Noah's Flood - Fact or Fiction?

[The Matrix Traveller]

matrix,

you asked me who i thought jesus was. 

well that's asking a huge question but i'll try to condense it down to:

1. enki, also known as ea
2. later, the son of cleopatra, known by his roman name, caesarian.
3. the second adam (et.al, the second atum)
4. god the creator of the human body, in a human body, or in sumerian-akkadian terminology, he was the second most important of the anunnaki, one of two sons of anu.

he has a few more in there but it would take pages for me to explain it. and to list them all off.

here he is

You are entitled to your interpretations and Beliefs.

And I have a right to mine.

Just leave it that...       

[undo11]

If you are going to be Truthful, please tell the TRUTH.

It sounds Like you are bias to any other persons suggestions other than your own

As for me, I can ONLY report what I have seen & Heard.

As I said, I once respected your views but now I am finding that increasingly difficult,
which is rather sad.

I offered you an "Olive Branch", ubdo11, but you trampled it under foot.

It doesn't really matter as I an Nothing.

I extended an Invite to you, but in return I received Slander from you.

I am a truthful person, and if you are going to accuse me of anything, then please at least tell the TRUTH.

You wrote Quote;

Now this is plain Plainly UNTRUE undo11.

I have never said anything like this to you.

I took it you were Truthful, but now I am forced to reconsider this.   

good! you should also be forced to reconsider when some entities come to you and say "eh, none of that stuff is true!" well, it takes a great deal to prove that since we have huge piles of archaeological evidence for the authenticity of ancient texts all over the world and increasing evidence for the authenticity of what they say inside them.  so how can you suggest or accept the notion, that they were just make believe? 

i'm not gonna go back and quote ya   cause then we get in a quoting match.  no need for that.   but if you want me to, i will.  you only get this one chance to boss me around, and then, poof.

[undo11]

You are entitled to your interpretations and Beliefs.

And I have a right to mine.

of course you do! no one is arguing that.  but i just begged to differ on the idea that the old texts were fiction.  and THAT is what caused this conversation.. 

[undo11]

if anyone watched those movies, bear in mind that i don't believe they are completely accurate, but i do believe they fill in alot of gaping holes, quite nicely.  it makes total sense to me that Enki would feel it his duty to make amends for his human creations, which enlil and some of the other anunnaki, were not remotely fond of.

it also fits in nicely with the egyptian clues i had been following, such as the "rod and staff" of jehovah,  being the biblical equivalent of the egyptian crook and flail.  the more i read and learned, the more i realized the egyptian pharaohs were alot more than we have been lead to believe and that the virgin birth concept was a reference to a woman being artificially inseminated and then artificially delivered. in other words, she didn't have sex because it wasn't necessary to impregnant her.  this suggests the egyptian pharaonic line, even as late as jesus' time frame, were high tech, in fact, i theorize those bones in their tombs, aren't THEIR bones

[The Matrix Traveller]

Hi undo11,

but i just begged to differ on the idea that the old texts were fiction.  and THAT is what caused this conversation..

Clarify Please.

[Littleenki]

if anyone watched those movies, bear in mind that i don't believe they are completely accurate, but i do believe they fill in alot of gaping holes, quite nicely.  it makes total sense to me that Enki would feel it his duty to make amends for his human creations, which enlil and some of the other anunnaki, were not remotely fond of.

it also fits in nicely with the egyptian clues i had been following, such as the "rod and staff" of jehovah,  being the biblical equivalent of the egyptian crook and flail.  the more i read and learned, the more i realized the egyptian pharaohs were alot more than we have been lead to believe and that the virgin birth concept was a reference to a woman being artificially inseminated and then artificially delivered. in other words, she didn't have sex because it wasn't necessary to impregnant her.  this suggests the egyptian pharaonic line, even as late as jesus' time frame, were high tech, in fact, i theorize those bones in their tombs, aren't THEIR bones

Cool subject here, Undo, and trust me Im going to read up more on my namesake this week, as you have picqued my interest with the Stargate/Sumer connection.

I truly am sorry to never have visited your part of the forum, and am glad I did now.

In addition, has anyone ever pondered the possibility of the first few dynastic pharoahs being the
early Sumerian nomads who migrated southwestward into Egypt after the flood event?
And if those Sumerians were possessning stargate tech, did they reset it up in Giza?
Hmmmm. more food for thought. And as Littleenki, I have a responsibility to know this stuff, dont I? LOL!
Oh, and check my new avatar....much more appropriate than me standing in front of the Max Planck lab in Jupiter, Fl....hehehe!
It's quanta better than the old one(pun intended)
Cheers!
Littleenki

[undo11]

Cool subject here, Undo, and trust me Im going to read up more on my namesake this week, as you have picqued my interest with the Stargate/Sumer connection.

I truly am sorry to never have visited your part of the forum, and am glad I did now.

In addition, has anyone ever pondered the possibility of the first few dynastic pharoahs being the
early Sumerian nomads who migrated southwestward into Egypt after the flood event?
And if those Sumerians were possessning stargate tech, did they reset it up in Giza?
Hmmmm. more food for thought. And as Littleenki, I have a responsibility to know this stuff, dont I? LOL!
Oh, and check my new avatar....much more appropriate than me standing in front of the Max Planck lab in Jupiter, Fl....hehehe!
It's quanta better than the old one(pun intended)
Cheers!
Littleenki

abydos, egypt, site of the subterranean temple known as the osirieon, is a big player in that.

and get this:
abydos is the greek spelling.  the egyptian spelling is abdju.  the "dj" in abdju is pronounced "z", like djoser is pronounced "zoser"

so abydos=abdju=abzu. 

i can't take credit for that discovery however.  david rohl was the egyptologist that discovered there were aLOT of early mesopotamian artifacts at abydos.  and discovered various etymology clues, such as that.  another author, named peter goodgame, wrote it down as well in a book called "the giza discovery." 

[Captain Dave]

MMMM HMMM !!! Wow, I love it.

There are so many pieces to the puzzle, but there is a point where there are no more pieces, and the puzzle is complete. It seems like over time and by so many actions that the pieces have been thrown all over the place!

People sometimes have a piece just laying around inside their head and they don't even know it. Which makes it difficult for those actively trying to fit it all together.

I know the Masons, Illuminatti and Church have hidden many things from the people over thousands of years. I suspect with some excuse that they are protecting us - but in many cases I believe it is simply to maintain power over us and protect their secrets. What part of the truth do they have?

The tombs and bones of kings have been desecrated at temples by different groups (even thousands of years ago) and then piled together - losing the ability to identify them. Were they covering up what might be DNA evidence someday?

So many things quite purposely done to throw anyone off the trail of the Truth.

Perhaps in their ceremonies they have tapped into some type of remote viewing and been sending info back and forth through time?

I believe the Chinese sit on lands containing tombs and artifacts from ancient relatives - not their own.

Had the Pharaohs tapped into something natural but unknown to others that gave them abilities that others didn't understand?

It seems the picture is not a simple one. So many perspectives, each carrying part of the truth.

[undo11]

Hi undo11,

Clarify Please.

hmm, seems i jumped the gun on this one! when i read it originally, it said "danger will robinson, danger!"


it was just a brief comment here

At present we are approaching a "Node" or "Peak" in the Thermal Cycle where the Change takes place,
referred to in some of the Ancient writings now incorrectly treated as religious writings by many.

i read the last part: "incorrectly treated as religious writings " as "incorrect religious writings." lol 

now it could be argued that what we call religious writings are in fact, just their historical texts and we have took to calling them "religious" because they deal with "hypernatural" phenomenon (something i've proposed to a limited degree, but not entirely).

  to me, the old texts are windows into the past about the lifestyles of those ancient people, their royals, the extent of their knowledge they were willing to reveal and the little bread crumb trails they have left scattered about that verify the data as being indeed, hyper- or super-natural.   i don't view such data as fictitious since most of it can be done with science today. and since the laws of science were theoretically the same then as they are now, it's not hard to connect the dots once you come to grips with it in the first place.

that's not to say that the "miraculous" didn't happen, but rather it not only happened, it happened as a result of advanced scientific knowledge, many millenia in advance of human knowledge.  it seems to also contain hyperdimensional or other dimensional info, so i don't think it is all mundane information.

[Captain Dave]

It was mentioned earlier that if the planet sustained an impact and the rotation of the planet slowed, that gravity would lessen and that the inhabitants would gain height/mass...

I believe there have been tombs found around the World with what appear to be giant humans in them?

By the same token, another impact causing the planet to speed up might cause the inhabitants to get shorter over time? lol

What an interesting puzzle... If only we could put all the pieces together.

[undo11]

It was mentioned earlier that if the planet sustained and impact and the rotation of the planet slowed, that gravity would lessen and that the inhabitants would gain height/mass...

I believe there have been tombs found around the World with what appear to be giant humans in them?

there's a great deal of argument about that.  i can list a few here:

1.  the average height of a human for 1000s of years, was about 4ft 6" in.  as a result, anyone significantly taller, such as basketball player height, would be viewed as a giant.  og, the king of bashan, for example, was listed in the old testament at around 10ft tall.

2.  there are mutations and diseases related to great height.  they are considered diseases today because the gravity we experience is too much for an extremely tall person's heart to keep pumping such huge volumes of blood up and down such a large surface area, for many decades.  at one time, this may not have been so, particularly if you read the work of the gentleman who says the planet (and all planets/moons) grow, and on a smaller planet, the gravity would be much less, resulting in the ability for larger framed lifeforms to exist undeterred.  think dinosaurs. he says dinosaurs would not be able to survive today, as their great mass in our current gravity due to the growth of the planet, would cause them to topple over and be unable to get up).

3. the argument is put forth that depictions of large humans such as depictions of pharaohs being exceedingly large, was just an artistic way of showing authority/power, over their subjects.  the counter argument of this are the nephilim references, suggesting the ruling class of the time was not entirely human, and as a result not subject to the same weaknesses.  also the singular word for nephilim (nephal - feller), translates to "giant" in several old texts.

4. there's one last argument i forgot to mention:  when dinosaur bones began to be unearthed, the people who found them thought they must be the bones of the giants referred to in ancient texts.  this may account for "some" or "all" such finds. who knows?  i mean, it's not that hard to imagine a tall sentient species co-existing with a tall dinosaur species.

[Captain Dave]

Just sitting here on my little boat, smile on my face, thinking WOW... 

[Littleenki]

Just sitting here on my little boat, smile on my face, thinking WOW... 

Hehehe! Capn Dave, a bewildered day on the little boat is better than a productive day at work!
And yes, it's 5 oclock somewhere....the Azores!
Littleenki

[undo11]

am i not making sense?  this is possible!  i have times when i go back and read what i wrote and realize i should've proof read it first before pushing the button.  i keep telling ya folks i have a.d.d.  hehe!

well actually, adhd.

[Captain Dave]

am i not making sense?  this is possible!  i have times when i go back and read what i wrote and realize i should've proof read it first before pushing the button.  i keep telling ya folks i have a.d.d.  hehe!

well actually, adhd.

Highly Probable, bordering on factual... I guess depending on which documentation and archeological evidence you have access to. 

Would love to have a museum that puts it all together.


Matrix-
As to the "other side" of things... I know where the door(s) are, I have a key... But I'm liking the whole "flesh/ body" experience... It's warm & laid back and I see no reason to give it up until absolutely necessary. 
( besides, I have yet to own a small bar on a tropical Island )