Buzz Aldrin says we didn't go to the moon

[fansongecho]

@ArMAp - I will be ringing both NASA and the Dutch to ascertain the truth about the rock, and I will do my best to record the conversations, it wont be this week but I am off next week and I will do it then. 

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@Z, I totally agree, we did not get through the Van Allen Radiation belts with the Apollo missions technology, I do believe that there were many unmanned missions that the US and USSR commissioned separately and I think jointly (cant prove that, just a hunch) that explored the moon, and will remain classified and hidden from Joe blow (us) for a few hundred years - I do suspect and have a very strong gut feeling that the US did get to the moon using some other advanced technology but I wont see evidence of it in my remaining lifetime, and I really do believe that Ingo Swann was correct in stating that we (human-kind) are not at all welcome on the moon by the indigenous species that exist on there. 

AND, if the US / Russia / China or India or any joint ventures do try and go back, with manned missions, they will be meet with a very hostile response - expect the livestream to go dead and an announcement of "catastrophic failures of the mission on live TV IF it ever happens.

all just "feelings" of course - I cant, as yet prove any of this but I am putting it out there for comments. 

Cheers, 

Fans'

[ArMaP]

@ArMAp - I will be ringing both NASA and the Dutch to ascertain the truth about the rock, and I will do my best to record the conversations, it wont be this week but I am off next week and I will do it then. 

That would be great.

AND, if the US / Russia / China or India or any joint ventures do try and go back, with manned missions, they will be meet with a very hostile response - expect the livestream to go dead and an announcement of "catastrophic failures of the mission on live TV IF it ever happens.

Why are unmanned missions allowed by those supposed Moon people but manned missions are not?

[fansongecho]

@ArMaP, maybe they do interfere with the un-manned missions,that are not publicly declared by which ever Space Enabled Governments ? I forget how many Mars missions had failures ? it was quite a few if memory serves before they landed and managed to get "reliable data" back from Mars as I recall? 

[ArMaP]

@ArMaP, maybe they do interfere with the un-manned missions,that are not publicly declared by which ever Space Enabled Governments ?

Why those, do they watch Earth news channels?

I forget how many Mars missions had failures ? it was quite a few if memory serves before they landed and managed to get "reliable data" back from Mars as I recall? 

Many, if I'm not mistaken, only the US has had success in landing probes on Mars.

PS: on my previous post I was thinking about the Moon, as that was what we were talking about, not Mars.

[fansongecho]

@ArMap..  lol.. not sure what those undeclared missions broadcast buddy   

Re the Mars connections, I was attempting to point out that the Mars (declared) mission failures are well documented - and going rapidly back to the Moon thread ..   

Cheers!

Fans' 

[Pimander]

Incidentally, has anyone managed to work out why the Space Shuttle couldn't go to the Moon if Apollo could?

I don't mean land there as Apollo would have crashed if it tried let alone The Shuttle.  I mean just a small boost and orbit then sling back.  One single reason why it couldn't.

[astr0144]

Not sure what the main single reason maybe..

but when I put your question in a search box...

this is what answers that  it suggested

The Space Shuttle was designed for Low Earth Orbit (LEO). It did not have the capacity to carry enough fuel to go to the moon. It did not have a communication system that would allow effective communication from the moon. It was not shielded for the radiation experienced at those altitudes.

Incidentally, has anyone managed to work out why the Space Shuttle couldn't go to the Moon if Apollo could?

I don't mean land there as Apollo would have crashed if it tried let alone The Shuttle.  I mean just a small boost and orbit then sling back.  One single reason why it couldn't.

[zorgon]

Pegasus to the Rescue... 

AQUILA CARGO TRANSPORT

Remember that one?  The one that started my whole quest into the secret space program?  The one that got Jack Arneson to join? (RIP Jack)  The one that involves Buzz Aldrin and launches from Kwajalien?  The name that appears in the paper that is in Zorgon's TEST here on the forum that only a very few people took?  The name that comes from the Chronicles of Riddick?

Method of Delivering Lunar Generated Fluid 
to Earth Orbit Using an External Tank



Publication number: US5092545
Publication date: 1992-03-03
Inventor: BUTTERFIELD ANSEL J (US); GOSLEE JOHN W (US)
Applicant: NASA (US)

ABSTRACT
A method and apparatus are provided for delivering lunar generated fluid to Earth orbit from lunar orbit. Transport takes place in an external tank of a shuttle which has been suitably outfitted in Earth orbit for reusable travel between Earth orbit and a lunar orbit. The outfitting of the external tank includes the adding of an engine, an electrical system, a communication system, a guidance system, an aerobraking device, and a plurality of interconnected fluid storage tanks to the hydrogen and oxygen tanks of the external tank. The external tank is then propelled to lunar orbit the first time using Earth based propellant. In lunar orbit, the storage tanks are filled with the lunar generated fluid with the remainder tank volumes filled with lunar generated liquid oxygen and hydrogen which serve as propellants for returning the tank to Earth orbit where the fluid is off-loaded. The remaining lunar generated oxygen and hydrogen is then sufficient to return the external tank to lunar orbit so that a subsequent cycle of fluid delivery is repeated. A space station in a higher Earth orbit is preferably used to outfit the external tank, and a lunar node in lunar orbit is used to store and transfer the fluid and liquid oxygen and hydrogen to the external tank. The lunar generated fluid is preferably 3He.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Aquila_003.html

[spacemaverick]

Pegasus to the Rescue... 

AQUILA CARGO TRANSPORT

Remember that one?  The one that started my whole quest into the secret space program?  The one that got Jack Arneson to join? (RIP Jack)  The one that involves Buzz Aldrin and launches from Kwajalien?  The name that appears in the paper that is in Zorgon's TEST here on the forum that only a very few people took?  The name that comes from the Chronicles of Riddick?

Method of Delivering Lunar Generated Fluid 
to Earth Orbit Using an External Tank



Publication number: US5092545
Publication date: 1992-03-03
Inventor: BUTTERFIELD ANSEL J (US); GOSLEE JOHN W (US)
Applicant: NASA (US)

ABSTRACT
A method and apparatus are provided for delivering lunar generated fluid to Earth orbit from lunar orbit. Transport takes place in an external tank of a shuttle which has been suitably outfitted in Earth orbit for reusable travel between Earth orbit and a lunar orbit. The outfitting of the external tank includes the adding of an engine, an electrical system, a communication system, a guidance system, an aerobraking device, and a plurality of interconnected fluid storage tanks to the hydrogen and oxygen tanks of the external tank. The external tank is then propelled to lunar orbit the first time using Earth based propellant. In lunar orbit, the storage tanks are filled with the lunar generated fluid with the remainder tank volumes filled with lunar generated liquid oxygen and hydrogen which serve as propellants for returning the tank to Earth orbit where the fluid is off-loaded. The remaining lunar generated oxygen and hydrogen is then sufficient to return the external tank to lunar orbit so that a subsequent cycle of fluid delivery is repeated. A space station in a higher Earth orbit is preferably used to outfit the external tank, and a lunar node in lunar orbit is used to store and transfer the fluid and liquid oxygen and hydrogen to the external tank. The lunar generated fluid is preferably 3He.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Aquila_003.html

Looks like a cross between the Dynasoar and the X37B.