My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters

[undo11]

I have never said it was wrong for you to say it... again you are putting words in my mouth

A mistake I will not make again for obviously just because I replied to a post by you I must therefor automatically be addressing everything I say to be about you...

As I said I will not add disclaimers anymore... but from now on I will not quote any portion of your post in my replies as it is obvious you cannot separate the difference

Stop ASSUMING... if you need clarification on anything I say then just ask... be happy to clear it up for you

So you have said  and you also believe in Enki

Well I believe Jesus existed as a man that had learned the ancient secrets of the mystical orders and became Master in one... You believe he came from God...  I can see a huge difference here... but maybe that is just me?   

Sumerian

okay smarty pants.  i'm gonna do this to you one day and see if you don't get confused.  like if i responded to a post you made and then said "you don't have to be a rosicrucian to believe in jesus". don't tell me that you wouldn't think that was pointed at you. lol 

no squirmy. hold still. 

[zorgon]

Statement noted and filed for reference

What I am doing, is questioning the veracity of the information, since I don't know what it is, and have no way of finding out without joining.

Well as I have already pointed out you don't need to join anything to get the information. All the books of the Great masters are available in book stores, at Amazon and many since they are very old are online in PDF form at various university libraries. So saying you have to join is a strawman

In fact PRC and the Living Moon have them in our library... as fast as I can find them and process them

What you need to join for is to get the HANDS ON PRACTICE and that is for those who have decided that this path is for them.... 

I respect and admire the teachings of Tibetan Yogis.... that does not mean I am going to join a monastery and seal myself up in a cave to reach enlightenment... at least not this time around

It is sad that the Chinese under Mao destroyed all those monasteries and burned all those libraries though... a second Holocaust that came shortly after the one in Germany but didn't get the same coverage

So the only secrets withheld from non members is the METHOD of attaining the goals of that knowledge   and that requires a lifetime of dedication. 

But all the works from the ancient skills are available for the asking. It is the USE and INTERPRETATION that you join up to learn from a Master

I even have all the original works of Aleister Crowley in that collection... but I don't think I need to promote people taking the dARK pATH :d

And I don't want to join something that requires I make oaths not to reveal its secrets, so the entire point is literally moot as far as I'm concerned. Which is why you don't see me posting threads on the subject.   What do you see me posting about are topics I do have some solid information on. 

I don't recall ever having made an OATH... I DO recall being asked not to reveal the 'secrets' and allow the Masters to teach it properly

Is it a problem?

Only when one topic gets redirected into another topic. If someone makes a topic about Martian weather...   and people know nothing about Martian weather, is it wrong to expect those people not to change the subject to conditions in Atlantis under the sea?

And yes that is a generalized example

[undo11]

well let's put it this way,  the idea of having oaths is probably because there is information involved that is potentially dangerous, so naturally, i don't expect to find it in an online pdf.   i expect to see the "okay to show people" stuff.  the result is the same.   i don't know and to find out, i have to join and swear an oath, and i'm not going to do that. 

since i think jesus was of the atum, and that means he's a god and not just any god but one of the big three, and since i think he's alive, in a physical, divine body of some kind, at this very moment, i think asking him to tell me what i need to know, is a better idea anyway.  might not be the ideal route for data collection for some people, but it seems ideal to me.    i mean you can't go wrong asking the master directly now can ya?

[undo11]

Only when one topic gets redirected into another topic. If someone makes a topic about Martian weather...   and people know nothing about Martian weather, is it wrong to expect those people not to change the subject to conditions in Atlantis under the sea?

what's this referring to?   i don't recall talking about atlantis under the sea but it sounds interesting!

[zorgon]

like if i responded to a post you made and then said "you don't have to be a rosicrucian to believe in jesus". don't tell me that you wouldn't think that was pointed at you. lol 

Bad example  a belief in Jesus either as a man or son of god is not a prerequisite of being RC.

I don't take anything as "being directed at me" but at the same time anyone making a thread about Masons in general being MONSTERS is going to attract my attention  and comments

And frankly I don't care what anyone thinks but I will be more that happy to state my opinion without apology

Rosicrucians are a Philosophical and Initiate Organiazation...  not a Religion

[zorgon]

what's this referring to?   i don't recall talking about atlantis under the sea but it sounds interesting!

Well see I cannot make a general example comment that you can understand. No matter what I say you insist on taking it both literally and directed at you

Fine then I will be more direct.

The Christian Revival thread started by Rdunk to show the positive aspect of Christianity degraded into a thread on the Horror of the Islamic world.  Not sure who even started that switch in direction because Pimander was covering most of that, but TWICE that thread was completely steered away from the original point.

The point of the Martian/Atlantis comment is people that don't know about a specific topic should be able to show enough constraint to allow other to stay on topic and not engage with a totally off topic redirection ...

But I guess I might as well be speaking Elvish

Aa' menle nauva calen ar' ta hwesta e' ale'quenle

[zorgon]

Yogis Of Tibet (2002)- Full Movie

[undo11]

Bad example  a belief in Jesus either as a man or son of god is not a prerequisite of being RC.

lol wait for it.

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i wasn't talking to you.  it was a generalized question to just whoever (even though it was directed to you and in response to something you said).    ; )

admit it.  i gotcha on that one.  come on, you can be wrong once in awhile.  nobody's perfect, or are they?

[COSMO]

Yogis Of Tibet (2002)- Full Movie

Thanks for the link, I will watch that later.  But I would like to point out that the yogis of Tibet got their knowledge from Buddha, who was an Indian and studied the Vedas.  Generally speaking.....lol

[zorgon]

okay smarty pants. i'm gonna do this to you one day and see if you don't get confused.  like if i responded to a post you made and then said "you don't have to be a rosicrucian to believe in jesus". don't tell me that you wouldn't think that was pointed at you. lol 
no squirmy. hold still. 

Sorry no    the "smarty pants" was a direct reply to me and your use of the word you after that is in context referring to me...

If I am wrong... then tell me who "smarty pants" is

And yes I have been wrong many times... and have no issues saying so

But this is not one of those times

Now I need to go pick up my daughter and make food

So I leave yawl with some more Joyful tunes






FREE TIBET!!!

[petrus4]

I accept Zorgon's response to me.  My initial post in this thread was ego based.  This post is a re-write of an initial response to him, which was similarly ego-based, and I realised that removal of it was appropriate.

I accept, also, his charge of hypocrisy.  I need to work on figuring out how to serve my own intended purpose, without anger, and without egotism.  An excess of passion is an ongoing problem of mine; truthfully, it always has been.

[zorgon]

I accept Zorgon's response to me.  My initial post in this thread was ego based.  This post is a re-write of an initial response to him, which was similarly ego-based, and I realised that removal of it was appropriate.

I removed no post?   

I accept, also, his charge of hypocrisy.  I need to work on figuring out how to serve my own intended purpose, without anger, and without egotism.  An excess of passion is an ongoing problem of mine; truthfully, it always has been.

I only mentioned that because I recalled seeing the EYE on kali tears ago and it took only a few minutes to find it. The tongue sticking out on that image was shear serendipity

Things like that happen to me a lot

We ALL have Egos... heck I run around Las Vegas wearing a Crown and have people bow to me ; (willinly ) as I have bowed to my Peers

An Ego makes us what we are... and is a good thing... only an Ego that cannot see beyond the mirror is a problem

As for Masons... I am sure that some masonic or esoteric chapters do qualify as evil monsters . Don't forget that the Vril and the Thule societies were two that were not interested in the general good of the people

Now I will have to go see what post of yours was removed

[petrus4]

I removed no post?   

You didn't.  I did.  I made an initial response to you here, and then I removed it because I felt it was inappropriate.

[ArMaP]

No one see the significance of that?

I do not.

[thorfourwinds]

why are you not getting what i'm saying?  i'm speaking swahili or something?

Sumerian

Now, that was funny...


Z, thank you very much for the doors you have pointed to,
we look forward to the journey.   

The Cosmic Yin Yang is beautiful to behold!

There are probably many more peeps following this thread than apparent,
but many of us may be apprehensive of being trampled (again)
by the more paranoid 'unsure' posters - so repress posting
so as not to 'inflame' those who (wrongly) take everything personally
(again) and so goes ANOTHER thread...


So slyly one inserts references to 'hobbit...'   
JRRT certainly is entertaining.   


Peace Love Light

tfw   

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