Immaculate Deception

[A51Watcher]

bp -

Being a technical person as you say, you will appreciate more than most the violation of inertia and mass laws performed by gravity propulsion when you get to see it.

I was certainly impressed. And the only reason I got to see it was because of Bob Lazar.

Dunno what else to tell ya.

[astr0144]

I would have to rewatch that video to recall the details...

But otherwise... one thing that may happen is that the reactor may only work once the half sphere has been placed back in a certain way or position.

Would the reactor then work in producing A.G at such a strong repulsive way straight away to repell anyones hands or limbs away .. or could it have some sort of delayed or contolled reaction before it switches on to full strength ?

but then the other issue seems to be how would you later stop the reaction to switch it off or to remove the half sphere top...

You would think somehow or other, that there would be some other control that could switch the reactor on and off  or control the craft over 3 feet away from the sphere..

One thing that I would consider is maybe once you have placed the E115 sample into the reactor and closed the half sphere... that maybe that then is also like having placed a battery into a laptop computer that allows the computer to be able to be switched on and a screen to switch on with an interface.. that in turn allows you to use the interface of the computer to operate the craft...

It would not surprise me if the Aliens could control the Craft by their own minds... or it could be operated by mind control. 

But whether we Humans could do that or not... that maybe another question ?

The black area would indicate the area outside the disc which became transparent to the occupants of the seats.  The blue sidebar would remain and a light horizontal bar would scroll up or down the lines of text.  Illuminating the pattern as illustrated.  Take special note to the alternating slant of every other line.  The writing were forms like these with "eyes" or subcircles within the circles and elipses.  It was not explained to Lazar how this interface was actuated, except for seeing technicians switching it on from a hole in the floor of the centerlevel main deck.  A hole where one of the gravity amplifier heads was cut out.

I can consider that this may allow the craft to then operate under AG.. and lift up within the Earths atmosphere zone or move around the Earth in the way we are led to believe and how A51 and John Lear claims how they witnessed the craft being able to move so quick from one point to another in a second..

But the one main thing that I dont as yet think I could fully accept is it being able to distort space time like Bob suggests... once the craft say has left Earth into Space...

I think I or maybe we need to do a recap on some of the things of the story and see if our views may have changed on certain points or facts ..

As often we learn things at varying times and rethink things some time again later and reconsider things in differing ways..  Our thoughts can vary at differing times as we get older... sometimes some years later.

It seems a long in depth process trying to analyse such a detailed story and trying to understand or requestion certain points...

I dont think that the whole story could be a con.. Some parts maybe still questionable... but other parts I believe possible.

Strange Craft do Exist.. and appear to work in ways similar to Bobs craft... be it ET or now manmade from what maybe back engineered..

and not only A51 and John have witnessed them..

Ok how did he get the half sphere back on the reactor ? Once the E115 in in the reactor anti gravity is its engaged. The antimatter prevents Bob from putting his hands with in 3 to 4 feet of the reactor. I can show a video of this with he and George Knapp in 2015 IUFOC. If he cant get his Hands within 3 feet of the instant reaction of E115 How does he install the half sphere ? Lear could not answer nor could Knapp I would love to know.
Thank I wiull await your answer A51Wacther.
BP51 

[astr0144]

Bobs origional website has now altered after it was re hosted again some years after he initially had created and hosted it for us all to view..

It had been taken off line for some time at one time...maybe for  a few years...

http://boblazar.com/

This is a copy of the original website..

But within this website... its takes quite a bit of time to try to find all the various related pages..]
some seem almost hidden. and it took me quite a while to find some of them..when I looked the other day.

I think I or some of us need to create a list of all its pages and post a list of all the URLs for each page.

I will try to add some of the various urls later or over the weekend..

http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/home.html


eg of Some other webpages ..some that may not be that obvious to find..


http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/electrom.html

Element 115

http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/element.html

Gravity

http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/gravity.html

Gravity A and B

http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/gravab.html

The Microwave Analogy

http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/electrom.html

Travel thru Space Time

Delta configuration: Using Gravity for Interstellar Travel.

http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/delta2.html


This link shows more about the Reactor operation...



http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/bigwedge.html

[fansongecho]

@Astro & A51 - Are there any links, or data on how the "pilots" (either ET or human) had there "air" or what ever the pilots breathed, either recycled, or produced when the ship is in-flight operations? -

EDIT** - These environmental systems, would also (speculation on my part) control the ships internal, Humidity, Atmospheric Pressure, and Internal Temperature Stability - I will have a good luck at Bob's pages when I get home from the work thing Astro 

Was there ever a diagram/schematic or explanation how the crafts environmental support worked in any detail?

Cheers,

Fansongecho 
(I suspect I know the answer)

And I love this dialogue - X-Files Rules !!    

[astr0144]

Maybe I have overlooked something or other members will comment..

But I am not sure,  as daft as it may seem if I have seen information related to or considered that question before Fans. 

maybe its as simple as overlooking what should be a very obvious question many would ask..
and that may make some of us re-question things further..

As mainly I think my initial considerations (and many others who study the topic)  with Bobs story was initialy trying to understand its operation here on Earth.. within the Earths Atmosphere or how it was said to operate in the USA Country in Nevada  around North of Las Vegas at Area 51 and S4.. while being tested..

and that we need to figure that out first before we start to think further about the operation of the craft when it would be seen to leave the Planet..

But When we look at Humans Space Flight... we have to take into consideration what you refer to.

But so far as I recall... Most of Bobs story of the craft relates to it operating here on Earth...

its only if it leaves Earths atmosphere that such details would have to be questioned.

I am aware of some differing theories as to How such craft may travel between what we think of as thru  Space.. and How some ET craft may travel...

but some of them maybe seen as too hard to believe possible..

one eg ... could be that they dont do Star trek like travel to get from one point to another..

so maybe they can move from A to B thru other means or folding space / time that almost allows going from point A to B without travelling thru space as we would consider it... almost in an instant somehow..

some suggest like folding space time..

like you could take a piece of paper... and put two dots  (say point A and Point B )on each end or edge of say an A4 page.. that you could say could represent two points in Space.....  or one point is seen as our planet Earth and the other to represent say another planet in another galaxy.... and the distance between the two points relates to the distance we would expectto travel.. if we can Imagine it as representing another much larger scale like in the Solar system or between Galaxys.

But its suggested that you would shorten the distance to be travelled if you can fold space time or like folding the paper.
where you can then fold the paper or space between the two points... in which then the distance between the two points is now much less and the time taken to travel between them is now much less between point A and Point B..


and  so fold the paper for the two points to meet...is like folding Space...between the two points..









Gravity produced by the either  Crafts  Gravity Amplifier or maye in reation to its connection to reactor with use of Element 115 and the reactor I believe is suggested to warp or fold  space and time... between the Craft and its destinatiion point..

The gravity amplifiers of the disc can be focused independently and they are pulsed in a rotational pattern and do not stay on continuously.

http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/omi.html

    Referring to this illustration of space/time distortion below, lets assume the red ball A, can generate a strong gravitational field and lens that gravitational field or wave in this case.  Lensing a strong wave is sufficient to shoot a vector in any direction and therefore distort space-time in its path.  But to define a point in space-time and bring that point to the gravity source, essentially compressing the space-time between   A and B, then the Red ball would need at least 2 or 3 separately generated gravity wave vectors.  This is due to the need to triangulate the three synchronized lensed beams of gravity to a distant point where they intersect.  One example of a triangulation program that uses separate but synchronized vectors exists in the 3D motion capture industry which we use to do feature film effects.  Another example is seen in sound based programs that can detect the exact point of origin of a sniper's position simply by listening to the gunshot from three to six different microphones. When we generate and intense gravitational field, we can distort the space/time and in turn the distance between the point where we are and the 'point' where we want to be. We can then position ourselves at the point where we want to be,  a very small move at this stage, and then stop generating the gravitational field...allowing space/time to return to it's natural form.   We would now be at that new point, still millions of miles from where we started an instant ago.

    With the effects of gravity from so many sources in space, its safe to assume light wouldn't travel in a straight line naturally. So to shoot too far in the distance could be disastrously off the target by millions of miles.  These crafts travel in zig-zag patterns or "small chunks" to maintain a sense of its position in space.  Only the most sophisticated navigation system could keep track of these jump points.  Remember, our star charts are only valuable from our point of view. One powerful jump into space and all those star charts would be void.  Distance from earth to the star as a cross reference would not be enough because that would be to assume that light is really traveling in a straight line, unaffected by gravitational forces.

http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/delta2.html

or they may travel thru Wormholes or mini black holes somehow is another suggested theory. that allows a Craft  to travel more vast distances much quicker and also shorten the Journey much less between the two points..



But this is the part that I am most uncertain about !


This offers some explantion how the Craft may use Anti Gravity with use of Gravity A and Gravity B Waves...



Which is like the "Gravity A" being how gravity bonds Atoms together which is a VERY strong type of Gravity or  Force

and Gravity B is like the gravity we experience on holding us on the Surface of the Earth or any sort of  planet  if we try to jump up for eg..the "Gravity B" force acts on us to force us back towards Earth.. and is say between say the Moon and Earth.. and is much weaker Gravity or Force that "Gravity A"

but I also still question How this may also relate to the Earths magnetic Field which I have mentioned before.








0-90° Phase-Shift = Amount of Lift or Repulsion

90-180° Phase-Shift = Amount of Attraction

Omicron Configuration: Travel near surface of planet or moon.

    When only one amplifier is being used for travel, they're in the Omicron configuration.

    When a disc is near another source of gravity, like earth, the Gravity A-wave, which propagates outward from the disc, is phase shifted into the gravity B-wave, which propagates outward from the earth, thus creating lift. The craft then floats on the gravity field surrounding the earth like a ship on water.  Note that this is not anti-gravity.  It is "simply" taking natural gravity that exists within every atom, accessing it, amplifying it, and shooting it back at another natural form of gravity.  Note also this is not generating gravity either.  Everyone is searching for the concept of energy from nothing, or 0-point energy in an effort to "generate" gravity.



The gravity amplifiers of the disc can be focused independently and they are pulsed in a rotational pattern and do not stay on continuously.


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http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/omi.html



It may be that they do have a way to create  breathable air within their craft when it maybe required, but  it may not be how we may consider  or expect it to be created as our present Science technology may presently suggest.

But if it is taken into consideration within the craft and its operated by the Power of the E 115 as some sort of Nuclear type power source...

maybe that have the technology to have other ways to create a beathable atmosphere within the craft.. and to also recycle it.

But as daft as i may seem...I dont think that I have seen anything wrote about it...

can you see anything on Bobs website for eg...that relates to your question ?

@Astro & A51 - Are there any links, or data on how the "pilots" (either ET or human) had there "air" or what ever the pilots breathed, either recycled, or produced when the ship is in-flight operations? -

Was there ever a diagram/schematic or explanation how the crafts environmental support worked in any detail?

Cheers,

[A51Watcher]

@Astro & A51 - Are there any links, or data on how the "pilots" (either ET or human) had there "air" or what ever the pilots breathed, either recycled, or produced when the ship is in-flight operations? -

EDIT** - These environmental systems, would also (speculation on my part) control the ships internal, Humidity, Atmospheric Pressure, and Internal Temperature Stability - I will have a good luck at Bob's pages when I get home from the work thing Astro 

Was there ever a diagram/schematic or explanation how the crafts environmental support worked in any detail?

Cheers,

Fansongecho 
(I suspect I know the answer)

And I love this dialogue - X-Files Rules !!    

Nope. Never heard anything about that.

No bunkbeds, bathroom or kitchen either.

Since you can get to where you want in an instant, I guess that kind of stuff is not needed. Or they just fold out of the wall.

But still, you would have to have an oxygen supply.

And an oxygen mask or helmet if your destination has no breathable air.

[astr0144]

Just some further thoughts on Bob Lazars description and theories on How the Saucer relates to the Gravity Theories to create anti gravity.

But I am not willing to post it to be open to the  public as yet, if at all..

so I posted it in Johns Bob Lazar section..

Further thoughts on Bob Lazars anti gravity theory.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10985.msg143989#msg143989

[fansongecho]

@A51 - Just reading your comments above Specifically RE Nope, and no bunkbeds or bathrooms -

Maybe I am reading the comment with the wrong interpretation? but it appears that those comments are a piss take of my question.

A genuine question about the "Pilots" life-support and internal environment support -

- We have seen lots of theories about the "sports model" and it's propulsion system, theory about Gravity A and Gravity B waves, images of the potential pilot - ship interface, Mark MacCandlish and his drawing of the A.R.V and theories about Element 115 -

Bob L is a controversial figure in the world of Ufology, and I understand why many people who are interested in the esoteric find some of his claims to be "out-there" so with all the other noise and suppositions I am wondering why A51 you would belittle a genuine question?

You mentioned that the craft can move from location to location instantaneously, does this not create a bit of a paradox: IF they can get from A to B in a instant, (negating the need for Humidity, Temperature, Internal Pressure and Oxygen/Other known/unknown gases to support the pilots respiration) then why are some of these craft seen and videoed ?? with reports of the craft varying in size from footballs to football fields and larger.

I have mentioned before I am a sceptic on Lot's of issues surrounding UFO's and associated subjects, I get that we cant always supply a sound or logic based answer or solution to some of the questions the subject(s) raise - but it doesn't mean we shouldn't ask questions on forums in a open and candid and respectful manner, and I would have hoped we would receive the same courtesy when receiving a response A51.

I don't know what this is - 


Fansongecho - out.

[A51Watcher]

@A51 - Just reading your comments above Specifically RE Nope, and no bunkbeds or bathrooms -

Maybe I am reading the comment with the wrong interpretation? but it appears that those comments are a piss take of my question.

A genuine question about the "Pilots" life-support and internal environment support -

- We have seen lots of theories about the "sports model" and it's propulsion system, theory about Gravity A and Gravity B waves, images of the potential pilot - ship interface, Mark MacCandlish and his drawing of the A.R.V and theories about Element 115 -

Bob L is a controversial figure in the world of Ufology, and I understand why many people who are interested in the esoteric find some of his claims to be "out-there" so with all the other noise and suppositions I am wondering why A51 you would belittle a genuine question?

You mentioned that the craft can move from location to location instantaneously, does this not create a bit of a paradox: IF they can get from A to B in a instant, (negating the need for Humidity, Temperature, Internal Pressure and Oxygen/Other known/unknown gases to support the pilots respiration) then why are some of these craft seen and videoed ?? with reports of the craft varying in size from footballs to football fields and larger.

I have mentioned before I am a sceptic on Lot's of issues surrounding UFO's and associated subjects, I get that we cant always supply a sound or logic based answer or solution to some of the questions the subject(s) raise - but it doesn't mean we shouldn't ask questions on forums in a open and candid and respectful manner, and I would have hoped we would receive the same courtesy when receiving a response A51.

Yep you read the comment with the wrong interpretation.

I was just adding to the list of stuff I have never seen or heard about inside the craft. Zero amenities as it were. No air supply, food or water, anything.

So the amount of time spent inside the craft is intended to be short.

That was my interpretation.

[fansongecho]

@A51 - Ok, thank you for the clarification. 

Cheers,

Fans'

[zorgon]

So  this link was posted by a member of a currently Secret Group that I am a member of. I cannot yet reveal what is going on... but this link is already in public domain    and it is relevant to our discussion here on DeLonge and crew

All the usual names are involved  Quite interesting

A Potential Solution to the Mystery of the "Alien" Metal Promoted by "To the Stars"

6/16/2018

​Last week, the Society for Scientific Exploration held its thirty-seventh annual conference, this time in combination with the International Remote Viewing Association. The two organizations focus on fringe science claims about psychic powers, the mysteries of consciousness, alternative energy, alternative medicine, etc. You will of course recognize the SSE as the publisher of Edge Science, a magazine whose articles about ancient astronauts and related claims I have had occasion to criticize more than once. Well, at last week's conference in Las Vegas, Dr. Hal Puthoff gave a lecture on his work for To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science and the Pentagon's UFO program. Like the secret showman that he has long been, he hinted at things he refused to say and used blanket claims about government classification to avoid dealing with provable details to support his implications and allegations. However, he accidentally led me to the solution to the mystery of To the Stars' secret "alien" metal alloy that they have been promoting since last year.
You know how I hate to leave a mystery unsolved, and the "alien" alloy really bothered me. But you'll have to wait until the end to find out the solution. I am mean that way.

Regular readers will recall that former Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.), working at the behest of campaign donor and UFO believer Robert Bigelow, passed legislation creating the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program, a UFO tracking bureau, whose work (and funding) were outsourced to Bigelow's company until funding ended in 2012. This program made headlines last December when a former official left the Pentagon, joined Tom DeLonge's To the Stars, and revealed the existence of the shuttered Pentagon enterprise to the New York Times at the same time that To the Stars began promoting declassified Pentagon videos purporting to show UFOs.

Puthoff is DeLonge's Vice President of Science and Technology at To the Stars Academy. He is a former Scientologist who worked on remote viewing projects and made a name for himself as a believer in various paranormal phenomena, and he is also a paid subcontractor for Bigelow. He admitted this week that he worked on the Pentagon project under financing from Bigelow. While he has endorsed a number of unusual phenomena, he does have his limits. He told fringe writer Philip Gardner in 2013, for example, that he did not endorse the claim that a powder made from "white monoatomic gold" could be used bend space and time or to levitate objects. Strangely, though, this was not because he doubted its power per se but because the owner of the alleged white monoatomic gold powder never provided him with a testable sample. Oddly, though, that exactly what To the Stars has alleged chunks of broken metal from space alien ships can do. Funny how these things always come back around.

Puthoff delivered a speech describing his investigation of what he calls "Advanced Aerospace Vehicles" and the pieces of debris that fall from them with astonishing regularity. In his speech to the conference, Puthoff creatively deployed claims of government classification when convenient. One might imagine that if he is indeed correct that the American government is actively investigating these space vehicles and their technology that their very existence would be just as classified as the decidedly less exciting description of their metallic composition, but apparently not, for Puthoff has no trouble sharing allegations that the U.S. is aware of non-human technologies, but hesitates to provide any details about testable material derived from these.

Anyway, he says that "you've got these Advanced Aerospace Vehicles flying around that we don't know where they come from, who's driving them, what the intent is – possibly off-world even." He implies that this is a Pentagon revelation, but it seems that this is instead his own gloss on plain old everyday UFO reports, for he alleges that the Pentagon's actual concern regarded planning for encounters with advanced aircraft. Puthoff suggests that these would be future UFO invasions, but there is nothing that suggests this other than his own assertion, and I find it difficult to grasp the idea that the Pentagon would only care whether the Russians or Chinese might use crashed UFOs to gain a technological edge over the Americans. Surely the arrival, and potential capture or destruction, of friging SPACE ALIENS and their craft really ought to warrant some level of interest if true. Puthoff says that space aliens pose no strategic threat that concerned either the Soviet or American governments during the Cold War, so therefore the only concern was whether the enemy might make better use of crashed alien spaceships.

What the actual frig?

I mean that genuinely.

Even leaving aside the fact that the arrival of beings from another world would open us to the potential for Andromeda Strain-style devastation, it is impossible to conceive of a world where intelligent beings from another world are buzzing through the skies regularly and literally nobody cares, except about how much money they can save by piggybacking off their technology. The same Pentagon that obsessed for years over whether you can kill a goat by staring at it has no interest in what would have been the most important scientific, technological, and even existential development in millennia?

This is the same problem I have with ufology and ancient astronaut theories. If these people genuinely believed that they had discovered true and incontrovertible evidence of an intelligence beyond human, surely they would be profoundly transformed and not utterly blasé about it. Every street-corner prophet who imagines he has heard the voice of God speaks with more passion and commitment than the men and women who say that they have proved that we are not alone.

When we get into the fine details of Puthoff's claims, things start to get a little fuzzy. Puthoff admits that the Defense Intelligence Agency's efforts to find a contractor to investigate alleged "advanced aerial vehicles" were "unclassified," along with the scope and limits of that investigation. He says this in the hope of absolving Bigelow of the implication that Reid, having been convinced to fund the project by Bigelow and those in Bigelow's orbit, received the Pentagon's contract as a favor. But Puthoff actually admitted that DIA wasn't hiding the program and hadn't classified the supposedly forbidden details. Indeed, he also admitted that most of the documents produced by experts for the program, whitepapers on the future of air and space travel, for example, were also unclassified. These papers covered sci-fi topics such as "positron aerospace propulsion, IEC fusion as a compact energy source, warp drive, dark energy, extra dimensions, metallic glasses for aerospace use." These papers were shared openly throughout the government.

Ah, but when it comes to actual material that Tom DeLonge is profiting from, suddenly things change. Puthoff talks about the allegations that so-called "meta-metals" have been recovered that were beyond human technology. "I'd love to talk about really fancy materials, but they're classified," he said. Oh, but of course. The existence of non-human spacecraft isn't a secret, but the fact that they are made of fancy metals is both a secret and one that can be openly admitted in public so long as he doesn't provide any details at all. That's some very selective classification.

Puthoff, however, says that he can talk about a chunk of metal that the late radio host Art Bell had told him about decades ago.
​
Puthoff said that he examined the sample after a self-described military man said he had recovered it from a UFO crash site and sent it "by email" to Bell. It appears that Puthoff is not describing an actual physical sample in Bell's possession but rather a document claiming to describe a government report on such a sample, but Linda Moulton Howe claimed in the Roswell Daily Record last year that Bell had the actual sample (six in fact!) and that it had been "recovered" from the Roswell UFO crash site and sent to Bell in 1996 by an Army sergeant who got it from his grandfather.

Here is what Puthoff had to say:
It was a multilayered bismuth and magnesium sample. Bismuth layers less than a human hair. Magnesium samples about ten-times the size of a human hair. Supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an Advanced Aerospace Vehicle. It looks like it's been in a crash. The white lines are the bismuth; the darker areas are the magnesium separations. So the question was what about this material, so naturally we looked in all the national labs, we talked to metallurgists, we combed the entire structure of published papers. Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these. [...] Well, years later, decades later actually, finally our own science moves along. We move into an area called metamaterials, and it turns out exactly this combination of materials at exactly those dimensions turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies.
​And where is this sample now? Amazing the way these astonishing pieces of evidence vanish. The research that Puthoff said he did is the exact same research that Howe claims to have done, point for point, and that strongly implies that they were not working entirely independently. Howe's findings, though, were hardly conclusive. She asked electrical engineer Travis Taylor to do a literature search, and he couldn't find reference to the magnesium-bismuth material.

This is clearly of a piece with the other bits of exotic metal that fellow Bigelow consultant and ufologist Jacques Vallée has been talking up for the past year. Vallée specifically identified the metal chunks he works with as being made of "magnesium" with unusual isotope ratios. DeLonge claimed that his lumps of metal are unnatural "alloys" that can bend space and time and counteract gravity. Where have heard that before? But specifically, he alleged that the metal was "3D-printed" with different layers of different metals. This is indistinguishable from Puthoff's description of a sample made of multilayered bismuth and magnesium, and indeed, I found that DeLonge referred to "layered bismuth and magnesium metamaterials" being in his possession. Despite the superficial differences, I have trouble believing that Bigelow's satellites—Puthoff, Vallée, and even DeLonge—aren't all promoting variations of the same thing. Garry Nolan of To the Stars seemed to confirm this in describing the magnesium-bismuth metamaterials as alloys, alleging that they have unusual isotope ratios, and endorsing the overlapping claims found in all three of the other advocates' allegations about the materials.

Here is Nolan confirming my suspicions explicitly: "Yes, Jacques and I have worked together on many projects. Including his recent discussions on the isotope ratios. Jacques previously worked with Peter Sturrock (Emeritus Professor of Astrophysics here at Stanford) a couple of decades ago on composition of materials from UAP." "UAP" refers to "unidentified aerial phenomena."

So, to summarize: All of Bigelow's satellites are engaged in a mutual dance of apparent delusion. Nolan is a microbiologist. Vallée is a computer scientist and venture capitalist. Puthoff trained as an electrical engineer and spent his career in parapsychology. None has expertise in metals or their claimed quantum processes of producing unusual metals. According to no less an authority than Vallée himself, speaking in interviews last year, they have made no use of experts in advanced metallurgy but have instead used commercial laboratories to study pieces of metal and developed their own explanations of the results. "I'm pretty well connected with the high-tech community, including one company that I financed as a venture capitalist," he told Skeptico last fall, adding that he hired their mass spectrometer to analyze magnesium slag for alien isotope ratios.

But more to the point, try parsing Puthoff's description carefully. Puthoff wants us to read this as saying that the military recovered a sample of metamaterials, failed to reproduce it, but made great advances over decades after studying it. And yet the description also could just as easily suggest that a secret advanced program had produced such metal earlier than it had become public and that not everyone was aware of who was working on what. Indeed, Puthoff himself provided evidence for that very reading when he admitted that "it's a high compartmentalizational topic, therefore a slow pace of cumulative progress and integration. We call 'em 'stovepipes.' You have a lot of people with lots of detailed information about some particular aspect, but they don't talk each other even if it is sitting at the next desk."

Basically, if we apply the most plausible reading to the claims as given (which is a dicey proposition to start with), Puthoff is acting surprised that a classified military program may have tested aircraft with advanced materials that were not publicly described for several decades after testing began. This should surprise no one. Stealth aircraft were under development for many years before they made their public debut—and, indeed, the U.S. government may even have encouraged ufological explanations for sightings of stealth craft before they were ready to be officially acknowledged in order to help keep them secret.

That there is something fishy in all of this can be seen in the fact that the magnesium-bismuth layering is not a new discovery but is widely discussed in fringe literature for decades. Linda Moulton Howe has been promoting it since the 1990s, and it appears routinely in twenty-first century books about anti-gravity technology and UFOs, going back at least to the early 2000s. I am torn between thinking that the Bigelow group are blindly pursuing what they think is real U.S. government research into magnesium-bismuth layering and thinking that they are cynically pulling bizarre claims from UFO literature to excite ufologists and UFO believers into thinking that they have real pieces of a flying saucer.

A final piece of evidence suggests that the Bigelow's men are overstating their claims. In 1996, Linda Moulton Howe commissioned technologist Nicholas A. Reiter, himself an anti-gravity researcher and a  fringe believer in UFOs and paranormal things, to investigate the "Roswell sample"—i.e. the same piece that Puthoff is now promoting. Reiter determined that it was earthly and, while unusual, was not impossible. In 2001, he updated his findings with this information: "The combination of bismuth and magnesium had eluded us for four years. But then one day, we found a reference to an obscure industrial process used in the refinement of lead. The process, called the Betterton-Krohl Process, uses molten magnesium floated over the surface of liquid lead. The magnesium sucks up, or pulls bismuth impurities out of the lead! Often, the magnesium is used over and over again..." Presumably, this is the same process that was patented in 1938, producing a thin crust of layered magnesium and bismuth, which is removed from the lead. When the magnesium is reused, new layers would form. (The Fortean Times endorsed this solution in 2016.) Remember that Vallée's sample was specifically identified as slag—i.e., industrial debris. Howe refused to publicize Reiter's results, preferring to string along the "alien" mystery. Of course, we would need a known sample made by the industrial process to test the "alien" versions against, but the distribution of the slag in industrialized nations (Vallée claims examples from France, Argentina, and America, for example) id s point in favor of this solution.

The new information here is that To the Stars seems to be collecting more of the same industrial waste that Linda Moulton Howe has been cycling through the UFO circuit for 22 years.

The "space-time" and "gravitational" anomalies of the metal are also explainable, and have been explained for decades. Howe, Puthoff, and DeLonge all ran high voltage through the metal and made it move. Any piece of metal will react the same way to high enough electrical voltage. If I understand the science correctly, the unusual isotope ratios may also be a result of the industrial process, since the resulting metal is artificial and not a natural occurrence.

Bottom line: The Bigelow-adjacent men may well be testing industrial waste and imagining they have found alien technology, or know better and are lying about it. A photo of the apparent industrial waste makes visible how decidedly unlike a flying saucer's smooth, sleek, and fictitious finish it appears:



​The bigger question is why they are promoting industrial waste as UFO wreckage, and why so many people affiliated with Bigelow are pushing this narrative. I could only speculate.

There are some uncanny echoes to the part of the 1947 Maury Island incident where Harold Dahl and Fred Crisman tried to pass off industrial slag to Ray Palmer as remnants of a crashed flying saucer, only to have the hoax revealed by a careful analysis, leading Dahl to admit the deception.

Puthoff went on to say that he felt the need to communicate with the public about mystery vehicles and therefore left government work to cofound To the Stars Academy with DeLonge. This is another area where I am dumbfounded. Supposedly, he had access to proof positive of space aliens, and their actual technology, and chose to ... do nothing, to walk away, and to give speeches instead of working on actual space alien machines and metals. I guess that's because his actual job didn't really involve space aliens or UFOs but rather coordinating a series of speculative reports about future aerial technologies. In other words, he doesn't actually know what he implies that he knows, and didn't work on the things he imagines that people he admits he didn't work with were working on.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/a-potential-solution-to-the-mystery-of-the-alien-metal-promoted-by-to-the-stars

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thanks for sharing that Zorgon.

[zorgon]

Jacques Valee is also part of the DeLonge Group...

He was (is?) a member of the Aviary that includes Hal Puthoff,  Col John Alexander Etc...  I am certain that Robert Bigelow was also a member of that Flock of Birds but I never saw a bird name for him yet... He certainly does associate with that group though  and this new gig with DeLonge... the same old names are popping up again.

It appears that someone recently updated Jacques Vallee's page on Wikipedia...   

I have clipped this particular section as it is directly connected to this topic. I have high lighted a couple points... not sure how many know that Jacques started his career when he witnessed a RETROGRADE SATELLITE  ( a satellite going in the opposite direction of the ones we launch


Paranormal research

In May 1955, Vallée first sighted an unidentified flying object over his Pontoise home. Six years later in 1961, while working on the staff of the French Space Committee, Vallée claims to have witnessed the destruction of the tracking tapes of an unknown object orbiting the earth. The particular object was a retrograde satellite – that is, a satellite orbiting the earth in the opposite direction to the earth's rotation. At the time he observed this, there were no rockets powerful enough to launch such a satellite, so the team was quite excited as they assumed that the Earth's gravity had captured a natural satellite (asteroid). He claims that an unnamed superior came and erased the tape. These events contributed to Vallée's long-standing interest in the UFO phenomenon. Vallée began to correspond with Aimé Michel (who would become a lifelong mentor and research collaborator) in 1958.

In the mid-1960s, like many other UFO researchers, Vallée initially attempted to validate the popular Extraterrestrial Hypothesis (or ETH). UFO researcher Jerome Clark[3] argues that Vallée's first two UFO books were among the most scientifically sophisticated defenses of the ETH ever mounted.

However, by 1969, Vallée's conclusions had changed, and he publicly stated that the ETH was too narrow and ignored too much data. Vallée began exploring the commonalities between UFOs, cults, religious movements, demons, angels, ghosts, cryptid sightings, and psychic phenomena. Speculation about these potential links were first detailed in Vallée's third UFO book, Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers.

As an alternative to the extraterrestrial visitation hypothesis, Vallée has suggested a multidimensional visitation hypothesis. This hypothesis represents an extension of the ETH where the alleged extraterrestrials could be potentially from anywhere. The entities could be multidimensional beyond space-time, and thus could coexist with humans, yet remain undetected.

Vallée's opposition to the popular ETH was not well received by prominent U.S. ufologists, hence he was viewed as something of an outcast. Indeed, Vallée refers to himself as a "heretic among heretics".

Vallée's opposition to the ETH theory is summarised in his paper, "Five Arguments Against the Extraterrestrial Origin of Unidentified Flying Objects", Journal of Scientific Exploration, 1990:

Scientific opinion has generally followed public opinion in the belief that unidentified flying objects either do not exist (the "natural phenomena hypothesis") or, if they do, must represent evidence of a visitation by some advanced race of space travellers (the extraterrestrial hypothesis or "ETH"). It is the view of the author that research on UFOs need not be restricted to these two alternatives. On the contrary, the accumulated data base exhibits several patterns tending to indicate that UFOs are real, represent a previously unrecognized phenomenon, and that the facts do not support the common concept of "space visitors." Five specific arguments articulated here contradict the ETH:

1) unexplained close encounters are far more numerous than required for any physical survey of the earth;
2) the humanoid body structure of the alleged "aliens" is not likely to have originated on another planet and is not biologically adapted to space travel;
3) the reported behavior in thousands of abduction reports contradicts the hypothesis of genetic or scientific experimentation on humans by an advanced race;
4) the extension of the phenomenon throughout recorded human history demonstrates that UFOs are not a contemporary phenomenon; and
5) the apparent ability of UFOs to manipulate space and time suggests radically different and richer alternatives.

Vallée has contributed to the investigation of the Miracle at Fatima and Marian apparitions. His work has been used to support the Fatima UFO Hypothesis. Vallée is one of the first people to speculate publicly about the possibility that the "solar dance" at Fatima was a UFO. The idea of UFOs was not unknown in 1917, but most of the people in attendance at the Fatima apparitions would not have attributed the claimed phenomena there to UFOs, let alone to extraterrestrials. Vallée has also speculated about the possibility that other religious apparitions may have been the result of UFO activity including Our Lady of Lourdes and the revelations to Joseph Smith. Vallée and other researchers have advocated further study of unusual phenomena in the academic community. They don't believe that this should be handled solely by theologians.[4][5][6]

As a result of his imprimatur, association with SRI and friendships with Harold E. Puthoff and Central Intelligence Agency analyst Kit Green (who obtained a temporary security clearance for him in 1974), Vallée was intermittently consulted on classified remote viewing research (including the Stargate Project) throughout the 1970s and 1980s. During the early SRI experiments (led by Puthoff and Russell Targ with Green as CIA liaison), he became acquainted with Uri Geller, Edgar Mitchell, Charles Musès, Andrija Puharich, Jack Sarfatti, Arthur M. Young, Edwin C. May, Pat Price and Ingo Swann. In 1973, Doubleday editor Bill Whitehead introduced Vallée to Ira Einhorn, a close confederate of Puharich; their association would span Vallée's business and paranormal networks until Einhorn was charged with murdering his ex-girlfriend in 1979.

More recently, he has been associated with Robert Bigelow as a consultant to the National Institute for Discovery Science and a member of the scientific advisory board of Bigelow Aerospace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallée

[zorgon]

List of Aviary Members
Written by Grant Cameron    
Friday, 29 April 2011 14:46

BLUE JAY: Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green, MD, Ph.D; Chief, Biomedical Sciences Department, General Motors, former head of the CIA's UFO files at the "Weird Desk."

SEA GULL: Bruce Maccabee, Ph.D., research scientist in optical physics and laser weapons applications at the U.S. Naval Surface Weapons Lab, Maryland; MUFON physics/photo-interpretive consultant.

PELICAN: Ron Pandolfi, CIA Deputy Director for the Division of Science and Technology and current custodian of UFO files at the "Weird Desk"; may be involved in the White House initiative to promptly release UFO information to the public.

OWL: Hal Puthoff, physicist with the Institute for Advanced Research in Austin, Texas, who specializes in Zero-Point Energy, a quantum/resonance physics phenomenon with reported potential for above-unity ("free") energy.

PENGUIN: John Alexander, Ph.D, Lt. Col. U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command Col.

HAWK: Ernie Kellerstrauss, security cleared for UFO information; worked at Wright-Patterson AFB in the 1970s and reportedly lived with an extraterrestrial for a while.

CHICKADEE: Cmdr. C.B. Scott Jones, Ph.D., USN (Ret.), former officer with the Office of Naval intelligence and other agencies; 30 years service in U.S. intelligence overseas; involved in government research and development projects for the Defense Nuclear Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, and other organizations; former aide to Sen. Clairborne Pell, who had had a long-standing interest in UFOs and the paranormal.

CONDOR: Capt. Bob Collins, USAF (Ret.); Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, engaged in UFO-related intelligence operations, reportedly appeared clandestinely on the 1988 television program "UFO Cover-Up Live"

FALCON: Many have fingered Sgt. Richard "Dick" Doty, USAF (Ret.); Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations; reported to have engaged in UFO disinformation projects, including reportedly hoaxing TV producer Linda Howe concerning availability of a tape showing a UFO landing at Holloman Air Force Base, N.M. and allegedly waging psychological warfare on Albuquerque defense electronic contractor Paul Bennewitz. The actual Falcon was a DIA agent with a Slavic name who died in 2001. Only Bill Moore and Greg Bishop know who this person is as far as we know.

SPARROW: Richard Doty

RAVEN: (Identity not yet determined – actually may be two different ones.) One raven may have been Dale Graff (Raven) - Performed contract oversight for the DIA at Wright Patterson AFB. Most recently, Graff was the chief of the DIA's Defense Technology/Special department. Second RAVEN appears to be a kingpin. Jamie Shandera dealt with him.

PARTRIDGE: Jacques Vallee, Ph.D., formerly an astrophysicist with GEPAN, the French Government's UFO investigative agency, later moved to U.S. as principal investigator with Defense Department computer network projects; worked with famed astronomer Dr. J. Allen Hynek author on UFO subject.

Jack Vorona (bird name unknown) - Vorona was apparently the most covert of all the Birds. He was believed to have been a liaison between Capitol Hill and Los Alamos. Was once involved in Project Sleeping Beauty, an attempt to disable enemy troops using electromagnetic radiation.

CHICKEN LITTLE: Dan Smith, civilian UFO research/volunteer liaison with Ronald Pandolfi.
Last Updated on Monday, 02 May 2011 12:41

http://www.presidentialufo.com/the-aviary/363-list-of-aviary-members

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Just catching up with one of Grant's C lastest lectures -



Not sure where I am with him.. 



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