Electrogravitics – A Simplified Description

[Mikado]

He's Russian. He is doing pretty good so far.

Mikado

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

He is, welcome sarKOY

I would like to hear your thoughts on your countrymen like Podkletnov.

Arc has a point. The mass/charge relationship is very complex & indeed i believe they may be treated as being of 2 different dimensions.

Think of uncharged Mass, charged Mass, and Massless charge......

[Linda Brown]

well, Amici, i wanna see this effect in the kinda vacuum chamber, shielded against Earth magnetic field 

P.S.

Linda, at least, post's number, please. i hella am  not a remote viewer cuz Ancient Bro cruelly did turn my f*King telepathy off 

In rereading your post I finally had the light dawn on me a little. I will be happy to step aside and let you fellows discuss the scientific end of all of this and when I do have a specific question I will point it out clearly. I would not hold your breath if I were you!
I do finally get your inference to Ancient Bro... I told you I could be amazingly dense.... but I understand better now. Thankyou. Mine apparently is still active.

And probably for my own peace of mind I probably will get.....less knowledgeable as time goes on! Intentionally!.

I am so excited about the conversations that are happening here. I don't understand a word you guys are saying but that does not stop me from seeing how important this interaction is for everyone concerned.

Thank you Sarkoy for helping me understand what I am given to understand.   Linda 

[SarK0Y]

Linda, thank ye very much 4 warm words. 

Greater "speed"/velocity results in higher "Impact Energy". But  remember the "particles" are being accelerated by using a strong magnetic field supplied by the superconducting magnetic torus. Each particle is effectively being pumped up to higher energy levels.. hence apparent mass increase.  Their energy is related to the intrinsic relativistic effects.

Arc, a little remark: magnetic field doesn't accelerate particles, it controls radius of beam's orbit.  other moments ain't Nothing, but about Conservation Law. in short, if c-velocity is constant, then additional energy of particle has  to flow into another properties. in the our case, 'tis mass. but the charge still keeps the same. needless to say, EG'd be better off to've clear explanation of this wacky situation Anyway, i'd like to see well-orchestrated experiment, but not torrential hail of theories

Sarkoy, if I may ask?  Is English your mother language or are you translating?
Thanks

Deuem, my Mother lang is Ru, but i no've used automatic translators coz it's hella $hit: they use statistical analysis, but not contextual 

I would like to hear your thoughts on your countrymen like Podkletnov.

AFAIK, Podkletnov's experiment didn't exclude parasitic influences such the Atmosphere & Earth's magnetic field, thereby i can't take his findings so serious.

Arc has a point. The mass/charge relationship is very complex & indeed i believe they may be treated as being of 2 different dimensions.

Think of uncharged Mass, charged Mass, and Massless charge......

real relations of Mass/Charge/Magnetism/... we'll extract with HD - Physics (hd == hyperdimensional).

[arc]

Linda, thank ye very much 4 warm words. 
Arc, a little remark: magnetic field doesn't accelerate particles, it controls radius of beam's orbit.  other moments ain't Nothing, but about Conservation Law.

Yes SarKOY. On re-reading my post I see that my stream of thoughts did not fill in the details between.   When mentioning the magnetic torus I should have stated that the particles "ions" (protons, and heavy nuclei ) are traversing the B field (both dipole and quadrupole) but being accelerated by another additional field supplied by the multiple "kick" sections of the device. 

Anyway, i'd like to see well-orchestrated experiment, but not torrential hail of theories

You are not the only one...   there are others here who agree with your statements



A question for you SarKOY.  Is the TTB effect only an internal effect manifesting within the physical device itself...


arc 

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

sarKOY, Podkletnov did shield (or tried to shield) his experiments, these were done in buildings with thick walls, & in one case underground;

Indirect evidence for a gravitational effect comes from the fact that any kind of
electromagnetic shielding is ineffective. Note that if one can explain in some way the
anomalous generation of a gravitational field in the superconductor, its undisturbed propagation
follows as a well-known property of gravity (see Section 4.2). Indirect support for
the gravitational hypothesis also comes from the partial similarity of this apparatus to that
employed by Podkletnov for the stationary weak gravitational shielding experiment [1].

Given that he admitted a 7% error, his resullts are still fairly conclusive.
Podkletnov also writes;

(a) Weakness of the standard coupling with gravity. Anomalous coupling.
The standard coupling of matter to gravity is obtained from the Einstein equations by
including the material part of the system into the energy-impulse tensor. Since the coupling
constant is G/c4, very large amounts of matter/energy, or at least large densities, are always
necessary in order to obtain gravitational effects of some importance. This holds also at
the quantum level, in weak field approximation. It is possible to quantize the gravitational
field by introducing quantum fluctuations with respect to a classical background, and then
calculate the graviton emission probabilities associated to transitions in atomic systems.
These always turn out to be extremely small, still because of the weakness of the coupling.

What we proved in our cited works is that a peculiar "anomalous" coupling mechanism
exists, between gravity and matter in a macroscopic quantum state. In this state
matter is described by a collective wave function. Also in this state the energy-impulse of
matter couples to the gravitational field in the standard way prescribed by the equivalence
principle. However, the new idea is that besides this standard coupling there is another
effect, due to the interference of the Lagrangian L of coherent matter with the "natural"
vacuum energy term /8G which is present in the Einstein equations. The two quantities
have in fact the same tensorial form but possibly different sign, and it turns out that their
interference can lead to a dramatic enhancement of vacuum fluctuations.

"Vacuum fluctuations" indeed

From what i have read & observed, the T.T.B. gravitor does not show any external forces, although my next experiments will have to allow for this.
Podkletnov's 'gravity wave' is the opposite, it is all external, but he also admits, he used very small masses (10-50 grams) and if he had used a much bigger device against a much bigger mass, he might have seen a 'reaction force' on the device....

Yes, more science & less theory, there will be more experiments...
I will post the 'gravity workshop' thread soon, i promise

[Littleenki]

Good post, PWM, looking forward to that thread!
Le

[dcooper]

PWM does this mean that the gravitator shows no EG force or did you mean something else when you said it shows no extrenal forces -dcooper

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

It showed a force alright it moved.

But i did not notice, nor was i looking for, any external forces like a 'gravity wave'.

I did notice that the sharp field gradient charged almost the entire room, even the earthed parts, so i was forced to connect extra earthing cables from outside. I put this down to ionisation of air etc, even so in previous HV projects the field was much more localised...

The next series will be at higher power & frequency, it will be interesting to see if there is any truth in the reported 'time forwarding' of electrons

ETA: before everyone shouts 'ion wind' i had it enclosed on 3 sides, it weighed 50 grams, and i calculated the power input at about 18 watts.
Ion wind takes time to build up, this effect was instant. There wasn't even the slightest breeze anywhere.

[Mikado]

Podkletnov's 'gravity wave' is the opposite, it is all external, but he also admits, he used very small masses (10-50 grams) and if he had used a much bigger device against a much bigger mass, he might have seen a 'reaction force' on the device....

You must have something wrong. 10 - 50 grams is a measure of weight and not mass.

Could you recheck?

Mikado

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Sorry, i will rephrase;

'Various masses with a weight between 10-50 grams'

[dcooper]

I believe you PWM, I don't think it's Ion wind, can't be -dcooper

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Nor do i
There was no direct ionisation as such, no visible corona, hardly any ozone, and certainly no 'wind'.
I will tape streamers all around the next one, just to make sure

This was a 50g lump of wax, iron oxide, aluminium & it jumped when it recieved a 50Kv pulse. It jumped in the direction of - to + as predicted LOL
Gravitors are not an exact science, the exact role of the dielectric medium is not always clear.
It seems as though the dielectric constant & density of the material are paramount, as is the field gradient.

[deuem]

Nor do i
There was no direct ionisation as such, no visible corona, hardly any ozone, and certainly no 'wind'.
I will tape streamers all around the next one, just to make sure

Hello, I am interested in this. The jump!. If possible, can you contain the jump to a known distance. Exactly. Say 1/2 meter or more. 1 meter would be best. I would like to see just the lift off jump several times and see if we can measure the speed. You have the weight, we need the speed. If you can tape the lift off from the side several times maybe we can catch both ends. Up and stop. How much time for the travel? At least we can get the amount of frame time vs height. Even if you can't post the video, could you post the results?  We might also be able to tell rather it is accelerating or constant. Maybe for that test a longer 2 meters would be better, more frames to work with. If you can't catch that then maybe a test where it goes between two flags is OK. Like arrows on the side. The arrows being the exact distance. Maybe an arrow every 10cm.

I am very fascinated with this work and daydreaming about what can be done with it. I think that we need to prove once and for all if it is the wind. Your tell tale strips would also help. ( streamers ) A smoke test will also show your results. I am off to try and work this out on a video I have. Post when done.

I have been on line trying my best to see if I could find these results. No luck so far. If the aluminum had an airfoil shape, well then that might say something but a strip has zero aerodynamics to play off of hence my reluctance to the Ion flight of wind.

Next test, will it fly sideways. Hey lift is lift? Will it run a horizontal center string or just sit there? IMHO if it is lift it should run the string. If it is another force, say gravity, what would it do, try to turn? But it should just sit there unless the string was going uphill.

Thanks PWM.

Deuem

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Thanks for that reply
But it only jumped a few millimeters

Enough to show the force, to get it to jump 2 metres would mean millions of volts & a much bigger gravitor that could handle it.

However, it's a start, and the next series of experiments will involve high frequencies, which i will attempt to 'tune' to the correct f for that particular dielectric.

I have also thought of simply reproducing these 'cones' and arranging them on a platform, like a flying bed.... a few hundred should provide plenty of lift
More to come....