actually being pres was never the goal

[ArMaP]

I also believe that people should be allowed to own their homes or smaller businesses so I am not a communist.

As you probably know, the Communist Party is relatively big in Portugal (the fourth biggest, if I'm not mistaken), so I know several members (I'm not a member), and all of them believe in private property for things like home and small business (almost all how small businesses).

[rdunk]

Pimander, this is just for you - I am even more concerned about your intelligence!! 

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" (alternatively, "There is no such thing as a free lunch" or other variants) is a popular adage communicating the idea that it is impossible to get something for nothing. The acronyms TANSTAAFL, TINSTAAFL, and TNSTAAFL, are also used. Uses of the phrase dating back to the 1930s and 1940s have been found, but the phrase's first appearance is unknown.[1] The "free lunch" in the saying refers to the nineteenth-century practice in American bars of offering a "free lunch" in order to entice drinking customers.

The phrase and the acronym are central to Robert Heinlein's 1966 science-fiction novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, which helped popularize it.[2][3] The free-market economist Milton Friedman also popularized the phrase[1] by using it as the title of a 1975 book,[4] and it is used in economics literature to describe opportunity cost.[5] Campbell McConnell writes that the idea is "at the core of economics".[6]

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1   History and usage
1.1   "Free lunch"
1.2   Early uses
1.3   Popularization
1.4   Meanings
2   See also
3   Notes
4   References

Read more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain%27t_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch

[Pimander]

Free education is not a free lunch.  Educated people pay more taxes so they pay for their education anyway.  It simply provides an opportunity for poorer kids.  It is called fairness.

You may prefer a less fair system.  But don't try and dress an elitist education system as a freedom for all.  It is jst a way to keep the rich better off.

As you probably know, the Communist Party is relatively big in Portugal (the fourth biggest, if I'm not mistaken), so I know several members (I'm not a member), and all of them believe in private property for things like home and small business (almost all how small businesses).

The true definition of Communism is (well was anyway) the collective ownership of all property.  I believe in a mixture of socialism and enterprise.

The Portuguese Communist Party sounds like a democratic socialist party in my opinion.  Many Americans think Hilary is a commie.  Ironically the former Russian Communist Party member Putin supports Trump. LOL 

[rdunk]

Closed borders, non-socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, strong military and low taxes are freedoms?  Strange freedoms you have...

ArMaP........just so you will know!

"Closed Borders" - means borders are closed to illegal entry into the United States. They are not "closed" to citizens of the United States for exit or re-entry. The existing laws of the United States already prohibit illegal entry, but the current administration has ignored the law and is allowing open illegal entry, which is costing this country many billions of dollars annually. Only with closed borders and "lawful/legal" immigration are our freedoms as a country and as a people retained!!

Supreme Court - is simply supposed to interpret the law according to the original intent of the Constitution of the United States. The progressive left (and Hillary) continue to push for the Supreme Court for doing more that goes against what the Constitution sets forth. Only with a Constitutionally bound Supreme Court do we the people retain our freedoms

Strong military - nothing different from what we have always had, until Obama got his hands on it. Now the military is significantly weaker in several areas, and must be improved - peace and freedom through strength!

[space otter]

  welll he isn't well liked  is he?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37708665

Canada's two Trump towers facing troubles
By Jessica Murphy
BBC News, Toronto
23 October 2016
From the section US & Canada

In Vancouver, the developer of a new Trump Tower has been under pressure for months to drop the Republican presidential candidate's name from the project. Meanwhile, the Trump Tower in Toronto is the subject of a lawsuit after facing years of controversy.

Donald Trump's controversial run for US president is having an impact on his businesses in Canada and knock-on effects for those who have partnered with his brand.

The opening date for the Vancouver hotel has been delayed until 2017, well after November's US election. A contest offering a chance to meet with the Trump family for the grand opening caused a stir.

Across the country, the Toronto building, which opened in 2012, has been the target of a lawsuit by small investors who claim they were misled into buying into the project. Its developer, Talon Development Inc, has tried to remove the Trump name from the troubled hotel and condominium complex.

The story is similar in other countries.

In Dubai, a firm building a golf complex with Mr Trump removed his name and image from the property. In Turkey, the developers of Trump Towers Istanbul have tried to distance themselves from the Republican hopeful. And there have been protests outside Trump buildings in the US.

Demonstrators and decadence at Trump's new Washington hotel

An Angus Reid Institute poll released in December indicated that 56% of Canadians supported having the Trump brand dumped from the two Canadian towers.

Brent Toderian, a Vancouver-based city planner, was the first to openly oppose Trump branding on the 63-storey Canadian tower, designed by famed architect Arthur Erickson to have a distinctive 45-degree twist as it rose into the sky.
"We've taken a building that is the second-tallest in the skyline, carefully planned at least in part by one of our most revered Canadian architects - a very elegant piece of architecture for our skyline - and retroactively duct-taped Trump's name to it," he said in an interview.

The luxury hotel and condominium tower in downtown Vancouver is owned by the Holborn Group, a private real-estate developer which partnered with the Trump brand in 2013.
Mr Trump attended the announcement, accompanied by his children, Eric, Ivanka, and Donald Jr.

"I believe it's going to be a fantastic success. I love Vancouver," said Mr Trump at the time.
The project is licensed to use the Trump name and brand - including for Canada's first Mar-a-Lago Spa by Ivanka Trump - and will be managed by the real estate magnate's company, which is also overseeing the building's interior design.

In December, Mr Toderian renewed his call for the Holborn Group to distance themselves from the Trump name. He was joined by Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson, who said the brand had no place on the city's skyline.

"Donald Trump's hateful positions and commentary remind us all of much darker times in our world's past - and it is incumbent upon all of us to forcefully challenge hatred in all of the ways that it confronts us," he wrote in a letter to the developer.

The Holborn Group did not respond to requests for comment but in previous statements has noted that the still-unfinished building will create some 300 new jobs.

"Holborn, a company that has contributed immensely to the growth of Vancouver, is not in any way involved in US politics. As such, we would not comment further on Mr Trump's personal or political agenda, nor any political issues, local or foreign," CEO Joo Kim Tiah said in December.

Despite the fuss, nearly 10,000 people have applied to work at the Vancouver Trump Tower, according to the hotel's general manager, and Holborn says it has sold all the luxury condos in the building.

In Toronto, project developer Talon was close to a deal to sell the troubled 65-storey hotel and condominium complex at the heart of the city's financial district earlier this year. However, Toronto's Trump Tower is currently off the market.

Talon chairman Alex Shnaider was also trying to have the Trump name removed from the building, at one point seeking to do so through arbitration. Those efforts also appear to have stalled. A lawyer for Talon refused to comment other than to note there is currently no lawsuit between the owners of the hotel and Mr Trump.
Mr Trump first announced his involvement in an early version of the project in 2001 and it was brought under the Trump brand umbrella in 2004. The businessman attended the official groundbreaking in 2007.

The Trump Organization does not have an ownership stake in the building but it operates and manages the hotel and licenses the Trump name to the complex for a fee.

The building is the subject of a lawsuit by disgruntled buyers who lost money after investing in the property, in one instance almost 1m Canadian dollars ($750,000; £613,000).
In a recent decision, an Ontario court ruled in favour of two investors, saying one could be discharged from his obligations and another could be awarded damages.

Talon is considering appealing against the decision.

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from the place you don't like

TOXIC: GOP Candidates Threaten Lawsuits Over Ads Linking Them To Trump

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-tv-ads-trump_us_580e34b2e4b000d0b157b24f

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oh yeah and more on the op which was where we started
basically it was a game for him 


Donald Trump May Launch TV Venture After Election
Son-in-law and top adviser Jared Kushner reportedly "approached" a firm specializing in media deals.
10/17/2016 11:10 am ET | Updated Oct 17, 2016

NEW YORK ? Can Donald Trump turn voters into viewers?

There have been rumblings for months that the media-obsessed former reality star's endgame is to launch a media company after the election to capitalize on the support he's received.

That theory gained more traction Monday as the Financial Times reported that Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner spoke with a boutique media deal-making firm about the prospect of launching a television network. Kushner, who owns the New York Observer, contacted LionTree founder and chief executive Aryeh Bourkoff within the past couple months, according to the paper. 


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can you say dictator?

Trump explains why the First Amendment has 'too much protection' for free speech
"Our press is allowed to say whatever they want."

Trump answered in the affirmative, saying he'd like to change the laws to make it easier to sue media companies. Trump lamented that, under current law, "our press is allowed to say whatever they want."
He recommended moving to a system like in England where someone who sues a media company has "a good chance of winning."

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-first-amendment-too-much-protection-37e72ee16ea2#.uykahuf8j

Trump calls polls phony, insists he's winning, says press has too much ...
www.japantimes.co.jp/.../trump-calls-polls-phony-insists-hes-winning-s...The Japan Times
5 hours ago - A day after suggesting the First Amendment to the Constitution may give the press too much freedom, he insisted that the media are promoting ...

Donald Trump said the First Amendment offers too much freedom for ...
circa.com/.../donald-trump-said-the-first-amendment-offers-too-much-freedom-for-th...
8 hours ago - Just don't make 'terrible mistakes' In Trump's words, the First Amendment allows the press "to say whatever they want." But he also insists he's ...

Trump Threatens Freedom Of The Press With Chilling Statement On ...
www.dailykos.com/.../-Trump-Threatens-Freedom-Of-The-Press-With-Chill...
Daily Kos
39 mins ago - Trump Threatens Freedom Of The Press With Chilling Statement On The Media .... He was asked "Do you think there is too much protection allowed in the ... the system in England where he thinks it's easier to sue the media.

Trump wants to weaken libel laws amid feuds with reporters | Fox News
www.foxnews.com/.../trump-wants-to-weaken-libel-laws-amid-feuds-with-rep...Fox News
Feb 27, 2016 - Feeling maligned by the media, Donald Trump is threatening to weaken ... "Trump gets offended, he gets upset and he wants to sue to retaliate.

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oh and just for chuckles

vid at link
blob:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fc92ffc5-28f1-41d4-bce2-d62f1bf84e39


Trump Denounced His Campaign Rhetoric Two Decades Before Running For President

It's no secret that Donald Trump has flip-flopped on a number of hot-button issues throughout his time in the public eye, but there's one 1999 interview that encapsulates his changing positions particularly well.

The Republican presidential nominee spoke with Tim Russert on "Meet The Press" 17 years ago while he was considering a presidential run. In the interview, Trump chastised then-presidential candidate Pat Buchanan for appealing to the "staunch right, wacko vote." 

Years later, now that Trump himself is running for president, his conversation with Russert is especially interesting, as certain aspects of Buchanan's candidacy have come to define Trump's own campaign. Trump, who called Buchanan "inflammatory, outrageous, and controversial" in his book "The America We Deserve," has also built his campaign along similar lines. Trump began his campaign calling Mexicans "rapists" and "criminals," has alienated African-Americans with his tone-deaf remarks about "the blacks" and even suggested banning Muslims from the United States.

Buchanan's platform was also centered around issues like anti-globalization and a promise to put Americans first ? both of which Trump has taken up as well. His proposed U.S.-Mexico border wall has been a linchpin of his campaign, as has the slogan he borrowed from President Ronald Reagan, "Make America Great Again."

In addition to embracing an ideology that aligns with Buchanan's, Trump made other observations and declarations during the interview that undermine his current values and behavior.

During the Russert interview, Trump said his views on abortion were "strongly pro-choice." His pro-abortion rights position, stated so firmly during the interview, has changed drastically. The GOP nominee mischaracterized late-term abortions in graphic terms during the final presidential debate and once suggested "some sort of punishment" for women who end their pregnancy.

Trump also discussed his controversial playboy reputation with women during the interview. Trump told Russert, "I am single and I do go out with women and I do respect and adore women." But the fact that more than a dozen women have come forward in recent weeks accusing him of sexually abusive behavior ? following the leak earlier this month of a 2005 hot-mic recording of Trump talking about groping women ? suggests otherwise.

Hear some of Donald Trump's comments in the video above.

This video was produced by Liz Martinez and Gemma Sapwell, and edited by Lee Porcella.


oh yeah and i agree with the following
Editor's note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.

[rdunk]

Space Otter, do you not understand the fact that the huffington post is anti conservative anything, and that is what they put out in their rag! They too are likely well paid by the DNC for putting out such crap, just as they pay for all sorts of other stuff to sometimes illegally slant the politics their way!!

Trump is big business, and no big business is without dissenters and lawsuits.....constantly, for every kind of reason. Do I think Trump's businesses are perfect? Absolutely not!! But then none are without various attacks for attacker reasons. That is why Corporate attorneys are very plentiful but very busy when they are needed!!

For America in this election, there is only one real choice, and that choice its Donald Trump!!

Actually, before this is over, wikileaks may have Hillary essentially out of this anyway!! She may have messed up 1 too many times, to actually assume the position of President!

[space otter]

rdunk

i hear you.. and like i said  i am not a hillary fan
but my vote is for the lesser of two evils
because as bad as you think she is
i think he is 10 times worse...
so i guess we just go and cancel each other out at the  polls
take a deep breath and do the best as we can with what happens..

each of us can only do what we think is right..that's all

[rdunk]

rdunk

i hear you.. and like i said  i am not a hillary fan
but my vote is for the lesser of two evils
because as bad as you think she is
i think he is 10 times worse...
so i guess we just go and cancel each other out at the  polls
take a deep breath and do the best as we can with what happens..

each of us can only do what we think is right..that's all

Absolutely Space Otter! I am totally at peace with all of this. Sure, there are things I would like to see for the good of the people and the country, but all that is happening is bigger and is much more than the physical reality of this world. Sure, I will vote too as this is what we are to do. But, all of this is "of the world", and there is a really great day coming, no matter what is happening, or who is President!!  So, for me, regardless who wins this election, I am at peace with the spiritual reality that I know, and will continue in that "until he comes"! ††† 

[zorgon]

i hear you.. and like i said  i am not a hillary fan
but my vote is for the lesser of two evils
because as bad as you think she is
i think he is 10 times worse...

But..

What IF you are wrong?

[zorgon]

I am at peace with the spiritual reality that I know, and will continue in that "until he comes"! ††† 

I am voting for the other one..as the lesser of two evils

[Pimander]

As a kindred spirit of his, Lucifer gets my vote every time.  I've never been a yes man.  Lucifer is the ultimate Libertarian.

[ArMaP]

ArMaP........just so you will know!

I do know, thanks for helping me prove my point.

[ArMaP]

Trump is big business, and no big business is without dissenters and lawsuits.....constantly, for every kind of reason.

That reminded me of something: has any US president been someone so strongly linked to one or more corporations?

[Eighthman]

There is a difference between a corrupt person and a corrupt organization.  Trump has done very bad things in business but it lacks the broad based corruption of the Media, DOJ, FBI, and more by Clintons.

The danger I see is that a Republican Congress will totally obstruct Hillary, as they did with Obama..............EXCEPT FOR ONE THING !

That thing is WAR.  They will broadly agree to push for more war with Russia, China and Iran. 

Secondly, I believe Republican leaders want Hillary as President because of the above - and because, after Wikileaks, they will have enough evidence to impeach her at will, hence, she will be controlled opposition.

[rdunk]

I do know, thanks for helping me prove my point.

No, I don't think so. I took your "initial point" to mean the people of America were not free, which was very wrong - like to you building a wall would make us less free in your mind - totally wrong! etc!!