China lands spacecraft on 'dark' side of moon in world first

[Canine]

I'm surprised the biosphere they sent isn't getting much air-time.  It's probably the neatest aspect of the mission.

I'm rooting for the little guys:

Lunar Micro Ecosystem,[46] is a 3 kg (6.6 lb) sealed "biosphere" cylinder 18 cm long and 16 cm in diameter with seeds and insect eggs to test whether plants and insects could hatch and grow together in synergy.[13][42] The experiment includes seeds of potatoes, tomatoes, and Arabidopsis thaliana (a flowering plant), as well as silkworm eggs. Environmental systems will keep the container hospitable and Earth-like, except for the low lunar gravity.[47] If the eggs hatch, the larvae would produce carbon dioxide, while the germinated plants would release oxygen through photosynthesis. It is hoped that together, the plants and silkworms can establish a simple synergy within the container.[13] A miniature camera will photograph any growth. The biological experiment was designed by 28 Chinese universities.[48] Research in such closed ecological systems inform astrobiology and the development of biological life support systems for long duration missions in space stations or space habitats.[49][50][51]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang%27e_4

[ArMaP]

Thanks ArMaP, but I don't buy the explanation, no disrespect to yourself.

I'm not selling it.

As I said, anyone with a camera can try it for themselves, just try to take a photo at night, showing an illuminated area of the ground and the stars.

For anyone that knows a little about photography the answer is obvious.

I am sorry buddy, but I remain to be convinced.

I only explained why stars do not appear on photos like that, it says nothing about the veracity of the image.

[fansongecho]

@ArMaP. I will do.

I have never had any interest in photography all though I used a number of electro-optical systems for years in the Air Force, but I was not interested in the physics of photography - I have a buddy who is a proffessional photographer, I will see if he is interested in setting up some night time experiments - 

I am surprised that the Chinese team havent conducted experiments where they lose all the illumination and take images of the moons sky..  I would have thought that the images would be most spectacular 


Cheers!

Fans' 

[ArMaP]

Did NOT and it was a model with no recognizable features

Prove me wrong 

OK, point me to an example and I will look at it.

[ArMaP]

Now then  can you provide us LAUNCH DETAILS of the communication satellite they sent up with the Lander?

Is that a trick question? The communication satellite was sent up before the lander, not with the lander.

[zorgon]

The communication satellite was sent up before the lander, not with the lander.

That is what we call picking Nits 

So where are all the cool pictures of moon rocks to look at?  Surely that thing is streaming hundreds?

[hoss58]

I would be more impressed if they landed in the Sea of Tranquility and motored over to the Apollo 11 landing site, just to say Hello! 

   I agree Sarge...[grin]

[spacemaverick]

All I want is undeniable proof and that's not happening.

[ArMaP]

That is what we call picking Nits 

That's what I call saying things as they are.

The way you wrote it there was no truthful answer to your question.

So where are all the cool pictures of moon rocks to look at?  Surely that thing is streaming hundreds?

If they exist they are most likely in China, obviously, don't you remember how long it took for the images from their previous mission to be available on the Internet?

They have a different way of looking at things, they consider the results of any Chinese accomplishment as being firstly for the Chinese people, then, and if applicable, to the rest of the world.

[ArMaP]

All I want is undeniable proof and that's not happening.

True, and that applies to all things we cannot see with our own eyes (and some things we can see with our own eyes), as there's always the possibility of denying something, so there's not "undeniable proof" of any thing.

[space otter]

you guys totally crack me up....you all believe in the ufo stuff and how advanced the military is and we have space colonies etc.

and yet

none of you believe  earth humans capable of getting to the moon - on either side

what a group

[bigpappy51]

I think it's all fake how convenient they are on the backside of the moon again They must have a fixes satellite for communication in Orbital lock high above the moon enough that that sat can bounce to a satellite above the earth.. The pictures are a joke. I want to see Tsiolkovsky more then anything should have flyovers in Super HD..

The moon is a titanium spaceship.





BigPappy51

[fansongecho]

@Space Otter,

I have a number of issues with NASA and its "many missions" for example the recent Mars Insight lander, at 13 seconds in to the attached YT video, the MARS Insight lander deployed its braking parachute at an altitude of 7.5 miles with a stated velocity of .. wait for it...  928 Miles Per Hour, or if you work in meters per second, 415 m/p/s -   

If the parachute doesn't deploy the lander will hit the surface of mars just over 30 seconds later -

What material is the parachute made of to withstand a deployment at of 928MPH, with very little or no atmosphere, and provide sufficient braking to reduce the Insight lander to the speed of 136 MPH for its terminal descent..  which btw looks to be done with black magic, I wont say how they do it but check the first 35 seconds of the YT -

NASA Stated atmosphere as detailed below -
"SNIP"
The Atmosphere of Mars
 
Of all the planets, Mars is our closest relation in terms of makeup (not distance -- Venus is closer), but that's not saying much. And it certainly doesn't mean that it is hospitable.

The atmosphere of Mars differs from Earth's in many ways, and most of them don't bode well for humans living there.

It's composed mostly of carbon dioxide (95.3 percent compared to less than 1 percent on Earth).
Mars has much less nitrogen (2.7 percent compared to 78 percent on Earth).
It has very little oxygen (0.13 percent compared to 21 percent on Earth).

The red planet's atmosphere is only 0.03 percent water vapor, compared to Earth, where it makes up around 1 percent.

On average, it exerts only 6.1 millibars of surface pressure (Earth's average sea-level atmospheric pressure is 1,013.25 millibars) [source: NASA].

Because the "air" on Mars is so thin, it holds little of the heat that comes from the ground after it absorbs solar radiation. The thin air also is responsible for the wide, daily swings in temperature (almost 100 degrees Fahrenheit or 60 degrees Celsius).

Martian atmospheric pressure changes with the seasons. During the Martian summer, carbon dioxide sublimes from the polar ice caps into the atmosphere, increasing the pressure by about 2 millibars. As found by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, during the Martian winter, carbon dioxide refreezes and falls from the atmosphere as carbon dioxide snow!

This snowfall causes the pressure to decrease again. Finally, because the Martian atmospheric pressure is so low and the average temperature is so cold, liquid water cannot exist; under these conditions, water would either freeze, evaporate into the atmosphere or, as seen by NASA's 2008 Phoenix Lander mission, fall as snow [source: NASA].
"SNIP"

See the video from Nov 2018 here ---->


This is just one of the missions that I have a problem with the egg heads at NASA - it doesn't stack up.

That, and who is cleaning the camera lens of the many Mars landers and rovers?? after Mars experiences its famous dust storms, that can envelop the whole planet for days at a time. 

https://www.universetoday.com/14892/mars-dust-storms/

I do believe there is a UAP Phenomenon, and I used to think that maybe there where UFO's, but the more I research the more it seems to me that the UFO Phenomenon is a Psy-OP.

Cheers!

Fans'

[ArMaP]

What material is the parachute made of to withstand a deployment at of 928MPH, with very little or no atmosphere, and provide sufficient braking to reduce the Insight lander to the speed of 136 MPH for its terminal descent..  which btw looks to be done with black magic, I wont say how they do it but check the first 35 seconds of the YT -

The parachute is made of polyester and nylon. The final stage of the descent uses 12 rocket engines to slow down the lander.

This is just one of the missions that I have a problem with the egg heads at NASA - it doesn't stack up.

What doesn't "stack up"?

That, and who is cleaning the camera lens of the many Mars landers and rovers??

The cameras have lens caps.

[space otter]

ok again i am laughing..not at you but at how this seems to work

all this info came from . .?? .. the folks you don't believe

The atmosphere of Mars differs from Earth's in many ways, and most of them don't bode well for humans living there.

It's composed mostly of carbon dioxide (95.3 percent compared to less than 1 percent on Earth).
Mars has much less nitrogen (2.7 percent compared to 78 percent on Earth).
It has very little oxygen (0.13 percent compared to 21 percent on Earth).

The red planet's atmosphere is only 0.03 percent water vapor, compared to Earth, where it makes up around 1 percent.

On average, it exerts only 6.1 millibars of surface pressure (Earth's average sea-level atmospheric pressure is 1,013.25 millibars) [source: NASA].

and yes i know you weren't talking about the moon there...


years ago i took an adult class in astronomy.. after the first hour
the poor (many degreed) guy was laughed at as people started to ask how and where all this info came from
he had to say it was extrapolated  from this study or that
and again he was heckled  with
so these guys ASSUME this info  right?
it got almost pitiful for this  guy trying to prove all this info was concrete when it wasn't
the audience was merciless

i don't know what they did after  cause i left at the break and didn't go to the rest

this sounds like a lot of the same  but only with you (general you / basically posters here)believing some of it as fact

it just makes me laugh...so please don't take offence