Lunar atmosphere in Apollo 11 photograph

[ArMaP]

The important thing is that one of the three of them appeared to believe it might be tied to the possible existence of an atmosphere which at that time was believed to be non-existent, officialy anyway.

If there was enough atmosphere to affect just one drop when they were not expecting any that would slow down the module and they would have noticed much sooner.

[Pimander]

Shank,

Could you post some pictures not of the Moon from that camera is more what I think ArMaP wanted to see.  The additional pictures you have posted above will not show whether the effect is "colour bleed" as they are also the moon.... A picture of a bright star or Venus would help  so we can see whether there is bleed on the other pictures.

I meant Mikey here.

Sorry Shank.  Doh!

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

From those two I think the last one (they were not allowed to say what they wanted and nobody told them what to say if someone asked that question) is the most likely, as if they didn't go to the Moon they could say what they wanted as long as it was compatible with what the previous astronauts have said.
Yes, I remember that one.

You don't see these guys look scared shitless Armap??

[ArMaP]

You don't see these guys look scared poopless Armap??

No, they don't look scared to me, they look more tired and bored than scared.

[Shank]

If there was enough atmosphere to affect just one drop when they were not expecting any that would slow down the module and they would have noticed much sooner.

I don't know if you can trust the stated times for anything very much.  At one point, revolution 16, Mike Collins placed a call to Houston 17 seconds before AOS.  That was 17 seconds before Collins had line of sight with earth.   It should have been physicaly impossible for that transmission to reach earth.  AOS was supposed to be 106:11:24.  Colins placed his call at 106:11:07.  Considering it took Collins somewhere around a minute to allign his antennas at AOS, it was really closer to a minute too soon.

Some might suggest that's just a problem with the transcript or the tapes.  It is a known fact that assigned times are not all that accurate.  I myself found the transcript to be about 14 seconds fast at one point just prior to that rev. 16 AOS call.  So now we're talking a minute and maybe 10 or 15 seconds fast.  But I don't think poor transcription is the problem here for one reason I'll try my best to explain. 

All during the mission Houston would call up the next AOS and LOS times prior to them occuring so Collins always had the numbers.  The first two revs. Houston called the times up down to the second.  Those were accuracy checks.  The astronauts were supposed to be looking out the window and watching for earthrise, and checking it against the clock, the predicted time.  If the earth rose late they were at a lower altitute and moving slower than expected.  If earth rose earlier over the lunar horizon they would know they were higher and faster.  They did that twice, for Lunar Orbit Insertion, and the circularization burn that came near the end of rev 1.   The next 12 times Houston only called up the times to the minute.  There were no further checks to be made, they were just for Collins' information so he knew when he could roughly expect to lose or gain radio contact.

The next two orbits after Colins called in early, Houston began to read the times accurate to seconds again.  There was no reason to do that because there was no check to be performed.  That was their way of telling Collins, you be careful next time.  You don't call us before the time that's written down in your flight plan.  The second time the AOS was read up, Collins got the message and claimed to miss the transmission and stated he'd get the next AOS time off the flight plan.  That's what they wanted to hear.  Then Houston resumed giving AOS/LOS to the minute and Collins never called in early again.

So what i'm saying is, drag should have an effect orbit times.  But you can't trust the times they gave us.  It shows the futility of this whole looking for lunar anomalies thing.  Questions only lead to more questions and never any answers.                   

[Shank]

You don't see these guys look scared poopless Armap??

Nobody really knows what happened before that confrence.  The three of them could have had a bad flight, a big arguement just before they walked out, somebody pissed in somebody's cornflakes.  Maybe they were just getting sick and tired of answering all the same questions, eating restaurant food, being away from home.  They did that worldwide publicity tour for about 6 months if memory serves me correct.  None of them enjoyed it.  The three of them were test pilots, not public relations officers.   I wouldn't have wanted to do it either.     

[Pimander]

So what i'm saying is, drag should have an effect orbit times.  But you can't trust the times they gave us.  It shows the futility of this whole looking for lunar anomalies thing.  Questions only lead to more questions and never any answers.                 

Well you are here so you must be interested. 



Regarding the Apollo 11 astronaut press conference.... This is one of the things that keeps me interested/suspicious about Apollo 11.  I am not normally inclined to take that kind of talk seriously but in this case I do.  Something about the way those guys acted just feels wrong to me.

I have no idea what the answer is.  Was it just a PR exercise?  Did they get asked not to report everything?  I wish I knew.

[Shank]

I think the part about not reporting everything is right.  I'll give you an example:   

Armstrong walked around with the Apollo Lunar Surface Closeup Camera (ALSCC) for about a half an hour while he wasn't too busy doing too much of anything.  He was more or less just watching Aldrin while he was supposed to be taking photos with that camera.   It was a super high resolution, high magnification camera, took stereo photos of a square inch of surface, something like that.   You can see individual dust particles in them.  Collins asked Armstrong when they had docked the LM and the CM together after rendevous how any photos he took with that camera.  Armstrong said 30 or 40, that's about 1 a minute which is reasonable.   

When NASA released those 3D photos to the public, it was 16 and a half frames.  Meaning they held back some 15 or 25 of those closeup photos.  That or Armstrong was terribly mistaken which I doubt he was.  I had old fim cameras way back when.  When you thought you took 15 photos it was more likely that you took 25 or 30.  It always shocked me how fast my film went.  Rarely ever the other way around. 

There were things on that roll they didn't want us to see.         

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

No, they don't look scared to me, they look more tired and bored than scared.

Have you studied body language at all?

They are spooked, and their body language says that...

[Pimander]

Self-touching fits into a class of nonverbal behaviors that are known as Manipulators, Adaptors or Pacifiers (MAPs). MAPs are significant body language signals of anxiety. When the area being touched involves the ear, eye, nose, mouth, cheek or anterior (front) neck - there's an even higher correlation with deception. The remainder of the head and neck have a lower correlation with lying.

Jon Corzine, former Chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs, U.S. Senator and Governor of New Jersey testified before the U.S. House Agriculture Committee today. He resigned on November 4th of this year from MF Global, where he was CEO and Chairman since March 2010. MF Global declared bankruptcy on October 31, 2011 - the eighth largest in U.S. history. The company is under investigation by the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Among other things, $1.2 billion is missing. Hmmm... http://www.bodylanguagesuccess.com/2011/12/negotitation-body-language-secret-339.html

Look at Collins repeatedly put his hand to his ear during the conference.




The farther the lips are rolled in, the more intense the emotion. General McChrystal is deeply ashamed in this photo.  Compare with the facial expressions of Armstrong at many points in the press conference.  http://liveonearth.livejournal.com/864852.html




Tiger's body language spoke to the immense shame and humiliation he felt while having to publicly admit his wrongdoing. Do the astronauts look like they are shameful?  http://www.popeater.com/2010/02/19/tiger-woods-apology-body-language/





As former Rep. Anthony Weiner let everyone know he was resigning, his  monotone voice and body language said that he  was insincere in his apology, He  often  pursed his lips as we see in this photo, which indicated that he really did not want to say that he was saying.  This is precisely what we see from, in particular, Armstrong.  Why would the astronauts not want to say what they were saying at the press conference?  http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/weiners-body-language-and-voice-show-hes-in-denial-and-feels-shame-as-he-faces-hecklers-during-resignation-speech/


As he spoke he had  a case of  dry Cotton Mouth which indicated that he was very nervous and distressed about what he was  doing in being forced to do- resign.  Were the astronauts forced to say what they did?  http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/weiners-body-language-and-voice-show-hes-in-denial-and-feels-shame-as-he-faces-hecklers-during-resignation-speech/


As I say, the body language of the astronauts is very unusual for a triumphant return after being the first to achieve something truly amazing.  What is the explanation?

[zorgon]

Sir Patrick Moore asked them about the stars

Patrick Moore asks the alleged Apollo 11 crew could you actually see the stars

[ArMaP]

Have you studied body language at all?

As much as I have studied English, by personal observation.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

As much as I have studied English, by personal observation.

Are you ever wrong Armap?

(off-topic) for example I bet you know nothing about Quantum Healing - because you cant "prove" it exists right?


I've seen ET when i was 6. Ive met ETs in Quantum healing regressions. Ive met ETs on DMT the one time I took it.

They are as real as you (and I dont even know if you are real, as you are only type on a forum).

Armap - THERE IS SO MUCH YOU WILL NEVER KNOW because you don't allow yourself to be open to it.

I love you Armap, but you do NOT know everything. Remember that matey. peace!

[Somamech]

Sir Patrick Moore asked them about the stars

Patrick Moore asks the alleged Apollo 11 crew could you actually see the stars

That video is ODD

So he didn't see anything without using the Lunar Optics ?

I want Lunar Optics ASAP 

[ArMaP]

Are you ever wrong Armap?

Several times each day, why, aren't we all?

(off-topic) for example I bet you know nothing about Quantum Healing - because you cant "prove" it exists right?

Wrong, I know nothing about Quantum Healing because it's the first time I ever read about it, not because I can't "prove" it.

I've seen ET when i was 6. Ive met ETs in Quantum healing regressions. Ive met ETs on DMT the one time I took it.

From where were those ETs?

They are as real as you (and I dont even know if you are real, as you are only type on a forum).

The things we imagine are also real in our imaginations.

Armap - THERE IS SO MUCH YOU WILL NEVER KNOW because you don't allow yourself to be open to it.

Why do you think I don't allow myself to be open to it? I am open to everything, I just think some things are more likely to be true than others based on the information I have and I am always ready to change my opinion based on new information.

What's wrong with that?

I love you Armap, but you do NOT know everything. Remember that matey. peace!

I do remember that, several times each day.
That's why I am always reading about several topics, some related to my work (now I am reading a book about programming securing web sites), some related to other topics that I like that are somewhat related to my work (like imaging and photography, for example) some just because I like the topics (like UFOs and paranormal phenomena or completely different things, like learning Japanese).

I use to say that learning is the only thing we can do until the moment we die, and maybe even after.

PS: you should never assume you know a person just because you read some things he/she wrote on the Internet.