Immaculate Deception

[Pimander]

There you go I challenge anyone to debunk this. Freeman tells us theres no S4 at Papoose no way

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If Bob Lazar was taken to S4 by blacked out bus then how did he know S4 was located at Papoose Lake?

[A51Watcher]

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If Bob Lazar was taken to S4 by blacked out bus then how did he know S4 was located at Papoose Lake?

Anyone?....

[Irene]

Anyone?....

My guess is "S4" or "Papoose Lake" appeared on the buildings or somewhere in the paperwork he either signed or reviewed for his research.

[Irene]

I did, after making my post, as I ignored (as usual) that message saying that someone made more posts while I was writing.

[A51Watcher]

If Bob Lazar was taken to S4 by blacked out bus then how did he know S4 was located at Papoose Lake?

Bob went over to John's house and they got out some of his maps and drew a circle around Groom lake, of how far a 20 minute ride would take you and looked for dry lake beds with a mountain nearby.

Papoose fit the bill.


Also as Bob mentioned the front windows are not blacked out -

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I would imagine he recognized the shoreline too.

He managed to sketch it quite well -

[zorgon]

If Bob Lazar was taken to S4 by blacked out bus then how did he know S4 was located at Papoose Lake?

His script said so?   I still find it plausible that Bob was a controlled leak...    The fact that he was paid by the NAVY, even though it is claimed that office doesn't exist, is significant

[A51Watcher]

His script said so?   I still find it plausible that Bob was a controlled leak...    The fact that he was paid by the NAVY, even though it is claimed that office doesn't exist, is significant

Yeah I have heard that theory before.

Controlled leak by whom for what purpose?

To let the world know about a top secret program and base?

Sure turn into an uncontrolled leak real quick.

[zorgon]

Yeah I have heard that theory before.
Controlled leak by whom for what purpose?

By those on the inside who really want the truth to get out... there are many

To let the world know about a top secret program and base?

Yes precisely... in such a way that they can still have plausible deniability...  It would have been outed sooner or later anyway. It was easy to keep such secrets in the 50's when people trusted their government.  Bob wasn't until what 1989? 

Sure turn into an uncontrolled leak real quick.

Did it really?  What do we REALLY know?  Yes we know they build and test secret airplanes out there...  that is nice if you are into airplanes   But I had photos of the F117 in Canada 2 years before it became declassified in the USA... It was on a base in Trenton Ontario, where they flew the missions to the Middle east from I have a picture autographed by the pilot, who as it turns out is now the flying instructor for them here at Nellis. Also have some cool pictures of the Russian (well Ukranian) Mig   



Yes we THINK we know they have Alien Spacecraft out there and have reverse engineered them  But you told me Bob din't say they got them working a few posts back, yet you and he have videos of them in flight

All through the years of UFO research in the early days I heard of the MIB's arresting people to silence them, the CIA killing people with 'accidents' to silence them... yet Bob was never rounded up   And they allowed Bob and crew to film... stopped them yes, but let them go... just enough muscle to make them think, but no arrest and no mysterious 'accident' and now there will be a book and film   So yeah  Controlled leak works for me still

When NJ Mooch first told me at ATS who he was and that he wanted to visit John and I, (he was active in our threads), he said: "You have no reason to trust me, so I will give you my real name. Have your friend at the pentagon run me through the Global and you will know I am real"  So I did  and he was    The Global is the top of the top internets  We have ours  then there is NiPRNET (sensitive) SiPRNEt (Secret) JWICS (top secret) and 'The Global" (so above top secret it is hard to even find out much about it )

When he left he left me some photos... and 'special access' on my computer...  when I do a search... I get .mil sites with pdfs pop up first...  On my new one I still have to request the certificates but my old machine  straight in no fuss no muss

That is all I will say on that in here   But there ARE those on the inside who want the truth to come out... and not like the latest Pentagon release either

[A51Watcher]

Yes we THINK we know they have Alien Spacecraft out there and have reverse engineered them  But you told me Bob din't say they got them working a few posts back, yet you and he have videos of them in flight

I told you Bob said they were unable to replicate the tech and we would not be able to for a long time.

The ones we have video of are ones we are able to fly not made by us.

The ones with the child size seats.

If that was what the good guys wanted to get out to the public then yeah it worked.

[zorgon]

If that was what the good guys wanted to get out to the public then yeah it worked.

Well IF is all we have to work with at the moment  maybe one day the Mother Ship will land on the White House lawn and explain it to us 

Again...

[zorgon]

[ArMaP]

I still find it plausible that Bob was a controlled leak... 

Or made to look like one.

[Pimander]

His script said so?   I still find it plausible that Bob was a controlled leak...    The fact that he was paid by the NAVY, even though it is claimed that office doesn't exist, is significant

If Bob didn't either work at A51/S4 or at least have information from someone there then how did he know when they were testing craft there?  Your mate John Lear and Gene Huff went there and filmed them after Bob told them about the tests.

That is significant.

[zorgon]

If Bob didn't either work at A51/S4 or at least have information from someone there then how did he know when they were testing craft there?

They gave him a time table?  

WHY were they not arrested?  THAT is significant

IF the military was actually running a top secret test... and these guys are out there filming it... WHY were they just sent home with a warning? WHY was Bob's film never confiscated? WHY was he never arrested or charged with treason like Ed Snowden was? WHY is he allowed to put it into a book? WHY was George Knapp allowed to run with the story when George Knapp was hassled by the MIB over the Henderson/Serchlight UFO crash?

I haz QUESTIONS  I haz no answers

[Pimander]

How much do you know about counter-intelligence?

Ron, how long had John Lear known Bob Lazar when Bob supposedly worked at S4?