Buzz Aldrin says we didn't go to the moon

[astr0144]

On doing a quick search, so far I can only seem to see Triangular Windows on the LM.. although there is also a small more rectangular docking window shown in the diagram below... shown as being on the top left hand side..

I a not sure if there are other windows elsewhere... but diagrams show the Lunar Module with the triangular windows..

in these diagrams you cannot see whats on the others sides or to the rear back side of it... or I could not until I found the link shown below that shows various images at different sides of it on a Model...

it seems sort of symetrical...but on one side you do have the FORWARD Hatch to the Steps that I assume may be classed as the Front of it..







https://dodlithr.blogspot.com/search/label/Apollo%20Systems

some other images and links below..




http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/435602/view




This seems an interesting link on a LM simulator.

http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum41/HTML/000271.html






http://space1.com/Museum_Exhibits/Spacecraft_Simulators/Lunar_Landing_Sim/lunar_landing_sim.html


Some images of the acent LM stage that maybe to the other side of it...

The 1st one does show the Rectangular window
















This link shows various images of the Lunar Module..That I think will show all the Windows..

you can see different images from differing angles.. like as if you were able to rotate it..

http://www.ninfinger.org/karld/My%20Space%20Museum/johno.htm




This image  also shows the rectangular window









So Maybe this photo descriped by ArMaP as an original is showing the Command Module at what ever angle that it appears at and the other parts to the right and top part of the photo is the inside of the Lunar Module.

or is there some sort of  camera that may connect to a sort of TV screen inside the LM that we may be seeing ?

[ArMaP]

I am not sure how you found the suggested original image in the NASA photo search link that you posted...as the link did not take to the actual photo that you posted.... So I assume you put in certain wording description to have found that particular image... if so could you tell us what description wording that you used to search for that image..

Yes, you need to search for the image ID, in this case AS15-88-11963. Here's the result of that search.

Even then I am still confused.. as the image does not look anything like what Id expect to see  on a NASA website..

It looks very much like an image taken from someones TV or Monitor to me and uploaded..

The reason I say that is because its not Cropped and squared off..or centrilised .. its off centre. ! . Looking at the photo.. it looks angled or  slanted somehow... (That maybe the curvature of the moon in the background at the lower part.... but what are we seeing on the right side and part above)  something does not seem clear or easy to decipher..
I can some sort of faint lines or ghost like imaging to the right and top part of the photo..

I thought all NASA images were cropped... and did not think that they will show any originals that the public actually gets to see that is made obvious.. 

That's why I like that site, they have digital versions of the unprocessed photos, we can see where the emulsion ends. Also, they have the highest definition versions.

Also why would NASA show the Command Module appearing to look at the angle that your Suggested Original photo
is showing... ie as if its Front part is heading upwards or verticle rather than moving sidewards Horizontally as if its going around the moons equator or similar sort of horizontal line around  another part of the moons Circumference....even thou its slightly tilted.. as the cropped image shows it.. 

The Command Module was rotating to point the docking hatch to the Lunar Module, so they could dock.

I dont think that I have ever seen a picture of a Command Module appearing to be in a tilted sort of take off position before with its nose at the top as such  ! 

In the image you posted.. you can see some colours on the CM if you look closely...so its not a B&W or Grey like photo..

You don't even need to look closely, that's obviously a colour image, even the Moon has colour.

If that image of the Command Module (CM) is real... then I can only think that it was taken from the Lunar Module .. either after it departed to go to land on the Moon..   or later after when it had left or taken of from the moon to reconnect back with the C.M...

It was taken when they were returning from the Moon and docking to the Command Module.

without looking at  very close up details of the LM... I think its hard to say how or from where the photo could have been taken from...   Could they have had cameras on the outside to take photos rather than astronauts taking a photo from behind a window...

No, it was taken from inside, with a Hasselblad camera.

That was also Apollo 16 CM. so they may have altered something for the better photo wise... since the Apollo 11 mission..

That photo is from Apollo 15, not 16.

[ArMaP]

I can some sort of faint lines or ghost like imaging to the right and top part of the photo..

Those faint lines (that I first thought were part of the window shade) are the lines from the Landing Point Designator.

[astr0144]

Thanks for your explanations ArMaP...

That website looks very good ...

I am not sure that I can entirely agree with somethings that you say.. as I am not sure how you know the details that you describe, such as the CM being photographed in a vertical position.. but what you say could explain it..

I could really only see some colour on he C.M...but only if I looked closely...the  moon background colour did not  stand out... like the colour "Z" claims it should be..

Yes, you need to search for the image ID, in this case AS15-88-11963. Here's the result of that search.

https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/SearchPhotos/photo.pl?mission=AS15&roll=88&frame=11963

I think when I posted one of the Images of the C.M.. it suggested it was from Apollo 16..

But maybe the ref your show refers to Apollo 15 !

AS15-88-11963


Thats good that you found an exlanation for the faint lines...good find !

Those faint lines (that I first thought were part of the window shade) are the lines from the Landing Point Designator.

[ArMaP]

I am not sure that I can entirely agree with somethings that you say.. as I am not sure how you know the details that you describe, such as the CM being photographed in a vertical position.. but what you say could explain it..

Look at this page. The images are not as good, but as it shows all the photos from that roll in sequence you can see how the Command Module was being manoeuvred for the docking.

I could really only see some colour on he C.M...but only if I looked closely...the  moon background colour did not  stand out... like the colour "Z" claims it should be..

Colour reproduction is a big problem, as is monitor calibration, so we can never know what colours other people are seeing. Besides that technical problem we also have the fact that different people see different colours, so being sure becomes even harder. I have no problem in seeing colours on that photo.

[astr0144]

Thats another good website showing those series of photos....

It does suggest that the pictures are from after the LM take off ?

So which Window do you think that photo would have been taken from ?

The triangular ones or Rectangular one ? or some other that I have not noticed ?

Yes... I could agree with most of what you suggest about the Colour issues varying for most of the viewers due to several factors..

Look at this page. The images are not as good, but as it shows all the photos from that roll in sequence you can see how the Command Module was being manoeuvred for the docking.
Colour reproduction is a big problem, as is monitor calibration, so we can never know what colours other people are seeing. Besides that technical problem we also have the fact that different people see different colours, so being sure becomes even harder. I have no problem in seeing colours on that photo.

[fansongecho]

Did you folks that watched the moon landing ( I did with my dad - well, I watched something that as a 7 year old, I thought was landing on the moon etc ..) - did your Television work with valves or transistors? and was it Black and white or was it a colour TV set?

If you open a pressured can into a vacuum, what happens to the pressured can? is there an air lock ? what is the mechanism that allows egress and ingress into the LM ? ?

[zorgon]

is there an air lock ?

No there is no air lock... I guess they carried TONS of extra air to refill that craft every time they went in and out...

And how do they explain that they were able to toss out the heavy boots AFTER they were back inside?

what is the mechanism that allows egress and ingress into the LM ? ?

No mechanism... You crawled out a little tiny hatch with that big bulky space suit and hope it didn't snag

[zorgon]

Nice long book as usual with LOTS of model pictures

BUT NO ONE HAS YET ADDRESSED WHY THIS CARDBOARD MODEL is supposed to have been in space

[astr0144]

Yes a book of images trying to search for that Square Window  that you wanted to enquire about..!

Do the Model Images and some suggested real ones offer an answer to which Window that suggested true Apollo CM Photo ArMaP found that it mayhad been taken from ?

Do you think it mayhad been thru the rectangular window ?

No one has given any comment on that as yet !

I was hoping that we may get some further input from our leaders and  John as to is that a model or Spacecraft and did it  actually in Space ago to tnd he Moon or are we being deceived and maybe it is just a cardboard  model ?   

Although I am sure you have  done similar threads to this already...

maybe this could of interest to see if views may have altered !   

Nice long book as usual with LOTS of model pictures

BUT NO ONE HAS YET ADDRESSED WHY THIS CARDBOARD MODEL is supposed to have been in space

[RUSSO]

BUT NO ONE HAS YET ADDRESSED WHY THIS CARDBOARD MODEL is supposed to have been in space

its a shame. its a joke. future is here. how much further we have to go?

ty for the welcome. Things have changed. I love what we supposed to do but it is not a fair game. it never was but we take the heat anyways.

[RUSSO]

[fansongecho]

Proper LOL at the Z'meister comments 

I am going to do some digging on the Lunar Rover, the pressurised gauntlets and the High Gain Antenna that was used by NASA to facilitate the remote control of the Color Camera that was fixed to the Lunar Rover.

[ArMaP]

So which Window do you think that photo would have been taken from ?

The triangular ones or Rectangular one ? or some other that I have not noticed ?

I said on the previous page, on this post, the triangular left (when looking from inside the LM) window. Also, it looks like that was the one that had the Landing Point Designator.

[ArMaP]

BUT NO ONE HAS YET ADDRESSED WHY THIS CARDBOARD MODEL is supposed to have been in space

Could you point why it could not?