Decriminalisation of Drugs and Cannabis

[Pimander]

 

LMFAO


They say people believe what they want to.  Well this thread proves it.

[petrus4]

i didnt know mullien was smokable.i got twenty plants of it eight foot tall.i let it flower for the bees.i just let it grow wild in my garden .

It had only a positive effect on me, so I assume it is.  It is sold as a smoke in Nimbin.  That is how I got some.  It is a good expectorant.  They claim it can even strengthen the lungs, but being smoke, I do not know how that could be so.  Maybe as a tea.

[Pimander]

The Genotoxicity of Mainstream and Sidestream Marijuana and Tobacco Smoke Condensates.

Abstract

While the prevalence of tobacco use has decreased in Canada over the past decade, that of marijuana use has increased, particularly among youth. However, the risks of adverse health effects from marijuana smoke exposure, specifically as compared to tobacco, are currently not well understood. The objectives of this study were to evaluate the relative ability of matched marijuana and tobacco condensates to induce (geno)toxic responses in three in vitro test systems. This study provides comparative data for matched sidestream and mainstream condensates, as well as condensates prepared under both a standard and an extreme smoking regime designed to mimic marijuana smoking habits. The results indicate that tobacco and marijuana smoke differ substantially in terms of their cytotoxicity, Salmonella mutagenicity, and ability to induce chromosomal damage (i.e., micronucleus formation). Specifically, the marijuana condensates were all found to be more cytotoxic and more mutagenic in the presence of S9 than the matched tobacco condensates. In contrast, the tobacco condensates appeared to induce cytogenetic damage in a concentration-dependent manner, whereas the matched marijuana condensates did not. In addition, when corrected for total particulate matter yield, little difference was observed in the mutagenic activity of samples smoked under the extreme vs the standard regime for both tobacco and marijuana condensates.

Rebecca M Maertens, Paul A White, William Rickert, Genevieve Levasseur, George R Douglas, Pascale V Bellier, James P McNamee, Vidya Thuppal, Mike Walker, Suzanne Desjardins. The genotoxicity of mainstream and sidestream marijuana and tobacco smoke condensates. Chemical research in toxicology. 2009 Aug;22(: 1406-14

[Pimander]

Oh yes, hydrogen peroxide is a main cause of cancer from many types of smoke, including tobacco.

[Amaterasu]

And yet studies of long time, heavy smokers of cannabis show no deviation from Those who smoke nothing.  Hmmmm.

[Pimander]

And yet studies of long time, heavy smokers of cannabis show no deviation from Those who smoke nothing.  Hmmmm.

I will leave this discussion to you "experts".  Amy, sorry but I think you are in denial about tobacco and cannabis.

And I am not one of the people who think they should be criminalised.

[Amaterasu]

Any I suspect Your studies are not realistic...  Agree to disagree.  [smile]

[Pimander]

Agree to disagree.  [smile]

I think we can both live with that.

[Somamech]

I thought Pot was already decriminalsed... seems to be no shortage of it when I go searching odd gardening methods which spit me out on Pot growing forums LOL

Those folke are hardcore in growing methods to say the least LOL

[Primus58]

Cannabis can be very healing, however, not so much in the psychoactive state. Juicing raw cannabis has produced amazing results for some; the healing power is in the CBD's, not the heat-converted THC11. Lower heat conversions are healthier on the lungs such as vaporizers, even safer, ingestion. I've grown a powerful, F1 strain in hydro which was a mix of Indica and Sativa that was very close to the original strains of Thai. I stopped growing because it was too nerve wracking knowing it could land me in jail. Besides, I really didn't like getting high anymore, and, having ADD & Severe PTSD, the high complicated these issues. Texas is far behind Oregon which allows a card holder to grow plants and posses up to 24 ounces. Truthfully, most of the card holders just want to get high, they don't truly need it for medicinal purposes; but hey, that's okay, it's their life! I know the newer strains are far more powerful than that of the 70's. For some it's too powerful, especially bad for people with ADD or those who already have memory problems. The more powerful strains can be good or bad for those with PTSD, it affects everyone differently.
Now this is probably the best use for leaf:


The point is cannabis can heal, here is another story that needs to be told, Run from the Cure:


Here's a summary of the laws here in the States:
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881

[Littleenki]

Great post, Primus..been pot free for nearly a year now..feeling better every day.

Smoking anything inflames the inner parts of the esophagus, lungs and sinus, so it definitely is a battle between how much benefit is exhibited against how much damage is being done,

I liken it to running a car on Nitrous to win the race, but needing serious valve and tappet repair the week after.

I also found that as I got older, it gave me a paranoid feeling certainly due to the illegality of it, so I dont really miss it at all.

I am all for legalization, however, and if it were legal, I might even grow a bit for occasional usage..who knows...but never until then. Its not worth it when there are so many ways to heal the body through diet and excercise...however minimal.

Nowadays I eat my greens!LOL!

Cheers!

[Pimander]

Most plants can be toxic and healing depending on how they are used.  That is different to admitting they can heal but denying their harmful effects, of course.

[Amaterasu]

Cannabis can be very healing, however, not so much in the psychoactive state.  Truthfully, most of the card holders just want to get high, they don't truly need it for medicinal purposes;

You are aware that "just wanting to get high" is treating stress, right?

[Amaterasu]

Its not worth it when there are so many ways to heal the body through diet and excercise...however minimal.

Nowadays I eat my greens!LOL!

Cheers!

Sadly, eating greens does nothing to alleviate chronic pain.  SWIM uses it when She can get it for just that purpose.  She is in low-level pain 24/7.  And cannabis does WONDERS to ease that.  ONLY thing that is natural (or unnatural, for that matter) that does - and no negative side effects!

[Littleenki]

You are aware that "just wanting to get high" is treating stress, right?

Yep, thats true..self medicating!
LOL!