Buzz Aldrin says we didn't go to the moon

[A51Watcher]

I recall somewhere in this thread Irene and Sarge discussing the astronaut news conference where they were obviously ill at ease and not comfortable answering questions.

I can't find that exchange now, but wanted to back up Sarge's comment about the program being top secret.

That is true but I don't think he went far enough in providing context. In fact... the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions were all top secret as hell at the time.

I was locked into getting any information available to the public from any source all during these programs, and technical tidbits were always very hard to come by.

So yes, I agree 100% with Sarge's estimation that the astronauts were very concerned about accidentally letting any secrets loose while answering reporters  questions. 


 

[astr0144]

I think this is the posts that you refer to.. that were made on another thread that also discussed somethings to do with the moon landings.. and Sgt and Irene , Pim had their discussion..


Horizon: Jupiter Revealed

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=11047.msg145061#msg145061

I recall somewhere in this thread Irene and Sarge discussing the astronaut news conference where they were obviously ill at ease and not comfortable answering questions.

I can't find that exchange now, but wanted to back up Sarge's comment about the program being top secret.

That is true but I don't think he went far enough in providing context. In fact... the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions were all top secret as hell at the time.

I was locked into getting any information available to the public from any source all during these programs, and technical tidbits were always very hard to come by.

So yes, I agree 100% with Sarge's estimation that the astronauts were very concerned about accidentally letting any secrets loose while answering reporters  questions. 

[fansongecho]

Hi Pimander,

I will do buddy, probably not today but I will do - just one very quick one to whet your appetite 

The attached link is public domain so I am not giving any secrets away - 

http://radarpages.co.uk/mob/linesman/type85.htm

The Type 85 Radar was a long range surveillance Radar Operated out of 3 Royal Air Force Radar Stations during the Cold War and operated in a sophisticated Early Warning Ground Environment "System" the above link gives really detailed information and background on this now decommissioned and declassified "system" and is well worth a read Pimander. 

Anyhoo, the T-85 operated in a number of modes, and in the summer there was always flocks of Rooks (part of the Raven family) that used to sit on top of the rotating radar antenna (and also the Type-84) -

Well, in one of the modes of operation the Radar engaged in, it was so powerful that it litterally cooked any Rooks that may be taking time out and hitching a ride on the Type-85, and at Staxton Wold (the Royal Air Force Station I was first posted to as a very young and wet behind the ears 17 year old) we had to be careful about the "high-power-runs" as it used to set off the car alarms and house alarms in Scarborough just down the coast from us. 


I will ping something out later this week Pimander 

Cheers,

Fansongecho 

[Pimander]

Anyhoo, the T-85 operated in a number of modes, and in the summer there was always flocks of Rooks (part of the Raven family) that used to sit on top of the rotating radar antenna (and also the Type-84) -

T-84/85 was one of the main radars at Bentwaters/Woodbridge right?

One guy was saying it was his job to sweep up the dead sparrows from near the radar.  Potent kit!

I've also read that there were cloud-busters at the same base.  Were they really testing them?

[fansongecho]

@Pimander, as far as I was aware neither the T-85 or T-84 were ever deployed out to any of the USAFE / RAF Bases in Anglia, they were deployed at RAF Neitishead, RAF Statxton Wold and RAF Boulmer bud.

I can well believe that they had a high powered Air Traffic Control like a AR-15 (much like the ATC Radars at Heathrow and Manchester) which would still cook small birds if they stayed in the beam for too long.

I never heard about cloud buster technology, but I did see that the T-85 on a high power "run" when it was light raining the antenna didnt get wet.. 

Signal Processing via Circular Polarisation of the (any) Radar Beam
will eliminate weather "clutter" such as rain, snow and fog and mist which if the weather is bad can/could cause the Radar Operators issues by masking low flying AC returns - its a well known signal processing in the Radar World and normally selectable by the radar engineering / operator.   

I will create a new thread now as I have hijacked this thread somewhat - maybe Z or one of the admins can move this reply to the new thread after I have created it please ??

Cheers!

Fansongecho 

[Pimander]

@Pimander, as far as I was aware neither the T-85 or T-84 were ever deployed out to any of the USAFE / RAF Bases in Anglia, they were deployed at RAF Neitishead, RAF Statxton Wold and RAF Boulmer bud.

I got the information from a forum (Abovetopsecret.com) so the person posting was probably talking out of their 4rse hole.

Signal Processing via Circular Polarisation of the (any) Radar Beam
will eliminate weather "clutter" such as rain, snow and fog and mist which if the weather is bad can/could cause the Radar Operators issues by masking low flying AC returns - its a well known signal processing in the Radar World and normally selectable by the radar engineering / operator.   

{nods} 

I will create a new thread now as I have hijacked this thread somewhat - maybe Z or one of the admins can move this reply to the new thread after I have created it please ??

Cool

Any mod or admin (including me) can split the topic if our off-topic posts bother them but they (we) can rarely be bothered.

[Pimander]

So yes, I agree 100% with Sarge's estimation that the astronauts were very concerned about accidentally letting any secrets loose while answering reporters  questions. 

Yes, the secret being that they never landed on the Moon.  They never left LEO.

[A51Watcher]

Yes, the secret being that they never landed on the Moon.  They never left LEO.

That could very well be. Obviously lots of evidence pointing that direction.

My only point was from my experience the whole program was very hush hush all the way through, ostensibly due to the space race with the Ruskies.

[Pimander]

They never left LEO which is why they had to fake pictures of shots of a distant Earth.

See from 34"

[ArMaP]

They never left LEO which is why they had to fake pictures of shots of a distant Earth.

In all missions?

[Pimander]

In all missions?

In Apollo 11?  I don't think soi.

In unmanned missions?  Yes.

Other Apollo missions?  Perhaps.

Even if the analysis of how they are faking the distant Earth are partly conjecture it looks obvious that they are still in LEO in that shot.

[ArMaP]

Even if the analysis of how they are faking the distant Earth are partly conjecture it looks obvious that they are still in LEO in that shot.

Even if that's true it doesn't mean they didn't go to the Moon.

[Pimander]

Even if that's true it doesn't mean they didn't go to the Moon.

No but you don't need to fake footage of something you actually did. 

[ArMaP]

No but you don't need to fake footage of something you actually did. 

True, but they would most likely fake footage of something they had not done yet, just in case.

The problem with using those images as evidence that they didn't reach the Moon is that then all Moon photos had to be fake too, and I haven't seen one clear evidence of that in all these years.

[Pimander]

The problem with using those images as evidence that they didn't reach the Moon is that then all Moon photos had to be fake too, and I haven't seen one clear evidence of that in all these years.

They don't have to be fake images.  Just not images of the actual Moon.  (I'm only suggesting the Apollo 11 at the moment)

Much like the Moon rocks that turned out to have tree rings in them.  If you really had Moon rocks then you don't need to hand out fake ones.  (Unless the Moon has fossilised trees on it of course.)

Too much BS.  It smells like what it is to me.

And finally, you don't need to make fake footage "just in case" unless you are planning to potentially fake it if you fail.  If you believe they intended to do that then you are one step from admitting the truth.  They faked Apollo 11.