Berenstein Bears

[space otter]

i don't feel that trying to find as much info as i can is calling anyone a lair..
or that others are calling some other liars by not believing ..

and how is timeline a and timeline b defined?..and yeah what about time line c or d,e,and f..

i do believe there are spelling mistakes and i believe that we have been shaken and STIRRED..big time and that  timelines are not cleanly separated into a and/or b

i think that many different things are happening and have happened
and will continue..

i think this is a lot like you and i are standing side by side and witness and accident and then have very different scenarios of what we saw....
have you ever been at a family/group gathering and said "do you remember when so and so happened"? and you get those odd looks of what the hell are you talking about?
before the internet that's what happened

and i do like Armap in timeline C.. the sense of humor is awesome and sneaks out at the best times

it's way more and a simple timeline explaination

[zorgon]

i don't feel that trying to find as much info as i can is calling anyone a lair..
or that others are calling some other liars by not believing ..

That was not directed at YOU  That was a general comment on how people that don't want to believe our story tend to react

The point I was making is that no amount of research proving that THIS timeline is THIS timeline and that nothing changed for people IN this timeline is a moot point  I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp...    Am I not speaking English?

and how is timeline a and timeline b defined?..and yeah what about time line c or d,e,and f..

Well that is easy...  Timeline A is the timeline that 'we' come from. Seeing as "we" are the ones presenting the argument 'we' labeled it the original timeline ergo A  while the timeline we have been dropped into is therefor B  As to C D E and F etc  They likely exist too but since I have no experience with those we are dealing with only our original one named A and the current one we find ourselves in named B

i do believe there are spelling mistakes and i believe that we have been shaken and STIRRED..big time and that  timelines are not cleanly separated into a and/or b

They may not be clearly separated  but I only have EXPERIENCE with A and B  For all I know there may be others out there who come from C or D  but SO FAR  I find that all the people that are speaking up are either those form THIS timeline who see no changes and those from my timeline who have the same memories as I do... So why complicate this with more timelines when we haven't even figured this out yet?   

YES there are normal spelling error  YES some companies change logos  but JC Penny was NOT one of these

i think that many different things are happening and have happened
and will continue..

That seems to be the case. I have noticed that this current reality is more insane than the last one.  It seems no one is listening to anyone...  Make one good post on Facebook  even the regulars answer with a totally stupid and unrelated smart ass comment. Some people blame the FLUORIDE in the water , some blame HAARP, some blame government mind control...

But the reality is that since I came back from Texas  Sanity in the world has gone bye bye... 

it's way more and a simple timeline explaination

It may be  It may be a MATRIX explanation  but it was the timeline changes that caught my attention  and the Mandella effect has popped out on everyones thinking  so it IS a starting point

But those people that say we are Lunatics are just as bad (and just as mistaken ) as those that said they saw only blurry rocks in the Moon Photos

[space otter]

i do know you weren't talking to me ..sorry i wasn't clear  and laughing cause i also meant a general you in the name calling ...sigh

I have noticed that this current reality is more insane than the last one.  It seems no one is listening to anyone... 

isn't that the truth.. look at the trouble we are having in communicating just on this
it used to be  you (general you) could make a statement and most got it..now if you haven't dotted  every i ..well even if you have.. all you get is arguments about what  or how you said it


and i understand that you(zorgon) are dating  timeline A from your texas trip

while i am trying to say that it's been happening longer for me
that's why i said this:

have you ever been at a family/group gathering and said "do you remember when so and so happened"? and you get those odd looks of what the hell are you talking about?
before the internet that's what happened

I find that all the people that are speaking up are either those form THIS timeline who see no changes and those from my timeline who have the same memories as I do... So why complicate this with more timelines when we haven't even figured this out yet?   

i wasn't trying to complicate it but i do think there is more going on than just a timeline mix and that is why i don't think it's as simple as just one timeline crashing into another

i have spoken about this once or twice
when i was younger and would say to my mother (mostly)
what about this or that and she would look puzzled and then tell me "you must have dreampt that'.!!!!!

and that is why i am trying to clearly say there is more going on than two timelines


ya know it is exhausting trying to be clear...language is such fun, huh?


had to come back to add mr. smilie

[Shasta56]

When I bought the books for my daughter, 30+ years ago, it was Berenstein.  We were in Colorado.  On a different note, my ex had very different memories of what transpired over the course of 30+ years after we split.  He claimed that I thought he was dead, among other things.  He is dead now, and I attended his memorial service today.  The memories that others shared of him were quite divergent from the reality my daughter and I experienced.  At least someone has good memories of him.

Shasta

[zorgon]

isn't that the truth.. look at the trouble we are having in communicating just on this
it used to be  you (general you) could make a statement and most got it..now if you haven't dotted  every i ..well even if you have.. all you get is arguments about what  or how you said it

Does the Biblical Tower of Babble come to mind?  Now I don't subscribe to the bible BUT perhaps there was another time when language was confounded. MAYBE there is a physical cause  like the SCHUMANN RESONANCE that is tied to the Planet, Time and our body rythyms

and i understand that you(zorgon) are dating  timeline A from your texas trip

Correct because that is when everything went nuts  and not in a minor way It was a PHYSICAL transposition in space/time of over 10 miles  The 2012 date came from several incidents like the Statue that wasn't there on my corner but was built in 2012  and the giant solar power plant that wasn't there the year before but was ONLINE operating in 2012 according to current news...

while i am trying to say that it's been happening longer for me
that's why i said this:

Well I first notices small minor jumps years ago the first was with the Rover Sundial pics and the flip flopping of that info   But those were small insignificant changes that were easy to dismiss by most people. Since the major shift on the way home  there is so much that is different and so many people I know longer recognize that it is actually scary  and all my posts now I have to double check to see if what I knew was true before, is still true in THIS reality

i wasn't trying to complicate it but i do think there is more going on than just a timeline mix and that is why i don't think it's as simple as just one timeline crashing into another

Agreed but we needed a starting point   If we really did get wiped out in 2012  then we have some real issues here

i have spoken about this once or twice
when i was younger and would say to my mother (mostly)
what about this or that and she would look puzzled and then tell me "you must have dreampt that'.!!!!!

Yes that was what most people thought  That you were dreaming, or hallucinating etc...  very few ever wanted to consider that maybe something was actually happening.  Sci Fi shows have dealt with this, Twilight Zone etc did stories on it... but it was always small isolated occurrences and more on a personal level

Now it seems to be increasing and everyone is aware of it

ya know it is exhausting trying to be clear...language is such fun, huh?

Well from now on lets assume we are always talking the generic YOU in all posts and when its specific  use name   I only wanted to be clear because of that last time during the elections

had to come back to add mr. smilie

Those are actually very useful to set the tone

[ArMaP]

To research this further (we are supposed to be a Research Consortium, right?) I think it might be a good idea to start by each person identifying (with as much accuracy as possible) when they noticed the "timeline change". Apparently, for space otter it was before zorgon's change, so now we should have at least three timelines.

So we have what I would call "timeline Z", the one we are one, that is then one where other timelines are converging into as we see it now.

How about the other timelines? When they started, who noticed it and how many people do you (general "you") think came from that timeline?

[space otter]

well guys
i don't know how to figure out when it started for me .. most of my life i seem to come and go in different 'time and space' stuff..
kind of a wandering observer
i never thought about it except when mentioning it to someone else and they look at me like.. 'what are you on?"
and when someone else tells me of something  i just take it as their story
cause we all come from different prespectives

now having said that
i think Z is onto something with the 2012 thing..
we were all laughing at  2012 being the 'end'..but maybe it was -  in a way we hadn't thought of or anticipated
and this timeline stuff is where we are starting to see it...
and maybe the bigger question is what does it mean for us NOW
yeah tower of babble such nails it

perhaps my yelling about how powerful each of us really is will be looked at more closely and will help in what the heck we do with the info we are starting to recognize as significant

and yeah Z the  SCHUMANN RESONANCE  is vibrational
we are vibrational,  the earth is vibrational

i feel that we are being distracted from ourselves and our changes
by politics, the weather, online overload, medical things happening to our bodies are not considered outside of the pain inflicted

i guess i am going back to the reasoning of so above- so below
but in a reverse viewing

i'm starting to digress and get on my soap box so a time out for me
but think about it.. i know there are enough folk here that we can figure out more than we have

and thank you Armap for continuing to be a voice of quiet steady reason.. even though i do like the upgrade in the sense of humor 

[ArMaP]

and thank you Armap for continuing to be a voice of quiet steady reason.. even though i do like the upgrade in the sense of humor 

Thanks.

And it's not an upgrade, I have always been like that, I just don't show it as much online as in real life.

[space otter]

sorry i didn't say that Shasta get's it cause she does

and wow Armap really coming out of your online shell..maybe you have experienced a shift and just haven't recognized it yet.

[ArMaP]

and wow Armap really coming out of your online shell..maybe you have experienced a shift and just haven't recognized it yet.

The shift was the normal passing of time, I just take a long time to feel at ease with other people, even online.

[The Seeker]

When Z and his daughter were experiencing their physical shift returning from Texas, I was undergoing the beginnings of physical therapy on my shoulder; the day it all happened I was in a lot of pain, very depressed over my therapist telling me I would lose probably 75% of my strength and mobility in my arm,and in general not facing life in a good way;

I was home, sitting outside in the sun when I felt what I can only describe as a moment of intense vertigo, almost to the point of being sick at my stomach, damn near fell out of the chair, and was disorientated for several minutes;

it was from that point that I started noticing changes in things... I can vouch for Zorgon and the changes in his neighborhood; I spent 2 days with him and one with John Lear during Halloween,2013;

the cat's head statue was not in his neighborhood, the steampunk squid statue was not across from the convenience store(we stopped there to get gas on the way to see John) just as that giant solar farm wasn't there when I flew in or out of Vegas; I pulled it up on Google earth, and it would have been clearly visible from the air

Do I think that Z and myself shifted? Yes. There are several people that we both have had a lot of contact with that are now strangers, people considered friends; but the changes do not appear to be a one time thing, but more like ripples on a pond, and they haven't settled down yet.

[ArMaP]

When Z and his daughter were experiencing their physical shift returning from Texas, I was undergoing the beginnings of physical therapy on my shoulder; the day it all happened I was in a lot of pain, very depressed over my therapist telling me I would lose probably 75% of my strength and mobility in my arm,and in general not facing life in a good way;

Do you have a date? It would help.

Also, now that I reread what you wrote, I don't remember if zorgon has said that his daughter also noticed the same changes or not, it would help to know.

[The Seeker]

Do you have a date? It would help.

Also, now that I reread what you wrote, I don't remember if zorgon has said that his daughter also noticed the same changes or not, it would help to know.

Zorgon and daughter had their texas trip experience on June 30th;  My vertigo/nausea disorientation bout happened on October 3rd, and I believe that was the same day Z had his encounter with the solar plant 40 miles from Vegas

Edit: I just went back and checked the dates from my notes; it was October 10th, not the 3rd, for it was the same day my therapist told me what I could expect to have to deal with as he was standing me on my ear stretching my shoulder 

[ArMaP]

I just went back and checked the dates from my notes; it was October 10th, not the 3rd, for it was the same day my therapist told me what I could expect to have to deal with as he was standing me on my ear stretching my shoulder 

October 10 of what year? 2012?

[The Seeker]

October 10 of what year? 2012?

2016; last year