No War? Something Is Wrong

[zorgon]

I am  utterly amazed by one thing: that No One seems to observe the critical problem posed by Islam, as a threat to the entire world, namely suicide bombing.  Put increasing technology into the hands of these people and the world ends, period

Extreme Islamic terrorists are a very small percentage of the Muslim population. I have many Muslim friends and contacts and they have no love for terrorism any more than we do. And most don't hate Americans as some would have you believe.

This hit me like a ton of bricks after 9/11 and I sincerely believe it is THE explanation ( that can't be discussed openly) that explains why we keep invading and fooling around in the Muslim world - as well as why the PTB elected a 'kinda, sorta, Muslim' President to office.

I think you will find that not many here accept the official story on 9/11

[Eighthman]

I understand that suicide bombers are a minority but the problem still stands.  Today, we observe evidence of coming failure in Afghanistan because Afghan trainees can't be trusted with a gun, much less anything else.

The various interpretations of 9/11 do not nullify the phenomena of suicide bombing.  It also gets surpressed as with an Egyptian airliner crash some years ago, in which the Mubarak regime couldn't admit that the pilot deliberately killed everyone, including a large number of Israelis on board (motive).

Suicide bombers in WW2 (Kamikazis) were seen with horror in the US.

Extrapolating this further into the future, I see this murderous phenomena as proof that the human race MUST develop some sort of ESP facility or face practical extinction.  I know that may seem like a leap but putting more and more powerful technology into the hands of individuals makes this inevitable, in my view. 

Clinton said, "I feel your pain", likely as glibly empathic. I assert this might need to be literally true, someday, or we will destroy ourselves.

If aliens do interfere with nukes, I'd be interested in what their long term plan for us is.  This can't go on forever.

[Primus58]

Greetings Eighthman (emo icon for your second language x 2 )

You pose a good question; after all, many in this world probably have some level of anxiety because of the 'rumors of wars', which also affects our economies. I believe the PTB are divided, which Zorgon pointed out in another thread. Your thought on the PTB adopting an Israeli idea of maintaining warring factions is right on, this is one reason we don't see a Pan Arab unification; the other reason being they've been fighting for a few millennia anyway.

I think the majority of Muslims would prefer a peaceful coexistence with other cultures and religions. It seems the extremist who are fascist get all the press... is that because our media in the western world needs an enemy? Or is it because they really are a threat; if so, have the radical fringes of Islam hijacked their religion to the point where they insist on Sharia law being implemented in other countries?

Your amazement is shared by many, but, because of Political Correctness, we won't hear the voice of those who see a juggernaut coming at us. They are a threat without increased technology, but with it they have a force multiplier. Odds are they've got what they need after the break up of the Soviet Union. As for the bible quotes, well, one can argue the bible has prophesied much of this, and those who do would tell you the real PTB is the true power behind its word.

Finally, I fully agree with Skyotter's quote: "don't waste your time talking about it.... work to prevent it by lining up your energy with positive things..war is not what we need right now love ~ truth ~joy....those are the things to be sought!"

[SarK0Y]

Talk about a 'disturbance in the force' !   

Where's WW3?  Threat, threat, threat.  Israel, Iran, Israel, Iran, Threat, threat, threat - and still no war.

How many years will this go on?  The PTB seem to want a war but suffer from martial erectile dysfunction.

My point is: this endless threat and delay suggest that the Illuminati/Cabal/PTB aren't all that powerful.  Something is killing their 'schedule' - aliens, perhaps?

This continuing situation should provoke skepticism about various insider testimony, nicht wahr?

Eighthman, all-that has simple explanation: to provide war needs to've firm backyard, but Climatic & Technological issues have made absolutely impossible even to dream about Hottie  WWIII 

[Eighthman]

I hesitate to point this out but some Ascension-types assert that there won't be any Big War 'cause the ET's ain't havin' it.

As skeptical as I am about the Ascension ideas, I do wonder if there could be a general veracity to some of their notions, as if they were picking up part of a collective unconscious, or psychic intent.

For example, they seem to be spot on as regards the governance of our globe, looking to the Banksters and Corporate types as supreme, rather than the marionette political leaders. 

I'm not sure that the military has anything effective against deep installations in Iran, anyway.  Unless I'm mistaken, neither particle beam weapons nor Rods From God  nor nuclear munitions are gonna do it.  This may be why it's all been threat and no action.

Unless you're gonna get all ultradimensional and just pop up in their deep facilities...... 

[zorgon]

As skeptical as I am about the Ascension ideas, I do wonder if there could be a general veracity to some of their notions, as if they were picking up part of a collective unconscious, or psychic intent.

There is NO WAY 99.8% of humanity is anywhere near being ready for Ascension. Ascension is like graduating from University...  most people on Earth are still at Kindergarten Level...

And don't count on ET to give us a free ride to get there, as that would defeat the whole purpose of Ascension.

Those promoting that we will all Ascend in the near future are just lazy wannabes that think ET will solve all their problems and put them at the head of the class without having to actually learn anything

Sorry if that bursts anyone's bubble. 

[undo11]

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well considering class sounds like the tower of babel on steroids, and everyone is absolutely sure their version is the correct one, i'm going with the idea that if they don't put us all at the head of the class with like auto knowledge of what it all meant, then something is seriously wrong with the universe at a level much deeper than human foibles.

[sky otter]

zorg.. i do agree with you..
but
yeah.. i know always a but in there 

i do believe that while we are not really ascending..as prescribed by many
and the et's of anywhere are not going to save anyone
and that religion is a trap

i do feel..very strongly that those who are working at it
..will be given a chance for knowledge that is not otherwise accessible

i don't call that ascension..but some might

and golly gee.. i don't think it will be the meek or the good hearted ONLY...
i feel it will be those prepared to recognize what will be availiable

where humanity goes from there is anyones guess

but hey.. just my opinion..as ususal

[Eighthman]

I just want to say that I appreciate this sort of discussion as what I've been looking for, in which differing viewpoints are vigorously defended in a tactful manner ( unlike 'suck it, doomtard', elsewhere)

I have some trouble understanding the view of those who put some sort of moral training above practical adjustments, in regard to 'fixing ' what's wrong with humans.  Reincarnation, if true, looks very ineffective and sloppy as to recalling that which you're supposed to improve on, This Time.

I am sorely tempted by the thought that all we need 'to straighten out and fly right" would be some ESP and a Free Energy gadget or two.

[hoss58]

Lou Baldin:    " No one is on earth because they are angels, we are on earth because we are not. People on earth hate those in charge, and sometimes with good reason. Nevertheless, hate is the key difference. Good people hate no one, not even the bad people. Bad people hate almost everyone, especially the good people, or anyone in charge."



Hoss:Lou has also stated that we are not here to change the world, we are here to be changed by the world .            IE: to learn to live with integrity, without envy ,hate or greed !!

[rdunk]

Well of course, for we Christians, life, and ascension/rapture of the Church, is pretty well laid out in God's Word for us. So, nothing for us (we Christians) to be concerned about in that regard.

For sure, the time for that "happening" appears imminent to many Christians, on the basis of prophesy relative to current events. But only God knows when that will happen - today, tomorrow, next year, or years from now!!

J-FWIW!

[zorgon]

i don't call that ascension..but some might

It's called Awakening but yeah some might call it Ascension

... but those people are in for a very rude Awakening

Sorry no Rapture Today

[rdunk]

Sorry no Rapture Today

YET TODAY!   

[petrus4]

I must say that I am surprized by the divergence of opinion here and the degree of Bible quoting I observe.

Although I didn't attend seminary in formal terms, I was given what I consider to have been a good informal background in  theological debate, on IRC between 1994-1998 or so.  I've also been reading the Bible since probably the age of 6, although I haven't read it regularly now for probably 15 years.  I consider myself to have a more advanced understanding of Christian theology, than roughly 95-98% of Christians; and my own study has taken me to the Essenic/Nag Hammadi texts as well. 

I've looked at elements of Christianity that exist in places where orthodox Christians do not want to go.  The majority of Jesus' quotations actually exist outside of the Nicean canon; and you have to be willing to go outside of said canon itself, if you want to find them.  You also need to largely abandon the idea that the Bible is infallible, and instead rely on empiricism and a lot of deductive reasoning.  Christians are generally not willing to do that, and they have been taught that to do so is satanic.

Christianity is as spiritually legitimate a path as any, once a lot of its' overgrowth has been swept away; but the filtration process requires a lot of courage, all false modesty aside.  It also requires not only being told that you are going to Hell, but to reconcile yourself with that genuine possibility. 

I've had dreams which possibly were not dreams at all; which contained heat, and red stone, and writhing bodies, and my being caged alongside black things whose forms I could not directly focus on, because my mind could not handle them.  It was said that Jesus sank into Hell, and then rose back to Earth from it, before ascending into Heaven.  My own experience suggests that Christianity requires its' adherents to actually do likewise.

I'm not eager for war - I'm just puzzled by the endless delay of what some think to be inevitable.

I do not believe that nuclear war is going to be allowed to occur; I've seen other evidence which strongly suggests that some of the ETs who are present here, will not allow it, because it is the one form of activity which we can engage in, with the ability to negatively affect them.  Conventional invasion will most likely be allowed, but nuclear war will not.  Nuclear detonations create interdimensional holes, which as mentioned, detrimentally affect more people than just us.

If I come across a little odd in the sentiments I express, it's probably because I was a bit Asperger's in my youth and it still takes some effort to fit in.  I call it learning "Emotion As A Second Language".

The greatest lie that psychiatry tells autistic individuals, is that neurotypicals are perfect, and we are not.  While I do have some social problems of my own, my inability to fit in, is as much due to my intolerance of mainstream moral degeneracy, as it is to my own issues.

I am  utterly amazed by one thing: that No One seems to observe the critical problem posed by Islam, as a threat to the entire world, namely suicide bombing.  Put increasing technology into the hands of these people and the world ends, period.

As I have already mentioned, use of nuclear weaponry will not be permitted, beyond an exceedingly small degree.  In conventional terms, my own projection for a worst case scenario in terms of Islamic expansion, (that is, total social and political planetary takeover) still gives us an ETA of around three generations, or roughly 90 years from current date; possibly a bit less.  They will need that much time in order to gain a uniform numerical advantage of roughly 5:1, relative to the non-Islamic population.  While the Islamic encroachment is progressing steadily, yes, it is nowhere near as rapid as some would have you believe.

While I feel that we are likely past the point of no return, with regards to a complete Islamic takeover, we currently have much larger environmental problems to deal with, which will have potentially lethal consequences of their own, long before the Islamic infestation becomes a truly serious problem. 

We have time to deal with the Muslims yet.  We won't be able to prevent them from gaining a population advantage of at least 4-5:1 in their favour, no; but said advantage will take a few generations to truly arrive, as mentioned.  We can use that time to make ideological inroads.  I believe, at this point, that internal Islamic reform, is probably our best hope; and that is where we need to focus the majority of our efforts, as far as averting a total Islamic planetary assimilation is concerned.

Tactically speaking, Muslims tend towards cowardice.  They generally will not commence violent takeover of a previously non-Islamic area, until they have a numerical advantage of at least 3:1, relative to the non-Islamic population.  This is a weakness, and it can be exploited, if it is known about.

[micjer]

Sorry no Rapture Today

How about the next comet??