Charles Hall and The Tall Whites

[biggles]

Sorry I didnt highlight a quote, but as far as the cattle mutilations go Pimander, why on earth would they experiment and mutilate cattle and blame it on ETs as a cover, doesnt make sense.

If they wanted to experiment they could procure cattle and experiment in private without anyone knowing about it without going to all the trouble of doing it in a field and leaving the evidence behind.  That is just stupidity.

[Pimander]

If they wanted to experiment they could procure cattle and experiment in private without anyone knowing about it without going to all the trouble of doing it in a field and leaving the evidence behind.  That is just stupidity.

No it isn't stupidity at all.  They weren't experimenting they were collecting tissue samples.

If you want samples of tissue from higher mammals that live out in the lands where nuclear tests happened what are the candidates.  There are only cattle commonly found and easy to "capture out there on ranches etc.  There are a few humans but you wouldn't get far doing that.  But cattle are common out there and they live near where both underground and overground tests took place. Perfect - in fact the only - possible subject of a scientific investigation into long term radiation effects.

What is stupidity, is to assume that aliens did it cos someone tells you that they did.

If you look at some of the reports there were phut phut phut noises coming from the passing "UFOs".  Sounds like a modified chopper to me and certainly not a flying saucer.  In fact the other BS was that choppers (not UFOs) were escorting saucers to the mutilations.  Come on, think!

ETA: I meant choppers not UFOs in the last paragraph....

[biggles]

Remember that if your ever strapped down on a Dulce slab with those big dark eyes lookin at ya. 

[Pimander]

Remember that if your ever strapped down on a Dulce slab with those big dark eyes lookin at ya. 

What, are the Apache practicing S&M these days?

[biggles]

What, are the Apache practicing S&M these days?

That's a zorgon line if I ever heard one. 

[Pimander]

Nah, Z likes his space chicks.  He aint that kinky.

[ShotInTheDark]

Sorry I didnt highlight a quote, but as far as the cattle mutilations go Pimander, why on earth would they experiment and mutilate cattle and blame it on ETs as a cover, doesnt make sense.

If they wanted to experiment they could procure cattle and experiment in private without anyone knowing about it without going to all the trouble of doing it in a field and leaving the evidence behind.  That is just stupidity.

I agree 100% with you. Why not blame the mutilations on a predator ? Why blame it on ETs that draws attentions more then anything. If the Govt is behind cattle mutilations why not  raise cattle in a private area where there are no prying eyes or witnesses and mutilate cattle this way? I am with you 100% Biggles it makes no sense to me this is my opinion nothing more. 

[astr0144]

I am no expert on the Dulce  or Cattle Mutilation stories...

IF I recall Phil Schneider telling how he lost a finger in what he claimed was an attempt to enter a Alien Underground base..in a firefight with Aliens...which he survived and later he was murdered...

if he was lying about his story...and was later murdered...which seemed very  strange.

I can't recall the reasons suggested behind it unless it was GOV agencies shutting him up...or was done as an alternative cover up.

Then I recall seeing a UFO TV program which referred to MUFON...where a rancher kept finding dead cattle that had severely unexplained precision cut holes on parts of their bodies....and this initially was believed to be from Alien activity.... but later on it was noted that some sort of disguised helicopters had been involved in taking the ranchers cattle to dissect them and return them dead back to the ranchers land... It was suggested that this was done to try and scare the rancher and attempt to put him out of business...but I am not sure if there was some other motive behind it...

Admittedly upon seeing the cattle dissection markings...it was hard to understand how they had been done with such precision...and no doubt it is understood why people believed that it had been Alien intervention...

IF I am mistaken or overlooked something else...that has since changed these theories...that may prove that it has not been proven how or why this happened or that ET has been involved... then Id be curious to know more.

I stopped looking into Cattle mutilation stories after I had seen these reasons given in the TV program.

Trying to stay on Tall Whites topic..

With Ref to one of the UFO researchers mentioned...Linda Moulton Howe..

I found this which was in relation to a Pre UFO thread on the Baltic sea object....and she also discusses a visit that she made to Göbekli Tepe Turkey.. where she describes an unusual archaeological find that has some
tall stone humanoid figures....

Initially I was comparing to the tall whites figures that S.I.T.D posted on his thread earlier... but I am not sure if they compare.

Zorgon has done a great thread on it back in July 2012.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/08/RIR-120803.php

[A51Watcher]

Phil Schneider was as bogus as a 3 dollar bill.

For starters, google 'corbomite' which he claims to hold a piece in his hand.

There is plenty more if that is not enough, but is a sad waste of valuable time.



Sadly far too many people accept his claims at face value.

[astr0144]

Without going into a more detailed study...

I could not really find very much initially to disprove what I was led to believe..

I can see the basis behind his Corbomite element claim with ref to the 1st "star trek" episode..

But this may be similar to Bobs story where much was said about his element 115.

IF  I believe that Bobs story is likely to be true ( which I do so more since coming on PRC and meeting you with your related story !...) and that I would therefore have more belief that E.Ts exist on this planet..

Therefore I do not really see why I wouldn't believe Phil Schneiders story..

I suspect that there must be a much stronger reason as to why you do not believe it.. other than a claim of any element that did not exist.

IF there are DUMBs at Area 51 / S4 , why would there not be elsewhere or at Dulce !

[A51Watcher]

I suspect that there must be a much stronger reason as to why you do not believe it.. other than a claim of any element that did not exist.

Indeed there is. I knew Phil personally. I can tell you exactly where he got every piece of information he spouted.

If you notice, everything he says can be found elsewhere before he started doing the lecture circut. That is where he got it.


He lost his fingers while playing around with explosives as a kid.


The only "new" information he presented was his made up story of being in the firefight.

He got THAT from seeing Bob's information about the confrontation between the ETs and the security guard trying to bring bullets into their area, resulting in human deaths.

When he saw that he vowed vengeance if ever given the chance.


He was a well known pathalogical liar here locally long before he went on the lecture circut, which he did for deperately needed money.

He even bragged to me how great the money was on the lecture circut not long before he died.



Frankenstien Phil was close to death at all times what with the myriad of portable battery powered medical devices he carried around to keep him alive.

[biggles]

BTB we're not talking about Phil Schneider, dont know why he came into it.

[Pimander]

I agree 100% with you.

Why does that not surprise me?

Why not blame the mutilations on a predator ? Why blame it on ETs that draws attentions more then anything.

Last time somebody was this wilfully ignorant I started to think AFOSI again?  Its bloody well obvious and I already explained this!  If you don't understand this time you have no chance whatsoever in this field so pay attention...

A predator does not make cuts with surgical precision.  Surgical instruments do - so you cannot blame the mutilations on a predator.  Predators don't arrive in helicopters or Jeeps either.

They also wanted to discredit serious investigations of mutilations by attaching the study of mutilations to the lunatic fringe in the eye of the public so they rolled out the standard aliens BS.  The study is now considered "out there".  The ruse worked.  It also had the dual use of distracting Bennewitz from Kirtland.

We even already know for a fact that disinfo meisters Bill Moore and Rick Doty (also of Serpo) were involved without me detailing every persons involvement further.  Linda Moulton-Howe was taken to Kirtland by Doty and asked to lean in certain directions with her documentary about the mutilations in exchange for some aliens material that never appeared.  It just delayed the documentary and I think almost got the documentary pulled for Linda.

Why don't you ask John Lear or look it up?  This is all on record.

If the Govt is behind cattle mutilations why not  raise cattle in a private area where there are no prying eyes or witnesses and mutilate cattle this way?

Because you can't raise cattle all over the regions in and around every single test site all over the USA in private for generations.  It would cost billions!  there are ranches already there owned by ranchers so you have to covertly collect tissue from them. 

They needed tissue samples that had lived in and around the sites, and been exposed to whatever (radiation) for generations so cattle are the only higher mammal they could have used.  Cattle breed more regularly than humans, live in numbers at the sites, are easy to work on and are bit less of a serious undertaking than humans.

I am with you 100% Biggles it makes no sense to me this is my opinion nothing more. 

Well in that case you are either ignorant of the facts or in the wrong field.  That or worse.

If you ignore my points again then I'll explain to the membership exactly what that shows.  I have responded to the points you and Biggles made, in the manner of a reasoned debate.  Either engage with my clear and reasonable points or shut up.  Last time this happened it was that guy who runs the LazyGranch site who was pretending he knew what was in the sky at Area 51 years ago when he wasn't there.  This is such a vivid echo of that conversation - except this time it is on our site and I simply will not have it!


P.S. It is possible that the tissue samples were for studying the spread of something within the cattle population (biological test/leak, fallout or disease?) and not radiation studies.  I suspect perhaps both were looked at to save money.

[Pimander]

BTB we're not talking about Phil Schneider, dont know why he came into it.

Schneider was instrumental in disseminating this material all over the UFO scene.  He was full of sh1t.  Have you looked up Corbomite yet?

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Wasn't that the material of the corbomite bomb from Star Trek? Kirk bluffed his way out of a tight situation, threatening to blow up a Corbomite bomb and decimate an entire sector of space?....I knew I heard that somewhere.....