Congressional Chaos 2019...

[spacemaverick]

"There are basically 3 types to deal with at this time; sheep, wolves, and shepherds, and a good shepherd tries to not only guide the herd but to care for them and protect them from harm."

Seeker, I think your statement sums it up perfectly.

[ArMaP]

That is exactly the issue we are dealing with here, ArMaP ; since the 1960's (it started with Lyndon Johnson and his "great society" crap) the schools and universities here in the US have been deliberately pushing leftist liberal programming, creating a very heavily biased agenda from pre-school onward...

Were you a student at the time?

All well and good, if the student is willing to cast aside the bias already instilled in them over 12-16 years of schooling and openly look at things with open eyes and see past the heavy layers of propaganda they are immersed in...

Only people that want to learn are able to learn, we can see it even here on Pegasus.

At times there is no other way except to push hard to get them to see that there is another side to the coin, that there are other issues to consider, and it is a matter of making a choice between the two, not blindly following the path that has been laid out before them,but to consider all the issues at hand, carefully examine the evidence, then choose...

You can do that with facts, you don't need to try to inject your own bias into it.

There are basically 3 types to deal with at this time; sheep, wolves, and shepherds, and a good shepherd tries to not only guide the herd but to care for them and protect them from harm

Could you explain what you mean with those 3 types?

[The Seeker]

Were you a student at the time?

Yes I was, ArMaP, but the area I grew up in was rural and had not been subjected to the LBJ changes yet; I didn't encounter the "new breed" of thought until I entered college

Only people that want to learn are able to learn, we can see it even here on Pegasus.

Very true, no matter how much evidence is presented, unless you are willing to consider it, it won't matter to you...

You can do that with facts, you don't need to try to inject your own bias into it.

I don't recall stating anything about bias, only that you have to try real hard to get them to even look at the facts...

Could you explain what you mean with those 3 types?

Sheep blindly follow someone else's lead; the wolves prey upon the sheep and subjugate them to their agenda;  the shepherds are those few trying to open the eyes and minds of the sheep willing to consider other than what they have been fed over and over, stating facts and offering evidence...



Seeker

[ArMaP]

I don't recall stating anything about bias, only that you have to try real hard to get them to even look at the facts...

You did not, directly, but your reference to "another side to the coin" and "making a choice between the two" made me think that you were thinking about only two sides, the "student's" side and the "teacher's" side, with the implication of a bias opposite to that of the "student". I was thinking more about trying to show the "student" that there may be other possibilities and making them find them for themselves.

Sheep blindly follow someone else's lead; the wolves prey upon the sheep and subjugate them to their agenda;  the shepherds are those few trying to open the eyes and minds of the sheep willing to consider other than what they have been fed over and over, stating facts and offering evidence...

In reality, wolves and shepherd want the same thing, getting the sheep for their own needs.

[WhatTheHey]

 ......Gotta teach those sheep so they do better on there own.       

[robomont]

The FACT  that despite all the election fraud, the fixed voting machines, signing up dead people and getting the illegals to vote that the Demonrats tried last election... still resulted in a LOSS for them... shows that what you say is not true.

Whether or not you like Trump is irrelevant... the FACT is that "we the people" spoke up and turned out in record numbers to get "anyone but Hillary" elected... and it worked

They dumped Bernie, they told Bernie to support Hillary in the same way that Hillary was told to step down and support Obama in 2008...

But they didn't count on the FACT that Bernie supporters were dead set against Hillary...  and many of those voted against her. Bernie even said that if you ever hear him say to support another candidate, to NOT LISTEN TO HIM (and this is verified by a staunch liberal living in my house right now)

The lamestream media and the Demonrats claim that they won the POPULAR vote.  Well all you have to do is look at the attendance of the rallies. Demonrat ones were mostly empty, they even photoshopped crowds into one that only had 24 people show up (Bill Clinton in Ohio) and Kane managed a show of 3 people in a Florida rally.  Yet Trump's rallies were over flowing with thousands.

In Utah they didn't have enough ballots because they did not expect voter turnout  but the voters did come out, lined up in the freezing cold for HOURS to get that ballot in...

So doing nothing is worse then voting even if its for "the lesser evil"  At least you can then earn the right to bitch and whine


The FACT is that unprecedented voter turnout swayed the day...  and I am sure even Trump was surprised he won

what so then i have my vote attached to failure,forget it.my county averages 3000 votes,we had 6800 turnout.thats fraud.the deck is stacked ahead of time,theres no winning at a rigged game.even law is rigged.its all a giant slave cult.no thanks.

[The Seeker]

......Gotta teach those sheep so they do better on there own.       

exactly, and teach them they are capable of doing for themselves, on their own, and need to get off their butts and go do it instead of "being provided for."



Seeker

[The Seeker]

You did not, directly, but your reference to "another side to the coin" and "making a choice between the two" made me think that you were thinking about only two sides, the "student's" side and the "teacher's" side, with the implication of a bias opposite to that of the "student". I was thinking more about trying to show the "student" that there may be other possibilities and making them find them for themselves.

Same concept, except over here with the torrent of blarney from the MSM, the Gen X'ers, millenials, and snowflakes aren't even going to attempt to consider there are other choices, much less look for them, unless you slap them with a fish to get them motivated to begin with...

In reality, wolves and shepherd want the same thing, getting the sheep for their own needs.

the difference is the wolves don't care if the herd survives or not, just kill and eat what they need; the shepherd will work to ensure the continuance of the herd, that they are cared for, protected, fed, and treated well



Seeker

[The Seeker]

spacemaverick, this will shed a little more light on the "useful idiots"

[fansongecho]

@Seeker, can you please ping me the article you have highlighted above sometime please bud?

[zorgon]

There are basically 3 types to deal with at this time; sheep, wolves, and shepherds, and a good shepherd tries to not only guide the herd but to care for them and protect them from harm

I think I posted 'somewhere' the Laws of Sheep

MOST people are SHEEP

It is a true, undeniable and provable FACT that Humans are a herd animal and instinctively have a need to follow a leader...  You can deny it all you like but it is true.  Religion knows this well "The Lord is THY Shepherd, thou shall not want..." and they have been maintaining their flocks of loyal Sheep since Jesus was called the lamb

Take away the Government and the vast majority will soon turn to look for another leader. be it a religion, or a cult, or the local gang.

All you need is a smooth talker and you can collect a herd of Sheep in no time...

So the problem is not with the Sheep... but with BAD SHEPHERDS.   get rid of the bad shepherds and put in some good ones that actually care about their Sheep and don't just want to FLEECE them so they can make a new coat or have the occasional leg of Mutton.

If you want to be a GOOD Shepherd you most certainly need to include bias in your presentation...  The Sheep need direction in a positive way... because the nature of Sheep is to be lazy and if left to their own devices they will mostly choose the wrong path that leads to the easier Dark Side.

If you try to educate the sheep and "open their minds" or 'wake them up" as I hear used so (usually by someone who really doesn't have a clue themselves ) all you will do is create chaos and have a whole bunch of Sheep running around lost and confused (what I see happening today)

The Sheep NEED a Shepherd   so focus on getting good shepherds in place.

There are also the DOGS

Do not forget the DOGS. They nip at the feet of the Sheep and bark orders... These are the Police that keep "order" and make sure the Sheep don't run around wild. These are the people that keep the Sheep in line, don't let them wander off. Most Dogs are not very nice and you get the TSA and DHS mentality that is convinced THEIR WAY is the only way and you better OBEY or face the consequences... 

Ever wonder why the Military uses DOG TAGS to ID their troops? 

Then there are the WOLVES

These are the people that have learned that most people ARE Sheep and are easily manipulated...  And they use this knowledge for their own gain. They don't care about the Sheep.  These are the Money Lenders and the Ad Agencies praying on the weak minds of the Sheep

Then there are the Rams

Their only purpose in life is to screw all the Sheep

and finally, there are the BLACK SHEEP

These are the few that have 'awoken' and figured it all out, and refuse to move with the pack...



So the QUESTION is...

Which category do YOU fit into? 

[petrus4]

I think the wall is stupid, personally.  Not because I disagree with controlling immigration, but because in an age when we have both planes, and ships to the extent that we do, a purely land-based barrier is going to be extremely ineffective.

I've also definitively realised that I don't like Trump.  He may or may not be good for the country, in terms of what he is doing on a practical level; but he is also a barbaric, arrogant Godfather who thinks that he should be able to unquestioningly rule the planet, purely because of who he is.  He has the type of personality that is reflexively going to cause a lot of people to want to resist him, if for no other reason than to attempt to give him an object lesson in humility.  I know the Democrats are determined to resist him at every point because he isn't one of their own, but his own personality doesn't help.

I'm sick of both the Left and the Right doing stupid things which aren't going to accomplish anything other than make the other side hate them more, lately.  The recent Gillette ad is a good example; it was pointless, condescending baiting of conservatives that predictably wasn't going to do anything other than generate noise. 

Contemporary feminists are apparently so completely consumed with hate and self-righteousness that they've abandoned any semblance of tactical subtlety or good sense.  A basic principle is to avoid taking actions which give your enemy further cause to believe that their existing ideology is justified; and with the Gillette ad, that's exactly what these feminists have done.  Men who were previously moderate have now become polarised.

Both sides need to get rid of the idea that their own supposed moral superiority entitles them to just blindly tell the other side what to do, without any need for empathy or diplomacy whatsoever.  We need to get rid of the idea that someone has horns and a tail purely because they don't think in exactly the same way we do.

Whatever happened to actual statecraft?  What happened to the idea that someone is not automatically a monster simply because their background is different?  When did we accept the idea that compassion supposedly requires the dehumanisation of people who do not hold our own values?

To me, the most valuable thing about people like Gandhi, was not necessarily his pacifism in and of itself, as much as the idea that he was aware that expressing compassion himself, was not dependent on the way anyone else behaved.  He had good intentions towards others, because he had made a choice to do so, regardless of how said others themselves behaved.

For the most part, as a society, we've lost that idea.

[ArMaP]

......Gotta teach those sheep so they do better on there own.   

Sheep get safety from numbers, so they prefer to have one of them showing them where to go and join in groups that follow a specific leader, either chosen by them or that just presented themselves as such.

Modern human societies do the same, either with elections to choose who they will follow or with someone (or some group) presenting themselves as leaders and forcing their ideas onto society.

[ArMaP]

the difference is the wolves don't care if the herd survives or not, just kill and eat what they need; the shepherd will work to ensure the continuance of the herd, that they are cared for, protected, fed, and treated well

But the sheep's destiny is the same, the difference being that the wolves act to get what they want at the time, while shepherds act thinking about the future. With a shepherd the sheep may have a better life, but their end is the same.

[micjer]

@Petrus...

Well said.  I am in agreement with your post.


The world is so full of hate right now.