Time to Stir the Pot

[space otter]

But can you elaborate on what opportunity or benefit he sought to exploit from this?

what i said was i believe he (bob) is an opportunist ...
and i got that opinion from readin this guys time line and his update
on him..as well as the gene guy's story about how they met and became friends

inserting here cause i have to again go find the dang things..i did post the links in the other thread but who reads?
http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/gene-huff-reviews-the-lazar-corner/
and
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/lazar/synopsis.htm





gut feeling is this guy (Mahood) had nothing to gain from following up and doing research and i do believe what he has written as his opinion ..i just so happen to agree with his concussion

http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/the-lazar-timeline/
and

by Tom Mahood

(Note from 2018: There is a lot of traffic direct to this page via hotlinking or search engines. Be aware this is pretty old stuff. If you have an interest in this topic, I'd suggest you also have a look at my perspective on Lazar's story from the viewpoint of 2018. TL;DR: It's mostly bullshit, the important parts, anyway)

http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/


i've been reading this guys stuff and i think he did his due diligence on bob
untill this subject came up a bit ago i never looked into it because it just didn't interest me .. reading up on what he did with researching the time line really doesn't make bob sound like much of a stand up guy 
my gut feeling is  opportunist out for what he can get....and not someone i want to know..i already know a bunch of those types

and here we are  still standing in the quicksand of his story instead of moving on to what the hell is and has happened

not contributing any more i'm way past having my say and no progress is being made

you guys fight it out

[A51Watcher]

Ok I did find the drones, must have showed up while I was posting.

Interesting stuff, but appears to be conventional combustion engine technology.

Speaking of what has happened since, why the owner of 5000 mph and 90 degree technology not showed their hand since 1947?

No word ever since on whose it was.

[The Seeker]

Not sure if the below goes here or on another Bob L thread??

Alot of your questions have been covered in other older threads, Fans', but I will attempt to answer your questions later today;
John Lear does still post on FB and can be contacted there, if you can get him to respond...

as far as I know, no one here is in contact with Bob Lazar...



Seeker

[zorgon]

Well the benefits seem to be materializing right now with the new 4 names 'documentary'


But I just got this from ATS Mirageman


mirageman
posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:06 AM link   
a reply to: thepixelpusher

... I wouldn't be surprised if the US Govt. military hasn't bought that Ranch....Springer and Jeremy you had some brass ones for going there!!

After all the stories since the mid-90s I would be surprised if a US military branch had bought the ranch and invited the owner of ATS and Robbie Williams and Jeremy along to sit around the camp fire and make movies.That's the last thing the military would do. The opening post tells you what this all about

....the way movies work is you have to build up some suspense and thereby get some interest in the picture built up too while you're at it (hopefully). It's called marketing and yes, it's all a big tease because it has to be,

Link : www.abovetopsecret.com...


And the official trademark registration of Skinwalker Ranch tells you this too.





Providing recreation facilities; Arranging and conducting special events for social entertainment purposes; Entertainment services, namely, storytelling; Publishing of printed matter; Publishing of electronic publications; Entertainment services, namely, creation, development, production, and distribution of multimedia content, internet content, motion pictures, and television shows

Link : trademarks.justia.com...

Let's leave Robbie Williams to tell you what this all about again.

NOTE: Video not available in US so we can't watch it


The upcoming movie will entertain you.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg44#pid23577632

[zorgon]

mirageman
posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 01:48 PM link   

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: mirageman

I don't think Skinwalker Ranch will turn into a theme park of fun or entertainment. Maybe the filing has the misdirection of entertainment to make people misunderstand the research going on there. There is an ATS member posting on this thread that is under NDA to speak freely about Skinwalker. Ask yourself why. My personal opinion is that Skinwalker is under an important strategic research program.


You mean this movie is all a set up and Adamantium (the company that the owner has set up to adminster Skinwalker Ranch and its associated trademarks) is some sort of front like Studio Six Productions was?

Adamantium interestingly enough is a fictional metal alloy by the way.

If your suppositions are correct then that means you are implicating Springer, Robbie Williams, George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell are being used for some kind of cover-up for the MIC.

Interesting supposition my friend. Care to elaborate on this idea before someone knocks on your door?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg45#pid23578732

[zorgon]

Much as i hate to promote ATS   I am suggesting everyone here interested in this topic reads THIS THREAD from page 42

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg42

Lots of interesting material in it  and i don't have time to copy it all

Tidbits like THIS  Springer talking about Secure Team 10's involvement;

Springer

posted on Jul, 14 2018 @ 11:32 PM link   
a reply to: thepixelpusher

Hell no we won't delete it!

ATS is promoted in that movie (via my presence and a direct plug for the site in it), it's about time we got a little love back from them! God knows ATS helped build their YT channel right up until we realized they were hoaxing crap for views.
@@

The more I dig into this, the more the whole thing seems a huge setup to make money...

And the main premise seems to be there are no UFO Aliens but a portal type situation to another dimension  A Quantum world

And oddly enough Disney movies is doing Ant Man and the Quantum Universe...

[zorgon]

Just a NOTE re Pot Stirring

IF the Bob Lazar story cannot withstand being in the pot, then there is nothing there

IF we don't stir the pot from time to time the forum goes stagnate.

This has already happened of late and the Bob Lazar story is all over the internet like a virus right now with both sides pro and con duking it out.

WHY NOW?  That is a good question 

So have at it  but keep it civil

[zorgon]

Okay so here we go... the WTF? Moment.


mirageman
posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 05:40 AM link   

a reply to: Jay-morris
Ok, thank you for clarifying that you do not have a clue why this channel is in the hoax bin, and cannot come up with a single piece of evidence that he hoaxes videos.


I posted you the link in my reply as to why that Youtube channel [Secure team 10] is placed in the hoax bin here on ATS. Did you not understand any of that?

It contains a further link explaining a number of other channels who also pass on these hoaxes.

ufotheater.com...

Time and time again we hear about people bring ridiculed, even hounded out of their jobs for holding alternative views.

Of all the scientists in the world who hold alternative views, which ones have been ridiculed and hounded out of their jobs? I'm sure you can find a list as long as your arm with the names of these scientists? You can, can't you?

Yet Hal Puthoff seems to have done alright for himself whilst holding some very weird views. He's a former $cientologist who actually managed to walk away from the organisation with no problems at all. That should raise questions.

He has spent long periods studying the paranormal with huge grants from the US government. He even made the ground breaking discovery that chicken eggs do not have feelings..

This guy is now a contractor for To the Stars Academy. So despite not delivering anything but paperwork since the 1970s his crackpot views do not seem to have hounded him out of his work. In fact he's done rather well from it wouldn't you say? His pal Eric Davis holds some mighty strange beliefs too and he seems to be making a nice living working for EarthTech too.

....Quantum Physics can open doors to many different theories, stranger than the one before, and that is a good thing. But these subjects, example Skywalker range are just ridiculed.

Skywalker Range? Isn't that where George Lucas lives? Now that's Skywalker Ranch. Where is Skywalker Range? Who ridiculed?

James Randi awarded Bigelow a Pigasus Award for funding purchase of the property for what he termed a "useless study" of "a 'haunted ranch' in Utah". People like James Randy is like a cult/god like figure to these armchair debunkers.

That award by James Randi was useless in my opinion. I applaud Mr. Bigelow for funding his own studies. But at the end of the day what exactly did all these studies prove? There are plenty of documents here. But what do we have beyond anecdotal evidence? Not a lot.

... Words like "critical thinking" it is just another belief system getting in the way of proper, real investigations into these phenomenas.

So forget critical thinking then, if you don't believe in it. Even though it's pretty much what all of our science has been based upon.

How would you define what a 'real' investigation would be of these phenomenas (sic)?

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ColdWisdom
posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 07:22 AM link   
a reply to: mirageman

I teeter back and forth on good ole Hal.

Puthoff, Price, Swann, & Taarg all seem to have gotten a 'pass' when it came to Hubbard's official bylaws strictly forbidding any member of that org that shall not be named from being employed by US intel agencies.

That is the implication of course, or could it be that some or all of them were double agents working on behalf of Uncle Sam? It could explain why some of them were able to walk away without being labeled a suppressive person.

One thing is for sure, something about Puthoff doesn't add up.

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pigsy2400

posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 07:59 AM link   
a reply to: ColdWisdom

I got to agree with you there. The fact that Hal was able to walkaway from Scientology does raise some serious questions, even only a small knowledge of Scientology, people know that you just dont do that. For someone to walk away with no come back at all, is very very odd and not common place at all. There are a few members on ATS who have climbed the ranks of Scientology and have documented their lives after leaving; not pleasant at all!

Good Ol' Hal reached one of the highest levels too, which makes it even more interesting and well.. worrying.

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mirageman

posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 08:25 AM link   
a reply to: pigsy2400

Yes he's now on the board of "To the Stars Academy".



It does make at least some people wonder.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg47

[fansongecho]

@Seeker, thanks bud.

@Z, The Bob L story is so polarising, and the deeper we seem to dig the more inconsitancies appear with his personal and professional history - I will do as Seeker suggested and keep digging.

I agree that it is good to stir the pot Z, for some of us newbies to Pegasus it helps us with our research  although there may well be some contentious content posted, as long as we try to keep it civil and not personal I am hopeful we can all work cooperatively towards discovering the truth.

Talking of truth I have a couple of videos I want to post - 1 on this thread, RE The RAF at Nellis and Red Flag, and Project Camelot interview which I think may need a new thread. 

Cheers ! keep it coming I am fascinated by all of this. 

Fansongecho


EDIT** Re Red Flag, this is a YT video of two ex-raf Pilots talking about there experience when working out with the USAF at Nellis, I need to trawl through to find the moment when they very briefly mention A51 - its 47 mins long but really worth a listen if you have any interest in Low Flying Combat stories 


From 12mins 30 secs .. worth a listen/watch 

[zorgon]

srb2001
posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 01:13 PM link   

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: mirageman

I don't see how you resolve:

- Woo physics
- Paranormal dogs etc
- Mind control / telepathy
- Who also need atomic layered meta materials to fly
- Who emerge out of portals
- Who can absorb most visible wavelengths of light, but struggle as the frequency gets higher
- Who emit terahertz radiation

Everyone is talking like these phenomena can operate within seconds right in front of you and not being seen. That can control minds, that apparently can set up experiments by knowing the answer in advance.

Except this is a force that is either numerically small, grossly incompetent or just jokers.

They keep crashing their ships, can mutilate cows but are incapable of doing proper science (how many COWS do they need?) or disposing of the bodies. They have stealth but can't defeat FLIR. They can cloak, but still pick up on some radars.

Seems like whatever it is wants to be seen., just not too fast.

Sadly Jeremy Corbell never returned to answer questions. A missed opportunity, I think.

Good summation of the elusiveness of the phenomenon.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg48

[zorgon]

@Z, The Bob L story is so polarising, and the deeper we seem to dig the more inconsitancies appear with his personal and professional history - I will do as Seeker suggested and keep digging.

need bob's phone number?

[fansongecho]

That would be great if possible Z 

[space otter]

I know you guys are more comfortable with nuts and bolts than the woo-woo stuff...but the times they are a changin
and we have to look past our comfort zones


along with the area 51 stuff
this skin walker ranch stuff keeps being regurgitated ..there again not something that drew me before and there again  i feel it's another front of some type

but

my take on the entire ufo stuff is that  it is a dimensional bleed and the gov or someone calling themselves 'boss' has known full well and used the ufo scenario to keep us occupied in petty quibbles...

skin walker ranch may well be some sort of nexas point (I have to look up the cords, but any area in the southwest that used to be underwater has a different  vibe and may well contain a portal/gate/entery of some type)
the water connection , i think, is a big key both ancient and current

edit  for clarity i meant the ranch with this remark)or it just may have been a place for the 'boys(?)" to play with holograms and/or mutations

and to make it seem like less than it is..hide it in plain site as entertainment..
or say it was entertainment the entire time

you know as well as i do that there are energies (for lack of a more efficient term) that are on this rock and we share space with them...
my question is... are we getting close to public greeting of these energies? and this old stuff is yet a renew of the old smoke screen that has worked for so long..

why now?..
I feel we are close to something...(the old thinning of the veil stuff)

look at the world we are currently in with many "leaders" heading towards dictatorships..the populace  finally realizing their own part in it and going..HUH!  YIKES! and the movement of thousands of humans wanting out of where they are to someplace else....what is going on and is this only a small part of that?

the times they are a changin....folks are being blasted out of their old comfort zones...on all levels
just what is the big picture here?

stir that pot.. high heat can be cleansing

[ArMaP]

(PS I do understand that you have difficulty reading between the lines and extrapolating the evidence and finding the leads, but in the conspiracy world that skill is most important

Yes, I have the tendency not to think that my imagination is the truth. 

[fansongecho]

What do

Area 51

Bob Lazar

Skinwalker Ranch

Coast-2-Coast AM

"Good evening everyone, you are in the right place at the right time, this is Coast-2-Coast AM - Blasting out of the Mojave Desert, like a Sirocco, blazing across the land, slamming into your radio like a supercharged nano-particle of un-obtainunuim, Greetings! from the boldest, bawdest, most outrageous city in the world - Planetary Capital of Sun, Fun, Sin, Sex and secrets, my not so humble home town of Las Vegas, Nevada, my name is George Knapp, your occasional host, designated driver of the airwaves, and moderator of tonight's up coming cacophonous cavalcade of conversation, that's what I am expecting anyway ..

{if the above isnt NLP?? what is??}

Have in common?? 

I could be on a very wrong track with this..  but my gut tells me, I am not.

Cheers,

Fans'