Undo's Super Gripe

[Linda Brown]

OK Undo.... You and I need to talk because we are wasting valuable time with these little jabs....

that's the thing, linda, i'm not criticizing you. i was defending myself

,( well then dagnabbit..... develop a thicker skin.... Like I am having to do... You are going to do some wonderful things in the future but you are also going to be criticized for it and there won't always be a group of people like those here on the Living Moon to try to make you feel better. They are all going to have their own chores and problems. )

and not even because of anything you said.  you didn't say one thing to set it off.  and it's just a normal reaction as well,

( and I have to tell you now something that you are NOT going to like. Its not a NORMAL reaction for you, There is nothing normal at all that has been happening to you for a long time now,

but you will not see what I have to say on that score....  that you're blowing way out of proportion now.....

.Undo... please listen to me. To have an idea of what is " out of proportion you have to have a solid idea of what  the WHOLE picture actually is.. and you do not.)

it's not unusual to want to defend yourself.,

( look at my posts. Everyone look at my posts. Do I come across as trying to defend myself?) Thats what you see Undo because thats what you yourself recognize.... you cannot see what I am seeing.

and you know that, or you wouldn't be here defending yourself because you think i'm criticizing you.

( I am here trying to get you to understand that there is something operating here amongst us that has the capability to change EVERYONES mood.... I am not talking spiritual warfare here.... I wish that I was. I am talking cold hard science and a program that DOES NOT want this Forum and others like it to gain any power at all. We are dangerous to their very existance.... but if people refuse to see the possibilities then there is nothing more that I or anyone else can do.

You can decide to flip into your defense mode and say that I am out to get you because you are a female Christian. Thats your big fear and someone is using that against you and through you then.... against all of us.

I am not going to get into how I know this right now or what the technology is.... but it is solid and some of it has already been mentioned in open source material. The only protection against it is to realize first that it exists... and learn to see its fingerprints amongst us.

I am asking you Undo.... Please read this carefully. And think a moment before that " knee jerk reaction" takes over. It is not your friend.....You said that when approached by a mob your instinct is to stand and fight. Ok.... Heres your chance.  Linda

[Linda Brown]

"That sounds like a confession"

To you Sky Otter, it would.   Linda

[undo11]

didn't say i would stand and fight.  said defend myself. i don't believe in torches (the part where you kill other people for your beliefs? i  dont believe in that.  i do so on video games, but i don't actually think the other side is bad and i know it isn't actually doing anything to them, other than teaching them new strategies for playing their characters.  i have characters on both sides, cause i like both sides. i like everybody.  lol. well, almost everybody.  for example, i don't like darth vader but i like anakin skywalker (after luke saves him). i don't like the emperor but i like him sometimes when he's not behaving badly.  but those are fictitious characters not real people and whether i like fictitious people or not, has no real impact on them cause they don't exist lol).

far as i know, orcs and elves don't exist. hehe

[undo11]

oh i guess i need to address the technology thing:

granted, tech of the nature you refer to may exist, but it isn't using me to upset the forum.  this topic is just a sensitive issue.  the forum cannot remain free of sensitive issues without curtailing free speech.  like i should be allowed to defend myself without it being edited, and anyone who disagrees, should be allowed to disagree without it being edited. and we should all be able to say what's on our minds without being told our words are not important. 

if i didn't think what you were saying was important, i would've ignored it. i think it's important that you realize that i'm not being controlled by black ops or remote viewing but rather reacting to the very obvious prejudice inherent here and elsewhere, to christianity as a whole.  instead of addressing the actual culprits.  and by culprits i mean the actual person who did the deed.

it's painfully obvious to me when the planet has countless examples of people behaving badly, and only christianity's mistakes are beat to death that the idea is to use it as an excuse to make massive changes to the lives of christians. some of those massive changes appear to have death threats embedded in them.    i don't want to die, hence i ask, can we stop pretending like christians are the only humans on the planet?  or did everyone else become ETs while i wasn't looking?

[Linda Brown]

granted, tech of the nature you refer to may exist, but it isn't using me to upset the forum

How do you know that Undo?

Linda

[undo11]

granted, tech of the nature you refer to may exist, but it isn't using me to upset the forum

How do you know that Undo?

Linda

because every so often, i have this same conversation with people and it never causes the end of the world or the forum. it just helps to elucidate the issue of how people can become so accustomed to criticizing and blaming the local patsy for something, that it leaks over into dangerous prejudice.

[Linda Brown]

Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter.  Linda

[sky otter]

Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter.  Linda

my point exactly
how many posts in this thread are yours, linda

if you do not engage..it goes no further

i am out

[undo11]

Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter.  Linda

did you know there were jews before the nazi holocaust that realized what was happening was building up to people being irrational and so severly prejudice it was dangerous.  and that if they didn't say something, it would get completely out of control and jewish people would start being killed because of it? and guess what happened. naysayers came along and said,

"nope. you're just paranoid cause you're guilty." or

"nope. but even if it were true, you deserve it." or

"nope. we have better things to do than worry about the problems of a bunch of social misfits." etc etc etc.

you want evidence?  i can give you plenty.  what you are witnessing and what you are doing yourself, has all the earmarks of the same thing that happened in nazi germany.   problem is, i'm not rich. my daddy wasn't a banker.  i don't own nine tenths of the planet.  i'm not famous.  i'm just an average everyday housewife.

[Linda Brown]

Are you speaking to me or to Sky Otter here Undo.

Who is saying to just leave things alone?

Linda

[undo11]

Are you speaking to me or to Sky Otter here Undo.

Who is saying to just leave things alone?

Linda

you said

Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter. 

you think it's a waste of time. what is a waste of time? this kind of banter. why is it a waste of time? because you say so. why do you say so? because you don't think it's important enough to complain about.  so you think it's just being used to divide the forum. 

to me it reads just like:

"we have better things to do than worry about the problems of a bunch of social misfits."

[Linda Brown]

Again..... you misread my words. I was trying to be sarcastic in response to Sky Otter. Read it again...

Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter.  Linda

my point exactly
how many posts in this thread are yours, linda

if you do not engage..it goes no further

i am out


And she AGREED with me. I was NOT saying that this was unimportant.......I should have put a funny face up there .... I thought most would know what I was trying to get across.  Please try to see what I was meaning....   Linda

[undo11]

Well thats a relief that this forum is so resiliant and has so much time to waste on this kind of banter.  Linda

sounded just like a response to my quote here:

because every so often, i have this same conversation with people and it never causes the end of the world or the forum.

and surprisingly enough, it came right after my post.  so to me it sounds like you're saying that the forum is resilient apparently because it has withstood my prior complaints.  notice that i'm usually pretty level headed about all this till that big red button gets pushed and it isn't because it gets pushed here that often but it's accumulative.

if i came home one day from shopping and everyone in my house was talking about how people who go shopping are evil, i'd be like "WTF", but probably wouldn't say anything right away. i'd ponder it, of course, double check to be sure it wasn't something i was doing and then wait for the next time it was brought up. then i'd ask what they meant.  then i'd offer up a fairly moderate and forthright defense. and if it continued, i'd get more vocal about it till the issue was either resolved, or i had figured out another way to just brush it off.

i can't brush off this kind of thing when it is accumulative, people are adding their negative opinions about christianity to the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions or even billions of other negative opinions about it over the centuries.  how i became responsible for the crusades, i will never know.  that one is a real humdinger.   wasn't even my religion in the first place and in the second place, i don't own a single deadly weapon and if i did, i wouldnt use it to kill or permanently harm anyone, although i might use it to keep someone from "chopping off my other breast."  (edited: wacking. lol bad bad lol)

[Pimander]

( I am here trying to get you to understand that there is something operating here amongst us that has the capability to change EVERYONES mood.... I am not talking spiritual warfare here.... I wish that I was. I am talking cold hard science and a program that DOES NOT want this Forum and others like it to gain any power at all. We are dangerous to their very existance.... but if people refuse to see the possibilities then there is nothing more that I or anyone else can do.

Refuse?  Can we escape from the facts?  This I understand.

[Linda Brown]

Andolin....You so beautifully said.....

I have come to believe that Prayer is not asking for anything, as much as opening yourself up to a belief that we should find that spark in others that resonates with what we know is in ourselves, and support that energy. As my Dad might have said  " More Power to you"
Theres that word....Resonates/ resonance..... again.   <g>  Linda