Charles Hall and The Tall Whites

[ShotInTheDark]

AND DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF BEING SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT WANT PROOF OF ALIEN PRESENCE.  I ALSO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE NON-CONVENTIONAL CRAFT ARE KNOCKING AROUND AS I AM A CLOSE UP WITNESS.

Very Interesting could you please explain your experience ? I have never heard it before. Thanks SITD 

[biggles]

Now Pimander you do always want proof of ET and so on.  If you have been a witness to unconventional craft, unless it is remote controlled someone has to be operating it.

[zorgon]

Thing about Gilliand's ranch is that anyone can go visit and see the critters themselves

At least until the activity stops like it did at Skinwalker ranch

[Pimander]

Now Pimander you do always want proof of ET and so on.  If you have been a witness to unconventional craft, unless it is remote controlled someone has to be operating it.

Do I really need to answer that?  Yes somebody is likely to have been operating it, unless it is self navigating.  Who though?

Thing about Gilliand's ranch is that anyone can go visit and see the critters themselves

At least until the activity stops like it did at Skinwalker ranch

Unless Skinwalker was hoaxed by some Aviary boys.   lol.

P.S.  Send me a ticket across the pond and you have a scientist on site.

[biggles]

Thing about Gilliand's ranch is that anyone can go visit and see the critters themselves

At least until the activity stops like it did at Skinwalker ranch

Exactly right you can go visit James at the ranch and see the ET craft up close, not the critters, the craft. 

James is able to interact with them and know when they are coming even down to the time.

Well, you got me there, never heard of the skinwalker ranch. 

[ShotInTheDark]

Thing about Gilliand's ranch is that anyone can go visit and see the critters themselves

At least until the activity stops like it did at Skinwalker ranch

Zorgon you have made the point i was trying to convey. Anyone can and have filmed UFOs flying around the ranch. And these are not bugs or birds we have multiple people filming the same craft.

The craft that Astr0144 had posted I thought was amazing. It had a steady flight pattern seemed intelligently controlled was not blown around by the wind like a balloon and was completely illuminated where the sky is pitch black. The remote mountain locations have a rich history of UFOs and ET experiences. I think The stills from the video show great detail and I really was shocked by the alleged door opening on the mountain itself . First thing I thought was Dulce, and The Tall Whites.     

As far as Skinwalker Ranch goes George Knapp spent great amount of time there investigating Paranormal phenomenon which he and other witnesses had seen. Are all these people lying unlikely.

We all have different opinions in many areas. My great friend Woody and I believe 100% in Sasquatch as The Native Americans called them now for centuries better known across the world as BigFoot. Theres possible DNA coming back right now as we speak.

We have have Latent Print expert Jimmy Chillcut who happens to be probably the leading expert in the country on Primate prints and Human prints. He went out to debunk the claims of Bigfoot 
witnesses and foot castings and was absolutely shocked and came to the exact opposite conclusion that yes they are real.
Please Watch: 

Now in a court of law this man has put many criminals away for life in prison because of his testimony. He is highly regarded as one of the best by the FBI The DEA you name it. But even though The Dermal Ridges hes identified on many casts show up over and over which are different then a humans people just don't care and think its all BS well its not in my opinion.

My whole point is even if evidence is staring us right in the face most people don't believe it why?  I really think when we finally get that real video of a ship with an ET getting in and out of the craft from a Smart Phone or what ever device its recorded from with 50 witnesses and its going to happen. The event will be considered a Hoax "CGI" because to myself UFO Hoaxers are the worst of the worst. And YouTube is plagued with fake videos I used to watch 100s of videos a month and gave up for a long time because of the fake videos. 

[Eighthman]

Yup, "photographic evidence" is now an oxymoron.  Thank you, Photoshop.

[Pimander]

First thing I thought was Dulce, and The Tall Whites.     

The first thing I think of when Dulce comes up is disinformation.  At every step of the way - whether there is a DUMB in the area or not!

John was "wrong" to promote that total nonsense, in my not especially humble opinion.

As far as Skinwalker Ranch goes George Knapp spent great amount of time there investigating Paranormal phenomenon which he and other witnesses had seen. Are all these people lying unlikely.

There were people involved with the Skinwalker Ranch investigation who are hardly squeaky clean I'm afraid.  I agree there was something going on there but perhaps not what is generally imagined.  Perhaps I should put everything I have discovered so far on this site, but then again do I want the clues to dry up or disappear from the web?  Not yet.

We all have different opinions in many areas. My great friend Woody and I believe 100% in Sasquatch as The Native Americans called them now for centuries better known across the world as BigFoot.

Yep, there may be something to it but its illusive quality suggests something Vallee-esque (like some real alien material also is) not just some hairy dudes hiding.

My whole point is even if evidence is staring us right in the face most people don't believe it why?

Because the evidence that is staring me in the face is that if certain figures and organisations are promoting this material it is not what it appears to be.

I really think when we finally get that real video of a ship with an ET getting in and out of the craft from a Smart Phone or what ever device its recorded from with 50 witnesses and its going to happen. The event will be considered a Hoax "CGI" because to myself UFO Hoaxers are the worst of the worst. And YouTube is plagued with fake videos I used to watch 100s of videos a month and gave up for a long time because of the fake videos. 

It isn't likely to happen because whoever the "watchers" are, they are clearly not being that open about their presence.  Think about it.

Also most of the so called UFO evidence is disinformation, exaggeration, misidentification or attention seeking lies.  Most of the best public domain evidence is largely ignored by the media and on conspiracy sites.

[ShotInTheDark]

The first thing I think of when Dulce comes up is disinformation.  At every step of the way - whether there is a DUMB in the area or not!

John was "wrong" to promote that total nonsense, in my not especially humble opinion.

Pimander have you ever confronted John Lear on Dulce ? What about Gabe Valdez testimony I know hes passed on a year ago. What about the testimony of all the native Americans who have witnessed craft certainly they are not part of a disinformation campaign ? Pimander Could you expand on your disbelief in Dulce ??   

[Pimander]

John released the "Dulce Papers".  John also interviewed people involved (with Linda Moulton-Howe) and also knew and stayed with Bennewitz.  John used to say he believe in the existence of the alien base.  However, the story is a cover for probably two, if not three things.

Where do I start?

Lights in the sky are not proof of the presence of an underground base populated by Greys who feed on human body parts.  Surely, before I go any further, that must be obvious. Right?

I'm not sure how familiar you are with counter intelligence but I suspect you are far from completely ignorant. 

Gebe Valdez probably found a crashed nuclear device or other test craft on the mesa.  Aliens stories might throw attention away from that.

Bennewitz detected something from the Kirtland base.  He was fed disinfo to distract him and the UFO community from it.  It may have something to do with high energy weapons in the area.

Bennewitz MAY HAVE filmed UFOs over the Manzano weapons storage facility.  I have never seen this film though and am beginning to doubt it exists despite alleged stills from the film being published recently.  The disinfo would also discredit this part of the story if it were true.


The whole thing has AFOSI's fingerprints all over it.  Look into Rick Doty and his involvement.  Look into Bill Moore.   Look into the Aviary.  John Alexander (Army Intelligence) is also linked to this.


The whole cattle mutilation associated with aliens was also disinformation.  People were testing the after effects of nuclear weapons tests using cattle.  They were doing this in secret in early stealth helicopters to get to the cattle covertly and the alien thing was again a cover.  Linking the two stories was useful to AFOSI.  Rick Doty (AFOSI special agent) met with Linda Moulton-Howe, at Kirtland AFB when she was investigating the story.  Why would an AFOSI Special Agent HELP AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER FIND OUT ABOUT ALIENS IF THEY WERE COVERING IT UP?  Think about it.... 

Notice a pattern yet?  Well I have.


I will one day write more extensively on all this.  My research is ongoing. but the Alien Dulce base is BS.  John may have been deceived or he may know this - I don't know.  If he really believes it, then in my opinion he is wrong.  Completely wrong.

On the other hand, John knows more than he has publicly disseminated.  But I am in no position to say what I think he has.  And yes, I will have to contact John regarding this because even if we do not agree, he has material in his collection that is crucial to a project I am working on related to this subject.

[ShotInTheDark]

Pimander heres some stills from The 8mm film Paul filmed

Now this is on grainy 8 mm film but it certainly reminds me of what Area51Watcher has filmed at S-4

On a side note yes I'm familiar with Rick Doty and alot of other people. I'm sure that John Lear was absolutely on to something very very big when he and Linda Howe went to Dulce and John was on The Local cable Public Cable Channel talking with George Knapp about Dulce. I think The Govt wanted Lear away from Dulce this was back in the mid 1980s pre Bob Lazar.

Lets hear what John Lear had to say on UFO Hunters a few yrs back on Dulce I'm sure he hasn't changed his mind on any of this material.
John Comes on at about 8:12 of the following video:





Now we have a number of different individuals testimonies here. Something is going on In Dulce. I'm not so sure its in The Archuleta Mesa though. I would love to here what John has to say on Dulce. And Pimander whats your thoughts of the testimonies on this particular episode of UFO Hunters ?

[Pimander]

A51Watcher and I are already following this up.

No, they are alleged stills.  I have contacted the author of the book to look into this.  How do we know what those stills are?  They are supposedly stills of Bennewitz movie right?  Well I contacted the author to find out essentially where the movie is.  If he doesn't know, then how does he know they are stills from it?

The author (Chris Lambright) replied immediately to my initial enquiry but then backed off and ignored me as soon as I ask specific questions.  Why?  You tell me.

Lambright also knew Bennewitz.  In what capacity he met him is of interest to me too.  I will follow up of course.  I'm not sure what your opinion of me is but you may well be underestimating me.

Nearly forgot, I suspect there may have been underground nuclear tests in the Dulce area. 

[Pimander]

NIDS also reported that the Cattle mutialtions were related to BSE (cattle brain disease).  I believe GebeValdez also worked with NIDS (National Institute for Discovery Science).  NIDS also had (now defunct officially) some "interesting" characters involved with it.

Alternative name for NIDS: Nevada Intelligence Disinformation School.

We hypothesize that animal mutilations represent both a TSE-disease sampling
operation on domestic animals AND a graphic warning that the beef and venison food chain is compromised.

Overall, the evidence suggests that animal mutilations are a long-term, covert, prion
disease sampling operation by unknown perpetrators who are aware of a substantial
contamination of the beef and venison food supply. Although this paper presents evidence in favor of a motive for animal mutilations, there is still insufficient evidence to identify the perpetrators.

SOURCE: http://www.lostartsmedia.com/images/cattledeaths_tse_epidemic.pdf

Again though, the link with mutilations suggests a sampling survey and not aliens.  For me Valdez has also possibly been led up the garden path or may have been recruited for disinformation purposes.

This may be a coincidence but John Lear knew Gebe Valdez who died recently for 39 years (so knew him long before all of this and in fact before I was born.)

More names to look into and link with.  CB Scott Jones (Naval Intel).  John Mack.  Stubbledine.  John Alexander (Army Intel, AGAIN). Philip Corso.  Edward Teller.


John Alexander, Philip Corso and Edward Teller do lunch at Alexanders.  Interesting conversation no doubt.



That guy Alexander gets around a bit.  Here he is with Scott Jones and Edgar Mitchell.


Here he is with John Mack


With Hal Puthoff



George Knapp and Hal Puthoff.

Stan Freidmand, COL Bill Coleman, former Chief of Public Information, USAF (2010); Bruce Maccabee, Nick Pope, the Krippners,  Michael Hesemann, Jeff Mishlove, Raymond Moody, Jack Houck, Ken Ring, Colm Kelleher, Rustum Roy, Joe Firmage, Steve Vai, Robert Knight, Jack Sarfatti, COL Bob Friend, Richard Dolan, Jim Marrs, Linda Moulten Howe, Kevin Reyerson, Anne Gehman, Mel Morse, Andrew Weil, Phil Corso, George Knapp, Steven Seagal, MG Bert Stubblebine, Brian O'leary, Bob Wood, Ron Pandolfi, Scott Rosenberg, & Ron Wheelock.... http://johnbalexander.com/ufophenomenology

And he says Dulce is BS.  He should know.  Question is: Could he be lying?


With MJ12 and "the aviary", a new claim was made, this time involving a "UFO Working Group". The claim was made in a book by Howard Blum, who had the bad luck to be published in the fall-out of the Moore affaire. As a consequence, his book got a far more sceptical review than most other books, specifically those who had made far bigger claims, had received.
The head of the UFO Working Group was given the name "Col. Howard Phillips". In truth, it was Col. John Alexander (Penguin), the former director of non-lethal weapons testing at Los Alamos National Laboratories in New Mexico. Alexander had been one of the birds on Moore's list, and it seems that the UFO Working Group was just the latest "incarnation" of the Aviary.
Jacques Vallee commented that "the Colonel Phillips [John Alexander] secret group is not the real secret group. It is only the latest carrot dangled in front of a public always eager for new revelations... There is clearly an endless supply of such stories, and they are always volunteered to people who are prone to believing them but have no ability to check them."
Many of UFO Working Group, turned Aviary, went on to become members of the National Institute of Discovery Sciences (NIDS), started up by Nevada billionaire Robert M. Bigalow. Bigalow is donating his money in an effort to better understand the UFO mystery. Apparently.

Bennewitz died on June 23, 2003, at the age of 75. It seems that a campaign, specifically directed towards him, then mushroomed into a public campaign, to make – specifically the American – public believe aliens were here and the government was working with the aliens. Bennewitz's price was a mental breakdown, but as soon as he had been able to remove UFOs from his life afterwards – shielded from it by his family – he apparently seems to have led quite a happy life, especially when compared with the life he led between 1980 ad 1988. Bennewitz can be seen as a martyr, and in that role he should perhaps be an inspiration to many: to realise that many of the major themes in the UFO community, from aliens in residence in Area 51 to crashed ET spacecraft, is worthy of study, but from the point of view of government disinformation – not a possible revelation that will change the world. Seeing the UFOs for what the likes of Doty have made them into, that may set many people free – and might indeed lead to a major revelation: we have been lied to – on purpose – by the government.

Taken from:  http://www.philipcoppens.com/bennewitz.html


I have more on John Alexander.  He has since written book on a group called the Advanced Theoretical Physics Group.  He claims they were secretly looking for the real UFO working group and didn't find it.

[ShotInTheDark]

I think John Alexanders full of BS. Thats my opinion. Funny he is in a picture on one of the links with someone i know personally.

[Pimander]

Gebe Valdez probably found a crashed nuclear device or other test craft on the mesa.  Aliens stories might throw attention away from that.

Actually somewhere in my notes there is a report that even the crashed craft was a set up.  I won't try to go into details from memory though....