three californias..?

[spacemaverick]

Would that finally reveal all the underground water routes for the secret submarines? 

Th entrance for submarines at Monterey Bay?

[petrus4]

Something happened  don't know what  Some blame the fluoride 

a}  Daycare; essentially a scenario where children are put into the human equivalent of a factory farm, while they are still far too developmentally immature for such things.  There is a time when seperation from imprinted parents should happen, yes; but not while you're still a toddler.  This is the main cause of the likes of Trigglypuff and the social justice warriors; the fact that most of them had parents who just plain didn't give a shit, and who saw them as an inconvenience to be handed off to someone else at any possible opportunity.  I can guarantee you that you won't find a single transgendered person in particular, who did not have this kind of issue developmentally.

b}  Collective, formal education, which was specifically designed and intended to really act as penal reform, rather than to educate.  There is a deliberate attempt to destroy personal initiative, the desire to learn, creativity, and the general belief that literally action can or should be taken, without the blessing of an "expert," or some form of centralised, psychopathic authority.  The primary objective of the school system is to force an individual to psychologically accept the fact that the psychopaths are in charge, and also to force said individual to accept the permanent position in life which said psychopaths consider appropriate for them. 

There is no single human institution that needs to be more urgently or completely obliterated than state education.  Dystopia begins in the classroom.  Without making another explicit attempt to compete in the Victimhood Olympics, I will simply say that I consider my time within said education system, to be the primary cause of my customary lack of mental health.

c}  Trophies for participation, or other situations/events in which an individual is given praise which is completely disproportional to the level of real achievement involved.  While some aspects of the education system cause psychopathology via negative reinforcement, it is equally possible for inappropriate positive reinforcement to have bad effects.  I know from direct personal experience, that extended immersion in computer games in which the player is depicted as heroic and the center of the universe, (especially when received in conjunction with the aforementioned psychological brutalisation of the education system) is a recipe for chronic, delusional narcissism.  I am not an eight foot tall, sixteenth century Orcish mercenary in real life; but then again, perhaps I should try and adhere to that fantasy a little more than I did a decade ago, because if nothing else, it at least gave me more courage.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Th entrance for submarines at Monterey Bay?

Yep

[ArMaP]

a}  Daycare; essentially a scenario where children are put into the human equivalent of a factory farm, while they are still far too developmentally immature for such things.  There is a time when seperation from imprinted parents should happen, yes; but not while you're still a toddler.  This is the main cause of the likes of Trigglypuff and the social justice warriors; the fact that most of them had parents who just plain didn't give a shit, and who saw them as an inconvenience to be handed off to someone else at any possible opportunity.  I can guarantee you that you won't find a single transgendered person in particular, who did not have this kind of issue developmentally.

Generalisations should be avoided, and this looks like an excellent example of that. I know dozens of men and women that were in daycare and did not turn into social justice warriors.

There is no single human institution that needs to be more urgently or completely obliterated than state education.  Dystopia begins in the classroom.

Same as above. I, like some 80% of the Portuguese population, am a result of state education and do not exhibit any of those traces.

[zorgon]

Would that finally reveal all the underground water routes for the secret submarines? 

or seal them off

[zorgon]

Same as above. I, like some 80% of the Portuguese population, am a result of state education and do not exhibit any of those traces.

That explains a lot

[ArMaP]

That explains a lot

I was expecting that.

[Irene]

We must take care of the sea life that Fukushima didn't kill.

Kind of late for that. Cesium-137 is in California wines. If it's in the grapes, which are on land, then it's certainly in the fish, who've been directly exposed to it.

[Irene]

Something happened  don't know what  Some blame the fluoride 

It began when we failed to control the hippies.

[petrus4]

It began when we failed to control the hippies.

Yep.  No matter what the problem is, the cure is always simple.  We always need less freedom.

[zorgon]

Yep.  No matter what the problem is, the cure is always simple.  We always need less freedom.

Well you know the Olde Saying....  "Idle hands are the devil's workshop"

[petrus4]

Well you know the Olde Saying....  "Idle hands are the devil's workshop"

I've personally observed a lot more evil being committed by those who are determined to ensure that others are not idle, than I have by those who were idle themselves.  Indolence is not our biggest problem; a much larger problem is caused by a combination of greed, and authoritarians who are incapable of tolerating the idea that anyone else might be less miserable than they are themselves.

[Irene]

Yep.  No matter what the problem is, the cure is always simple.  We always need less freedom.

Bah.

We failed to instill and compel enough discipline in the hippies. If they'd controlled their behavior, acted respectfully, we wouldn't be where we are now.

[petrus4]

We failed to instill and compel enough discipline in the hippies. If they'd controlled their behavior, acted respectfully, we wouldn't be where we are now.

I've seen humanity oscillate between the two extremes of "discipline" and "respect" (read: fascism) on the one hand, and complete, spineless decadence on the other, to have been convinced that neither of those two conditions are the answer, Irene.  I've been among hippies on a first hand basis, and their lifestyle does have its' disadvantages, to be sure; but I've also seen authoritarianism cause just as much harm, if not more.  The police and the hippies were contrasted side by side in Nimbin, and neither looked appealing as a result of the comparison.

The problem with advocacy of authoritarianism, I've noticed, is that it invites massive oversimplification, and also tends to believe in forms of retributive justice, which can work on a short to immediate term basis, but which generally does not solve the underlying problems which cause aberrant behaviour in the first place.

The Buddha and Confucius both talked about the middle way.

[Irene]

I've seen humanity oscillate between the two extremes of "discipline" and "respect" (read: fascism) on the one hand, and complete, spineless decadence on the other, to have been convinced that neither of those two conditions are the answer, Irene.  I've been among hippies on a first hand basis, and their lifestyle does have its' disadvantages, to be sure; but I've also seen authoritarianism cause just as much harm, if not more.  The police and the hippies were contrasted side by side in Nimbin, and neither looked appealing as a result of the comparison.

The problem with advocacy of authoritarianism, I've noticed, is that it invites massive oversimplification, and also tends to believe in forms of retributive justice, which can work on a short to immediate term basis, but which generally does not solve the underlying problems which cause aberrant behaviour in the first place.

The Buddha and Confucius both talked about the middle way.

Listen, I behave in a civilized manner in public. I expect the same from other people. This is not an unreasonable expectation.


Now we hear that people cannot wear a hat supporting a legally elected President, who is keeping every one of his campaign promises, without being assaulted by the heirs of hippiedom. (People are sh*tting in the streets of San Francisco.) Antifa is advocating violence against the Right and, in some cases, have followed through on it. Blatant lies are disseminated in the media.

The President's press secretary needs Secret Service protection and she is personally attacked, as is the President and his family including his minor son. Whoopi Not-at-All Funny Goldberg attacks a judge for expressing her opinion in a country which is Number 1 in the world for free speech.


Moderation isn't the answer to these problems. Moderation is why we have this problem. Moderation has produced two recent generations of deluded sociopaths, marinated in Socialist dogma.


"Houston, we have a problem."


Moderation? No. I live a civilized life, respecting those around me within reason. I want civilized behavior in return. Whatever it takes to achieve that, I want it done.


* Apologies for formatting.