small military audience were cordoned off, their seating not close to Mrs. Clinton, but certainly they heard her screaming because it was loud...and she really didn't seem to care who heard any of it."
Republican Donald Trump also appeared, in a separate telecast from Hillary Clinton's and arrived with his two sons but no entourage or assistants in tow. The NBC cameramen involved in his segment said he was a 'true gentleman' and Trump and his sons spoke to everyone and thanked them for inviting him to speak: "It was a pleasure to answer your questions Matt."
Hillary Clinton's segment was much different. According to people working on the sidelines, "When Matt posed the one legitimate question about the FBI investigation concerning her homemade server and the unsecured emails, we could see she was beginning to boil and her eyes looked to pop."
"It was toward the end of her interview so she was becoming unglued by the time Lauer finished with questioning. Hillary went ballistic, throwing a huge tantrum and screaming at her staff, "you f – – – ing idiots, you were supposed to have this thing set up for me and you've screwed it up! If that f – – – ing bastard wins we all hang from nooses! Lauer's finished...and if I lose it's all on you ass – – – – s for screwing this up."
Clinton finally stormed off the military 'set' and the assistant producer said she was screaming that she wanted to talk to "the idiot who set this mess up...you do not blindside me – ever!" and continued to demand to speak with executives at Comcast, parent company to NBC Universal.
Her dozen or more aides were visibly disturbed and tried to calm her down when she started shaking uncontrollably. That did not stop her from demanding an executive "on the phone, now!" She was told the executive-in-charge of the forum was ready to talk with her and she was led away by two rather large aides who appeared to help her walk.
The TV executives got the message with all of the censuring headlines that followed over the next couple of days when it seemed the entire media turned on Matt Lauer for behaving in a "partisan" manner and "being grossly unfair and critical of the former secretary of state."
Matt Lauer was heavily criticized on air by the Clinton campaign the rest of the week with most of the mainstream media joining in. The media appeared to frame Matt's one serious question as the Clinton campaign was doing..."an unfair and partisan attack on Mrs. Clinton."
Matt Lauer is still facing major backlash following his 23 minutes with Hillary Clinton. Privately, many reporters said Matt handed the Democrat nominee the expected softball questions, but made the decision to ask about the emails because, "the American people deserve an answer from the former secretary of state."
Calls were made to New York Times, Washington Post and Huffington Post and Twitter executives with orders to "Crush Matt Lauer". As you can easily see with all the headlines from these MSM sources, they did as they were told by the Clinton campaign.
Hillary also screamed that she would be "treated with respect at the debates or heads will roll." Staffers at the Clinton campaign report that they fear her wrath and uncontrollable outbursts, and one described Hillary as "an egotistical psychopath".
Since Hillary does not allow any staff to have cell phones when she is in their presence, no footage is available, but Hillary will never let this rest. She has made it clear that she wants Matt Lauer to be "persona non grata – for putting her on the spot."
Interim DNC chairman Donna Brazile, the first black woman to hold the position, was singled out by Hillary during the rant. She screamed at Donna, "I'm so sick of your face. You stare at the wall like a brain dead buffalo, while letting that f – – – ing Lauer get away with this. What are you good for, really? Get the f – – – to work janitoring this mess – do I make myself clear?"
A female NBC executive said that Donna Brazile looked at Mrs. Clinton and never flinched, which seemed to enrage Hillary all the more. The executive continued, "It was the most awful and terrible...and racist display – such a profane meltdown I have ever witnessed from anyone, and I will never forget it. That woman should never see the inside of the oval office I can tell you that. She was unhinged and just continued to verbally abuse everyone – she was out of control."
The earliest iteration of that longer narrative we could uncover was posted to the message board of the web site MTStars, where it was presented without citations, source information, audio, video, or any other proof the described these events actually transpired.It should also be noted that no credible media outlets have reported that Clinton went on a cursed-filled tirade after the Commander-in-Chief Forum, or that she threw a water glass at a staffer's head.
Rumors that Clinton threw a "tantrum" after NBC's Commander-in-Chief Forum started with a fictitious quote, and that narrative was later expanded with more fake quotes from other anonymous sources. Meanwhile, no actual evidence has surfaced to prove that any of these events actually transpired.
ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: 22 October 2016
snopes ? Really? :P
Hillary Clinton once threw a Bible at the back of a Secret Service agent's head, part of a pattern of unhinged rage that the now-presumptive Democratic nominee exhibited... (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/20/exclusive-secret-service-agent-book-raging-hillary-clinton-threw-bible-at-agents-colleague/)
http://www.breitbart.com/ REALLY? bhahahahahahahahahah
hi
Thor.. sendin ya hugs and all that is good.. hope you are well
Whether this is true or not, there is nothing new in this report that has not been similarly reported by Secret Service agents, and others, relative to Hillary "losing it" and verbally and abusively lashing out to those around her! Just another f many reasons she is not credible for the position of POTUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: rdunk on October 23, 2016, 11:09:37 PM
Whether this is true or not, there is nothing new in this report that has not been similarly reported by Secret Service agents, and others, relative to Hillary "losing it" and verbally and abusively lashing out to those around her!
So, it doesn't matter if this is a lie? Interesting.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 24, 2016, 12:39:25 AM
So, it doesn't matter if this is a lie? Interesting.
No, what I meant by what I said is, either way, Hillary Clinton is already well known for doing such as is presented in this article. No surprises! Because this fits her so well........it is likely right on point---and accurate!!
Pimander, you have asked for information relative to Trump policies - maybe this will help you a bit with that matter! Most of these items are very specific and are very direct to present matters of the country!!
28 Things Donald Trump Promises to Do as President
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/22/donald-trump-contract-american-voter-100-days-5338007/
The part I like about what Trump says is how he would like to stop the influence of Corporate lobbying and political donations influencing election results. The irony of that is of course he funds his own campaign using money from things like exploiting foreign illegal immigrant labour.
The thing about Hilary having a tantrum, if true is just another element to the comical nature of this year in American politics. If the stakes were not so high I'd finds it a lot funnier.
only posting this to show how easily things can be fudged up
can you just imagine years from now someone coming across those pics with no explaination.....hummmmmmm and then you have to wonder about what we have found from our past
you hafta dig and dig and then only believe a tiny portion of it....
Adviser: Trump Won An NAACP Medal For 'Helping Inner Cities'... No, He Didn't...
POLITICS
No, Donald Trump Did Not Win A Medal From The NAACP
The real story is much, much weirder.
10/23/2016 07:10 pm ET
Christina Wilkie
National Political Reporter, The Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-naacp_us_580ac881e4b000d0b156e6e2
WASHINGTON — A photograph of Donald Trump, Muhammad Ali and Rosa Parks that the founder of Trump's "diversity coalition" hailed as evidence the Republican nominee won an "NAACP medal" for "helping America's inner cities" was actually taken at an awards ceremony organized by a business associate with an ethnic grievance.
William Fugazy, a politically well-connected businessman who later pleaded guilty to perjury, gave the awards to Trump and 79 other people, most of them white, to protest the awarding of "medals of liberty" to a group of 12 recent immigrants that included a Chinese-born architect, a Costa Rica-born astronaut, a leading expert on the psychology of race, and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, but no "Irish, Italian, or Polish" people.
Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime attorney, adviser and campaign surrogate, posted the photo on Twitter earlier this week of Trump, Parks and Ali, "receiving NAACP medals for helping America's inner cities. A man for ALL people!"
photo at link
Michael Cohen ? @MichaelCohen212
1989 photo @realDonaldTrump, #RosaParks & #MuhammadAli all receiving #NAACP medals for helping America's inner cities. A man for ALL people!
11:16 AM - 18 Oct 2016 · Manhattan, NY, United States
The NAACP has not awarded any medals to Trump for "helping America's inner cities," the group told HuffPost. Nor have any other civil rights groups, according to Trump's biographers.
Here's the real story. In 1986, as preparations began for the centennial of the Statue of Liberty, a civic committee selected a group of 12 naturalized citizens to receive "medals of liberty" from President Ronald Reagan. The final list, announced that March, included composer Irving Berlin, who emigrated from Russia; Franklin Chang Diaz, an astronaut from Costa Rica; I.M. Pei, an architect born in China; and entertainment legend Bob Hope, who was born in England.
There was an immediate outcry. Fugazy, then Trump's real estate broker and head of the Coalition of Italo-American Associations, was angry that there were no native-born citizens among the 12 liberty medal winners (which was inevitable, since the award was for naturalized citizens) and that the list excluded certain ethnicities, "like the Irish, Italians and Poles."
Fugazy's Coalition of Italo-American Associations helped lead the campaign against the selections. "We think it's an insult to ? on the one hand ? ask for donations to restore the foremost international symbol of freedom for immigrants and ? on the other hand ? to exclude most of them from the Medal of Liberty list," Joseph Martorana, the group's executive director, told the Miami Herald, before claiming that "the ethnic groups excluded account for 76 percent of the nation's population."
Fugazy had plenty of support. New York Mayor Ed Koch, a Democrat, called the selections "idiotic" and announced plans to hand out his own awards.
"It's almost like denying some of the building blocks of the nation. It's an historical betrayal," New York City Council majority leader Peter Vallone told the Herald.
Six of the 12 recipients of the medals, including Berlin, Kissinger, violinist Itzhak Perlman, polio vaccine inventor Albert Sabin, author Elie Wiesel and University of Chicago president Hanna Holborn Gray, were of Jewish descent.
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DIANA WALKER VIA GETTY IMAGES
President Ronald Reagan stands with his wife Nancy during the Statue of Liberty's centennial celebration July 4, 1986 in New York City. Bill Fugazy resented the fact that Reagan presented awards to 12 immigrants, none of whom were Italian, Irish or Polish.
"These are shameful concessions to a Hollywood producer who lives in the world of fantasy," Paul O'Dwyer, a former New York City Council president, told the Herald, presumably referring to "Roots" producer David Wolper, also Jewish, who had organized the centennial festivities. "I don't know what some of these people have done for history ? although Kissinger and Bob Hope have certainly done well for themselves," he added. "All in all, it shows an abysmal ignorance of the history of our country."
Some people tried to defend the awards. "The great wave of Irish and Italian immigration took place before the First World War. It is therefore hardly surprising that most Irish Americans and Italian Americans are Americans by birth, not naturalization," historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr., a member of the committee that selected the 12 winners, noted in a letter to The New York Times.
But Schlesinger's letter didn't put the matter to rest. That the committee had included Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy, who was of Irish descent, as well as New York Gov. Mario Cuomo and New Jersey Rep. Peter Rodino, both of Italian descent, didn't seem to absolve the committee, either.
Instead, the controversy continued into the summer. That June, Fugazy created a new organization, the National Ethnic Coalition of Organizations, or NECO, and a new award, the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
Trump, Ali and Parks were among 80 people honored at NECO's first awards ceremony on Ellis Island on Oct. 27, 1986. Only four of the 80 winners were black.
In the original, uncropped version of the photo that Cohen shared, there are six people: baseball legend Joe DiMaggio, humorist Victor Borge, singer and anti-gay activist Anita Bryant, Ali, Parks and Trump.
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YVONNE HEMSEY/GETTY IMAGES
(Left to Right) Joe DiMaggio, Victor Borge, Anita Bryant, Muhammad Ali, Rosa Parks, and Donald Trump pose for a photograph after receiving the Ellis Island Medal of Honor October 27, 1986 in New York City.
Since 1986, more than 2,000 people have been awarded the Ellis Island Medal of Honor, including then-first lady Hillary Clinton and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). Officially, the medal criteria are broad and inclusive: Winners should "uphold the ideals and spirit of America," while "maintaining the traditions of their ethnic heritage."
In practice, the winners are mostly white Americans of European descent. NECO maintains a database of past medal honorees, which in many cases cites their "ethnic heritage." Below is McCain's listing, which notes his heritage is "Scottish/Irish."
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NATIONAL ETHNIC COALITION OF ORGANIZATIONS
It's not clear precisely why Fugazy selected Trump to receive the medal in its inaugural year, save for their friendship and Trump's success in business. Fugazy died in 2015. Trump's campaign did not respond to questions about the award or about Cohen's tweet.
But Fugazy was working as a broker for Trump in 1986, helping him to purchase two new properties, a 1987 government ethics report revealed. Trump ultimately paid Fugazy more than $500,000 in fees.
In addition to brokering the purchases, Fugazy helped arrange a deal that year between Trump and auto executive Lee Iacocca, one of his closest friends, to buy a condo building in Florida. In the photo below (from left) Iacocca, Fugazy and Trump are attending the 1987 wedding of their pal George Steinbrenner, the owner of the New York Yankees.
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RON GALELLA VIA GETTY IMAGES
(L-R) Lee Iacocca, Bill Fugazy and Donald Trump attend Steinbrenner Wedding Ceremony on November 7, 1987 at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City. (Photo by Ron Galella, Ltd./WireImage)
Despite his rich and powerful friends, Fugazy was in deep financial trouble in 1986, and declared personal bankruptcy that summer. Prosecutors later alleged that Fugazy lied in bankruptcy filings about who owned one of his companies. He struck a deal to avoid prison by pleading guilty to perjury. President Bill Clinton pardoned him in 2001, just hours before leaving office.
Whatever Fugazy's motive, it would have been difficult for anyone to make a solid case that Trump deserved an award for "helping America's inner cities," in 1986.
At the time, Trump and his father held the dubious honor of having been the defendants in one of the largest-ever housing discrimination lawsuits, a case sparked by a Justice Department civil rights investigation that found the Trumps discriminated against prospective tenants who were black.
The discrimination case was settled with an extensive consent decree. But by the mid-1980s Trump was back in court, this time trying to force poor and elderly tenants from their rent-controlled apartments in one of his buildings. In addition to the lawsuit, Trump shut off the water in the building and refused to make repairs.
As Trump's longtime special counsel, Cohen has been deeply involved in the GOP nominee's largely unsuccessful effort to win support from black and Latino voters, primarily as the founder and co-chair of Trump's minority outreach group, The National Diversity Coalition for Trump. Earlier this year, Cohen arranged for Trump to meet with black religious leaders in New York and then in Detroit, helping secure a small number of high-profile endorsements. And he frequently defends Trump against critics who point to Trump's long history of racist statements as proof that he is indeed racist.
A recent national poll showed Trump winning just 7 percent of black voters.
Editor's note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.
blob:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/788bfe87-a09f-4a02-b236-25087ee68f1c
i don't have a problem with some of things he proposes.. but i do have a problem with him as the president of this country..if it was any other repug i would probably be voting for them
I will always vote to keep the Sovereignty of My Country. :)
Quote from: thorfourwinds on October 23, 2016, 10:22:34 PM
snopes ? Really? :P
Hillary Clinton once threw a Bible at the back of a Secret Service agent's head, part of a pattern of unhinged rage that the now-presumptive Democratic nominee exhibited... (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/20/exclusive-secret-service-agent-book-raging-hillary-clinton-threw-bible-at-agents-colleague/)
I keep telling you, the Bible is the tool of the oppressor! :P ;D
Quote from: space otter on October 24, 2016, 04:16:28 PM
i don't have a problem with some of things he proposes.. but i do have a problem with him as the president of this country..if it was any other repug i would probably be voting for them
ZOMG!!! The otter is voting Hillary!!!(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/16/38/4c/16384c2e10ca9a4a3ef5724cb83019e4.jpg)
:P
::)
Quote from: Pimander on October 24, 2016, 06:34:13 PM
I keep telling you, the Bible is the tool of the oppressor! :P ;D
Is that where the term "Bible thumper" came from?
Believe me there was NO CHOICE
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The Otter...
AFTER Hillary takes office :P
Can't get to the water under that steel barrier :P
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don't be a tryin to put words in my mouth
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Okay okay :P So that otter on the platter is actually just cooling off on that steel :P
If Hillary wins, the Otters will certainly have it better than we "Citizens" of this United States!! With her in charge, the freedoms we love in this country will continue to be eroded - ie open borders, socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, media subservient to govt., continued weakened military, higher taxes for many to pay for free college and all other new govt programs, anybody, citizen or not, can vote in elections, and on and on and on and on.............................................!!
Hillary must be defeated, or we will likely never have a country that is free and for the people again!!
The wikileaks emails "openly show" the extent of her and the Democratic left's willingness to do absolutely anything to achieve their leftist/progresive adgenda, legal or otherwise.
The United states of America will simply become another 3rd world country, likely under the rule of Russia or China - and that could happen pretty quickly even now, with the sorry state of our current military!! :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: rdunk on October 24, 2016, 10:35:09 PM
higher taxes for many to pay for free college
Universal free education? Sounds like a great idea. The opposite is college for the elite.
Sky Otter, it is a pure waste of my time to make reasonable comment on articles from the Huffungton Post. Everyone knows......well most everyone- that they are simply a faction of the far left media, and whatever they publish has to be leavened with that reality. The 2 articles you have posted from Huffington in this OP are obvious examples!!!
Both articles spew trash about Donald Trump! The Branson thing, well that was about a 1 on 1 he supposedly had with Trump. The other article is about Trump and a well publicized event. Irregardless of the reason for the event, Trump is directly ostracized, even as he stands there with a medal around his neck, and in the company with several very notable people. Of course that was only 30 years ago, so why would would Trump want to stand there with Parks, Ali, Joe DiMmagio, Anita Bryant, and Victor Borge - Trump certainly was not running for political office back then!!
I think it very telling.....and funny, that both articles- one released of October 21, and the other released on Oct. 23, have the same spew of DNC trash talk about Trump, with both noted as "an "Editor's note"!!..........
Editor's note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.
Some are obvious untruths, and the one about the "inciting political violence" is now a laughing matter. It is now openly known that the "incited violence" noted was planned, staged, and conducted by persons sponsored and paid for by Democratic National Committee/representatives!!
Quote from: rdunk on October 24, 2016, 10:35:09 PM
With her in charge, the freedoms we love in this country will continue to be eroded - ie open borders, socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, media subservient to govt., continued weakened military, higher taxes for many to pay for free college and all other new govt programs, anybody, citizen or not, can vote in elections, and on and on and on and on.............................................!!
Closed borders, non-socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, strong military and low taxes are freedoms? Strange freedoms you have...
Quote from: ArMaP on October 24, 2016, 11:33:19 PM
Closed borders, non-socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, strong military and low taxes are freedoms? Strange freedoms you have...
Lack of freedom of movement and militarised government? Low taxes simply means less help for the poor and more power for the rich - known in the civilised world as inequality.
Taxes are the means by which a government get the resources to help those in need. A society which does not do that is not civilised. The reason for that is that is that the money is spent on helping the poor and weakest n society (like the sick). The rich don't get the money which is why they hate taxes.
Quote from: Pimander on October 24, 2016, 10:43:47 PM
Universal free education? Sounds like a great idea. The opposite is college for the elite.
Pimander, I thought you were an intelligent person?? Do you not know......there is no
FREE LUNCH?? No, this "free college" would just be significant more tax burden on everyone!!
Now, if we the people actually wanted to provide a free or much cheaper way for a "college level" education, then states could make a way for it to be done at home and taught completely digitally! Each state could on its own determine the specific college level courses to be taught, based upon specific needs within each state. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 24, 2016, 11:33:19 PM
Closed borders, non-socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, strong military and low taxes are freedoms? Strange freedoms you have...
What a dumb interpretation!! :o :o :o ArMaP, can you not do better than that??
Quote from: rdunk on October 24, 2016, 11:53:14 PM
Pimander, I thought you were an intelligent person?? Do you not know......there is no FREE LUNCH??
I don't mean to be rude but that comment is just idiotic. A free education is NOT lunch. Educated people pay more through income taxes back into the system. It is an investment in the future of the nation. It is one that allows the poor to have the same chances as the rich.
QuoteNow, if we the people actually wanted to provide a free or much cheaper way for a "college level" education, then states could make a way for it to be done at home and taught completely digitally! Each state could on its own determine the specific college level courses to be taught, based upon specific needs within each state. :)
It's idiotic ideas like this that mean the elite will always get the best education. This is why your politics is the politics of inequality. Yes I can see why you want a billionaire member of the elite to rule over you. ::)
It is the politics of "you are my chosen people" and the rest of you can rot. Only God's chosen can enter the heavenly place. It is the politics of pull up the drawbridge (borders) and of American lives matter but others don't. It is deplorable!
And ArMaP is bang on the money. What you called freedoms are not freedoms. Get a dictionary if you think they are. LOL ::)
Quote from: rdunk on October 24, 2016, 11:56:42 PM
What a dumb interpretation!!
That's because you mixed the word "freedoms" with things that are not freedoms. Why did you do that, to make it sound more impressive?
That's why I don't like discussions about politics, many people follow the tricks used by those they consider closer to the their own ideas and do not even see it.
Quote from: Pimander on October 25, 2016, 12:02:16 AM
It's idiotic ideas like this that mean the elite will always get the best education. This is why your politics is the politics of inequality. Yes I can see why you want a billionaire member of the elite to rule over you. ::)
Now you are closer to be called a communist or something like that. :P
Quote from: ArMaP on October 25, 2016, 12:04:15 AM
Now you are closer to be called a communist or something like that. :P
I believe in a mixed economy. I believe that banks, massive corporations and infrastructure, energy, fuel etc should be owned by everybody. I also believe that people should be allowed to own their homes or smaller businesses so I am not a communist. Big businesses should be owned by the employees. And yes, education and health care should be freely available for all. And every citizen should have the right to a roof over their head and a job or education.
Any society that allows private interests to dominate is a bad thing. Any society that does not provide free health care, social care, education and housing to all regardless of wealth is not truly civilised.
I also believe laws should only interfere with personal freedom where it is designed to protect citizens, animals and the environment. And democracy should be the glue that holds it all together. If you want to get stoned or have sex with your best friend then don't do it where people have to watch.
Pretty simple. I'm with Bernie Sanders on most things. :)
oh rdunk
we are never going to agree ..everything you say against hillary i can say against trump..stalemant in the opinion department..typical political argument
i have personally worked for and with men like trump and i would never ever willingly vote for one to run this precious country..
i'm not so much a hillary fan but i am 100% against trump as a person..
here's my personal take on the whole trump thing
i'm sure you have heard of karma even though being southern religious you probably don't
give it any weight
to me trump is karma for the repubs
they blocked every thing obama wanted even when they agreed with it instead of working FOR the country they live in
that is not to say obama was right.........but karma is balance..
KARMA
total blockage = total collapse of their party
Quote from: Pimander on October 25, 2016, 12:13:53 AM
I also believe that people should be allowed to own their homes or smaller businesses so I am not a communist.
As you probably know, the Communist Party is relatively big in Portugal (the fourth biggest, if I'm not mistaken), so I know several members (I'm not a member), and all of them believe in private property for things like home and small business (almost all how small businesses).
Pimander, this is just for you - I am even more concerned about your intelligence!! 8)
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" (alternatively, "There is no such thing as a free lunch" or other variants) is a popular adage communicating the idea that it is impossible to get something for nothing. The acronyms TANSTAAFL, TINSTAAFL, and TNSTAAFL, are also used. Uses of the phrase dating back to the 1930s and 1940s have been found, but the phrase's first appearance is unknown.[1] The "free lunch" in the saying refers to the nineteenth-century practice in American bars of offering a "free lunch" in order to entice drinking customers.
The phrase and the acronym are central to Robert Heinlein's 1966 science-fiction novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, which helped popularize it.[2][3] The free-market economist Milton Friedman also popularized the phrase[1] by using it as the title of a 1975 book,[4] and it is used in economics literature to describe opportunity cost.[5] Campbell McConnell writes that the idea is "at the core of economics".[6]
Contents [hide]
1 History and usage
1.1 "Free lunch"
1.2 Early uses
1.3 Popularization
1.4 Meanings
2 See also
3 Notes
4 References
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain%27t_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch
Free education is not a free lunch. Educated people pay more taxes so they pay for their education anyway. It simply provides an opportunity for poorer kids. It is called fairness.
You may prefer a less fair system. But don't try and dress an elitist education system as a freedom for all. It is jst a way to keep the rich better off.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 25, 2016, 01:33:30 AM
As you probably know, the Communist Party is relatively big in Portugal (the fourth biggest, if I'm not mistaken), so I know several members (I'm not a member), and all of them believe in private property for things like home and small business (almost all how small businesses).
The true definition of Communism is (well was anyway) the collective ownership of all property. I believe in a mixture of socialism and enterprise.
The Portuguese Communist Party sounds like a democratic socialist party in my opinion. Many Americans think Hilary is a commie. Ironically the former Russian Communist Party member Putin supports Trump. LOL ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on October 24, 2016, 11:33:19 PM
Closed borders, non-socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, strong military and low taxes are freedoms? Strange freedoms you have...
ArMaP........just so you will know!
"Closed Borders" - means borders are closed to illegal entry into the United States. They are not "closed" to citizens of the United States for exit or re-entry. The existing laws of the United States already prohibit illegal entry, but the current administration has ignored the law and is allowing open illegal entry, which is costing this country many billions of dollars annually. Only with closed borders and "lawful/legal" immigration are our freedoms as a country and as a people retained!!
Supreme Court - is simply supposed to interpret the law according to the original intent of the Constitution of the United States. The progressive left (and Hillary) continue to push for the Supreme Court for doing more that goes against what the Constitution sets forth. Only with a Constitutionally bound Supreme Court do we the people retain our freedoms
Strong military - nothing different from what we have always had, until Obama got his hands on it. Now the military is significantly weaker in several areas, and must be improved - peace and freedom through strength!
welll he isn't well liked is he?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37708665
Canada's two Trump towers facing troubles
By Jessica Murphy
BBC News, Toronto
23 October 2016
From the section US & Canada
In Vancouver, the developer of a new Trump Tower has been under pressure for months to drop the Republican presidential candidate's name from the project. Meanwhile, the Trump Tower in Toronto is the subject of a lawsuit after facing years of controversy.
Donald Trump's controversial run for US president is having an impact on his businesses in Canada and knock-on effects for those who have partnered with his brand.
The opening date for the Vancouver hotel has been delayed until 2017, well after November's US election. A contest offering a chance to meet with the Trump family for the grand opening caused a stir.
Across the country, the Toronto building, which opened in 2012, has been the target of a lawsuit by small investors who claim they were misled into buying into the project. Its developer, Talon Development Inc, has tried to remove the Trump name from the troubled hotel and condominium complex.
The story is similar in other countries.
In Dubai, a firm building a golf complex with Mr Trump removed his name and image from the property. In Turkey, the developers of Trump Towers Istanbul have tried to distance themselves from the Republican hopeful. And there have been protests outside Trump buildings in the US.
Demonstrators and decadence at Trump's new Washington hotel
An Angus Reid Institute poll released in December indicated that 56% of Canadians supported having the Trump brand dumped from the two Canadian towers.
Brent Toderian, a Vancouver-based city planner, was the first to openly oppose Trump branding on the 63-storey Canadian tower, designed by famed architect Arthur Erickson to have a distinctive 45-degree twist as it rose into the sky.
"We've taken a building that is the second-tallest in the skyline, carefully planned at least in part by one of our most revered Canadian architects - a very elegant piece of architecture for our skyline - and retroactively duct-taped Trump's name to it," he said in an interview.
The luxury hotel and condominium tower in downtown Vancouver is owned by the Holborn Group, a private real-estate developer which partnered with the Trump brand in 2013.
Mr Trump attended the announcement, accompanied by his children, Eric, Ivanka, and Donald Jr.
"I believe it's going to be a fantastic success. I love Vancouver," said Mr Trump at the time.
The project is licensed to use the Trump name and brand - including for Canada's first Mar-a-Lago Spa by Ivanka Trump - and will be managed by the real estate magnate's company, which is also overseeing the building's interior design.
In December, Mr Toderian renewed his call for the Holborn Group to distance themselves from the Trump name. He was joined by Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson, who said the brand had no place on the city's skyline.
"Donald Trump's hateful positions and commentary remind us all of much darker times in our world's past - and it is incumbent upon all of us to forcefully challenge hatred in all of the ways that it confronts us," he wrote in a letter to the developer.
The Holborn Group did not respond to requests for comment but in previous statements has noted that the still-unfinished building will create some 300 new jobs.
"Holborn, a company that has contributed immensely to the growth of Vancouver, is not in any way involved in US politics. As such, we would not comment further on Mr Trump's personal or political agenda, nor any political issues, local or foreign," CEO Joo Kim Tiah said in December.
Despite the fuss, nearly 10,000 people have applied to work at the Vancouver Trump Tower, according to the hotel's general manager, and Holborn says it has sold all the luxury condos in the building.
In Toronto, project developer Talon was close to a deal to sell the troubled 65-storey hotel and condominium complex at the heart of the city's financial district earlier this year. However, Toronto's Trump Tower is currently off the market.
Talon chairman Alex Shnaider was also trying to have the Trump name removed from the building, at one point seeking to do so through arbitration. Those efforts also appear to have stalled. A lawyer for Talon refused to comment other than to note there is currently no lawsuit between the owners of the hotel and Mr Trump.
Mr Trump first announced his involvement in an early version of the project in 2001 and it was brought under the Trump brand umbrella in 2004. The businessman attended the official groundbreaking in 2007.
The Trump Organization does not have an ownership stake in the building but it operates and manages the hotel and licenses the Trump name to the complex for a fee.
The building is the subject of a lawsuit by disgruntled buyers who lost money after investing in the property, in one instance almost 1m Canadian dollars ($750,000; £613,000).
In a recent decision, an Ontario court ruled in favour of two investors, saying one could be discharged from his obligations and another could be awarded damages.
Talon is considering appealing against the decision.
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from the place you don't like
TOXIC: GOP Candidates Threaten Lawsuits Over Ads Linking Them To Trump
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-tv-ads-trump_us_580e34b2e4b000d0b157b24f
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oh yeah and more on the op which was where we started
basically it was a game for him
Donald Trump May Launch TV Venture After Election
Son-in-law and top adviser Jared Kushner reportedly "approached" a firm specializing in media deals.
10/17/2016 11:10 am ET | Updated Oct 17, 2016
NEW YORK ? Can Donald Trump turn voters into viewers?
There have been rumblings for months that the media-obsessed former reality star's endgame is to launch a media company after the election to capitalize on the support he's received.
That theory gained more traction Monday as the Financial Times reported that Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner spoke with a boutique media deal-making firm about the prospect of launching a television network. Kushner, who owns the New York Observer, contacted LionTree founder and chief executive Aryeh Bourkoff within the past couple months, according to the paper.
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can you say dictator?
Trump explains why the First Amendment has 'too much protection' for free speech
"Our press is allowed to say whatever they want."
Trump answered in the affirmative, saying he'd like to change the laws to make it easier to sue media companies. Trump lamented that, under current law, "our press is allowed to say whatever they want."
He recommended moving to a system like in England where someone who sues a media company has "a good chance of winning."
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-first-amendment-too-much-protection-37e72ee16ea2#.uykahuf8j
Trump calls polls phony, insists he's winning, says press has too much ...
www.japantimes.co.jp/.../trump-calls-polls-phony-insists-hes-winning-s...The Japan Times
5 hours ago - A day after suggesting the First Amendment to the Constitution may give the press too much freedom, he insisted that the media are promoting ...
Donald Trump said the First Amendment offers too much freedom for ...
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8 hours ago - Just don't make 'terrible mistakes' In Trump's words, the First Amendment allows the press "to say whatever they want." But he also insists he's ...
Trump Threatens Freedom Of The Press With Chilling Statement On ...
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Daily Kos
39 mins ago - Trump Threatens Freedom Of The Press With Chilling Statement On The Media .... He was asked "Do you think there is too much protection allowed in the ... the system in England where he thinks it's easier to sue the media.
Trump wants to weaken libel laws amid feuds with reporters | Fox News
www.foxnews.com/.../trump-wants-to-weaken-libel-laws-amid-feuds-with-rep...Fox News
Feb 27, 2016 - Feeling maligned by the media, Donald Trump is threatening to weaken ... "Trump gets offended, he gets upset and he wants to sue to retaliate.
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oh and just for chuckles
vid at link
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Trump Denounced His Campaign Rhetoric Two Decades Before Running For President
It's no secret that Donald Trump has flip-flopped on a number of hot-button issues throughout his time in the public eye, but there's one 1999 interview that encapsulates his changing positions particularly well.
The Republican presidential nominee spoke with Tim Russert on "Meet The Press" 17 years ago while he was considering a presidential run. In the interview, Trump chastised then-presidential candidate Pat Buchanan for appealing to the "staunch right, wacko vote."
Years later, now that Trump himself is running for president, his conversation with Russert is especially interesting, as certain aspects of Buchanan's candidacy have come to define Trump's own campaign. Trump, who called Buchanan "inflammatory, outrageous, and controversial" in his book "The America We Deserve," has also built his campaign along similar lines. Trump began his campaign calling Mexicans "rapists" and "criminals," has alienated African-Americans with his tone-deaf remarks about "the blacks" and even suggested banning Muslims from the United States.
Buchanan's platform was also centered around issues like anti-globalization and a promise to put Americans first ? both of which Trump has taken up as well. His proposed U.S.-Mexico border wall has been a linchpin of his campaign, as has the slogan he borrowed from President Ronald Reagan, "Make America Great Again."
In addition to embracing an ideology that aligns with Buchanan's, Trump made other observations and declarations during the interview that undermine his current values and behavior.
During the Russert interview, Trump said his views on abortion were "strongly pro-choice." His pro-abortion rights position, stated so firmly during the interview, has changed drastically. The GOP nominee mischaracterized late-term abortions in graphic terms during the final presidential debate and once suggested "some sort of punishment" for women who end their pregnancy.
Trump also discussed his controversial playboy reputation with women during the interview. Trump told Russert, "I am single and I do go out with women and I do respect and adore women." But the fact that more than a dozen women have come forward in recent weeks accusing him of sexually abusive behavior ? following the leak earlier this month of a 2005 hot-mic recording of Trump talking about groping women ? suggests otherwise.
Hear some of Donald Trump's comments in the video above.
This video was produced by Liz Martinez and Gemma Sapwell, and edited by Lee Porcella.
oh yeah and i agree with the following
Editor's note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.
Space Otter, do you not understand the fact that the huffington post is anti conservative anything, and that is what they put out in their rag! They too are likely well paid by the DNC for putting out such crap, just as they pay for all sorts of other stuff to sometimes illegally slant the politics their way!!
Trump is big business, and no big business is without dissenters and lawsuits.....constantly, for every kind of reason. Do I think Trump's businesses are perfect? Absolutely not!! But then none are without various attacks for attacker reasons. That is why Corporate attorneys are very plentiful but very busy when they are needed!!
For America in this election, there is only one real choice, and that choice its Donald Trump!!
Actually, before this is over, wikileaks may have Hillary essentially out of this anyway!! She may have messed up 1 too many times, to actually assume the position of President!
rdunk
i hear you.. and like i said i am not a hillary fan
but my vote is for the lesser of two evils
because as bad as you think she is
i think he is 10 times worse...
so i guess we just go and cancel each other out at the polls
take a deep breath and do the best as we can with what happens..
each of us can only do what we think is right..that's all
Quote from: space otter on October 25, 2016, 04:47:29 AM
rdunk
i hear you.. and like i said i am not a hillary fan
but my vote is for the lesser of two evils
because as bad as you think she is
i think he is 10 times worse...
so i guess we just go and cancel each other out at the polls
take a deep breath and do the best as we can with what happens..
each of us can only do what we think is right..that's all
Absolutely Space Otter! I am totally at peace with all of this. Sure, there are things I would like to see for the good of the people and the country, but all that is happening is bigger and is much more than the physical reality of this world. Sure, I will vote too as this is what we are to do. But, all of this is "of the world", and there is a really great day coming, no matter what is happening, or who is President!! So, for me, regardless who wins this election, I am at peace with the spiritual reality that I know, and will continue in that "until he comes"! ††† :)
Quote from: space otter on October 25, 2016, 04:47:29 AM
i hear you.. and like i said i am not a hillary fan
but my vote is for the lesser of two evils
because as bad as you think she is
i think he is 10 times worse...
But..
What IF you are wrong? :P
::)
Quote from: rdunk on October 25, 2016, 05:12:58 AMI am at peace with the spiritual reality that I know, and will continue in that "until he comes"! ††† :)
I am voting for the other one..as the lesser of two evils :P
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As a kindred spirit of his, Lucifer gets my vote every time. I've never been a yes man. Lucifer is the ultimate Libertarian. :)
Quote from: rdunk on October 25, 2016, 02:21:32 AM
ArMaP........just so you will know!
I do know, thanks for helping me prove my point. :)
Quote from: rdunk on October 25, 2016, 04:25:54 AM
Trump is big business, and no big business is without dissenters and lawsuits.....constantly, for every kind of reason.
That reminded me of something: has any US president been someone so strongly linked to one or more corporations?
There is a difference between a corrupt person and a corrupt organization. Trump has done very bad things in business but it lacks the broad based corruption of the Media, DOJ, FBI, and more by Clintons.
The danger I see is that a Republican Congress will totally obstruct Hillary, as they did with Obama..............EXCEPT FOR ONE THING !
That thing is WAR. They will broadly agree to push for more war with Russia, China and Iran.
Secondly, I believe Republican leaders want Hillary as President because of the above - and because, after Wikileaks, they will have enough evidence to impeach her at will, hence, she will be controlled opposition.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 25, 2016, 12:57:25 PM
I do know, thanks for helping me prove my point. :)
No, I don't think so. I took your "initial point" to mean the people of America were not free, which was very wrong - like to you building a wall would make us less free in your mind - totally wrong! etc!!
PROOF POSITIVE that Killary is EVIL
They say a picture tells a thousand words... well this one is 100% proof :P
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It's all the rage for VILLIANS
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Quote from: rdunk on October 25, 2016, 04:51:27 PM
I took your "initial point" to mean the people of America were not free, which was very wrong - like to you building a wall would make us less free in your mind - totally wrong! etc!!
And you were completely wrong in your interpretation of what I wrote.
Spot on, I always picture Hillary as Voldemort or some evil non-genius, of course her choice of wardrobe doesnt do well to the aesthetic eye, but it does help to cover her scaley back and nubs where her angel wings were hacked off though. ;)
Seems someone caught her with her makeup off :P
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Trump could be First in History to Win all 50 States according to Linguistic GeniusQuoteAdmit it. Donald Trump is a volcano in a forest of Ronson lighters.
You're not going to stop him. He may carry all 50 states.
The awareness of Trump's invincibility is dawning slowly for several reasons. Nobody wants to be revealed as a fool if Trump flames out. Also, such a breathtaking prediction hates to be borne all alone. "Out on a limb" is a lonely place for a pundit to be. Then, too, a lot of heretofore wise observers are obeying the instinct to adopt a "business as usual" stance. We put subconscious pressure on ourselves so that yesterday's "clown-by-consensus" isn't too abruptly hailed as the winner this absurdly long before the first vote is cast. The dreamers in the GOP are still reassuring one another that Trump's domination is a "summertime thing," and that come fall the public anger will be gone and the people will ask themselves, "Is this the kind of person we want in the Oval Office?" Dream on, Dear Establishment. People are already asking that question, and the answer is not just "Yes"; it's "Hell, Yes!"
Eight years ago Americans decided to take a chance on a "community organizer" without one single discernible accomplishment, not even authorship of his own book! (Thank you, Jack Cashill!) Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review – and never wrote a single editorial. And we elected and re-elected him.
And now we're taking the measure of a billionaire 11 times over who's boldly carved his signature in stone and steel and golf-course green around the world, written best-selling books and produced and starred in dazzlingly high-rated TV shows, and you're trying to tell me this world-class accomplishmentarian is a summertime thing set to evaporate with the first fall chill? In a pig's eye! Even his worst enemies agree that Donald Trump gets things done. Meanwhile, your community organizer is now a political kidney stone that will take 17 more months to pass. You don't like Trump's rhetoric, maybe? What's wrong with "I love this country and I want to make it great again"?
Donald Trump has ruptured every rule of nature and human nature, science and political science, and continues to sneer at the Law of Gravity itself as he personally and deliberately pushes every down-button while his elevator nonetheless continues up, up and up.
Sen. John McCain satisfies most people's definition of a war hero. Here comes Trump mocking McCain as being a "war hero only because he was captured." Some of those "wise observers" declared Trump doomed even at that early point. And what happened? Trump gained!
At the Fox News debate of Aug. 6, some sinister force that wanted to stick it to Trump led things off, not by obeying the natural and organic procedure of calling for all those candidates who vowed to support the eventual Republican nominee to please raise their hands. No. The moderator instead called for "all those who will not pledge to support the eventual Republican nominee" to please raise their hands. And whoever imposed that reverse wording got his wish. There stood Trump in the middle of the pack, all alone with his right hand in the air. And what happened? Trump gained.
Doesn't our culture forbid us to hit a woman? Meet Fox's rapturous Megyn Kelly, whose very appearance sets the syrups of the soul all a-sizzle even before her formidable IQ approaches the scale for a weigh-in. Kelly ticked off a litany of horrendous things Trump has uttered to denigrate women. Trump struck back hard. And what happened? Trump gained.
http://nevo.news/index.php/2016/07/13/trump-could-be-first-in-history-to-win-all-50-states-according-to-linguistic-genius/
I am going with my gut feeling :P And my new Dragon agrees that The Donald will win
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Quote from: zorgon on October 25, 2016, 08:28:33 PM
Seems someone caught her with her makeup off :P
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So, she is a regular person, only with a megalomaniac complex and a warehouse sized closet full of skeletons..reptilian and human.
Liberals say "but hey, we dont care who wins, as long as its a easily moldable and controllable puppet who can further our descent into European style governing and open border policies."
Trump voters, religious or not are saying "oh dear God, help us if she wins"
Hillary's followers are few and far between...to the naked eye... they dont show themselves often, sit in dark rooms spewing their socialistic pseudo-social justice mindset to the internet, eating Cheetos and drinking Faygo Grape soda while dodging reality...not a worry in the world...if they all vote..we are doomed.
Trump supporters are on edge like a tightwire walker with knives for feet...if they make it across, band aids will be a daily staple as Trump tries to "decimate" the bs and poltical posturing that has gone on too long.
Ok for you wusses: TRIGGER WARNING>>>SAFE SPACE NEEDED!
My money is on the Donald.
Zorgon is right, he is the only one who can pull this corporation back from the abyss, the only candidate who cares enough to spend millions of his own dough to run, while other rich businessmen around the nation pray he gets in, and poor folks around the nation pray he falls flat in November.
Divisiveness 101, business as usual, and the real hijinx behind closed doors go on, while most Americans chatter for bread and circuses from our dirtlot of a pulpit.
Point: dont put your faith in one doofus over another, because you are showing you have faith in doofuses (is that a word?)
Cheers
Le
Nobody told us it was gonna end this way..
but it is...
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ahhhhhhhh Z a cartoon dragon told ya the outcome , huh?
too bad you can't help him out by actually voting isn't it?
well this isn't the first time i've been in the minority and probably won't be the last
from what i can see regardless of who does win.. it's going to be a mess for a long while
oh btw i found that his speech was already done and just waiting..
you guys are smart so fine it on your own.. seems links aren't needed anymore
because ALL THINGS WRITTEN ON LINE ARE REAL
The Speech Donald J. Trump Might Give
Hello, Cleveland! Thank you. Thank you. This land is your land; this land is my land. But mostly it is my land. I'm king of the world! Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
As I was telling my beautiful daughter, Ivanka—look at her, folks: just look at her—the other day: It is the best of times! It is the worst of times! It is the age of wisdom! It is the age of foolishness! It is the epoch of belief! It is the epoch of incredulity! It is the season of Light! It is the season of Darkness! It is the spring of hope! It is the winter of despair! Come with me if you want to live! You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one! Anything less than the best is a felony!
And so, tonight, here in the Quicken Loans Arena, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the Earth. I have always depended on the kindness of strangers, and tonight, those strangers are all of you. You had me at "hello," and now we are the champions, my friends! The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams! Be the change you wish to see in the world! That change is me. Fasten your seatbelts—it's going to be a bumpy night. Crooked Hillary—lock her up! Go ahead, make my day! She can't handle the truth! She's all lies and jest. (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
Sure, you don't know about me without you have read a book by the name of The Art of the Deal; but that ain't no matter. I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. And you're the meaning in my life—you're the inspiration.
Freedom? Well, that's just some people talking. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. Different strokes for different folks, and so on and so on and scooby dooby doo. Are we humans, or are we dancer? Did you know that I see dead people? I'll bet you didn't know that about me. Ronald Reagan. Abraham Lincoln. Eisenhower, great guy, I forget his first name. Kennedy. He was a Republican, right? And Reagan, again. They remind me that I am BIG! It's the politics that got small. Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango? I got a lot to say, I got a lot to say, I got a lot to say. I can't remember now, I can't remember now, I can't remember now.
Oh, that's right! I remember now. Melania! What a woman! I'm hooked and I can't stop staring! Love means never having to say you're sorry!
And what about my running mate? Great guy! Say hello to my little friend, my precious, Newt Ging— I mean, Chris Christ— I mean, Mike Pence! You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find— I mean, life is like a box of chocolates: You never know what you're gonna get! I mean, nobody puts Mikey in a corner! I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship! Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer! Brevity is the soul of wit! Fathers, be good to your daughters, daughters will love like you do! Girls become lovers, who turn into mothers, so mothers, be good to your daughters, too! Just look at Ivanka!
In conclusion: This campaign: It's alive! It's alive! Also I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! In New York, we have a problem. Atlanta, we have a problem. Los Angeles, we have a problem. Houston, we have a problem. The years start coming, and they don't stop coming! Fed to the rules, and I hit the ground running! I grow old... I grow old... I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled! Every man dies; not every man really lives! And so, now, I feel the need—the need for speed. Because there's no place like home. And greed, for lack of a better word, is good! So tell 'em to go out there with all they got and win just one for the Gipper. Lincoln, right? Anyway, the point is, we will not go gently into the night! We will not go down without a fight! We will live on. I've got all my life to live, and I've got all my love to give, and I will survive! Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end! And tomorrow is another day! And I'll be back! Thank you.
oh wait.. this just in..was in the news paper
In a turn of events that shocked the political world and threw the presidential race into unprecedented turmoil, Donald J. Trump announced yesterday that he is quitting the race and endorsing Hillary Clinton.
Trump said the only point of his campaign was to show how stupid and gullible many Republican voters are.
"I've been a Democrat all of my adult life," Trump told a packed and boisterous news conference. "But I knew if I ran as a Republican and said increasingly ridiculous, idiotic, racist and sexist things that I would get a lot of votes."
ya can't make this stuff up it was in a legit n c newspaper..go find it bwhahahahahahah
Quote from: space otter on October 25, 2016, 10:37:27 PM
ahhhhhhhh Z a cartoon dragon told ya the outcome , huh?
Noooo he is NOT a cartoon Dragon :P He stands Nine feet tall and will be in front of my garage tonight :P Still need a name for him though :P
Quotetoo bad you can't help him out by actually voting isn't it?
Well my measly little vote would be a mere drop in the bucket. :P My power is better directed to convincing others. :D
Quotewell this isn't the first time i've been in the minority and probably won't be the last
from what i can see regardless of who does win.. it's going to be a mess for a long while
It will probably be a mess but if so it will be Soro's forces that keep it so... and since he is the KNOWN money behind the Wicked Witch, I do find it hard to believe anyone can ignore her crimes and his manipulation and still sleep at nights :P
QuoteALL THINGS WRITTEN ON LINE ARE REAL
Oh YES!! It is a known fact that you cannot post anything false on the internet :P
QuoteHello, Cleveland! Thank you. Thank you. This land is your land; this land is my land. But mostly it is my land. I'm king of the world! Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
Well maybe a KING is what we need :P I was considering running for that myself but I don't have the cash to promote me :P But errr why 'Cleveland"? :o
QuoteFreedom? Well, that's just some people talking. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. Different strokes for different folks, and so on and so on and scooby dooby doo. Are we humans, or are we dancer? Did you know that I see dead people? I'll bet you didn't know that about me. Ronald Reagan. Abraham Lincoln. Eisenhower, great guy, I forget his first name. Kennedy. He was a Republican, right? And Reagan, again. They remind me that I am BIG! It's the politics that got small. Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango? I got a lot to say, I got a lot to say, I got a lot to say. I can't remember now, I can't remember now, I can't remember now.
Freedom is an illusion :P It is something people THINK they have... but you NEVER own your own house, you have to go to work to live. freedom of Speech? Hell go look it up :P There are scads of exceptions, rules and regulations on that (and rightly so :P) The only true freedom is had by those living deep in the woods off the grid :P and even that is fleeting
But why are you ignoring Killary's proven criminal record and the death toll surrounding her? If ANYONE else had such a record, they couldn't gety a job, let alone the top job in the country, and would likely already be in jail :P
Quote oh wait.. this just in..was in the news paper
In a turn of events that shocked the political world and threw the presidential race into unprecedented turmoil, Donald J. Trump announced yesterday that he is quitting the race and endorsing Hillary Clinton.
IF that is true then you KNOW the USA is finished and we will follow that other rebublic that was rome into oblivion
Quote"I've been a Democrat all of my adult life," Trump told a packed and boisterous news conference.
I too was a Liberal all my life... Even met and chatted with Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau back in the day. His wife was awesome too... :P But in this case, Republican aside,,, I gotta go with what is best for the country :P We shall see because the polls I see are showing Trump at 80% and higher. Let's see what happens in the next 6 months.
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From Wikileaks In Hillary's own words. Entire E-Mail, including source and attachments here
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927
HRC Paid Speeches From:tcarrk@hillaryclinton.com To: jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com, john.podesta@gmail.com, slatham@hillaryclinton.com, kschake@hillaryclinton.com, creynolds@hillaryclinton.com, bfallon@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2016-01-25 00:28 Subject: HRC Paid Speeches
*CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY* *Clinton: "But If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position."*
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927
Quote from: zorgon on October 25, 2016, 08:53:57 PM
I am going with my gut feeling :P And my new Dragon agrees that The Donald will win
How about "NOGROZ the dragon"??
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From Excerpt Wikileaks
Clinton, who approved a deal granting Russia control of 20 percent of America's uranium assets, has criticized rival Donald Trump for allegedly wanting to "support Putin."
In paid remarks to private groups, Clinton boasted of having a personal relationship with Putin, according to excerpts released by the organization Wikileaks this weekend. Democratic operatives, including vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine, have neither confirmed nor denied the authenticity of the Wikileaks document.
In a speech to the Jewish United Fund Of Metropolitan Chicago in October 2013, the Wikileaks document cites Clinton as telling a story of bonding with Putin over the conservation of tiger populations.
In Hillary's own words quote:
"I said, 'You know, Mr. Prime Minister, we actually have some things in common. We both want to protect wildlife, and I know how committed you are to protecting the tiger,'" Clinton reportedly told the audience. "I mean, all of a sudden, he sat up straight and his eyes got big and he goes, 'You care about the tiger? I said, 'I care about the tiger, I care about the elephant, I care about the rhinoceros, I care about the whale.'"
Then, she said, Putin invited her to what she described as his "private inner sanctum."
"So we go down the stairs, we go down this long hall, we go into this private inner sanctum. All of his, you know, very beefy security guys are there, they all jump up at attention, you know, they punch a code, he goes through a heavily-armed door," she reportedly narrated. "And then we're in an inner, inner sanctum with, you know, just this long, wooden table, and then further back, there's a desk and the biggest map of Russia I ever saw. And he starts talking to me about, you know, the habitat of the tigers and the habitat of the seals and the whales."
Earlier that year, Clinton reportedly dismissed the possibility of Putin's military buildup being a threat to the United States. "I last saw [Putin] in Vladivostok where I represented President Obama in September for the Asia Pacific economic community," she allegedly said in remarks at Sanford Bernstein. "I sat next to him. He's an engaging and, you know, very interesting conversationalist."
"We talked about a lot of issues that were not the hot-button issues between us, you know, his view on missile defense, which we think is misplaced because, you know, we don't believe that there will be a threat from Russia," she continued.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/10/11/wikileaks-clinton-bragged-putin-taking-private-inner-sanctum/
30 people turned out for the Tim Kaine Rally in Florida. Trump had 27,000 at his Rally . I think we can do the math it's a no brainer.
Even Bill knows who will win DESPITE those voting machines that are rumored to be switching your vote
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I do hope you are right Zorgon! :)
ya know Z i do like you but i don't like your tactics on this election you are sounding much more like the vote protectors mentioned below
as a green card holder and paying no taxes and getting free medical
you just might be one of the first useless eaters tossed by this man you are promoting..a cheating, lying ego driven sexist juvenile.
sad..very sad... to go as low as he has
Vote Protectors, the anti-voter-fraud group hosted by Donald Trump ally and political dirty trickster Roger Stone, plans to send volunteers to monitor polling places in nine cities with high minority populations on Election Day, Stone said last week. Untrained poll-watchers have intimidated voters in previous elections. But Vote Protectors is going further than its predecessors.
Stone's group created an official-looking ID badge for its volunteers to wear, and its volunteers planned to videotape voters and conduct fake "exit polls," efforts that election experts say risks intimidating and confusing voters. Or at least that's what the group was planning to do before The Huffington Post asked Stone about it on Tuesday. The controversial Trump ally, long known for his bare-knuckled political tactics, said that key proposals on his group's websites were there without his knowledge, and assured HuffPost that he would operate within the confines of election law.
Stone had initially refused to explain just how Vote Protectors planned to accomplish its goals. So on Monday, The Huffington Post responded to the group's request for additional volunteers to work as "Exit Pollers and Citizen Journalists."
Once registered, HuffPost used the site's "I.D. Badge Generator" to create this badge, which could pass for an official credential to people unfamiliar with polling signage and rules.
Space Otter, do you not know or understand that the United States of America is in the process of being destroyed by the powers that be?? Well, we all should, because the demonstration of that fact has never been made more clear, over these past 8 years, and especially during this election process. Even the republican hierarchy is doing all they can to work against the Republican nominee of the people! Most everything the current administration has done has clearly been to satisfy desires to "change America" toward Obama's Marxist thoughts!
Hillary has been a genuine part of all that has happened by this administration, and she has committed to continue Obama's governing directions!! And during this contest, the true Hillary has and is becoming very clear. She should be headed to jail, not to the office of President. No reason for me to mention all of the specifics of her terrible history, as they are so publicly available.
A vote for Donald Trump is a vote to get back to heading in the right direction for our country!! :)
Quote from: space otter on October 26, 2016, 04:06:49 PM
as a green card holder and paying no taxes and getting free medical
you just might be one of the first useless eaters tossed by this man you are promoting..a cheating, lying ego driven sexist juvenile. [/b][/color]
not sure where you get that idea :P I pay my taxes just fine, though I DO use all the legal deductions I am allowed. As to free medical. I have ZERO coverage at this time thanks to Obama care and have been paying the fine for no coverage, thanks to Obama. I will be eligible for medicare in a few months but that is not free as they take that out of social security. And the extra plans are very expensive thanks to Obamara care.
Politics always causes issues between friends :P
But frankly I fail to understand how a good researcher like yourself can ignore all the crap lying on Hillary's doorstep
Oh well it will all be a done deal in a few weeks so we shall see if the USA survives.
There really is very little we can do about it anyway. If the "FIX" is in then nothing we do, say or vote will change anything.
Right now the internet is full of reports of voting machines in the early voting that are CHANGING a Trump vote to a Hillary vote... Are the stories true? Don't know yet haven't had time to check... but it appears the scuttle butt is saying Soros machines are changing votes
Here are a few of the reports to check
Texas Rigged? Reports Of Voting Machines Switching Votes To Hillary In Texas
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-25/texas-rigged-first-reports-voting-machines-switching-votes-hillary-texas
CONFIRMED by Experts! Voting Machines in Maryland, Illinois Rigged to Support Democrats
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/confirmed-experts-voting-machines-maryland-illinois-rigged-support-democrats/
Ballot troubles: Long lines, vote-changing machines reported amid record-breaking early turnout
https://www.rt.com/usa/364087-ballot-troubles-early-voting/
Voters in Texas say machines changed Trump votes to Clinton, but officials call it user error
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/2016-presidential-election/2016/10/25/voters-texas-say-machines-changed-trump-votes-clinton-elections-officials-say-just-user-error
REPORT: VOTES SWITCHED FROM TRUMP TO HILLARY IN TEXAS
"She voted straight Republican and the vote had changed to Clinton!"
http://www.infowars.com/report-votes-switched-from-trump-to-hillary-in-texas/
If there is ANY truth to those reports at all then we are so screwed and there is NOTHING we can do. But right now the stories are going viral and the issue is nationwide...
I am going back to selling rocks and my medieval life :P Spent a whole week and not ONE person mentioned Poly Ticks
ANONYMOUS WATCH - HILLARY CLINTON, YOU ARE FINISHED! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3U990BmhoQ)
Politics always causes issues between friends :P
i hate to bring this to the top again but
you are totally correct and i apologize for going personal..uncalled for
maybe you can erase my crass remarks as i go and soak my head
frustration on both sides i leading to shouting and hair pulling and scared folks as to what will happen
i should have just followed A51's lead and stayed in the music thread...he's pretty smart
while i totally still disagree with chump as a choice i should have respected everyone elses right to an opinion, weather they can vote or not...i didn't.. sorry
i'll just go back out and rake more leaves
Quote from: space otter on October 26, 2016, 10:35:27 PM
i'll just go back out and rake more leaves
No apology needed :D
As to leaves I am still running my AC :o I don't want to say 'Global Warming" but :P
In a turn of events that shocked the political world and threw the presidential race into unprecedented turmoil, Donald J. Trump announced yesterday that he is quitting the race and endorsing Hillary Clinton.
Trump said the only point of his campaign was to show how stupid and gullible many Republican voters are.
"I've been a Democrat all of my adult life," Trump told a packed and boisterous news conference. "But I knew if I ran as a Republican and said increasingly ridiculous, idiotic, racist and sexist things that I would get a lot of votes."
But he said he had no idea he would be able to win the Republican nomination and poll 40 percent or better in a national race against Clinton.
"Did people really believe that I could build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico and get the Mexicans to pay for it?" Trump asked, "and that we could deport 11 million illegal aliens? That's ridiculous. How could we possibly do that?"
Trump said he wanted to show just how gullible the far-right wing was and how weak-kneed Republican leaders were.
"Even after I made racist statements about that judge and attacked a Gold Star family, the Republican leadership continued to endorse me," Trump said. "Man, what does it take to get tossed out of the Republican Party?"
He also pointed out that he had offered no real solutions to any of the country's problems and nobody, even the news media, took much notice that "there was no there there in my campaign," he said.
House Speaker Paul Ryan, while expressing shock at Trump's announcement, said, "After I thought about it a bit, I realized this made a lot more sense then the campaign he was running. The joke's on us."
Fifty-one Republicans immediately announced their candidacy to replace Trump on the ballot.
Asked if he felt any remorse about fooling so many people, Trump answered in typical Trumpian style: "No. They're all losers."
There's Got To Be A Morning After And Trump Thumpers Will NOT Burn Down America
10/26/2016 04:14 pm ET | Updated 4 hours ago
Lorraine Devon Wilke
Sass & Sensibility
"Are we going to be okay? Please say yes. Make a case for how we can overcome what he's doing to destroy decency, civilization and the fabric of our democracy." - posted on Facebook
I get it. I get the question. Spoken from a place of real fear and anxiety, it echoes what many Americans feel as we near the end of this interminable campaign and face the (hopeful) reality of a Trump-free world. A world in which every headline isn't about his latest scandal or verbal gaffe. A world in which we can turn on the news and not be regaled with his mangling of topics beyond his grasp. A world in which a day can go by without Trump.
Well, at least the Trump screeching hate, lies, and disrespect from red-white-and-blue election podiums, the Trump sputtering incomprehensible word salad at every campaign question; the Trump pretending to have a clue how to run the county, and certainly the Trump who's given voice to the grizzled, low-information, tunnel-visioned, privileged white voters who want America to go back to a time when unprivileged people of color just worked for them.
But like mosquitoes and taxes, we'll likely never rid ourselves of him completely. He's yet to face his day in court on rape charges and fraudulent universities; it's hinted he may launch a media endeavor to keep his name in glowing orange lights, and certainly he, his lockstep children, and other surrogates will be out hawking his now-"Scion" products and properties (he's giving up the Trump name, having discovered the brand tanked along with his presidential aspirations!). But at least he'll be off the mainstage of American politics, hopefully forever.
But what happens November 9th with his teeming, seething supporters, the cultists he's whipped into a frenzy of hate and fear? Are they takin' it to the streets, as some have threatened? Will democracy be put on hold while a petulant Trump suspends concession like a recalcitrant child? Will red-hatted minions launch a violent revolution of Trumpian proportions?
I love the media; I'm tangentially part of the media, but I gotta say: the media has done their clickbaiting, ember-stoking, fear-mongering best to whip up panic on those very questions. Every day I see more and more articles warning that white supremacists are threatening war, gun-toting "make America great again" devotees are planning coups, along with more generalized rumblings of violence and "revolution" if the sputtering man in orange does not pull out the win. To which I say:
Really?
Are the wizened old red-staters going to get out there with their hunting rifles to set the night on fire? Will ornery millennials who think it's cooly subversive to "blow up America" with a Trump vote going to march to the White House with raised fists? Can we expect the seemingly normal folks positioned behind Trump at rallies to leave their jobs and families to go to the mattresses in widespread revolt?
I don't know... I don't think so.
But, some cry, what about the KKK, the Aryan Nation; the more generalized bigots and xenophobes; the gun-thumpers, religious fundamentalists, government haters and nationalistic white folks who see Trump as their last chance to roll America back to pre-evolutionary days when gays, women, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims; anyone who is not them had zero rights and zero power? What about them? Will they riot in the streets on November 9th? Will they build coalitions of like-minded egoists to turn back time, rescind progress, and promote a caustic agenda of regression, fear, and disrespect all wrapped in a chewy layer of hate?
Again, I don't know. Maybe? But if so, we millions of contributing taxpayers have funded countless police departments, a National Guard, and a powerful military force with our taxes; I trust they'd step in if need be. We live in cities and towns that have strong street-watch programs and caring, compassionate neighbors who look out for each other; they'll set off alarms if marauding Trumpians start marching down their streets. As members of a society that promotes civility and consideration, we retain confidence in the innate human impulse to stand up against bullies, bigots, and agitators.
If, on November 9th, the disappointed red-hatters do take to the streets, I have faith that those looking for peace, harmony, and the opportunity to coalesce around progress will far outnumber the pitchfork crowd. Good people have stood up to the Westboro Baptists, the KKK, and various throngs of frenzied haters who've attempted to hijack American civil liberties throughout time. If the harangue of "there's gonna be trouble" does prove to be portentous, we will simply have to stand up to it... and peace will prevail. There's more of us than them, and we are not shy.
However else Election 2016 will be remembered, it has been a litmus test of where our fellow Americans stand on some of the most important issues of the day. The stakes have been high and the contrast never more black and white. We've learned who aligns with our worldview and who shatters it. Many have lost friends; families have been impacted, people have unfollowed, blocked, and unfriended in their fervor to stand firm beside what they believe important. It's been a bloodbath in some ways. But despite our throbbing heads, the ache of battered psyches; mouths dried from months of articulating rational thought, fact vs. fiction, compassionate dialogue, and the hope of a better future, we will survive, however this election lands.
Whatever the morning after brings — and, dear God, I hope it brings shattered ceilings and the advancement of compassionate America! — we will survive. Even if Trump unfathomably pulls it out, we will survive. We on the side of progress will simply work all the harder to activate our government system of checks and balances; continue to educate and promote higher ideals, hold our elected officials to their stated missions, be vigilant to where our society trends, and do everything in our power to make his a four-year endeavor.
But if Trump, as expected, does not win, we will celebrate madly, then get on with the task of holding our leaders to their promises, to their programs, to the progress they spoke to and we voted for, while engaging families, friends, communities, towns, and states to continue to work for positive outcomes on all the issues we've deemed essential. We will even reach out to the less rigid of Trump supporters to attempt to bring them into the fold... we're all Americans, after all, and one can hope! But it doesn't stop on November 9th; it's just the morning after and the first day of what's next. Let's be ready, enthused, and active.
And remember: we have endured many horrific events throughout our history; revolution, native genocide, slavery, civil war, world wars, poverty, depression, crime; terrorism, and we have always endured. We've survived. We've rebuilt. We will survive Election 2016. And we will transcend Trump. We are nothing if not a hearty people!
no need to post links anymore..no body checks sources ..it doesn't seem important whose mouth the words fall out of..all things spoken and written are true
I checked. I know what the title was LOL ;)
Just having a bit of fun with the more gullible members...
Quote from: space otter on October 27, 2016, 03:50:31 AM
no need to post links anymore..no body checks sources ..it doesn't seem important whose mouth the words fall out of..all things spoken and written are true
Yes there is... you post the LINKY so we don't get SUED for PLAGERISM
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Donald Trump's Hollywood Walk Of Fame Star Vandalized With Sledgehammer
(http://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/trump-star-1.jpg?w=446&h=299&crop=1)
http://deadline.com/2016/10/donald-trump-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-destroyed-vandals-1201842842/
I know who did it :P
It was HILLARY and i have the picture to prove it "{
(http://www.macelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Hillary-wiht-a-sledge-hammer-hackers-Scmackers-300x158.jpg)
This pretty much covers it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St25jdBdtmE
(http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/ONLINE-RALLY-BATTLE-01-800x416.jpg)
http://truthfeed.com/battle-of-the-online-rallies-in-cleveland-trump-1-7-million-views-hillary-3825-views/31795/
Hillary looking a tad worse for wear here
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Quote from: space otter on October 26, 2016, 10:35:27 PM
while i totally still disagree with chump as a choice i should have respected everyone elses right to an opinion, weather they can vote or not...i didn't.. sorry
They have the right to be wrong. You're right so chill out. ;)
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2016, 06:58:26 AM
It was HILLARY and i have the picture to prove it "{
(http://www.macelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Hillary-wiht-a-sledge-hammer-hackers-Scmackers-300x158.jpg)
This one made me laugh
Who said it: Donald Trump or Adolf Hitler? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12038640/Who-said-it-Donald-Trump-or-Adolf-Hitler.html)
Quote from: Pimander on October 27, 2016, 11:49:50 AM
Who said it: Donald Trump or Adolf Hitler? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12038640/Who-said-it-Donald-Trump-or-Adolf-Hitler.html)
I actually heard Trump say that HOWEVER all the media edits his words. What he said was "...until we can do proper background checks!"
on the wall he said ...we will have a gate to allow LEGAL entry in that wall" That is even covered in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tE6T-ecmg
No one actually LISTENS to what he says :P They just pick portions that can be shown in a bad light to promote their own agenda.
Like that black cop who heard the rhetoric about how Trump rallies were racist so he decided to go check it out in person
Here is what he found LISTEN to this stop believing the internet BS and go see for yourself (not you :P being your in UK )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q6jHad-XG0
BTW one thing about Hitler He was a very bad dude to be sure BUT he was FOR the German people, not against like Hillary et al
All that aside... allowing ANYONE into your country without a full and proper background check is STUPID at best..
When I immigrated to the US I had to have a full background check... I still have the papers RCMP, FBI even Interpol... my wife had a small past charge on her record for shop lifting as a juvenile THAT record caused her to be DENIED ACCESS
I had to got to Niagara Falls crossing with the kids and enter officially and then I could request her to be allowed in because of the kids being separated from their mother. That took THREE WEEKS to get her in
So WHY does ANYONE think letting people from a region that we are more or less at war with, people that hate our very way of life, is a good idea? Sure the majority of Muslims are peaceful HOWEVER even the peaceful ones do sh!t like this
Muslim Parent Warns School Board 'We're Going to Be the Majority Soon' as Meeting Gets Heated and Security Is Neededhttp://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/22/were-going-to-be-the-majority-soon-security-gets-involved-as-school-board-meeting-gets-heated-over-muslim-holiday/
If this is what PEACEFUL Muslims do you really want to just open the gates and let them in by the thousands?
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2016, 09:09:47 AM
This pretty much covers it
Not really, it could be just a misaligned touch-screen.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 27, 2016, 09:40:29 PM
Not really, it could be just a misaligned touch-screen.
Sure it could :P On several thousand machines with the same 'error'
I gues quality control is not important for voting machines :p Well I guess its not like they count or anything :P
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2016, 10:21:49 PM
Sure it could :P On several thousand machines with the same 'error'
I guess quality control is not important for voting machines :p Well I guess its not like they count or anything :P
Nope quality control is not important for voting machines, especially in those areas of our country where a valid death certificate is acceptable for ID!!!!!
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/yesitis-noitisnt.gif)
Quote from: zorgon on October 27, 2016, 10:21:49 PM
Sure it could :P On several thousand machines with the same 'error'
The video only shows one. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 28, 2016, 01:05:46 AM
The video only shows one. :)
thought you didn't watch videos :P
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but the reports speak of the thousands all across the country. besides since you can only vote ONCE getting more than one machine on video would be difficult :P
(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14720611_1297230570328188_2268376001964250812_n.jpg?oh=9beadfc6b2cf9c1d8aa73753be21a77c&oe=58D4D709)
Here is one for Space Otter :P
Hillary Clinton In 2013: "I Would Like To See People Like Donald Trump Run For Office; They're Honest And Can't Be Bought"QuoteBefore running against billionaire real estate mogul Donald Trump for the presidency, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told an audience at a private, paid speech she wanted to see more successful businessmen and women run for office because they can't be bought.
In a speech made public by Wikileaks – which released an email from Hillary for America Research Director Tony Caark containing three attached speeches given at a private Goldman Sachs events – Clinton spoke and took audience questions at the "Builders and Innovators Summit" hosted by Goldman Sachs on October 29, 2013.
Answering a question about businessmen in politics, Clinton said that they are "most often the people that look over the horizon," and therefore share a vision that many politicians of today lack. "And that's a very good question and thank you for asking it. Yes, I would love to see more businessmen go into politics because I believe they would bring in an entirely different mindset and strategies than what we're used to seeing traditionally," she opined.
And then she just had to go on. "In fact, when you say businessmen and women, I can't help but think of a particular one that I would just love to see running for the presidency at some point in the future," Clinton added. "I don't know what it is exactly about him, I can't quite put my finger on it, but my instinct is almost never wrong. And it's telling me that Donald Trump would be very successful if he were to venture into politics in the future."
http://conservativestate.com/hillary-clinton-2013-like-see-people-like-donald-trump-run-office-theyre-honest-cant-bought/
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Quote from: zorgon on October 28, 2016, 03:37:36 AM
thought you didn't watch videos :P
You were wrong, I watch videos if I find the subject interesting or if they are short, usually less than two minutes, which was the case.
Quotebut the reports speak of the thousands all across the country.
Well, in that case post the reports. :)
Quotebesides since you can only vote ONCE getting more than one machine on video would be difficult :P
If the reports speak of thousands it would be easy to create a video with some of those thousands of examples.
Quote from: zorgon on October 28, 2016, 10:12:05 AM
Hillary Clinton In 2013: "I Would Like To See People Like Donald Trump Run For Office; They're Honest And Can't Be Bought"
That's one of the funny things about this election, they attack each other but some years ago they both praised each other.
Did something change or is this "just for the show"? :)
I voted yesterday as I can't stand for long periods of time and wanted to avoid the wait on Election Day. The place was packed. Our IDs were examined very closely and we had to fill out a detailed purple form before entering the polling room.
Our ballots were in order, everyone appeared as they should have and the voting method was to fill in the little oval with a black pen (obviously machine-read). They were very specific that we use the pen provided in the booth. I examined it closely. It was a black mass-produced Paper Mate pen.
After voting we put the ballot in an envelope and went to a table where we witnessed the envelope sealed by an election worker and then we signed and dated the envelope and the poll worker did as well as a witness.
I do not trust machines. Everyone knows they can be tampered with. I believe everything should be done by hard copy and physically counted by a team of human beings. We don't need to know the results so badly that we can't wait a few days for this process to be completed.
I know I'm showing my age with this attitude. I have a very old-fashioned attitude about how things should work in this country and I hate that traditional values are virtually dead here.
Our best years, despite some hardships, were from '45 following our victories to Kennedy's assassination. Our zenith was brief, but wonderful. The country was ticking along smoothly with just a few hiccups.
Now she is only a husk.
In my humble opinion, nothing gets better with age.
/nostalgia trip
Quote from: ArMaP on October 28, 2016, 01:43:55 PM
That's one of the funny things about this election, they attack each other but some years ago they both praised each other.
Did something change or is this "just for the show"? :)
THAT is the million dollar question. There is a video of Obama in 2008 when he ran for president where he is telling us Hillary is untrustworthy :P
As for Trump this just in...
Freed Pastor Saeed Abedini Says Donald Trump Gave $10K to Help His Family While He Was Suffering in Iranian Jail For His Faith
Iranian-American Pastor Saeed Abedini is brimming with gratitude for one U.S. presidential aspirant: Donald Trump.
In a surprising revelation, Abedini said the Republican presidential nominee helped provide for the needs of his family in Boise, Idaho while he was locked up in an Iranian prison for his faith. The pastor said Trump gave his family $10,000 while he was imprisoned for three and a half years.
"I am finally free in a free country. Last year on the same day I was sick and in chains for Christ, and now I can vote to choose my next president," Abedini said in a post on his Facebook page on Sunday.
"And most amazingly, I can vote for someone that I know fought for me and called my name so many times. He met my family and gave them a $10,000 gift. I think his ideas are more biblical than the other candidates," he added.
In contrast, Abedini said Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton did not do or say anything to help secure his release from Iranian prison. The pastor said Clinton never spoke his name or met his family.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/freed.pastor.saeed.abedini.says.donald.trump.gave.10k.to.help.his.family.while.he.was.suffering.in.iranian.jail.for.his.faith/99015.htm
So has FOX NEWS changes their agenda? Seems all of a sudden they are going after the Clintons
WikiLeaks: Clinton aides scramble to address alleged mistress nicknamed 'Energizer Bunny'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/23/wikileaks-clinton-aides-scramble-to-address-alleged-mistress-nicknamed-energizer-bunny.html
Says in that report that Hillary favors women...
well that is obvious :P
(http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Screen-Shot-2016-05-18-at-2.49.36-PM-1024x734.png)
Well, I'm a rabid heterosexual, but it's hard to miss big boobs that are barely concealed.
Don't get me wrong, I hate Hillary, but I think this was a normal reaction.
Quote from: Irene on October 28, 2016, 03:22:49 PM
Our ballots were in order, everyone appeared as they should have and the voting method was to fill in the little oval with a black pen (obviously machine-read).
So that means that even the "hand-made votes" are counted by machines. Hmm, I wonder how easy it would be to tamper with those...
QuoteI do not trust machines. Everyone knows they can be tampered with. I believe everything should be done by hard copy and physically counted by a team of human beings. We don't need to know the results so badly that we can't wait a few days for this process to be completed.
I'm a programmer and I don't trust machines. :)
In Portugal we mostly use the old method of hand counting the votes, but if each voting section counts their votes they will get the results in just a few hours, after some 4 hours we have almost final results.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 28, 2016, 11:25:12 PM
So that means that even the "hand-made votes" are counted by machines. Hmm, I wonder how easy it would be to tamper with those...
I'm a programmer and I don't trust machines. :)
Well, Brazil was one of the first to implement electronic voting machines and as you know our politicians are incorruptible, a beacon of unbreakable gentleman's that only think about the well-being of their people and country. Im sure there is no way anyone cheat an election with those machines.
After that said, let me quote Zorgon:
ZOMG!!!! ::)
Quote from: zorgon on October 28, 2016, 03:37:36 AM
but the reports speak of the thousands all across the country. besides since you can only vote ONCE getting more than one machine on video would be difficult :P
Stop frothing about the vote being rigged when it is irrelevant. Trump can't win. Here is why.
QuoteRonald Reagan, with an electorate 87 per cent white, could campaign with only them in mind. No American president can be elected on that ticket today – some 30 per cent of voters in this year's election are expected to be non-white.
White America can't always get what it wants.
Donald Trump's campaign is concentrating on white, Republican Americans – and that's why he'll lose (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-white-house-replublican-voters-white-americans-a7386146.html)
And this is the clincher. He is basically a bog standard republican but with a streak for saying stupid things!
QuoteThe longer I spent in the crowd, the more I realised they were so at ease with Trump because that which is supposedly so radical about him is, in fact, just Republican tradition.
Ranting about "corrupt" Washington? That builds on decades of attacks on "corrupt big government". Endless dog-whistle class and dog-whistle race? This goes right back to Richard Nixon. I met with a lot of anti-Hillary ranting, but that is nothing new either. This election is the result of a 25-year Fox TV-driven delegitimisation campaign, where dozens of hacks have made careers convincing audiences that the Clintons could even be murderers.
Back in DC, it started to feel obvious that American conservatives are in denial about two things. First, that Trump represents a natural, logical continuity with decades of Republican rhetoric. Second, that most Trump voters are just like the people I met in Virginia: middle-class white Americans.
The same goes for his core support. The average pro-Trump household, supporting him in the primaries, earns $72,000 (£59,000) a year. The national average is $56,000. This is mainstream America.