New Moon Anomaly

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Well I managed to download the 6.6 gig jpeg2000 file and man what a difference the Hi-Res viewer makes. I'm pretty sure its a photo glitch. The anomaly actually continues on to the upper left dark area and you can see that it's on top of the photo rather being in the photo if you know what I mean. I've taken screen shots of both areas but unfortunately I guess my cable company didn't like me taking all that ban width cause now I can't upload anything. So you'll have to take my word for it. I'll try tomorrow to upload the screen shots for you.

[A51Watcher]

Now, about the anomaly. As Sgt.Rocknroll said, if it was on the Moon's surface it should brighten things up, at least a little, and we cannot see anything like that.

Oh great. I thought Armap would pop up and say oh yeah that's this caused by that, and have several examples ready. 

So much for that, looks like everyone is stumped.

Ok sure a camera glitch that performs Kirlian phtography.


I'm liking Le's idea of frakking, which would also help explain the TLP or 'galloping volcanoes' that have been seen and reported for many decades now by observers.


If it's a camera malfunction, I would really like to see some examples of this type.


As to Sgt. Rocks point about lighting up the area (which may end up being correct), I would point to how the 'cloud' (or double exposure) can be seen on top of the surface and a few craters, indicating height of an unknown value. Perhaps the height is too far up to light up the ground.

I am as stumped as everyone else and open to all suggestions.

[A51Watcher]

Well I managed to download the 6.6 gig jpeg2000 file and man what a difference the Hi-Res viewer makes. I'm pretty sure its a photo glitch. The anomaly actually continues on to the upper left dark area and you can see that it's on top of the photo rather being in the photo if you know what I mean. I've taken screen shots of both areas but unfortunately I guess my cable company didn't like me taking all that ban width cause now I can't upload anything. So you'll have to take my word for it. I'll try tomorrow to upload the screen shots for you.

Great! I look forward to it. 

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Hey there, 6.6 image is big! DO they have them for all the other Apollo images - like the ones in Alan Strums ULO book?

[1Worldwatcher]

Some very good explanations thus far, as LE has pointed out, but still think it is a "Plasma burst/release/emission" though.
I f John was right about the moon having a semi compatible atmosphere, then that would explain the the double exposure/ghost/Ionization affect around the object of discussion.
Another thing too consider is that we are experiencing an extreme amount of Solar activity via CME's/Solar max/EM fluxes which in all possibilities would and could cause difference's with in the CMB's are ready present in the Universe.
The "Photo Glitch" explanation is a possibility, but I have not ran across anything like it in anything I have looked at so far, but then as most of us here have already admitted "Not really a photographer or Video Guru either".
"Fracking" really got my attention, because this too would be a circumstance of intelligent involvement for this happening. If LE is right, this means Johns theories of the mining on the Moon are more feasible than ever. it would be the "Court of Law" kind of evidence that would put a cab-bash on the whole thing being nothing more than a theory. I am anxiously awaiting for Sgt.'s and A51's contacts for validation, but for now "WOW!" is all I can say.
If this is a Plasma discharge, and the Ionization is what we are seeing, and the Fracking that would cause such an event, and it would also support that the Lunar surface 'DOES' support an atmosphere of sorts, it would put too rest all the Nay-Sayer's of Johns Proposed theories of the Lunar surface being mined,. "By who?" Thats another question all in it's own, but would have to side with "Not Us" as an explanation.
Have too wait for the experts here to draw a definitive conclusion on this one, one heck of a catch though for sure!

1Worldwatcher

[deuem]

I would still hold out on this one, that much light should brighten up the place. If this is light from a Moon source I would expect to see more of a light bloom around the flash and even see into the crater. The only other thing, would be some kind of smoke or cloud that is being lit up by the Sun. That would only self iluminate. So, I would bet on it being a glitch followed by a smoke plume. I would not bet on anything electrical.
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If that crater was lit up, yes!

Deuem

[rdunk]

While looking closely at this anomaly photo, I decided to take a look at the next /adjacent Apollo photo in this series -  AS16-P-4097.

While looking at that photo, I saw another anomaly that I will add to this thread. While it is a part of the "black and white", looking closely a vertical structure can be seen. It may be cylindrical, and it does have a spherical shape on its top. It does seem to be standing between two vertical  opposing vertical walls, with maybe a wall also on the nearside.

An interesting anomaly, and there may be others right here, in this area.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS16-P-4097

[Pimander]

Plasma in a vacuum

It isn't a vacuum if there is plasma there.

[rdunk]

As A51 mentioned a ways back, the "lighting" of the crater walls by the discharge light, would be relative to its distance from the walls.

Does anyone here know how far away this light is, from the crater wall - This photo was taken at an altitude of about 71 miles, and even at that altitude, we can still see the light of the discharge in the photo. So, this thing could be quite large, from 100's of feet to several miles tall.

I suppose this light might be 1,000 feet from the wall, or it might be 5 miles, or maybe  10 miles from the crater wall. 

It really is a little difficult to reason with how this lights up the walls, if we don't know its size and proximity to the surface areas.

It does seem to provide significant light to its immediate area.

[A51Watcher]

If this is a camera glitch I would think it is a buildup and release of static electricity as Armap proposed, as opposed to a malfunction that released voltage.

If we could get a picture or diagram of the construction of this camera it would be a big help.


A large central zap of static surrounded by smaller ones is one possible explanation for such a double exposure being created I suppose.

But clearly part of the anomaly is overlaid on top of the surface image.

The straight line Deuem mentioned is indeed suspicious to a processor, but not enough to be a deal breaker.


I am still open to any explanation either way.

Certainly is an odd one not seen before.

[deuem]

Yea, A51, that straight line and no surface flash is not going to make this photo get into the Hall of records.

On Earth a lightning flash lights up everything at night like daylight for miles on end. With zero or a little atmosphere it should flash for tens of miles. We should see the crater lit up with a real nice pattern.

I have not run this photo with Deuem yet because it is Black and White but I could if you want. If it is a camera film problem it will have zero lines or rings. The rings will stop at the light. See if ArMaP wants to run the PMV. This will stop or continue this issue. Either his PMV or Deuem would show a light pattern well outside the white area. If it is a film failure there is no extra rings all over the film.

Deuem

[spacemaverick]

May I offer another explanation?  Could this be a film blemish?
I offer the following link which indicates that blemishes do happen during film processing.

http://apollo.sese.asu.edu/ABOUT_SCANS/index.html

These are apollo pictures but ASU says that film blemishes do happen.  Could be static electricity that made an impression on the film.  Not throwing water on anyones suggestions but offering one of my own.

[rdunk]

Hi spacemaverick! Well, I will let the "experts" decide on what the experts think about what this is.

But, if we count, there are 15 or 16 individual pieces in this photo, plus the very so obvious light, which steals the "show'. While many of these pieces are similar, each one is absolutely different. And the two very large pieces we can see to the rear are entirely different from the others, in shape and form.

While photo glitches probably do occur, the detail in this photo gets pretty complicated, if we try to make this whole thing "glitch related", don't you think? 

This camera took a lot of pics on this same day, and others. Maybe one of us can find another similar occurrence, to help validate it, one way or the other. This one is a proverbial "needle in a haystack" anyway, so , probably won't be easy to find another, even if there is one!!

[Littleenki]

Right on rdunk! I bet NASA is looking feverishly for another one like it right now!

Le

[rdunk]

Well, another thing on this light discharge anomaly. No one else speaks to this, but I did mention it in the other anomaly I posted just above. and that is "artificial shadowing"

When I looked at this pic again, and thinking about others comments about "no lighted crater walls"., I started looking at the shadowing here. And............,, I noticed that it too looks as if it has been applied. Again, I am no expert, nor even shadow novice, but, in a place like this, me thinks there should be no shadows with long straight-line edges, Whatever on the moon could make a long precise straight-line shadow??

Well, in this photo piece with the discharge, the shadow is very black, and notice that the long right-hand edge of it is perfectly straight. Impossible for that to happen ------ probably not, but, where is the hill or crater, right here, that will make that kind of shadow??

The shadow looks applied, at least in part, to me!! And if that is the case, then no wonder that the crater walls don't seem to be lighted by the flaring discharge.

But then, that, OF COURSE, would raise another question or related statement - - if NASA were trying to hide stuff, then why would they not get the flare covered up??  And that would be easy to answer - - the dumb butts just missed it!!

Just more thoughts!

Here is A51's link to the pic, if anyone wants to look at this shadow edge. You do have to magnify it several times to get it to where you can actually view the shadow straight edge (after you find the flare in the pic - lol).

http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/apollo/view?image_name=AS16-P-4095