Videos dealing with Corona Virus

[ArMaP]

"We Sent Them Samples Of A Goat, A Papaya & A Pheasant": Tanzanian President Catches WHO In Epic Lie https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-sent-them-samples-goat-papaya-pheasant-tanzanian-president-catches-who-epic-lie

Does the WHO test samples sent by countries? I never heard about it.

[astr0144]

In ref to the Corona Virus,

Appologies if I upset the thread E113 / SpaceMav.  (I now realise you started the thread ! )

and maybe not sure what to write from now on..

I dont really understand on some things that some of the Conspiracist may say is that much of a concern..
as only the likes of them over alterative views or facts..
and I some of the facts they give are often valid and worth checking out.

They point many past facts from other similar viruses and how these so called experts had made their predications
or what they suggested  were needed to do... and nearly in every case they have proven wrong.

On a TV popular program this morning... in the UK.... where they have amain top Doctor advsor... who said there has only ever been one Virus completely eradicated   thru out .history.. I think he may had said Small pox..

this link gives one  more  (Rinderpest ) or ones that have almost been eradiacted..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_infectious_diseases

this one ask you to accpt cookies.. but you can read some parts without doing so..if you scroll.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/infectious-diseases-that-have-been-globally-eradicated.html

So generally do vaccines work ?

However

I may be wrong it hard to find many alternative views other that the likes of A.Jones or David Icke.
and what they are saying now is challenging what we are being told by the media.

They now make a lot of claims to suggest the whole thing has been B.S...in terms of its suggested seriousness.
Thats not to say some sort of CV19 may exist..

and that a lot of the people being included in the figures given to us include death rates from other means...

The UK is still allowing people to come into the Country from all over yet most other countries are having isolation periods or at least some sort of checks on anyone entering their country. even if its just peoples  temperature.

It was suggested that Japan prevented early on anyone entering their country and have much larger population than the Uk... maybe about 130 Million...and ony has about 700 deaths in total.. V over 32,000 deaths  in the U.K that has a population of 66 million. (Its also suggested if they include carehome deaths in the UK that total is over 50,000 deaths )

I think a large majority of others Countries leaders have a lot to answer for if it is a geniune serious virus

JAPAN CV19

Updated 14 May at 13:07 local
Confirmed
16,103
+54
Deaths  =  696
+18
Recovered
9,868
+948


https://inews.co.uk/news/coronavirus-japan-deaths-cases-covid-19-lockdown-measures-why-measures-2521139

The Uk now has slacked off in quite a lot of ways... and the worry now if still if the  threat is still existing..
that there could  be a stage 2 occurring soon.

David Icke is saying that he has had many Nurses and Drs contacting him saying people are being killed diliberately
who dont have any virus and that Many Drs or those who in relevant positions who query or know whats going on or question to the media or Policitions are being silienced or cencered...and that and that most of the law / Police are having to go along with being hussed up ..or act in ways that they are disaproving of.


If its true about Bill Gates and his Vaccines... where they also say he has another type of new vaccine that does not need injecting... it is utterly very very disturbing..

The media / internet main companies like FB, Google etc are now managing to block many things that is is attempted to be posted or reported on it.

On a Negaitive Concern about Alex Jones..

He just posted some videos to do with Project Bluebeam and an Alien Invasion along interviewing Dr Steven Greer.
That is rather concerning for his Credibility !

Although if everything he claims is true... that they  also maybe going to try to deceive us all with that as well...

I think some people are getting discouraged as this topic is completely off the rails. 5G and AJ conpiricies should move to a new thred to allow for this one to continue discussions around the virus.

[ArMaP]

So generally do vaccines work ?

They do. Although only one human virus has been eradicated, the percentage of people catching diseases for which there are vaccines has been reduced.

I may be wrong it hard to find many alternative views other that the likes of A.Jones or David Icke.
and what they are saying now is challenging what we are being told by the media.

The problem is that some people like to contradict the official version, regardless of it being false or not, just so they can be on the opposite side.

They now make a lot of claims to suggest the whole thing has been B.S...in terms of its suggested seriousness.
Thats not to say some sort of CV19 may exist..

and that a lot of the people being included in the figures given to us include death rates from other means...

That may happen in some cases, but in Portugal all suspect cases are tested to see if they were infected or not. Also, in some cases (like the Portuguese version of Euronews) they specifically say "CoViD-19 related deaths", they do not say that people died from it, many times people die from other diseases they already had and that got stronger (or their defences got weaker) because of CoViD-19.

The UK is still allowing people to come into the Country from all over yet most other countries are having isolation periods or at least some sort of checks on anyone entering their country. even if its just peoples  temperature.

That was the biggest error Portugal made, we took too long to close the borders.
I know a Portuguese lawyer that married an Italian man, and as she still has some pending cases in Portugal she comes back every month or so. The last time she came to Portugal was at the beginning of March, and she said that at the airport nobody asked her a thing, they just let her enter without any problems, and she was coming from the most affected area in Italy.
The first cases Portugal had were people that came back from Italy and Spain and that spread the disease to the people close to them.

The Uk now has slacked off in quite a lot of ways... and the worry now if still if the  threat is still existing..
that there could  be a stage 2 occurring soon.

I have heard some people talking about a stage 2, but I think they are mostly referring to the people that didn't caught in in stage 1 getting it now.

David Icke is saying that he has had many Nurses and Drs contacting him saying people are being killed diliberately
who dont have any virus and that Many Drs or those who in relevant positions who query or know whats going on or question to the media or Policitions are being silienced or cencered...and that and that most of the law / Police are having to go along with being hussed up ..or act in ways that they are disaproving of.

Do you really believe that doctors and nurses are working all those hours to kill people and say nothing about it?

If its true about Bill Gates and his Vaccines... where they also say he has another type of new vaccine that does not need injecting... it is utterly very very disturbing..

Not all vaccines need to be injected, the polio vaccine is put on the mouth, if I'm not mistaken.

[astr0144]

I would find it hard to believe ArMaP.

David Icke is saying some Drs have been saying about it... and I also said they he had said some things are being covered up....

but I admitt its hard to imagine how they could silence so many Staff.

But I find many things very hard to believe.. that seem to have been true..

so Im not sure that this could have some truths to it..
but at the moment Its this Bill Gates theory that does make me question it..

I mean equally how could Jones put such a or his reputation to be purely lying.. esp when he has seemed to connected with Donald Trump... or has been ...I equally  just dont buy it.. and as I have said before... He has convinced me to consider several things thru folowing him that I have yet  to be seen disproved.

I will be certainly be questioning him and his credibility  if Trump does NOT investigate Bill Gates as he has said
so I will await to see if does in the near future...

I will admitt to one main thing that concerned me about one of Jones pedictions when he was making such claims about the Clintons... and Hillary... where he was saying about her getting arrested if trump won the election..

and when he did... Trump also made ref to this.... BUT... as far as I am aware he did or has not as yet acted on it..

so things like that do leave some questionings about both AJ and DT  !

Not everything he says is right and yes he may be a bit a snake salesman...
but he could be doing a lot worse things.. and if he is legit , he would have to be a entrepneur to make a living and fund himself somehow.

He certainly seems to have incredible talking energy...

No doubt if he was BS to such a scale.. you would wonder why or how he is still around..

and if he is some sort of plant for whoever... which is possible...  then we could also ask need he be saying anything..
and why not shut up  on certain things he brings to our attention..

either way what ever of the two scenerios... they both are quite extreme.
and I believe I have seen well enough corruption in numerous things that as I say have been very hard to believe..
but maybe seem less so as we get older...

If However Alex Jones was discrediting Bill Gates and his Vaccines for some reasons to say try convince the public not to accept them... and say in reality Bill Gates is honest and right in what he may claim...

Then WHY would Jones be doing that to his followers.... who may die if dont take the vaccine if the virus really is a main threat as we had been told ..

I dont think he does what he does just for money.. I think he does it as he believe he trying to do justice to help prevent severe corruption for his family and others and his Country and humanity...which I think majority of decent people would consider.

Although he claimed in a video today that he was offered so many million to go against Trump in the Election.
in he says he declined...

but the reality is I dont think we will ever really know one way or another if he has good or bad intentions in relation
to the likes of the public..

Its hard to say if AJ has faked some of his Bill Gates videos... but if not he does show quite a few egs where Gates seems to be saying some rather weird and questionable things...that seem rather concerning..

Jones and PJ Watson /  David Icke  also however does discuss certain people in the UK who are classed as main Scientist , Doctors and experts / Policitions.. and has given several egs how their past claims have been horrendous..
and yet they are still in their jobs... if hes right you wonder how these people are still employed..

I can only imagine as they are puppets for whoever when lying and  in mosts cases the public do not question them  or understand or know any better or fear to question them ..

and usually they are experts at lying and covering up..

and the system is hard for even honest trusted experts to go up against it...and they have to question risking doing it.
as they can be made to look the fool if those opposing twist the facts...

I believe we see this a lot in many areas of life.. esp in Politics and big business etc...

Do you really believe that doctors and nurses are working all those hours to kill people and say nothing about it?

[ArMaP]

No doubt if he was BS to such a scale.. you would wonder why or how he is still around..

Because BS is not illegal.

and if he is some sort of plant for whoever... which is possible...  then we could also ask need he be saying anything..
and why not shut up  on certain things he brings to our attention..

If he is some sort of plant for whoever then you can be sure that what he does is positive for their side.
I'm more inclined for him being just a shady businessman that is running is business in the best way he sees ti get more money.

Then WHY would Jones be doing that to his followers.... who may die if dont take the vaccine if the virus realy is a main threat ..

Money.

I dont think he does what he does just for money.. I think he does it as he believe he trying to do justice to help prevent severe corruption for his family and others and his Country and humanity...which I think majority of decent people would consider.

Someone that lives from his viewers fears is not to be trusted.

but the reality is I dont think we will ever really know one way or another if he has good or bad intentions in relation
to the likes of the public..

That's true, he is the only one that knows what's behind the scenes.

[astr0144]

I decided to take a look at some statistics from the UK and in local area into Hospital death rates.
just as an initial brief excercise..

I found one webpage that gives some Hospital deaths data back from 2011.

for some reason not all main hospitals in my area are listed..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15897345

there a ref that may suggest that there is 148 listed but I cannot not be bother to count..but it seems over 100.
eg

An article below says that there was 168 NHS Hospitals around the UK back in 2010

148 rows · 28/11/2011 · After adjustment, some hospitals still have higher than expected death ...

    NHS ACUTE TRUST   IN HOSPITAL +30 D...   IN HOSPITAL (HSMR)   LOW-RISK CONDITI...
    Aintree University Ho...   111   89   1.32
    Airedale NHS Found...   93   84   0.64
    Ashford and St Peter'...   91   102   0.68


During a 30 day period it seems that on an average out several hospitals around the Country that the average death rates for each seems between 70 to 100 / 120 per hospital

I managed also to find some article for death rates in about 10 hospitals in my area since the Corona virus.

and so far the highest one shows about 400 deaths..
but most of the 9 others  seems around 200 or lower... this was dated0 for 14th May 2020 and these figures are since the virus arrived... and what I think is maybe even for 60 to 90 days... and not just the last 30 days..

so a 400 death rate shown at the highest death rate hospital in my area... could be 200  to 133 or less a month

So If the Hospitals were faking it..or not

then are these figures greatly different from normal death rates

for some reason the two or 3 hospitals closer to my area do not seem to be publishing any information of their death rates.. or CoV 19 ones...and I suspect this applys to most hospitals in the UK..

but somehow the article that I came across the reported must have obtained the data from somewhere.

So even if there was an average of 200 deaths over a month (30 days).. thats about 6 deaths a day.

if it was averaging at 100 deaths .. that could be about 3 a day on average..
that maybe a normal death rate in hospital anyway... or maybe double if others on average are added.

Is that a lot to cover up if they place someone in charge to see the patients off...

The data does not show how many cases that there maybe.. or what % of cases Verses deaths in hospital over  the periods.

I do agree however it does seem hard that they would place so many persons for each hospital if they were doing this diliberatly..

but you really never know... as who ever may employ them... could have a list of hidden secret killers..
and would a 150 or so be that many for a large organisation who may do such things.

I certainly could imagine such organisations could exist. other than just  M16..

This shows some data from the UK back in March..

where it says there was about 3912 deaths in the UK

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinmarch2020

    There were 3,912 deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) that occurred in March 2020 in England and Wales; of these, 3,372 (86%) had COVID-19 assigned as the underlying cause of death

If back then you divided the 3912 deaths  for the month by say 148 hospitals (but there are more not listed)

thats about 26 per hospital...over 30 days less than 1 a day per hospital

since then we have had April which we are led to believe was much worse...and we are now into mid May.

I cannot find a figure for April that is shown on a quick search that is made obvious

but this offers some info but it seems you have to download each days files..which im no prepared to do.

unless someone else can out this data ..

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Found this in ref to upto around mid April



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8225185/Was-coronavirus-deaths-peak-WEEK-ago-Figures-suggest-April-8-lethal-day.html


so we went from about 3912 cases in March to 12800 cases by Mid April ... 2 weeks later.

about 8900 more cases in 2 weeks


so what is 12800 / 150 hospitals = 85 deaths per hospital since the start of the virus

over say last 30 days that could be about 3 deaths a day .

or maybe we could take the extra 8900 cases over that 2 week period...

divide by 148 hospitals....  8900 / 148 = about 60 per hospital  then divide say by 15 days.. thats about 4 a day more
per hospital..

but the figures since the start of the virus could be a lot less.

A Month later for May 15th... the figures have now reached 33,000 in total.

so if we take 33,000 and divide by 148 hospitals since say Jan 15th... aabout 3 months ago.

33000 / 148 = 223 per hospital over 3 months.. averaging about 75 a month

75 / 30 days = average about  2.5 deaths a day based on just 148 hospitals... of which we know there are several more.

How many Hospitals in the UK

admittedly there are various different types of hospitals... that only a certain ammount deal with Corona Virus.

The actual number, correct as at September 2019, is that there are 1,257 hospitals in the UK. This number includes the NHS Trust-managed hospitals and the additional private hospitals that are currently in use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hospitals_in_England


This was from 2014...just for NHS Hospitals

it seems that they have been reduced down quite a lot..

from 2300 or more if inc non NHS ones... to the 1257 that was suggested in the info above


How many NHS hospitals are there in the UK?  (in 2014)

= 2300

There are currently 2300 NHS hospitals in the UK.  Statistics show that in 2012 the NHS employed 146,075 doctors, 369,868 qualified nursing staff, and 37,314 managers.  This signifies that the number of doctors employed by the NHS has increased by an annual average of 3.4 per cent since 2002.  It is interesting to know that there were 34,006 more NHS nurses in 2012 compared to ten years earlier.  Needless to say, between 2002 and 2012 the NHS recruited 5,020 additional managers, an average annual increase of 1.5 per cent.

http://infomory.com/numbers/number-of-nhs-hospitals-in-the-uk/

Many people wonder how many hospitals there are in the UK. Some websites state the answer is 168, but this is far from the real picture. The "168" was merely the number of NHS England Trusts in 2010.

Many people wonder how many hospitals there are in the UK. Some websites state the answer is 168, but this is far from the real picture. The "168" was merely the number of NHS England Trusts in 2010. A trust typically manages many hospitals, therefore the number of hospitals is much larger. The eagle-eyed will also spot that the 168 represented NHS England, and of course the UK isn't just England. In addition to this, not all private hospitals are managed by NHS Trusts.

The actual number, correct as at September 2019, is that there are 1,257 hospitals in the UK. This number includes the NHS Trust-managed hospitals and the additional private hospitals that are currently in use. As of April 2020, there are also 5 temporary Nightingale Hospitals being set up in London, Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester and Harrogate to provide more beds for Coronavirus patients – however, these will close once the pandemic is under control and the additional space is no longer required.

https://www.interweavetextiles.com/how-many-hospitals-uk/

[kevin]

astr0144,

There may or may not be more or less deaths than normal, and I doubt that the vast majority of those working in hospitals are not doing their best to care for their patients in extreme conditions.

What I do doubt is what is causing the condition they are trying to treat .


This is a link to one of My most respected observers of nature.


https://www.water-for-health.co.uk/our-blog/2020/03/viktor-schauberger-living-water-and-lessons-from-nature/

If You look at the report cards at the bottom of hospital beds and see ..nil by mouth...it is basically the end of life due to no water.

Water carries life enabling properties, and 60 ghz is reducing this.

Look carefully at hospitals, observe the cell towers in them.


Kevin

[astr0144]

I am not doubting that the hospital staff are not pulled ou and working extremely hard..

and there could be some geniune virus or something that is effecting patients...

All I was trying to do was explain some other facts that may give better idea how many deaths maybe actually occurring on average per day..

In ref to what you say about Water and mobile or Micowave  Masts...

and what maybe seem as many end of Lifes due to lack of water... in ref to your theory.

that could possibly account for such things.

One of my relatives passed away due to what you describe..due to severe dehyration... and ended up geting an infection known as Sepstis which has recently seemed to become all of a sudden made more aware in the news...prior to that I had never heard of it..  she then ended up with weak bladder and weeing a lot..

The person unfortunatley had ended up with some mental issues and the home where she had been, stopped visitors who used to keep an eye on her and ensure she was drinking ok on knowing about her bladder issue..

when she was taken to hospital and we were told shes was severely dehydrated ..

The home could only do so much for her... but at the same time because they stopped visitors by involving social services... who made such a decision... they would not allow her visitors... and she soon ended up dying.

As one of the regular Its hard not to blame their decision..or the home...
but they said that they had to take action as the person had made some comments one of her bad days..
and they partially suggested that one of her visiters was coming too much... but they severely reduced visits to see her.

on occasions when we did.. we often found her very thirsty as if they had not given her much or enough to drink.
on one occasion I ended up offering her 3 drinks which she drank it all...

she later died in hospital and I beieve she was allowed to die.. it was very sad !

I will have to check if there was such micowave masts involved.

astr0144,

There may or may not be more or less deaths than normal, and I doubt that the vast majority of those working in hospitals are not doing their best to care for their patients in extreme conditions.

What I do doubt is what is causing the condition they are trying to treat .


This is a link to one of My most respected observers of nature.


https://www.water-for-health.co.uk/our-blog/2020/03/viktor-schauberger-living-water-and-lessons-from-nature/

If You look at the report cards at the bottom of hospital beds and see ..nil by mouth...it is basically the end of life due to no water.

Water carries life enabling properties, and 60 ghz is reducing this.

Look carefully at hospitals, observe the cell towers in them.


Kevin

[astr0144]

LONDON FALLING London coronavirus cases fall to just 24 a day with predictions it could be wiped out from capital in a fortnight.

Look what they are saying now about London ?

Are they speaking far too soon...?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11627400/london-coronavirus-cases-virus-wiped-out/

[kevin]

I am fully expecting a massive return of the CONDITION.
The change of the chevrons from red to green signalled their excuse.

They will say they protected everyone whilst in a strict lockdown, but it will be our fault, not theirs when the condition returns.

This is all a PLAN DEMIC and very intelligent planning ahead is involved.

Kevin

[astr0144]

I will be very surprised if all of a sudden things remain on green and recover without some other major issue or reversal again..

They may now be boosting the stock market .../ economy ..
but change its direction again in a few months time.

but I still think that they are playing very games with us !

How things can seem to change from one day to the next in sentment../ opinion.

I am fully expecting a massive return of the CONDITION.
The change of the chevrons from red to green signalled their excuse.

They will say they protected everyone whilst in a strict lockdown, but it will be our fault, not theirs when the condition returns.

This is all a PLAN DEMIC and very intelligent planning ahead is involved.

Kevin

[astr0144]

Alex Jones Warns Trump Against Forced COVID-19 Vaccinations.

bad news for those who oppose  forced   vaccines or chipping.

On listening to a new Alex Jones video... A.J is saying that President Trump is at the moment agreeing to go along with Vaccinations and Bil Gates ....

and says he is trying to educate him to not do so.

I thought that he would had done this alredy in the past if he had in his earlier days been in contact with Trump..

So NOW I am confused...

the other day he was saying Trump was going after or to question  Bill Gates ..

unless its a ploy he is going along with for some reason for now..

Either that or Jones is wrong ! or to be distrusted..
But I do not want to see forced vaccinations or microchipping everyone..

and would still severely question Trump and Gates on that if they are really planning it.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5ebde730244ac5001d26aad0

[ArMaP]

astr0144, great work with those statistics.

[ArMaP]

LONDON FALLING London coronavirus cases fall to just 24 a day with predictions it could be wiped out from capital in a fortnight.

From what I have seen I wouldn't be surprised if the next day the numbers grow again. Looking at the charts for whole countries those variations disappear, but at least here in Portugal (a smaller country) they are clear, as you can see below.



PS: yes, the chart goes below zero, that day they found out that several cases were reported twice. It was the second time that happened.

[astr0144]

Thank you for your appreciation.
I know you like to statistics..

but I am not sure how you may view them in relation to what I may have been trying suggest or consider..
if for eg... I was still suggesting that maybe overall some of the Cov 19 deaths that we are led to believe
may also include normal other deaths..or of similar number.. that may roughly double the normal exectation.

or maybe for many hospitals other than the larger main city areas... the death rates may not be that high..

and if there was something going on... woud it be that hard for say a couple of hundred selected persons to
kill off some patients if their job was to aid in making the public believe if it was some sort of hoax...
or froms the effects of something like the 5G theory for eg..

The figures are only very approximate to get some sort of idea...

No doubt some of the larger busier hospitals would have a lot more to deal with... and may require more
persons involved.... again if it was being done deliberate.

BUT NOW  seem to possibly have Donald Trump maybe going along with things in the USA... it would hard to think hes in it as well.

astr0144, great work with those statistics.