The Gold Ring

[robomont]

above,le states the lifter uses ac.
wouldnt ac mean that the lifter was going into the negative field each cycle.this would mean the polarity is reversing each cycle.
whereas dc pulses would keep the polarity the same all the time.

i do have a theory that the right ac frequency could possibly lock an object in space at a certain relative position.
this frequency would be relative to large objects producing gravity .

[Littleenki]

above,le states the lifter uses ac.
wouldnt ac mean that the lifter was going into the negative field each cycle.this would mean the polarity is reversing each cycle.
whereas dc pulses would keep the polarity the same all the time.

i do have a theory that the right ac frequency could possibly lock an object in space at a certain relative position.
this frequency would be relative to large objects producing gravity .

Any time you pulse a HVPS it is using a waveform, but that waveform could be adjusted with the right circuitry to resemble pulsed dc..its all about how the input is setup to the ps. It can be a/c or d/c depending on the waveform created by the front end of the ps. its all about chasing negative ions.

[Pimander]

its all about chasing negative ions.

Wouldn't that mean (as I have suggested before) that the effect is not electrogravitic, but something else?

[Littleenki]

Wouldn't that mean (as I have suggested before) that the effect is not electrogravitic, but something else?

It is all about charge migration...which can be seen as transdimensional IMO. Of course has anyone ever really defined the term EG sufficiently?

[robomont]

i still think eg is directly related to xrays being expelled from blackholes.maybe the frquency or the voltage.

[starwarp2000]

It is all about charge migration...which can be seen as transdimensional IMO. Of course has anyone ever really defined the term EG sufficiently?

Charge Migration is transdimensional! The Dielectric aspect of Electricity lives in Counter Space.

EG has never been described sufficiently because the two component parts: Electricity and Gravity, don't have sufficiently clear explanations in our current science.
So we can't expect that by combining the two terms together, that we would make it any more clearer 

[Littleenki]

Charge Migration is transdimensional! The Dielectric aspect of Electricity lives in Counter Space.

EG has never been described sufficiently because the two component parts: Electricity and Gravity, don't have sufficiently clear explanations in our current science.
So we can't expect that by combining the two terms together, that we would make it any more clearer 

Right on, Starwarp!

Gravity is consequential IMO, a reaction of other forces and fields..not a force of it's own.

Travelling densities of electricity, sent from near and far, and that relocation of densities in the aether is the perceived gravity, as the electricity densities push matter towards the implosion of the geometry of the Earth's center. A battle between the implosion and the emittance from that core is the resulting gravity.

So, not only is every bit of the universe connected in a Quantum way, it is part of one big circuit, filled with celestial components which mimic our primitive electronics.

As for electricity, I like to think of it as an always there lifeforce, which all things great and small are consisting of.

Is it the basis of all matter..charge as an aether and everything we consist of?

Perhaps electricity is that ever elusive aether we search for, and the density of matter is just a by product of the density of electricity in the accretion of said matter, which really is just higher densities of the aether itself.

One things for sure, just as energy cant be created or destroyed, so goes electricity, its already there, just waiting to be altered and relocated for whatever use we see fit.

No tiny electrons..just one big electron. The universe.

Does energy define electricity? Or vice versa?

Good brain food, eh Starwarp?

Cheers!

[robomont]

im willing to hear this out but im not convinced.

the other dimension deal i kinda agree with.
it seems to be happening in the hv regions.
thats why the higgs bosson interest me.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Getting pretty deep here, aren't we?

If i could afford a simple explanation it would be:

Charge is dimensionless, it affects matter, but is not part of it.
It can travel faster than light, & has gravitational effects on matter, as well as the usual attraction/repelling action.

I read of an experiment where a LED was connected to 100 feet of wire, & a super fast detector & scope connected to the LED.
When the power was applied to the wire, the LED started to glow BEFORE current started to flow through the wire.

This is what i mean when i talk about electrons being 'pulled along' by the charge, rather than the conventional view that they SUPPLY the charge or carry it, it seems to be that the opposite is true, the charge carries the electrons.

This can be proven (in part) by the 'overunity capacitive circuits' i posted in the Inventor's area.....

Fascinating, no?

[Pimander]

Charge is dimensionless, it affects matter, but is not part of it.
It can travel faster than light, & has gravitational effects on matter, as well as the usual attraction/repelling action.

Hold on, define charge for me.

Are you defining charge as a force?

I'd suggest that the the structure OR FORM of the electron (or other particle/quanta) effects the ether causing the matter to move or change form (such as in paramagnetic induction).  The ether is the medium and also the facilitator of force in its interaction with form.

I read of an experiment where a LED was connected to 100 feet of wire, & a super fast detector & scope connected to the LED.
When the power was applied to the wire, the LED started to glow BEFORE current started to flow through the wire.

My thinking would be that it would happen in zero time not -ve time.

This is what i mean when i talk about electrons being 'pulled along' by the charge, rather than the conventional view that they SUPPLY the charge or carry it, it seems to be that the opposite is true, the charge carries the electrons.

You mean a force moves the electrons due to their charge?  That isn't exactly a revolutionary idea.  It is electromagnetism.

[Littleenki]

Pimander, you are the charge, the charge is the aether, and the charge is everything. The sea of all, not a force which is suspended or imbedded in the aether, but the all itself.

Thats the secret to electricity...its more than meets the eye, and less than the mainstream scientists make of it.

No electrons, as electrons would be separate entities, and thats just not possible.

We are waves, part of the same thing which all is consisting of, charge..plasma however dense or light..always in the form of plasma...life itself..electricity.

Electromagnetism is just a form of distortion as when a river makes a sharp bend the waves form frothy foam spikes..still all the same..ALL.

EM is the 90 degree bend in the river, the change in the stable charge of the all which creates distortion..and the magnetism is just another lifeforce which is always a part of the all resulting from that trapped distortion.

Consult the Leedskalnin PMH here.....

Magnetism is a portion of the charge, a wave which repeats upon itself, a ripple in a bowl, decreasing slowly in strength for millions of years as it moves back and forth, but still a result of the charge differentials between plasma states within the ALL. Ringing until it regains its balance with the rest of the all.

Schauberger found magnetism, albeit in fluid vortices...still part of the all.

You Pimander are plasma, charge, electricity, and magnetism all in one, one which is all.

Or as Ive said before..I could be completely wrong.....

Enjoy that sandwich my friend!

Cheers!

[robomont]

i wonder sometimes if these are just different angles or dimensions of the same object.
like twelve blind men describing an elephant.
may be our minds cant handle a subject of so many dimensions.
mine got sore just reading the last few post.
maybe some of it will soak in.
gonna sleep on it.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Charge is, according to conventional science;

a physical property of matter that causes it to experience a force when near other electrically charged matter.

It has polarity, density & so forth.
That's all very well, but they are describing it as a property of matter and not a type of energy or a dimension, in fact there are many physicists who think it might be inter-dimensional in nature, or even a dimension in itself.

Certainly it affects matter, the 'electric field' being present between two differently charged masses being able to exert a force.
(This very magical 'action at a distance' was abhorred by people like Newton, good for him,but then again his own 2nd law is on shaky ground at the moment)
I tend to agree with Bearden, who says you have mass & charge as 2 separate entities, one capable of existing without the other, it is this very 'massless charge' which we could also regard as being 'aether tension' or 'scalar waves' or 'collapsed waveforms' or 'strings' , depending on which theories you believe in.
i have a lot of evidence that suggests this is indeed the case, and what we call 'electricity' is merely a by-product of the motion of charges, & their effects on mass.
Hence the analogy of electrons being pulled along by the charge, rather than being it's carrier.
However, if you try to relate the charge carrying capacity of a particle (such as an electron) it appears that said particle is more of a cloud.

This means that it's true surface area may be a million times greater, and therefore also it's charge capacity.

This also means that we would observe all the electro-magnetic events we see today, but for an entirely different reason, and why we can't measure some things (yet), as Bearden maintains, & i agree with him.

This does not mean we have to throw all the physics books away, most laws hold true for both the 'quantum' and the 'aether' framework.
That's what makes it a tricky problem to deal with

Am i defining charge as a force? No, it is more fundamental than that, i think.

My thinking would be that it would happen in zero time not -ve time.

That's not what i meant, the charge supplied power to light the LED before the electrons got moving, is all.....This is true in ALL electric circuits, only we tend to leave the circuit 'closed' so that electrons start flowing, encountering 'resistance', generating heat, & generally getting in the way, meaning we have to pour at least 4 times as much energy in to maintain the status quo

Think about it, if what we call 'charge' IS inter-dimensional, then yes, it could very well travel through time.
That's why i'm very interested in the so-called 'time forwarding' of electrons that i have heard about, that's why i'm putting clocks both inside & outside the lifter test chamber, with special regard to monitoring the chamber after power has been removed.

You mean a force moves the electrons due to their charge?  That isn't exactly a revolutionary idea.  It is electromagnetism.

Aah, not exactly what i meant, dear Pim.
It's all about dimensions.
If there is a difference in charge between 2 points, there is said to be an 'electric field' between them, any particles in that field will be drawn to their opposite poles, so electrons will move in one direction, protons (& their companion neutrons, ions thus) will move in the opposite direction.

But what is this 'field' that acts on the particles, at a distance?

Well, it must be the charge, or more accurately, the uneven distribution of it.
The charge acts on (charged) particles, and the force acts on them.
But what if there were no particles present, but still a big difference in charge between 2 points?
Is there a force present?
A field, even?
The very act of measuring this field involves placing mass & charged particles directly in it's path, whereby it acts on them.
Kind of counterproductive......
This is what Bearden means, i think.

During my research on electro-gravitics, it was clear to me that the sudden appearance or removal of charge on a mass has instant & quite remarkable effects.
This is not just 'electro-static' attraction or repulsion, this mass can be displaced, and in more than one dimension, methinks


This is also the big secret behind all the free energy research, since we can learn to use the displacement of charge to displace energy, I.E. generate, or transmit it.
The age of 'electronics' is by no means dead, but all the energy needed to run it will come from systems that do not move electrons around

The humble yet mysterious Electron has yet to give up all it's secrets, but it is also a big, heavy elephant walking slowly in a field where cheetahs race by at 60MPH

Electromagnetism is just a form of distortion as when a river makes a sharp bend the waves form frothy foam spikes..still all the same..ALL.

Something like that, i reckon

...like twelve blind men describing an elephant.

Eggzactly!

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Update
My lifter is definitely getting pulses, it vibrates like hell...this is probably because the capacitors are too small, so i will have to wait until i get some bigger ones. Meantime i'm going to put a Leyden jar in there, LOL
Meanwhile, i'm going back to the 'Naudin flyback' circuit, & see if i can't smoth the output to flat DC (not easy at 35kv), maybe a Leyden jar will be the easiest thing to make....

Also, i will need to make a HV non-contact field probe for my scopes. That way i can see if it's getting DC or not.

The temporal anomaly is still there, it seems that the constant presence of a HV, HF field has scrambled the digital clock in that room, it is now a full two hours ahead of the electro-mechanical clock

Either the quartz oscillator in that clock has been permanently scrambled by the field, or i've moved forward 2 hours in time...

Hey,maybe i just got younger, that's a nice thought.....

[Pimander]

maybe a Leyden jar will be the easiest thing to make....

The plastic containers pharmacists keep their stock pills in make good Leyden jars if you want to make a large one.  They just throw them out or put them in the recycling so they are normally happy to give them away.  They are better than glass for a lifter as they are lighter.  If you use aluminium foil that is light too.

However, if you need a small one then glass/pyrex capillary tubs might do...