No War? Something Is Wrong

[kdog]

It's called Awakening but yeah some might call it Ascension

... but those people are in for a very rude Awakening

Sorry no Rapture Today

Damn,I always wanted to fly free.
There is tomorrow,though!

[undo11]

My own experience suggests that Christianity requires its' adherents to actually do likewise.

been there, done that.  not doing it again just so i can satisfy each new person who wants to see anyone with the notion of christianity attached, suffer.  had enough suffering in my life to satisfy everyone who has ever wanted revenge for anything.  all ya need to do is review my life, and if you wanted revenge against a christian, you'll be more than satisfied.  like a nice tasty meal of what you hate about being human, and how easy it is to blame it on someone else.    if one viewing isn't enough, push the replay review button, don't ask me to do it all over again.

once is enough for me though,  thank you

[Eighthman]

I am very surprized to find Bible quoting types here.  My reason why concerns the arguments made about 200 years ago by Thomas Paine in "The Age Of Reason" in which he dismisses the Bible because of his belief in a "plurality of worlds".

I still have great respect for Christianity and think that , if it had never existed, we wouldn't be typing on computers today. Other cultures just remain static across centuries - or degenerate after hiting a high spot, such as Confusian China or Muslim Caliphates.

We have no way to stand outside our world and judge exactly what our circumstance is.  Are angels and demons just spacemen in disguise?

A little known fact:  the "star" that the Magi followed is said to be more properly translated as "stood above" where the young child Jesus was i.e. it hovered above, as a light in the sky.

[rdunk]

I am very surprised to find Bible quoting types here.  My reason why concerns the arguments made about 200 years ago by Thomas Paine in "The Age Of Reason" in which he dismisses the Bible because of his belief in a "plurality of worlds".

Hi Eighthman,! You really should not be too surprised at anything you might see relative to people's religious ideas. I recently posted here a screenshot depicting most, if not all, of the different "gods" that the ancient Egyptians had worshipped - 29 different gods I think. And the rest of the world has also worshiped gods of about every sort that one could imagine, that is, except for the pure atheists.

One thing man has proven and that is, man can well believe anything he wants to. Just as you said about Thomas Paine, "he dismisses the Bible because of his "belief" in a "plurality of worlds" - that is HIS BELIEF, a type of god even, for him.

For sure, man in general, has been rejecting the God of this universe - the God in the Bible - for a long long time. God has had problems even with his own people, and has dealt with that numerous times.

As this God is the basis of all that Christians believe, then all that choose to reject this God, reject Christians likewise. But, many who reject God, still do continue to search for that "explainable" higher power, to satisfy a certain human need of life, something to "believe in".

So, yes, you may see a scripture mentioned here at he forum, every now and then, when things get  a little deep into what man believes about things!

   

[sky otter]

As this God is the basis of all that Christians believe, then all that choose to reject this God, reject Christians likewise

rdunk
pardon me for pointing this out..but you really need to add a little blurp there that says
in my opinion..because otherwise you are just poking up the fires of unneeded and going nowhere argument

i don't read any of your religious stuff cause there is no sense to wasting either or our time going round and round with our discortant belief/non belief systems
i truly respect that we are different and am totally fine with that
but
that statement, my friend , is just a bit over the top and in my most un~humble opinion..not true

[rdunk]

Sky, sorry, this wasn't directed at anyone!!! This is a fairly logical statement, that seems to make logical sense --- However, I should have said it this way, to say what I intended -  "as this God is the basis for all that Christians believe, then all that choose to reject this God, would also reject what all Christians "BELIEVE". 

I wasn't saying that anyone would reject Christian people, just that if one rejects the God of Christian , then it also pretty much means the Christian faith is rejected too, don't you think? 

And I too would suggest that everyone skip posts in which there is no interest! That is what I do, for sure!

[sky otter]

rdunk

thank you for clarifing your statment to
then all that choose to reject this God, would also reject what all Christians "BELIEVE".  

and yes i can agree with that

i find myself reading my posts and thinking it makes perfect sense..lol..and it mostly does to me.. except my spelin is auful..lol.. but then someone else reads it and gets a totally different meaning ...
i have this framed saying beside my desk it goes like this

I know
you believe you understand
what you think i said,
but I'm not sure you relaize
that what you heard is not what i meant.!



big hugs for not taking offense   

[zorgon]

God has had problems even with his own people, and has dealt with that numerous times.

HIS own people are the Jews...  not the Christians...  says so in the Bible many times. Moses was a Jew not a Christian, so was Noah, so was Abraham. You need to get your facts straight

As this God is the basis of all that Christians believe, then all that choose to reject this God, reject Christians likewise. But, many who reject God, still do continue to search for that "explainable" higher power, to satisfy a certain human need of life, something to "believe in".

I thought Jesus was the basis that made Christianity, because the Jews and Muslim also believe in the same god... whether you choose to accept that truth is irrelevant to reality

The Christians should ave created a NEW bile starting from Jesus instead of ADOPTING the old Testament from Israel and making it fit

And then as people started to learn how to read, the Church EDITED out Books of the Bible...

Solomon is supposedly the wisest man in the Bible... yet his Book called 'Wisdom' was removed from the Bible. Why? well just read it and that will be obvious

But I suppose you reject the Apocrypha too right?

Uh huh...

[rdunk]

Thanks for the thought sky - we all stumble around a little with our replies, but most of the time, offense is not usually  intentional - - yes we sometimes do make mistakes though.

I have one to talk to zorgon about in the next reply here - he doth assume too much!!

[rdunk]

"HIS own people are the Jews...  not the Christians...  says so in the Bible many times. Moses was a Jew not a Christian, so was Noah, so was Abraham. You need to get your facts straight"

zorgon, when I made the statement. which your quote discusses, the Jews is exactly who I was talking about!! God has dealt with them time and time again!

The end-time judgement is still coming for the rest of the world., and Jesus Christ (as we Christians believe) will be that judge.

"I thought Jesus was the basis that made Christianity, because the Jews and Muslim also believe in the same god... whether you choose to accept that truth is irrelevant to reality"

God has made it so that it is all about the Messiah Jesus Christ. Actually, as we believe, it makes no difference who believes what otherwise, in the end, the judgement will be about what did we do with Jesus - yes, that is the Christian belief.

Most everything in the Old Testament points to Jesus!

Nope, not interested in any scripture outside of what is in the Bible. That pretty well covers the "prophetic story", from beginning to end.

Thanks for your comments!!       

[Primus58]

Using only the bible as your source for wisdom, is like having a brand new luxury car, yet, only using the door to get in and out without driving it! I think there are many ways Creator has expressed itself, Jesus being the most profound in human terms (opinion/belief alert); but I also believe we should know how to apply the natural laws around us, as given to us if we want to be in Harmony with God. This harmony in my definition means a healthy body, mind, and spirit. Jesus utilized these laws in the most advanced ways by performing miracles. These miracles were the result of an extremely disciplined mind with FULL knowledge of metaphysics/supernatural. Perhaps the mystic realm is a continuation of learning for us, with the bible being a vital part of this curriculum! Are ye not God's? We should be healing ourselves and making beneficial advancements instead of talking about and executing wars. We can look inward for the Kingdom of Heaven instead of relying on an external god as taught in most religions, ie separate from us! Gnostics weren't evil, I think they wanted a direct line to the Kingdom of Heaven without intercession by other groups, or a papal system. As for God's judgement, I think we will judge ourselves when we see how puny and imperfect we are next to the brilliant, Ultimate Truth. But hey, what do I know.

Huh, look where this thread went... LOL!

[biggles]

Jesus is also the Son o God, sorry my letter    is not working.

Zorgon is also missing a letter re the bible, not bile, not nice intended or not.

[Littleenki]

This is why we are awiating the next war...religious differences over something which is the exact same thing, from tens of millenia ago.

Rdunk, I totally respect your beliefs, and always will accept you for any way you may go or stay..so dont take this post wrong, as I know you know what true love and kindness is. You are aware of what it takes to share the planet with your fellow man, and I wholeheartedly respect you for that...this is just mine, and many, many other's realization about who GOD really is and why GOD has no need for war, and belief systems.

The problem here is some are using the King James bible for their backup, when its proven that that particular tome is incomplete and lacking any proof of Jesus' actual existence whatsoever.

While the KJ bible does contain the stories of people called Abraham, Jesus, Noah and more, it does nothing to actually prove the existence of any of these figures in history.

Even the vatican cant provide proof that someone named Jesus ever existed...it's all been mistranslated from the original books and twisted by the Church of England and many others who helped write it.

There are dozens of religions in the world today that use the same allegorical tales and myths of the original history of these events and so called people, but none of them can prove anything at all, that the events and tales ever took place beyond metaphor and said allegory.

If we look far back into the past, when none of these figures existed at all..we see the truth, and its crystal clear to those who dont allow religion and churches to cloud their minds with tales of men being eaten by giant fish, or arks full of animals and people chosen by "GOD".

The entire voluminous expanse of religious beliefs stems from the simple Zodiac.

Jesus was not a god, but the whole tale of him was allegory for the Sun.

"Crucified" on Dec 21st, the mythical Jesus was dead for three days, the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th, with Jesus then rising on the birth of the new Sun on Dec 25th, the first day the Sun starts to move from it's three day static position.

Hence the tale of the cave and the crucifixion and the resurrection...all allegory for the astrological alignments which all of this batch of mystery stemmed from in the first place.

How did these truths become so muddied up, and so many people today believe the bizarre set of events which are described in the bible?

Talking bushes?
Talking snakes?
Rocks spewing water?
Manna from heaven?
Arks full of millions of animals and thier subsequent sh!t and piss?

Well, it all is on the backs of the translators, and manipulators which have made up religion for millenia. Especially the vatican, with their cultish behaviour and rituals, establishing the ecclesiastical control over the entrie western world today, and it's blind helpless constituents.

Catholicism? Evil, plain and simple.

Christianity? A belief system with kind lessons, but no REAL solid foundation and proof of concept.

Judaism? Same old stuff from tens of thousands of years ago.

Unlike many who KNOW the truth, I dont hate or loathe the religious folks of today, I just feel sorry for them for not realizing their beliefs are based on something constructed to control their minds and lives in every way.

These folks havent a clue as to how ridiculous some of their beliefs are, and plunge headlong with faith... a lack of knowing...into the abyss which religion has become.

They love others and espouse kindness to the world around while preaching honesty, while their religious leaders take full advantage of their fragile state of mind concerning what is true and what is false.

Its not their fault, and we shouldnt ever blame the followers, for they know not what they do, its an indoctrination and nothing more for them, and until their eyes and minds open up and smell the roses, they will forever wallow in the lies formed by the churches and religions that have kicked reason and truth to the curb.

Until then we must accept them for their beliefs and ideals, while awaiting them to join us on our ark.

Why are we at the brink of war once more?

Because of these kind caring folks wanting to massacre each other over GOD.

There is a GOD, and it's not a HE, but a WE.

Cheers!
Le

[biggles]

[zorgon]

Nope, not interested in any scripture outside of what is in the Bible.

But the Apocrypha were IN the Bible originally.... they were not edited out until the 16th Century so how can you say they outside scripture?

Rv.22:18-19f. (KJV) states:

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

So it was the Church that decided to remove those books in the 16th Century  and your own book says its wrong for any man to remove ANY words...

So you better get a copy of the Apocrypha real fast or "God shall take away his part out of the book of life"

...you can't have it both ways..

I would HIGHLY recommend Solomon's Book of Wisdom