My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters

[Lunica]

for anybody that hasn't watched this video, linked in the first page of the thread,  or were not thrilled with the gentleman's delivery (voice,  in this example), you just gotta watch this video and over look any aggravation so you can realize what he is saying!



he has proven, that the surface area of every megalithic monument is exactly equal to its distance in degrees, from giza!   holy tunafish!

holy tunafish! Indeed

First time this year I was seriously Baffled For all those years I missed THIS ?

Thanks Beth 

Edit: @ArMaP -  This is the real deal... really

[Littleenki]

I knew all you guys and gals would love Mr Munck, hes a favorite of mine!:D
Le

[Somamech]

Soma, please make that effort to get back to your qigong...you can do it sitting down and save that knee my friend!
I often do it while sitting or on my arse, and it gives me the total effect, sans the burning shins!LOL!
I just leave out the leg parts which in basic qigong arent really very necesary for the mind, just the body.

I hope you can find the strength to continue, mate,it makes a big difference in the day

Cheers!
Le

LE LOL

I had a run of big accidents in the last year, one being caught in a tram track on my bike which was utterly bizzare how that became better nearly over night once i decided to bite the bullet to see a Qigong master here in Oz.  I kid you not thats how it worked, once i made the desicion to do that against my better judgement I got better and could roll out of bed without chest pain. 

I laughed a lot because my problem doenst lay in Standing Meds... Its the dang sitting ones that will be hard to do.  My right knee cannot extend into lotus.  Like you said though I have heard on my chosen practise that the effects can work just as well sat in a chair

I'm of the the belief that the Taiwan Qigong dude can sort out that knee for me though

[Lunica]

I knew all you guys and gals would love Mr Munck, hes a favorite of mine!:D
Le

I have some things to watch and read the upcoming time. 

[ArMaP]

Im not much of a math guy, but if you pause the film at the mathy parts and do the math yourself, it does work out...amazing.

I have only watched the first 10 minutes, and the way he "proves" that they had a system to make those monuments in specific places is a little strange. As we know, if we multiply 360 by 60 we get the number of minutes (coordinates), so it's easy to get any place close to 21600, 2160, etc.

For example, where I live (Almada): 38º 40' 40.89''  38*40*40.89=62152.8 -> not good
But if we do it the opposite way we will get the coordinates for one of those monuments near me (there isn't any, really, but there was a neolithic community a few km to the south of where I live.

Let's try 21600. 21600/38=568.42 568.42/40=14.21 According to this, the nearest monument south of where I live would be at 38º 40' 14.21''. Let's see north of where I live.
21600/38=568.42 568.42/41=13.86 meaning 38º 41' 13.86''.

The distance between those two points (according to Google Earth) is 1839.77 metres.

Let's try a different place.

21600/51=423.52  423.52/29=14.60 -> 51º 29' 14.60''
Now north of that point: 21600/51=423.52 423.52/30=14.11 -> 51º 30' 14.11''
This last coordinate is inside Buckingham palace's garden.

The distance between those two points is: 1839.52 metres.

So, with that method, he divided the Earth in parallels that are 1839.5 (roughly) metres away from each other, so it's not hard to find some monument in such an arrangement.

Now I have to look at the rest of his calculations.

[Pimander]

b}  That even further than this, they have specifically and deliberately sought to organise mainstream human society in a manner that is in direct opposition to said principles, thus largely ensuring its' annihilation.

Wrong.  And I speak as a non-Freemason, although my Grandfather was a senior Mason.

Freemasons are traditionally closely allied to socialist and democratic principles.  They are traditionally opposed to Plutocratic and undemocratic regimes and were behind movements like the Fabian Society, the French revolution (against Monarchy), the founding of the United States of America (fundamentally democratic) and the rise of Marxism (NOT SOVIET STALINISM!) - which for most of the last century was the only serious challenger to the abomination known as capitalism.  Even the Templars and associated Chivalric Orders (where much of Masonry descends from) were persecuted due to their opposition to the Roman Papacy (i.e. they OPPOSED IMPERIALISM)

However, some sections of Masonry were hijacked by Royal causes (in England leading to the United Grand Lodge of England) and obviously within Capitalism the power invested in many lodges have led to many evil acts from groups of Masons.  But Masonry is not a single entity and has never been so for centuries.  If there is a united grand conspiracy leading to annihilation of the human  race then it simply does not originate from or reside within Freemasonry.

Look to roughly 300 ruling families (many with "Royal" blood) and you will find your conspirators.  Many of them may be Freemasons and they may have a great deal of influence over many Masons.  Their conspiracy is not in essence Masonic though.  They are probably delighted with conspiracy theorists for this diversion and promote the idea that the conspiracy is Masonic for very obvious reasons - primarily because Freemasonry is essentially, by virtue of its principles, the most likely source of serious opposition to their long term goals.

[undo11]

pim

i dont think freemasons are historically democratic. i think they were intent on having the ability to forge their own destinies something socialism does not allow for.

[Pimander]

i dont think freemasons are historically democratic. i think they were intent on having the ability to forge their own destinies something socialism does not allow for.

Historically no organisation was.  But they introduced democracy for the masses to the modern world.

In what way would a socialist society stop somebody forging their own destiny? 

Remember real socialism aims to create a fair society where nobody is allowed to exploit others or own your labour or means of production.  Surely that facilitates freedom if it is not polluted by power brokers.  And yes, I know about human nature - that is why we make laws.  Laws can either promote or suppress freedom - that is nothing to do with socialism as a way of ordering society.

[undo11]

Historically no organisation was.  But they introduced democracy for the masses to the modern world.

In what way would a socialist society stop somebody forging their own destiny? 

Remember real socialism aims to create a fair society where nobody is allowed to exploit others or own your labour or means of production.  Surely that facilitates freedom if it is not polluted by power brokers.  And yes, I know about human nature - that is why we make laws.  Laws can either promote or suppress freedom - that is nothing to do with socialism as a way of ordering society.

socialism allows the government to exploit your labor.  so you just trade your uncle frank, who hires you to supply his painting company with paintbrushes, for some guy who thinks of you as a number in a sea of numbers, could care less if you are happy or not, has no real interest in what you would like to do, and basically locks you into doing what they say you are qualified for, whether they are right or wrong.

[Pimander]

socialism allows the government to exploit your labor.

No it does not.  It allows nobody to PROFIT from your labour.  Socialism is collectively owning things not exploiting people.

so you just trade your uncle frank, who hires you to supply his painting company with paintbrushes, for some guy who thinks of you as a number in a sea of numbers, could care less if you are happy or not, has no real interest in what you would like to do, and basically locks you into doing what they say you are qualified for, whether they are right or wrong.

Any viable modern form of socialism would have to encourage small businesses.  The aim would be to take massive enterprises that exploit thousands of people into public ownership and properly regulate them.  Also in todays world, with modern technology nobody would have to work many hours at all if labour was distributed fairly.

The idea that anyone would be forced or "locked" into a job is a nothing to do with a particular political system (except perhaps Fascism or Feudalism).  It should not be allowed in any system as it is slavery. You have workfare in the States don't you (working for benefits and doing the poopty jobs)?  Prison labour?  Is the USA not meant to be the epitome of capitalist freedom?  You have millions of unemployed.  Why?  Because under Capitalism there is no way to distribute wealth and labour fairly.  The solution?  Drop Capitalism but KEEP DEMOCRACY!

However you try to dress it up, capitalism will always tend towards more and more unfair distribution of labour and wealth.  It is not healthy.

[undo11]

another problem with democracy is that it is mob rule. 
islam is based on socialism.  50% or more, here comes
the sharia law.
mob rule has historically shown its head in places like
witch burnings, lynch mobs, the terror of the french revolution,
and etc. if sufficiently manipulated, mob rule can be used to
convince large groups of people to vote for the deprivation
of people they don't agree with on  any topic, whatsoever.
nope, never give government that kind of freedom, cause
it will abuse it.

[sky otter]

just my two cents here..ignore if you like

democracy is great when it works correctly

socialism is great when it works correctly

the problem is not the system
the problem is when people get a bit of power they mostly abuse it
and when the next guy sees it they say..hey i want mine
then it all goes to hell as everyone grabs for a piece

it's the old saying like
it's not the gun that is the problem..it's the person holding the gun

as long as folks have choices..to help themselves or to help others
sadly most will take the easiest route

sometimes i really do hate to admit i'm human

sigh

[Littleenki]

just my two cents here..ignore if you like

democracy is great when it works correctly

socialism is great when it works correctly

the problem is not the system
the problem is when people get a bit of power they mostly abuse it
and when the next guy sees it they say..hey i want mine
then it all goes to hell as everyone grabs for a piece

it's the old saying like
it's not the gun that is the problem..it's the person holding the gun

as long as folks have choices..to help themselves or to help others
sadly most will take the easiest route

sometimes i really do hate to admit i'm human

sigh

Silly Sky Otter, youre an Otter remember!:D

Humans aspire to dream about being an Otter..what a lofty goal for us!

Last night I had an Otter dream, as I do often, them being my favorite living creature and all, and he was just following me along in the water as I swam, as they do in the rivers here in Florida. Then a friend came along and picked him or her up and the Otter seemd to like the attention for a bit then squirmed and got away.

Weird dream, but what it represents now I see is that youve pulled away from the conversations here with a wise short post which envelops the rights and wrongs of all political systems.

Any political ideology can be effected without too much disdain and disagreement, aside from a few like marxism and communism....which may work with the right applcation....and become a balanced state.

Where said state goes wrong is when you mix in a couple loonies who have ulterior motives and sick agendas, and it all goes to he!!.

We should allow the government to hold the gun, but not without the safety on, until a safe feel for it has been established, and with our current way of flipping and flopping back and forth from one to the other, its no wonder weve shot ourselves in the foot...and every other body part as well.

Freemasonry is just another ideal, like the rest, albeit with the origins of knowledge in the right place for the most part.

You certainly are a wise Otter;)

Cheers!
Le

[Pimander]

if sufficiently manipulated, mob rule can be used to
convince large groups of people to vote for the deprivation
of people they don't agree with on  any topic, whatsoever.
nope, never give government that kind of freedom, cause
it will abuse it.

I agree with this.  That is why a good constitution (no written one here in the UK!) is also important.

What I see happening in many countries though is Police states where official secrecy (and wars) allows governments to do unconstitutional things so unfortunately the constitution applies to every citizen but not to the Government as an entity.  This gives governments (socialist, fundamentalist AND capitalist) more power than its citizens even when there is so called democracy.

[guerande]

Almada ... make me think of Lisboa, one of the most nice town in Europe !
and I know most of the european capitals ...
Armap, you're lucky !
If one day I m going throught Lisboa,  may I ring ? and we'll maybe have a
ginja ? 
I've allways been in love with Portugal, since my buzziness with that country
forty years ago - OMG