The Gold Ring

[Amaterasu]

Okay, how about this approach.

You said "
But I did give you something. Something that cost me greatly, is there no value to that?

Continuing:

But yet what I see going on in particular this forum and others, is the repeated question - "how does it work?" - "What did you build?"

So if someone asks those questions than are they really not asking for themselves personally or is there some other ulterior motive?

Are you seeing my point yet?

Mikado

Yes, I see where You're going.  If I WANTED to know, and You confided in Me, it would be a pinecone, irrespective of the cost to You.  But it would not be so much the information that was the pinecone, but the confidence in Me.  In fact, if I loved pinecones, and You brought Me one, it would be Your though for Me that would be most valued.

When someOne asks, it is likely for Their edification - with some probability of having ulterior motives.

If edification is motive and You shared, the confidence still would be the treasure; the data appreciated - like the thought behind the pinecone is the treasure, the pinecone appreciated.

[deuem]

Hi All,

On my aspect, I will leave the electronics to you scientist guys. I have no intension to build a lifter. It is not my pinecone. The idea maybe is. What I do is to take an application and make it work in production. All of the nuts and bolts stuff that is needed to make these in mass production. Along the way a need for certain information is required. How not to zap people, how to keep people safe. How to brake, how to start it up, how to make it fit the real world. There is more work needed in this end then most of us think. It can take years of Engineering work to just change a car model. Since it is done consecutively you never see it. A hundred people at the same time for a year and not one person for a hundred years.

In the mean time we would have to think about a million things and solve a million production problems while the science guys wait. That is called linier production and takes a lot of time. I like concurrent engineering where the entire team is on the project at the same or almost same time. Usually an overlap works best. So no one is far behind and the answer guys are near by to figure out the electrical or math questions as they arise.

When people like me work with these inventor people they get pushed with real life questions and have to think faster. It excites the brain to work better. They get hit with questions they never thought of before and have to break new ground at a faster pace or the product dies.

In a company this is easy to do, everyone has contracts and agreements. On a web site, I don't know how it could be done. If I thought that there was a very worth while project to work on and Zorgon could get seed and production investment money, I would move to Vegas in a week(s) to start it up. Get the ball rolling. As far as money goes, it is a tool. Some people abuse tools, some have no tools and others use the right tool for the right job. No different than guns, knifes or TNT.

I am also pretty sure if I ask this team again, What are you going to do with this tech? The answer will be I am sitting on it. If you already had a large enough team you would have done it already. What ever "it" is! So some how that idea has to be converted into reality, maybe with a contract. On the other hand if you had a couple of hundred million, most likely you would be here making deals and contracting people Yourself. So does an idea die because of the tool "money" or does the brain power here figure out a way to get around that hurdle and make it fair.

I guess we have 2 choices, make it happen somehow or sit at our computers till we die of old age and wonder if it really could of worked. Unless an idea is taken to the end, it is all for nothing in the long run. How many people take great ideas to their grave? The number one killer of these types of projects is greed! It stops more contracts than anything else. Even if we exchanged pinecones, someone would want too many.

Deuem

[Linda Brown]

The strange thing about Dad and probably the most negative thing about his character was that once he " figured out" the mystery of one particular thing that would  or could be developed commercially.... he was gone. You didn't call him the " Good-Bye man" for nothing.

He had absolutely ( and I mean absolutely) no interest in doing what you do so well Deuem. In figuring out all of the thousands of little things that are necessary to make a product useful in the market place. Dealing with the Underwriters for example would have driven him bonkers. He had no time for it.

Mainly because developing something for the " market"  to sell so that he could make money from it.... well.... he could have cared less.

If he had cared about " making money" He would have taken the very substantial fortune that was there for him when he was just a kid and " buckled down" as his Uncle advised him to do. After all he was the only male heir to the Townsend family businesses which were substantial. Quarry, Wool mills, even brick making and the first horse drawn tolley system in Zanesville. Mr. Townsend owned a huge ranch in Peabody, thousands of acres..... a ranch in California covering a good piece of what is now called " Palos Verdes" overlooking the ocean near Long Beach.... He had oil wells in Kansas and gas wells in Ohio.... Coal interests in Pa.....and even an Apartment complex in Kansas City. 

If Dad had been interested in making money he could have stayed home.

But he got fascinated with the idea that there was some sort of " radiation" that seemed to be affecting his " units"..... he figured that it was Gravitation.... and then he wondered why it " varied" and after that.... he concluded that he was somehow in touch with the " Nervous system of the Universe"

I am alot like my Dad. I don't care a whole lot about money. Never have  really. I have been in positions where I had really wonderful  financial advantages. I have ridden " to the hounds" in Virginia, Stepped past a door man in one of the best hotels in Philadelphia... knowing that I lived in the Penthouse.... spent time on a private yacht and did my share of interesting travel.

In almost the same period of time I have worked along migrant workers picking fruit for a few dollars a day.... trapped rabbits and fished in the Everglades to put dinner on the table because there wouldn't have been anything to eat if I hadn't.... knowing that sometime in the future that things would be better but at that moment....there was no money.....

In fact there is one fellow out there reading these words who offered to give me a place to live. Course it was in his student facility at the time and there would have been other youngsters like me sleeping on  the couch or floor too... but he was genuine that he would look after me..... I said no because I trusted that somehow Dads work would " pan out" and that he would soon have a project that would be worthy of my time and efforts..... so I hunted and fished  and Mother and I waited to hear from Dad...... Three months later we were living in the Drake Hotel in Philadelphia and I was helping him build a " Loudspeaker Unit" at the Decker Lab. The following year we had moved to Santa Monica where I worked at Guidence Technology... trying to develop what I thought was " the fan".... Then in November of 1967 there was a meeting at RAND and Dad announced that I should "get my own life" because the "Project" was closing down.

So I did.

And now I watch what is happening here with a sort of wierd dispassionate attitude. I hope that this " pinecone" works out for someone or group here . I believe that you all have been brought together for a purpose and you all have the qualities of thought and character that are needed here....

But understand that while I am always there to encourage all of you.... I really do think that I have paid my ticket already and I have taken the ride that I needed to take. I don't have any further say in any of this and don't expect any. You guys and ladies are on the threshold of a new age. And there is enough here for all of you to reach your wildest financial and spiritual expectations.

But there is one thing certainly. The time is now.

So if any of you have any expertise in what you think is worth building then for darned sake..... build it.

I just bought myself a brand new saddle. And I think that I am going to go riding. You all know that I will be watching and wishing you all the best.   Linda

[Littleenki]

As I posed early in this thread and I think a few here may agree...the lifter is a tool to teach us, not to lift us.

Some have waxed philosophical now, and the thread has become quite full of corrrections and quoting, yet the little lifter has been pushed aside for these Confucius moments.

1WW really hit it in his post back on page 8, where he had brought up frequency and harmonics.

What happens when vibrations occur? Nodal points form at different frequencies, and certain molecules are excited while clustering upon these nodal points.
Anti-nodal points are where the molecules avoid going when they cluster, and a pattern is formed within the crystalinne structure of loose materials.

This effect is known as Cymatics.

If we apply the frequency and harmonics ideas, like 1WW so well put, we find that things can just relocate within this matrix we know as the aether.

Anything which vibrates has the ability to affect it's surroundings and the mass of whatever it is contained within.

When building my first and only lifter, we noticed a profound super high freqeuncy hissing or buzzing, even though the lifter ran from 40kv DC. So to say DC doesnt recreate some of the same effects that A/C does is probably jumping to that proverbial howitzer.

Our lifter buzzed and hummed and made all kinds of vibrational sounds and was clearly moving as well, and as we see in any physics book...vibration means movement.

So, what does vibration have to do with a lifter?

Much.

The lifter takes the DC and acts as an inverter of sorts, creating a vibrational field which allows the lifter to avoid the effects of whatever gravity is, and hence, due to the shift in it's actual frequency of existence being changed by the HVDC, it relocates to a higher plane, where it would rather be, like those nodal points I spoke of a few paragraphs back.

That little lifter is a tool for showing us the correlation between Tesla's all encompassing energy, and how things relocate within the matrix when their frequency of existence is changed or altered.

The little lifter has taught us a lesson, 1WW has pointed it out, and so we should file this away, for application to the next phase of lifter 101, a class put on and shared freely by a tiny assemblage of foil and balsa wood.

Well done 1WW, even though you may not be the big bad electrical genius here, you have hit the nail squarely on the head, my friend, and maybe some here will drop the dogma of past guesses, and get on with what is real and causes everything to look, feel, and be......what it is....pure vibration.

So, is a lifter all it seems?

Nope.

Do we know how it works?

Almost.

Littleenki

[Linda Brown]

kISSES

[Littleenki]

kISSES

And a heaping batch of HUGS!:D

[Mikado]

Yes, I see where You're going.  If I WANTED to know, and You confided in Me, it would be a pinecone, irrespective of the cost to You.  But it would not be so much the information that was the pinecone, but the confidence in Me.  In fact, if I loved pinecones, and You brought Me one, it would be Your though for Me that would be most valued.

When someOne asks, it is likely for Their edification - with some probability of having ulterior motives.

If edification is motive and You shared, the confidence still would be the treasure; the data appreciated - like the thought behind the pinecone is the treasure, the pinecone appreciated.

Thank You. Sometimes the greatest knowledge is not what we think it is.

Mikado

[Amaterasu]

[smile]

[1Worldwatcher]

Linda said:

But he got fascinated with the idea that there was some sort of " radiation" that seemed to be affecting his " units"..... he figured that it was Gravitation.... and then he wondered why it " varied" and after that.... he concluded that he was somehow in touch with the " Nervous system of the Universe"

This is what I am referring too Linda, I see the Universe as a living entity, though the largest in perspective realisation compared too our minimal encapsulating cranial capabilities, the "Frequency" I am referring to is exactly the "Synapse" of the Universes central nervous system, if you will, of producing none detected information that we have yet to tap.
I have seen all the UT vids, the PDF's and the research analogies and topics of discussions, but there is that one thing that over rides all the information given, "Not all of the information necessary is there for true identification of such devices or new sources of power/powerplant variables."
Z has brought something too my attention that may very well be a part of the whole, and I am hoping he will bring this out , in due time, but the implications of lessening the very principles of opposed mediums , such as Gravity, ambient pressures and vacuum scenarios are going to require the "Out of the Box" tangibility's for applications and research.
Deuems point's hold well with me, it requires hands on, real hard scientists too prevail in the endeavour, but at the same time, it seems we haven't even got the model on paper, as of yet. But, I know with the simplest of workers, we can build bridges that inspire and awe those who look upon it. And this is where the hard core scientific minds come in, too do the math, read the option's and figure out what would and would not be feasible.
I am a mere errand boy for this type of work that needs too be done, but am willing, ready and able to offer everything I have as an individual enlightened to the fact "I know this can be done!" kind of analogies.
And LE, you get what I am speaking of , there is a point with in frequency that effects all things, mineral, vegetable and mental, if we can find this elusive tangent, we would be the better for having found it, not like big Mil would do, but to configure what has been set before us to reach our ultimate goals. The Old school scientists didn't have the life span that was necessary for them to finish the works that they started, but they surely laid the maps out for us to initiate into our process of deductive and conclusive finding's.
We have studied the greats in this field, now lets take what they have and put it too the real test, and get the thing designed, built and understood what has too be done too proceed forward.

1Worldwatcher
Global Moderator

[Mikado]

I am also pretty sure if I ask this team again, What are you going to do with this tech? The answer will be I am sitting on it. If you already had a large enough team you would have done it already. What ever "it" is! So some how that idea has to be converted into reality, maybe with a contract. On the other hand if you had a couple of hundred million, most likely you would be here making deals and contracting people Yourself. So does an idea die because of the tool "money" or does the brain power here figure out a way to get around that hurdle and make it fair.

I guess we have 2 choices, make it happen somehow or sit at our computers till we die of old age and wonder if it really could of worked. Unless an idea is taken to the end, it is all for nothing in the long run. How many people take great ideas to their grave? The number one killer of these types of projects is greed! It stops more contracts than anything else. Even if we exchanged pinecones, someone would want too many.

Deuem

Spoken like someone that does not understand what "it" is.

If "someone" "had something" and they understood it and that understanding has both pro and cons to its use, perhaps they feel the need to think things through. Who better to do this then the person that "has something" and not some production engineer who really doesn't understand the core and is only looking at production.

Paraphrasing here - Take three days to think things through. Or act in haste, repent in leisure.

Just my opinion,

Mikado

[Mikado]

As I posed early in this thread and I think a few here may agree...the lifter is a tool to teach us, not to lift us.

Some have waxed philosophical now, and the thread has become quite full of corrrections and quoting, yet the little lifter has been pushed aside for these Confucius moments.

1WW really hit it in his post back on page 8, where he had brought up frequency and harmonics.

What happens when vibrations occur? Nodal points form at different frequencies, and certain molecules are excited while clustering upon these nodal points.
Anti-nodal points are where the molecules avoid going when they cluster, and a pattern is formed within the crystalinne structure of loose materials.

This effect is known as Cymatics.

If we apply the frequency and harmonics ideas, like 1WW so well put, we find that things can just relocate within this matrix we know as the aether.

Anything which vibrates has the ability to affect it's surroundings and the mass of whatever it is contained within.

When building my first and only lifter, we noticed a profound super high freqeuncy hissing or buzzing, even though the lifter ran from 40kv DC. So to say DC doesnt recreate some of the same effects that A/C does is probably jumping to that proverbial howitzer.

Our lifter buzzed and hummed and made all kinds of vibrational sounds and was clearly moving as well, and as we see in any physics book...vibration means movement.

So, what does vibration have to do with a lifter?

Much.

The lifter takes the DC and acts as an inverter of sorts, creating a vibrational field which allows the lifter to avoid the effects of whatever gravity is, and hence, due to the shift in it's actual frequency of existence being changed by the HVDC, it relocates to a higher plane, where it would rather be, like those nodal points I spoke of a few paragraphs back.

That little lifter is a tool for showing us the correlation between Tesla's all encompassing energy, and how things relocate within the matrix when their frequency of existence is changed or altered.

The little lifter has taught us a lesson, 1WW has pointed it out, and so we should file this away, for application to the next phase of lifter 101, a class put on and shared freely by a tiny assemblage of foil and balsa wood.

Well done 1WW, even though you may not be the big bad electrical genius here, you have hit the nail squarely on the head, my friend, and maybe some here will drop the dogma of past guesses, and get on with what is real and causes everything to look, feel, and be......what it is....pure vibration.

So, is a lifter all it seems?

Nope.

Do we know how it works?

Almost.

Littleenki

That hissing you heard is the ionization. The frequency you observed is the consistent arcing that takes place where the ionization field builds to a certain point and then discharges and will repeat. This action is determined by the distance between the two points and the gradient between the two points.

Mikado

[Linda Brown]

and that odd odor you smell is ozone...O3....

Odd that you are talking about exactly what was demonstrated in 1955 in front of an Admiral who at first thought that his morning was being wasted. He left after the demonstration in a different state of mind.

The little thing " shook and hissed" then too.

http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/49963

The historical aspect of this development is all I can offer but of course you have to take into account that some here take issue with the credibility of that memoir. Read what I have said and then match notes with the lab results that you all will experience.
Fifty-seven years have gone by. Isn't that long enough? Maybe it isn't?   Linda

[deuem]

I have some liesure time now so I added the date July 3rd to my notes to get back on this.

In the meantime my word "it" was not for me. If I knew what you all were thinking this lifter tech could do I would have never asked in the first place. I am not into to this type of hobby like you guys/gals are.

The "It" looks like it might have many spin offs from littleenkis space craft to your subs. Both of which are big government. My only point is, I see a tech that is older than I am and I have not seen any results ending in the helping of humans besides the air ion machine. If I am wrong please let me know. I have also seen a lot of inventors take things to the grave because of greed, not intelligence.

Sitting on it is an option. Working on it, to market is also. What ever "it" is.

So I will think about "it" for myself for awhile and get back if I get anywhere.

By the way, Deuem is not a production engineer....

[Mikado]

Lifter tech is the demonstration of EHD. To take it to the level of EG is wrong and shows a misunderstanding of terms.

Attempting to take Lifter Tech to commercialize it into EG is a blind alley. To commercialize Lifter Tech into some new form of an EHD pump is not a blind alley.

Mikado

[Linda Brown]

And all you have to do is look at the "Ionic Breeze" to see it in action as far as " pumping air"

And then there is the " loudspeaker" part of that which has strangely not been heard of since 1967.  Linda