are the mibs on here?

[burntheships]

its all a learning experience.

Oh for sure mate, its all good.
I am one of those that usually has more questions than
answers, so you have my understanding.

I have found this forum to be fairly straight forward.

[petrus4]

So yes, there is a story that is pure disinformation.  I'll have a lot more to say on that when I'm good and ready.  However, there is very good evidence that there have been intelligently controlled craft (not just plasma critters) of unknown origin and the military and NORAD (therefore probably NASA) are aware of.  This class of possibly alien UFO is quite rare but very real and unlikely to be black project in every case.

My perspective on this issue, seems to be similar to that of Stanton Friedman.  Namely, that 99% of the material in the entire UFO scene is garbage.  Not necessarily deliberate garbage, even; just false alarms from the public, and the usual hype and white noise that you get anywhere.  The government controlled craft also IMHO belong in this category, even if they involve tech which the civilian population doesn't know about.  I think Project Camelot are correct in assuming that elements of the American government, are vastly more technologically advanced than the civilian population.

Once you clear all of that away, however, you are left with a 1% kernel of genuinely anomalous information, which does warrant  a second look.  The genuine stuff in the CE4 category belongs here; and I've also tended to notice that what I'm willing to consider genuine sightings, (CE1/CE2) have a fairly consistent set of characteristics, as well.

So, skeptics who think that literally everything is garbage where UFOs are concerned, are wrong.  Most of it, however, still is.

[zorgon]

Not so fast.

I did say "What IF" 

So yes, there is a story that is pure disinformation.  I'll have a lot more to say on that when I'm good and ready.  However, there is very good evidence that there have been intelligently controlled craft (not just plasma critters) of unknown origin and the military and NORAD (therefore probably NASA) are aware of.  This class of possibly alien UFO is quite rare but very real and unlikely to be black project in every case.

Yes I agree  I have always said 80% Critter, 15% Black Ops and 5% real visitors

Holloman was real.. 1950's "Venusian Flap" was real

Cattle Mutilation was black ops fear mongering. 90% of current "Orb" photos are just camera artifacts. The new agers and ufo nuts are their own worst enemy...

Very few people take the time to verify anything... if the story teller has charisma they just accept it as true without question  and buy the book and CD

Then those stories are cloned and further "embellished" all over the web and sold as "truth" When you dare challenge it then you become the bad guy and get called a disinfo agent LOL

Only a small handful of people really care about the 'truth'... they would rather have their own personal version verified

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Once you clear all of that away, however, you are left with a 1% kernel of genuinely anomalous information, which does warrant  a second look.  The genuine stuff in the CE4 category belongs here;

Yes

Cattle Mutilation was black ops fear mongering. 90% of current "Orb" photos are just camera artifacts. The new agers and ufo nuts are their own worst enemy...
Yes.
Very few people take the time to verify anything... if the story teller has charisma they just accept it as true without question  and buy the book and CD

Yes!.

Then those stories are cloned and further "embellished" all over the web and sold as "truth" When you dare challenge it then you become the bad guy and get called a disinfo agent LOL

Only a small handful of people really care about the 'truth'... they would rather have their own personal version verified

YES!

Well i guess that goes for me too, my version of 'the truth' is maybe different from yours, but we are singing the same song here! And i know that if they are here it is but to learn something from us poor humans, kept in the dark for SO long...

MIB beware, we not only know your motives, we are catching up on your secrets as well...

See ya

[Shasta56]

Well, mt triage and nursing skills at at your disposal.  I do pretty well with the sight of bleeding heads.

Shasta

[The Seeker]

So if your worried about spooks listening in to you, you need to not post at a conspiracy site  and if you are afraid they 'they' can RV your mind then you need to think about floweres and cute little puppies or ferrets

Exzackly, my medieval friend; paranoia tends to take the fun out of the whole experience 

Unless one of us out here on the 'lunatic fringe' actually does reveal or discover something fantastic that would totally change the timeline I just don't see any need to worry.

The quest for knowledge, the thrill of discovery, and the camaraderie of sharing with other seekers of true information as we stumble along is what motivates me; if we weren't watched by the spookz would worry me. 

After all, thinking outside the box and questioning the patterned pat answers is what got us here to begin with.


seeker

[TheJanitor]

Unless one of us out here on the 'lunatic fringe' actually does reveal or discover something fantastic that would totally change the timeline I just don't see any need to worry.
seeker

Excepting which happens all the time, and the world is conditioned to not see it.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Wise words, Janitor

Being an 'electrical engineer' i have learned all the things they have learned, but i saw at once that it was not the whole story.
I always tell young apprentice engineers that we do not know everything about electricity, despite what we have learned in the 'conventional' sense, we are still only scratching the surface....
I could indulge Seeker in long discussions on this, if we had the time?

The quest for knowledge, the thrill of discovery, and the camaraderie of sharing with other seekers of true information as we stumble along is what motivates me; if we weren't watched by the spookz would worry me.

YES! Absolutely.
After all, the spooks are looking for answers too. And they know that we are as close as any in those secret bunkers to finding the truth...

Maybe that worries them, they should not be ashamed of this, they are welcome to share with us in this voyage of discovery.

This isnt about one man or a group of men, it is about all humanity, our future, & nothing less than that....

[zorgon]

Maybe the Spooks are worried if "We the People.." know to much, we won't need the Spooks any more

There are over 120 Spook Agencies in the USA alone

Free Energy means millions of Spooks in the unemployment line

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Surely they can go & find something else to cover up?

The cat is almost out of the bag, if i were them, i'd start reading the 'vacancies' section of the newspaper LOL

Serves them right for being a part of this great deception we call 'government'

[biggles]

Dont know about the cattle mutilation being all black ops, just mho.

[robomont]

an airforce dr invented the cauterizing scalpel.around the same time as the mutilations began.
anywhere linda howe or stanton friedman is dont believe the stories.its probly a coverup.

[Pimander]

an airforce dr invented the cauterizing scalpel.around the same time as the mutilations began.
anywhere linda howe or stanton friedman is dont believe the stories.its probly a coverup.

My suggestion is to take a look where nukes were tested.  Plot on a map where nuclear tests happened.  Plot numbers of mutilations.  They will correlate is my hypothesis. Or they would if secret underground tests were taken into account.

Cover up?  Yes.

Aliens and cattle mutilations?  Nonsense IMO.

Early stealth helicopters used?  Yes, as this was done in secret and you can't get there by road.

Dulce?  Underground nuclear test site nearby.


Any questions?

[robomont]

agreed

[Pimander]

That should have been a thread and showed the months of research involved but I'm not in the mood.

Any questions?