Hastings web site about UFOs and Nuclear Weapons

[A51Watcher]

Here's some updated research -

http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/Marshall-Barnes-Interview.pdf

[space otter]

I tend to shy away from the later stories that include Al Bielick, hip waders are a must for those.

bwhahahahah 
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i figured if i posted enough of his story that folks could pretty much figure that out
but darn i luv'd the little sentence where his first memory was at 9 mos..
and he remember all of it after seeing the movie
but i'm having the most fun with the guy  who is local to my area..and i'v found lots of info on him

i think for comedy i am going to the mufon thing this fall..
it'll be like watching the bigfoot hunters on the tv..

maybe folk will understand my comment of believe it or don't
bwhahahahahahah

you would think if it was read you would see all the contradictions but only robo  got it and was vocal

[robomont]

im still hammerin away with my ufo thoughts,as yall know i got the caduceus deal im working on.well im beginning to think the top probe doesnt oscilate but can just emit a continuous charge even though the caduceus may pulse it.
if so then maybe one van de graff generator is all a ufo needs.maybe most of the power needed goes into the magnetic coil or maybe its half and half.but im still believing this is the way to success on getting one built.
im still of the belief that a stereo amp may be all i need to get the mag coil firing right.with a android app tone generator plugged into it.then i could vary frequency from my tablet in my lap via blutooth.basically the android is the speed control.

[Pimander]

a notation i found interesting  in the list of links made me wonder why that name is so familiar

If you mean V. Bush then it is Vannevar Bush.

Dr. Vannevar Bush was Truman's Chief Science Advisor and supposedly one of the original members of Majestic 12.

The second government document referring to a Top Secret UFO control group is a Top Secret memo from Wilbert Smith who at the time was a senior radio engineer with the Canadian Department of Transportation. Dated November 21, 1951, Smith wrote the following to the Controller of Telecommunications concerning flying saucer technologies being secretly studied in the U.S. by a very highly classified group:

a.       The matter is the most highly classified subject in the United States government, rating higher than the H-bomb,

b.      Flying saucers exist,

c.       Their modus operandi is unknown but a concentrated effort is being made by a small group headed by Dr. Vannevar Bush, and

d.      The entire matter is considered by the United States authorities to be of tremendous significance.[13]

http://www.majesticdocuments.com/pdf/smithmemo-21nov51.pdf

http://exopoliticsjournal.com/vol-3/vol-3-2-Salla.htm

[Pimander]

I suspect a cover up of the testing of radar spoofing and related false "signals" research.  Perhaps that is Doc Brown's secret too.

Notice Wilbert Smith is also a radio engineer which is also signals related.  An awful lot of UFO related material seems to be linked to signals research.

[space otter]

a notation i found interesting  in the list of links made me wonder why that name is so familiar

The Philadelphia Experiment: ... This system was invented by a Canadian, Charles F. Goodeve, when he ..

no, not  Wilbert Smith........ it was the Charles Goodeve name that caught my attention but even after having looked him up i don't know why..sigh




http://www.goodeveca.net/CFGoodeve/cfg_bio.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_F._Goodeve



i knew some general things about this (Philadelphia experiment) but had never spent any time researching it myself.. now having read thur some of it  i find it is great sci-fi with very few actual facts available and lots of  you-can't-prove-it statements from lots of folks after the fact...sigh..
and a reunion of  some of the crew denying it completely

however after 1930 lots of things jumped into being/awareness  so who knows?

i am and i think most of us are still searching for answers for our own witnessed stuff
and  by looking to the past hope to find some tiny grain of connection
awwww,  maybe some day

[Pimander]

I wondered who you meant.  Crossed wire lol.

i am and i think most of us are still searching for answers for our own witnessed stuff
and  by looking to the past hope to find some tiny grain of connection
awwww,  maybe some day

Funny business isn't it.  I've trawled through so much BS on the topic which was plainly made up or twisted beyond recognition.  I'd be tempted to say the whole UFO thing was a waste of energy but when you've seen what I have you know it isn't.

Something was happening in 1947...  The biggest question for me is where are they now?  I know there are still sightings but nothing like on that scale.  We still have nukes and they are far more deadly than the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs.  Explain that for me somebody. 

[space otter]

I'd be tempted to say the whole UFO thing was a waste of energy but when you've seen what I have you know it isn't.

Pim  total agreement with that..but on the other hand my brain goes to the marshmallow man at the end of ghostbusters...  lol

[funbox]

Sure. As Pim mentioned we are aware of many pre atomic reports such as Fort's books as well as 60,000 Year old Aboriginal cave and rock paintings -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8302.0

and also biblical paintings -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8548.0

a late reply due to internet extraction

But comparatively, over time these are relatively few and far between.

The modern UFO era, as this is dubbed, has been much more overtly scrutinizing our activities in detail than in previous times.

I think this is an under-exaggeration, there are thousands of reports spanning his books , in fact I cant even give you a specific numbers and ive read them more times ide care to mention ..

I believe a website is being constructed with this in mind

as for scrutiny at the time .. many of the reports are scrutinised in the big journals of the time , Fort unfortunately couldn't reproduce the  amount of details pertaining to the events covered in the journals , but you could bet, after each description, there would be page numbered references to the journal articles . not an easy task to verify his work , this was one of my ambitions once .. a gargantuan task alone considering, certainly not for one

funbox

[thorfourwinds]

For me, the "odd man out" in the Philadelphia Experiment story has always been Thomas Townsend Brown. It's probably because he's more recognizable for his work with the Biefeld-Brown Effect, which leads me to ask me if he was really involved, and if so, what his role might have been?

Yup.

Calling Linda...

[A51Watcher]

Well scanning the library did not turn up the alien incident in question, and neither did scanning the internet in depth.

Which is quite odd, considering. You would think with all the web pages out there and pdf's of books devoted to the subject, there would be something about it somewhere.

I was then reminded there are 2 databases of UFO information that are no longer available and are not online.

One is the UFO Newsclipping service and the other is UFO Magazine.

One incident published in UFO Magazine was re: President Jimmy Carter after he was out of the White House and working with his Habitat For Humanity project, out on the construction site pounding nails, when he got asked by a young female reporter about his campaign promise to release all government files on UFO's.

He was visibly caught off guard and replied "Yes well, they are still working on it and we are not allowed to talk about it".

Secret service terminated the interview and he was hustled away.

But still... I can find no reference to this on the internet anywhere.

Same goes for the alien at the console incident we are searching for.

And it appears that UFO MAgazine has never been digitized for the internet.

I read each new issue from cover to cover during it's tenure, and am now convinced that is where the story in question must have come from but now is untraceable and nearly forgotten.

In fact, it was an article in UFO magazine that caused my partner to go to Area 51 with me to chicken out at the last moment.

The article related the experience of recent A51 tourists who had a tire shot out on Groom road by a cammo dude sniper on foot.

Later while changing the tire a cammo dude jeep drove by and laughed out the window "Car problems?" as they drove by.

My partner was reading that article as I was completing the final packing for the trip. Suddenly he said out loud "Tire shot out?? No WAY I am going out there dude!!"

I think I said something like "I'm still keeping your trail mix and soda!" and headed out the door.

I wasn't surprised really as several weekend UFO warriors had originally claimed they would love to go along to see Area 51.

But as it got as it got closer to D- day and details were being finalised, one by one they all got cold feet and came up with excuses why they couldn't go.

Which in retrospect was probably a good thing.


Bob and John and Gene were all surprised to learn of at least a 100 military on foot clandestinely had been monitoring their movements through night vision and parabolic microphones.

I was surprised to see at least 500 pairs of dim Jeep headlights performing a grid pattern search from the perimeter outwards after the craft had returned to S4.   

The 2 jeeps they had hiding on the other side of HWY 375 that jumped me were also quite a surprise!

On test nights, the security team was quite good at concealing their size and presence!


So yeah, good old UFO Magazine was a great source for current events in UFOlogy! 

[A51Watcher]

a late reply due to internet extraction

I think this is an under-exaggeration, there are thousands of reports spanning his books , in fact I cant even give you a specific numbers and ive read them more times ide care to mention ..

I believe a website is being constructed with this in mind

as for scrutiny at the time .. many of the reports are scrutinised in the big journals of the time , Fort unfortunately couldn't reproduce the  amount of details pertaining to the events covered in the journals , but you could bet, after each description, there would be page numbered references to the journal articles . not an easy task to verify his work , this was one of my ambitions once .. a gargantuan task alone considering, certainly not for one

funbox

That is great news about a website.

I will be most interested in the ones that are shiny silver high speed ones with hair pin turns and stops and starts.

Fireballs that exhibit the same behavior are also of interest.

[funbox]

That is great news about a website.

I will be most interested in the ones that are shiny silver high speed ones with hair pin turns and stops and starts.

ahh the torpedo shaped objects .. plenty ..aswell as the spindle shaped ones, fireballs not so much, even though at the time of his writing  some were still denouncing metorites

funbox

[A51Watcher]

Since we have worked our way round to Al Bielek and hip waders, here's a short clip from a longer interview he did, explaining that it was him who talked Phil Schneider into getting on the lecture circuit, it figures     -

[Pimander]

It looks to me like the Philadelphia "believe it if you want to" Experiment.  I'm open to changing my mind but remain agnostic about it at this point.