The Day Before Roswell

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Wow. Gold to Elvis for some cool input that didn't involve sausages or chickens, and also gold to Sander for that great pic.
Deuem has enough gold already LOL
It seems (to me) from both processes that there is a very intense field around those ships.

This is what makes Pegasus so special, we take the available data & we do something with it. We dissect the info, we discuss it.
OK so we may not always agree on the results, but results are there nonetheless, proud of you guys (and gals)

[A51Watcher]

The result is a formation of UFO which now appear to have the same shape.

Indeed they do!

They also appear to be all tilted at the same angle.

And a strong energy field surrounding all as well.

Great work! 


You certainly have your chops down Sander!

Your work displayed on peggy so far is amazing.

[A51Watcher]

Another witness, from Kevin Randle -


"While sitting at my table in the International UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell, I heard a woman behind me say, "That was my father." She was pointing to a picture of one of the soldiers assigned to the base in 1947.

I listened to her for a moment and then stood up to learn who she was and what she had been told.





Her name was Carlene Green (seen here pointing to her father's picture) who was the daughter of Sergeant Homer G. Rowlette, a member of the 603rd Air Engineering Squadron.

And as established by the Yearbook produced by Walter Haut in 1947, he was clearly in Roswell at the right time.





According to what she said, she learned of her father's part in the crash retrieval just days before he died.

He was on a Gurney and about to be wheeled into an operating room when he asked her to come closer so that he could speak to her.

He told her that he had been at the base when the "spaceship" crashed and that he had seen it.

He said that the craft was rounded and that he had seen three "little people," and suggested that one of them had survived the crash.

He apologized for not telling her sooner but that he had told her brother the story sometime earlier.

Finally he cautioned her to keep it all to herself, or else."


Source page click here

[A51Watcher]

Another military witness that saw the bodies -

[Sinny]

Oh and they did this every day in 1947 across every state in the nation?

I want to know what would motivate Aliens to suddenly make mass appearances in 1947.
Sort of note to self.

[Sinny]

Originally posted by Condemned0625
I figured you would pick upon my various sarcasm about "the crash". Obviously the Army was in a pickle, and was daily being made fools of by these things that demonstrated vast superiority, and that the Army was unable to control/defend our skies.

So I wonder which scenario happened in private with the General and his staff seated around a conference table:

A) General: "Gee I hope one of those pretty flying saucers comes down and lands and introduces themselves to us, they are makin us look kinda bad right now. Let me know when that happens ok?"

or

B) General: "I don't care WHAT it takes... BRING ONE OF THOSE THINGS DOWN... NOW!!!
Do you understand me??!!

"...Guard planes "patrol" saucer routes with camera's..." Yeah you bet, along with our top weapons of the day too!!

C) Lets pretend to take down one of those things.

[Elvis Hendrix]

I want to know what would motivate Aliens to suddenly make mass appearances in 1947.
Sort of note to self.

Nuclear testing.

[Sinny]

Nuclear testing.

And they turned up two years late? lol - I'm going to have a coffee, and return to present my thoughts thus far.

[Elvis Hendrix]

And they turned up two years late? lol - I'm going to have a coffee, and return to present my thoughts thus far.

Not really sinny, yea Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 1945, but the testing escalated all through the forties. Look at bikini atoll, the marshall islands etc. Effectively contaminating paradise.
that must have garnered attention. Don't you think?

[Sinny]

Okay so here's my thoughts so far - if I post anything in error, all are free to correct me.

Bear in mind, I still have my own UFO's mysteries to be solved, and my motive here is just to view things objectively.

So far A51's argument for ET at Roswell consists of:

1) Testimonies and hearsay from ex miliatry men.
2) "The Saucer invasion of 1947".
3) Military and technological advances from 1947.

In defence of the Roswell ET scenario, the following have been peiced together:

After the atomic bomb of 1945, we gained the attention of an ET force that would not permit the further use of Atomic weaponry. They 'buzzed' all military and nuclear instilations across America in 1947 to make this point clear. Out technological advances came from an ET ship that we managed to 'down'. There is no other possible explanation for these craft apart from ET as, as A51 states, this technology is not humanly possible. Hence since 1947 the American military and others have been trying to cover the truth of ET visitation for the best part of 70 years.

Have I missed anything??

My counter argument:

If Aliens were that concerned about Atmoic energy, they would not have allowed the bombs to be detonated in 1945.
They would not have waited two more years before trying to intimidate us out of atomic energy.
If they were that 'advanced' they would not have 'crashed' at Roswell. I do not think the only people who could have this technology is ET. There are rumours that past Earth people have had this 'new' technology, and there are also rumours human were working on this technology in the late 18th century. At no time during this thread has Admiral Byrds Opertaion Highjump been included which also provide testimony that the Nazi's had flying saucer craft that could, quote "fly from pole to pole", unquote. I find it highly unlikely that if an Alien ship did crash at Roswell, the Air Force officers in question would have really told the media about it, and although that story was retracted, it still set the scene for one of the most prevalent myths in modern history. 

My question is, apart from hearsay, has anybody got real proof of ET at Roswell?

[Elvis Hendrix]

Sinny that's an interesting point about Admiral Byrd.
Operation Highjump was indeed conducted in 1946-47.
Could the expedition have opened a hornets nest down there? and could the myriad sightings be a result of just that?.
This is of course pure conjecture but the time frame is relevant.
im sure we are all aware of Byrd and his activities but here is a synopsis for anyone  unfamiliar.



Operation Highjump.
  In 1947 Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal sent a naval task force
to Antarctic including Admiral Nimitz, Admiral Krusen and Admiral
Byrd, called "Operation Highjump". It was touted to be an expedition
to find "coal deposits" and other valuable resources, but in actuality
they were trying to find the underground base of the nazis (aryans) in  Neuschwabenlandt. The nazis had done a very detailed study of
Antarctic and were alleged to have built an underground base there.
     In this regard however, the aryans have had an underground
habitation in Antarctic for more than a million years.

        The task force of OVER 40 SHIPS, included the flagship "Mount
Olympus", the aircraft carrier "Philipine Sea", the seaplane tender
"Pine Sea", the submarine "Senate", the destroyer "Bronson", the ice
breaker "Northwind", and other tanker and supply ships. An armed
contingent of 1400 sailors, and three dog sled teams were also on
board.
     The expedition was filmed by the Navy and brought to Hollywood to be made into a commercial film called "The Secret Land". It was narrated by Hollywood actor Robert Montgomery (Naval reserve Officer) .

     There were three divisions of Operation High Jump: one land
group with tractors, explosives, and plenty of equipment to refurbish
"Little America", and make an airstrip to land the six R-4D's (DC-3's),
and two seaplane groups. The R4-D's were fitted with jet-assist takeoff  bottles (JATO) in order to takeoff from the short runway of the
aircraft carrier "Philipine Sea". They also were fitted with large skis for landing on the ice field prepared for them. The skis were specially
fitted at three inches above the surface of the carrier deck. When
landing on the ice at "Little America" the three inches of tire in
contact with the snow and ice provided just enough and not too much
drag for a smooth landing.

     Admiral Byrd's team of six R4-D's were fitted with the super secret
"Trimetricon" spy cameras and each plane was trailing a
magnetometer. They flew over as much of the continent as they could in the short three month "summer" period, mapping and recording
magnetic data. Magnetometers show anomalies in the Earth's
magnetism, i.e. if there is a "hollow" place under the surface ice or
ground, it will show up on the meter.

         On the last of many "mapping" flights where all six planes went
out, each on certain pre-ordained paths to film and "measure" with
magnetometers, Admiral Byrd's plane returned THREE HOURS LATE.

         It was stated that he had "lost an engine" and had had to throw
everything overboard except the films themselves and the results of
magnetometer readings in order to maintain altitude long enough to return to Little America.
     This is most certainly the time when he met with representatives of
the aryans and a contingent of nazis.

         The task force came steaming back with their data which then
became classified "top secret". Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal
retired and started to "talk". He was put in Bethesda Naval Hospital
psychiatric ward where he was prevented from seeing or talking to
anyone, including his wife! after a short while he was thrown out the
window while trying to hang himself with a bedsheet. It was ruled a
suicide, case closed. He was telling people about the underground
aryan base.

Elvis
 

[Sinny]

Its also a lovely pretext for the 1950's 'Venusian' contact that were to me made by Adammski, Menger and Co.

Is it a coincidence these alien craft looked just like the early Nazi models? Andis it just a coincidence these people were Nordic?

Admamski, or Menger, or Both ( my memory does not serve) admitted it was a hoax connected to CIA factions?

Wasn't Van Tassle intorrogated over being a Nazi spy?

Not to mention the rest.

Sorry for the spelling.

[A51Watcher]

I sorted the following sightings by similar characteristics to help clarify the picture -

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May 5 1947 - Tucson, Arizona


Mrs. H.G. Olavick witnessed ten flying discs make some curious aerial maneuvers near Tucson.

One of those objects appeared larger than the other nine discs, perhaps as big as 100 feet in diameter. Viewed with her husband, they both agreed at the time that the discs must be some sort of new high performance military aircraft.

As they watched, the nine smaller craft began "playing around the cloud" in violent aerial maneuvers for about seven minutes as if making mock dogfights. Finally regrouping in a V formation behind the larger craft, they flew off with tremendous acceleration toward the northeast.

Source: Dr. James McDonald


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June 30 - Norwood, Ohio - Night EST

CINCINNATI TIMES-STAR (Ohio) 7/7


Mrs. H. W. Stockwell reported that she saw a group of seven disc-like objects in the sky over Norwood.

One of the discs was much larger than the rest and she estimated its size to be at least "a mile in diameter."

She did not mention the sighting until a week later because she said she felt "a little silly about it. Now I think that if they are dangerous, everybody should know about them."


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July 6 1947 - Palmdale, California - 10:36 p.m. PST

SOUTH ANTELOPE VALLEY PRESS (California) 7/10
LOS ANGELES NEWS 7/7
LOS ANGELES TIMES 7/7
LOS ANGELES EXAMINER 7/8
LOS ANGELES HERALD-EXPRESS 7/7
DENVER POST (INS, Lancaster) 7/7
CHICAGO HERALD-AMERICAN (INS, Lancaster) 7/7
DETROIT NEWS (UP) 7/7
MONTREAL STAR (UP) 7/7


Mrs. Amy Herdliska, reported that she had seen a group of objects twice during the late evening behaving in a most peculiar manner.

She reported to Sgt. W. K. Campbell, of the Lancaster County sheriff's substation that "over the mountains south of Palmdale, I saw what looked like a mama disc, with three to five little baby discs flying around her.

"The little ones would cavort around for awhile, then they'd fly back and seem to fly into the mama disc's pouch. Anyway, the mama disc absorbed the baby discs," she explained.

Mrs. Herdliska said that the objects "were luminescent and clearly visible," and before they had disappeared to the south over the mountains, they were seen "separating" again.

She reported that a second flight of the same puzzling objects was made again at 11:17 p.m.


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July 7 1947 - Tacoma, Washington - 2:30 a.m. PST

TACOMA NEWS-TRIBUNE (Washington) 7/7
SEATTLE TIMES (Washington) 7/7
SPOKANE DAILY CHRONICLE (AP, Tacoma) (Washington) 7/7
OREGON JOURNAL (AP, Tacoma) (Portland) 7/7
TACOMA TIMES (Washington) 7/7 - Tacoma Police Sight Soaring Discs
OREGON JOURNAL (Portland) 7/7 - Tacoma Cops Spy Discs Around 'Mother'


Two Tacoma prowl car officers Evan Davies and Stan Johnson were parked at North 33rd and Adams Streets with their headlights and motor turned off. Davies' attention was caught by a "streak" in the sky; looking more closely, he saw a strange spectacle.

"I didn't say anything," he reported later. "Then I noticed Stan was watching it too."

"Do you see anything?" Johnson asked.

"Yeah, do you?" Davies answered cautiously.

"I thought I was crazy," Johnson remarked with relief. "I've been watching it for five minutes."

"So have I," his partner admitted.

The cause for this guarded exchange was the sight of a group of six or seven disc-like objects seen just below a bright moon in the southern sky.

One central object, larger than the others, seemed to act as a sort of "flagship." The smaller objects would make repeated movements toward the large disc and then glide away to the south.

The officers said the larger disc appeared to be "spinning like a top, and throwing off sparks like a bursting sky rocket," and then attracting the tiny objects back "like a mother hen with her chicks."

The officers estimated that the objects were at an altitude of about 10,000 feet. The smaller "and more distinct objects" began to move westward in a loose group, and vanished from view, while the large disc remained for a brief time in one spot, and then it too began to move westward.

The men decided to give chase, and Davies radioed the police dispatcher, D. F. Erickson,
"Car No. 5, Johnson and Davies to KGZN. We're chasing a flying saucer towards the Narrows Bridge site."

As they sped westward, the officers radioed their course and a running description of the phenomenon. Johnson said that although it was impossible to judge altitude, size, speed or distance accurately, the large disc appeared to move at tremendous speed and was the apparent "size of a softball." (ed: at arm's length)

One of the smaller discs was seen flying over South Tacoma; later, another was seen to the west, over Hood Canal; a third, which flew out of sight in less than a minute, appeared over Commencement Bay.

At one point, the large object made a rapid ascent of an estimated 5,000 feet above its former altitude at extremely high speed, "quicker than you could snap your fingers,"
according to Davies.

He said that the parent disc "seemed a shade of red part of the time, particularly when it zoomed upward, but most of the time it was a sort of luminous silver."
Johnson vividly recalled the way the objects jumped over considerable distances.

The officers finally lost sight of the object over the western horizon. In all, they had observed the phenomenon for a half an hour.

At the police station, officers said an unnamed caller from South Tacoma had phoned in exactly at the same time to report seeing the same spectacle, and M. C. Streans, reported he had watched the same phenomenon sometime after 2:00 a.m.

Davies said that the most striking feature of the entire sighting was the way the objects would suddenly jump from one location to another spot "miles away."

At one point they had shot up suddenly through a substantial vertical distance.  Both Davies and Johnson agreed that these objects could not have been any conventional aircraft.

There was another patrol car which had been alerted and the officers in that car had also seen the objects.


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July 7 1947 - Cicero, Illinois - Day

CHICAGO TIMES 7/8


Richard Allen, saw a formation consisting of one large disc, about the size of a blimp and silver in color, with three or four smaller discs following it in a straight line.


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July 7 1947 - Manchester, Maine - 9:30 p.m. EDT


A report of an "illuminated galaxy of flying discs" seen by three members of a family during the evening was made.

The objects were seen first by Charles Crockett, 15, as he was walking toward his home on the highway between Manchester Four Corners and the Augusta Country Club.

The cluster of luminous objects was seen to the west, over the north end of Lake Cobbosseecontee. They were still there when he arrived home a few minutes later, so he summoned his mother, Mrs. Doris Crockett, and his grandmother, Mrs. Abbie Hallowell, who confirmed his observation.

Charles described what he saw as "about eight or ten smaller discs revolving around a big disc-shaped spot of light." The objects remained in view for fifteen minutes before they faded out of sight.

[A51Watcher]

July 3 - Conowingo Dam, Pennsylvania - 9:00 to 10:00 A.M. EST (6:00TO7:00amPST)

YORK DISPATCH (Pennsylvania) 7/9
BRADFORD ERA (Pennsylvania) 7/10


Up to 100 fishermen saw eight disc-shaped objects maneuver wildly in the clouds over Conowingo Dam.


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July 4 - Hauser Lake, Idaho - 7:00 P.M. PST

SPOKANE DAILY CHRONICLE (Washington) 7/5
SEATTLE TIMES (Washington) 7/6
OREGONIAN (Portland) 7/5
DENVER POST - (Colorado) 7/5
CHICAGO SUNDAY TIMES (AP) (Illinois) 7/6


A many as 200 people observed a disc at Hauser Lake, Idaho, just a few miles northeast of Spokane.

George Aster described that event, stating, "I pointed it out to the others and they all stood around and followed it for about 30 minutes while it hovered (and slightly wobbled) at about ten degrees above the horizon."

The witness saw the craft while celebrating the holiday at the lake and agreed that it must have hovered at about 20,000 feet until an aircraft came into the area and all of a sudden it shot straight up into the sky and vanished in "a fraction of a second."

Others in Aster's party who said they had watched the object were his wife, Mr. and Mrs. O. N. Daerwold, and Mr. and Mrs. Noble Hunvlade.

Observers gave a host of physical descriptions ranging from a shiny aluminum disc—shaped craft to having the appearance of a silver dollar approximately 30 feet across.


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July 4 - Milwaukie, Oregon - 1:00 P.M. PST

USAF PROJECT BLUE BOOK FILES

Three discs in a line formation were observed flying in a northeasterly direction by State Police Sergeant Claude Cross.

Also across the Columbia River from Portland near Vancouver, Washington, Clark County Sheriffs Deputies John Sullivan, Clarence McKay, and Fred Krives reported up to 30 such flying objects.

Their sightings (which actually involved eight deputies) began after hearing reports of flying discs broadcast on the police radio.

The deputies then went outside of the sheriffs headquarters to have a look for themselves and soon caught sight of "round" objects flying over high and fast in a straight line toward the west and south.

As they passed, a low humming noise could be detected.

Witnesses told the International News Service that "they were there and no mistake about that."

They explained that the objects appeared in the southwest over the courthouse heading southwest at about 1,000 feet.

The deputies saw numerous flights of discs—the first of which had seven objects in it. The tail end of that formation split off the main line to form a separate group rising above the others. They were described as disc-shaped with speeds approximating an aircraft.


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July 4 - Twin Falls, Idaho - 2:50 p.m. MST (1:50pmPST)

SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER (Washington) 7/5
AP in many papers for 7/5


A. E. Mitchell, of Goose Creek, Texas, was visiting relatives in Twin Falls when, during a July 4th outing at Twin Falls Park, seven miles east of the city, he was one of seven persons who reported seeing a group of disc—like objects in a rough V-formation flying overhead to the west.

They were flying high and at great speed, Mitchell reported.

About ten minutes later, Mitchell and a group of others, now totaling more than twenty, saw a second flight of nine or ten objects circling overhead in a loose formation. The objects gained altitude rapidly and, when almost out of sight, were seen proceeding westward.

All the witnesses agreed that the objects were not in any well—defined formation while climbing.

At 3:10 p.m., with a sizeable crowd of now nearly sixty persons peering skywards, a third group was seen circling and climbing.

Mitchell reported that "I distinctly counted 18 before they climbed so high only two or three could be seen."

He said that these objects, too, were last, seen moving westward, putting on a burst of speed as they departed.


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July 4 - Twin Falls, Idaho - Between 2:30 P.M. and 3:10 P.M. MST (1:30and2:10pmPST)

SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER (Washington) 7/5


Sixty picnickers watched three formations of discs ranging from twenty to nine objects
flying overhead from the local park of Twin Falls.


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07/06/1947 The Oregonian

Puzzle Alerts Entire Nation to Scan Sky

By Associated Press
The nation's perplexity over discs reported spinning through the skies deepened Saturday in the wake of July 4 reports from virtually all parts of the country.

There was no scientific explanation offered to fit the observations which spanned the nation from the Pacific to the gulf to the Atlantic.

A mass of evidence piled up swiftly as holiday throngs and fliers joined in telling of seeing bright, pancakelike objects skimming through the air at varying estimates of altitude and speed.

Former skeptics joined the ranks of the believers as the flashing objects glittered before their eyes. Reliable observers, such as Capt. E. J. Smith of United Air Lines, his copilot Ralph Stevens, and his stewardess Marty Morrow, told of seeing the round flat objects for 12 minutes while flying west from Boise, Idaho, on Independence day evening. Ex-airmen, picnickers, motorists, and housewives swelled the number of witnesses to the strange phenomenon.

Pilot Sees Objects First

The first published report of "flying saucers" came from Kenneth Arnold, Boise, Idaho, businessman pilot, who reported at Pendleton, Or., on June 25 that he had seen nine flying at 1200 miles an hour in formation, shifting position "like the tail of a kite," over Washington state's Cascade mountains.

Before scoffers had more than begun to offer explanations such as "reflections," "persistent vision" and "snow blindness," an Oklahoma City private flier, Byron Savage, said he had seen a similarly shaped object some weeks earlier, but that fear of ridicule kept him quiet.

Then the reports began to filter in, mostly from individuals. The discs were seen in Texas, New Mexico, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Missouri, Colorado, California, Arkansas, Nebraska. The number varied from one to a dozen, seen by one or two people mostly.

Reports Come in From East

Then the July 4 deluge hit. Two hundred persons in one group and 60 in another saw them in Idaho; hundreds saw them in Oregon, Washington and other states throughout the West.

And for the first time, the Eastern states had their reports. Observers, earlier all from west of the Mississippi river, came in with reports from Michigan, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Indiana, Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, and Canada's Atlantic seaboard.

Ted Tannich and William Lemon, of Albany, Saturday saw a silvery object fly southward, halt abruptly, and then retrace its course. It was visible for possibly 15 seconds, they said.


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July 5 - Allegan, Michigan

GRAND RAPIDS HERALD (Michigan) 7/7
DETROIT NEWS (Michigan) (UP) 7/7
CHICAGO TRIBUNE (Illinois) 7/7


Dan Conroy, said that a party of 27 persons, including himself, had seen a large group of disc-like objects flying overhead while at a bridge club dinner at Lake Allegan during the evening.

Conroy said that the objects were flying over at a "very high" altitude, and were silver in color.

They appeared to be about 25 feet in diameter, he said, and while he counted 18 objects in all, others in the party said that they had counted as many as 21.


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July 6 - Birmingham, Alabama - between 8:00 P.M. and 9:00 P.M. CST - (6-7:00pmPST)

ANNISTON STAR (Alabama) 7/7


Unusual "Flying Saucers" Reported Over This State

Birmingham Residents Deluge Authorities With Telephone Calls About Celestial Phenomenon;
No Reports Received In Anniston Area


(UP)—— The mysterious flying saucers made their appearance over Birmingham last night in a spectacular display of whirling light, according to reports of hundreds of callers who swamped the telephone lines of the Birmingham Age—Herald.

Reporters, copy readers and even copy boys were pressed into service answering calls from citizens of this town who attested to seeing the whirling disks. The majority of calls came between 8 and 9 p.m. and were from persons in various sections of town.

One of the first to call in was Gene Plumstead, program director for radio station WSGN, who said he saw several disks flying low over a suburban lake here.

Robert B. Crossland, telegraph editor of The Age—Herald, also called in and reported seeing the saucers.

Crossland said he and a group were standing in front of his apartment on Birmingham's southside when the whirling objects appeared.

He described them as looking like rafts moving very fast and in formation. One man told an AP reporter he had seen the disks weeks ago and was ashamed to tell his wife.

The Birmingham Police Department also reported a deluge of calls, as did the weather
bureau.

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July 6 - St. Petersburg Times (Florida) 7/6


Flying Saucers Sailing Through The Air With The Greatest Of Ease Puzzle Hundreds Of Amateur Observers And Scientists In 28 States...

- The nation was baffled today by "flying saucers" reported seen in 28 states by hundreds of persons...


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July 6 - The Oregonian

'Flying Disc' Reports Come From Hundreds, in 28 States

Science Fails to Give Facts
Government Men Ask to See Sample

By Associated Press

The nation was baffled Saturday by the "flying saucers" reported seen in 28 states by hundreds of persons while conjectures on their meaning flew as furiously as the reported speed of the silvery discs.

Official government sources took a "let's see one" stand on the phenomenon, and so scientists preferred a detailed explanation.

Near unanimity was recorded on some of the discs' characteristics — terrific speed, bright reflections, round or oval in shape, flat, and flying with a peculiar undulating motion. Size was moot and expressed by Captain Smith of United Air Lines as "hard to judge" without knowing the distance from the observer to the objects.

An army air forces spokesman in Washington on July 3 said there was not enough fact to "warrant further investigation," but the air materiel command at Wright field, Dayton, Ohio, said it was making a study. Saturday at Washington an army researcher admitted "we're mystified" and the navy said it had no theories.


Astronomers Doubt Meteors

Meanwhile Kenneth Arnold, the man who first reported them, could recall his insistence when his report was widely questioned, that "I don't believe it, either — but I saw it."

Two Chicago astronomers said the discs probably are "manmade." The undulating, flashing objects "couldn't be meteors," said Dr. Gerard Kluper, director of the University of Chicago's Yerkes observatory at Williams Bay, Wis.

"We realize," said Dr. Oliver Lee, director of Northwestern university's Dearborn observatory, "that the army and navy are working on all sorts of things we know nothing about."

Officials of the atomic energy commission in Washington said it had no experiments involving "flying saucers" underway, and one official added, "All we know is what we read in the papers."

An army air force official in Washington said the AAF was "completely mystified" by the saucer reports.


Hanford Role Denied

Although no general alert had been sent out for radar scanning of the heavens, he said: "Reports of the interception of any suspicious object or ground radar screens will be carefully evaluated."

Col. F. J. Clarke commanding officer of the Hanford engineering works in the Pacific coastal area, where the largest saucer influx was reported, said the saucers were not coming from the atomic plant there.

"I have been waiting for someone to tie the discs to the Hanford atomic plant," he said. But he declared that as far as he knew no experiments were under way there that would solve the mystery.

Credence in the saucers — widely laughed off at their first reported appearance June 25 — grew as hundreds of observers, many of them trained fliers, reported seeing them.


Portland Reports Fly

A crowd of 200 observed a disc at Hauser Lake, Idaho, on the Fourth of July. A group of 60 picnickers saw them at Twin Falls, Idaho.

And in Portland so many residents witnessed them that same day that the police department sent out an all cars broadcast.
The discs were seen Saturday in California, Oregon, Washington, Iowa, and South Carolina.

Two persons in different sections of Charleston, S. C. — one of them a newspaper reporter — said a flying saucer passed over Charleston heading east at 6:20 P. M. (EST) Saturday.


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July 7 - Hensley Field, Dallas, Texas - Afternoon

AUSTIN STATESMAN (Texas) 7/7


Deputy Army Air Force Chief of Staff Hoyt Vandenberg stated publicly that the Army Air Force was receiving thousands of queries on the disc sightings.

[A51Watcher]

May 16 1947 - ... went shooting past... traveled to the west at terrific speed
("something that looked like a ball") Valley City, North Dakota - 9:00 P.M. CST

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May 17 1947 - ...tremendous speed.
(more than one plate-shaped object) Bremerton, Washingtonous 

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May 18 1947 - speed estimated at more than 1500 mph (3x current jet speed in those days)
(shiny disc... as big as six B-29 bombers "bigger than any aircraft we have." )
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - Dusk

(Savage stated to FBI investigators that "he was sure this object was not a meteor and in his opinion it must be radically built and powered, probably atomic."
FBI Documents dated 24 July 1947)

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May (last week of) - ...terrific rate of speed ...sped out of view in less than twenty seconds
(formation of four disc-like objects... silvery and appeared "highly polished,"... spinning on their axes... no sound) Augusta, GA

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June 17 1947 - ...tremendous speed.
(more than one plate-shaped object) Bremerton, WA

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June 17 - ...wavered as they flew, and shot off at extreme speeds...
(Three platter-shaped discs) Bremerton, Washington - Late afternoon PST

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June 18 - ...multiple "saucers racing overhead"...speeding out of sight at tremendous velocity - 1,700 mph.
(multiple "saucers racing overhead")Eugene, Oregon

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June 19 - ... as they zoomed over...
(eight to ten discs which were lighted from within) Cedar Rapids, Iowa - Night

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June 22 - traveled at a high rate of speed... and "streaked across the sky" in a matter of only eight to ten seconds...
(a "brilliant, round-shaped silvery-white object") Greenfield, Massachusetts - 11:30 A.M. EST

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June 23 - ...then zoomed away
(a large shiny silver ball hovered for several minutes over a mountain) Clayton, Georgia

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June 23 - terrific speed
(two illuminated discs) Huntsville, Alabama

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June 24 - flew off faster than anything he had seen before
(five or six discs flying silently overhead) Hood River, Oregon - 3:00 P.M. PST
-He noticed that his compass began spinning when the discs passed over.
-His watch also stopped running.

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June 24 - They sped so fast she could not count them
(sighting the "whatzits,") Yakima, Washington - 3:00 P.M. PST (approx)

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June 24 - "I have seen a P-38 appear seemingly on one horizon and then gone to the opposite horizon in no time at all, but these disks certainly were traveling faster than any P-38." Richland, Washington - 2:30 P.M. PST
[Maximum speed of a P-38 was about 440 miles an hour.] "I believe it may be a visitor from another planet."

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24 June - moving at fantastic speeds.
(several flying discs) Yakima, Washington

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24 June - flash by to the north
(nine shiny discs) Washinton - 3:00 P.M. PST

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24 June - "going faster than any planes I ever saw"
(peculiar formation of nine flat, circular objects) Joliet, Illinois 1:50 P.M. CST

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June 25 - approaching at a high rate of speed... disappeared to the south in a matter of seconds.
(a strange oval-shaped object) Pueblo, Colorado

The object was seen first at an estimated altitude of 2,000 feet, and descending rapidly toward the observers' car. It swooped down to 500 feet above the car.

Following this object was another similar one, approaching on the same course. "We were alarmed," Mr. Lowry reported. "As the first one approached, we could see it revolving at tremendous speed on its axis, even faster than its forward flight."

As it reached a point just above and ahead of the car, "it suddenly veered off sharply to the right, and at the same time its companion did likewise."

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June 26 - was moving at a terrific rate of speed."
("The machine, or whatever it was, was a shiny silvery color — very big)
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
"I know that boy up there (Arnold), really saw them."

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June 26 - a "silver ball flashing through the sky" too swift to be an aircraft... "It was a distinctly large ball, moving extremely fast..." It was in the sky one minute, and by the time I had called my son's attention to it, the form had swooshed to almost the horizon point. Then it was gone." - Grand Canyon, Arizona - Day

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June 26 - a pilot was flying a small plane when he saw a "silvery streak" approach him at high speed ... It then disappeared to the east.. - Cedar City, Utah - Just before sundown

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June 26 - great velocity heading eastward
(one silvery colored disc) Cedar City, Utah - 7:45 P.M. MST (6:45pmPST)

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June 26 - traveling at least 1,200 miles per hour
(a round large disc in an easterly direction) Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - 8:30 P.M. CST (6:30pmPST)

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June 28 - approached the observers in a jagged, zigzagging course, with frequent bursts of speed... to a point directly overhead, and the four officers reported that it then made a sharp, sudden 90° turn toward the south... they heard no noise.
(strangely maneuvering light) Montgomery, Alabama - 9:20 p.m. CST (7:20pmPST)

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June 30 - ...moving extremely fast
(V formation contained five disc-shaped objects in perfect line but the ones on the right "seemed to weave.") Hailey, Idaho - 2:30 P.M. MST - (1:30pmPST)
Forest ranger Hunter Nelson, who was marking trees with Nicholson three miles from Galena Summit, counted seven to nine objects in the V- formation. He said "it took the objects but a few seconds" to pass out of view. Both men stressed that point, stating that they flew "-much- faster than any aircraft of that day."

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June 30 - ..."jet planes are very slow in comparison to what I saw."
("a bright, shiny object coming from the west,"appeared to be round," and had no wings or apparent means of propulsion.no motor sound") Spokane, Washington - Afternoon PST

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June 30 - ...flashed westward over Knoxville
(A round bright object) Knoxville, Tennessee - 8:00 P.M EST (5:00pmPST)

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July 1 - ...moving at great speed...
(a silver disc-shaped object) Tucson, Arizona - 9:30 A.M. MST (8:30amPST)

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July 1 - ..."hurtling through the sky at a great rate of speed"
("a lone disc silver—colored and discus—shaped,") Chandler, Arizona - 9:30 A.M. MST (8:30amPST)

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July 1 - "going like blue blazes... it zoomed by in a matter of only fifteen seconds.
(a disc-shaped object... resembled a flattened—out balloon) Dallas, Texas - 12:45 P.M CST (10:45amPST)

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July 1 - ...compared the "saucers" speed to that of a "shooting star."
(saucers in a formation of six to eight objects.) Pendleton, Oregon - Afternoon PST 

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July 1 - ...moving over at a terrific speed.
(disc—like object fly overhead) Sullivan's Island, South Carolina - 9:55 p.m. EST (6:55pmPST)

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JulY 1 - ...speed in excess of 500 mph
(GCA radar picked up an unidentified target which split into two targets, reversed course, broke up into two responses, each estimated to be larger than a P-51, then merged back together again into one large response.) Hokkaido, Japan

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July 1 - ...whizzed overhead heading quickly toward the south.
(six to nine shiny platter—shaped objects) Pendleton, Oregon - Mid-afternoon PST

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July 1 - ...zip over the city of El Paso, hurtled over Mount Franklin and then flew off towards Mexico
(a 'flying disc'shaped like two pie pans rim—to—rim, estimated to be 30 feet in diameter) El Paso, Texas

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July 1 - ...extremely fast speed over Charleston
(disc—shaped object) Charleston, South Carolina - 9:58 P.M. EST (6:58pmPST)

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July 3 - ...zoom by at several thousand feet and make a forty-five degree turn before vanishing toward the southwest.
(a shiny, mirror-like disc) Denver, Colorado - 8:55 A.M. MST (7:55amPST)

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July 3 - ...streaking overhead on a straight course
(three discs) Cincinnati, Ohio - 12:00 P.M. EST (9:00amPST)

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July 4 - ...fly directly overhead at a tremendous speed and disappear over the horizon in a matter of seconds.
(a single disc) Boise, Idaho

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July 4 - ..."catapulting across the sky"
(a disc-shaped object "about 40 to 50 feet in diameter.") Santa Monica, California - 5:00 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...all of a sudden it shot straight up into the sky and vanished in "a fraction of a second."
(shiny aluminum disc—shaped craft to having the appearance of a silver dollar approximately 30 feet across.) Hauser Lake, Idaho - 7:00 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...streaking past Mount Jefferson.
(four disc-shaped objects) Portland, Oregon - 10:59 A.M. PST

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July 4 - ...speeding toward Oregon
(a shiny disc-like object) Idaho - Day

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July 4 - ...They were traveling at a high rate of speed and looked like nothing he had seen before.
(five large, disc—shaped objects dipping up and down in an oscillating fashion. They disappeared quickly, at great speed, two going south and the remaining three going east.) Portland, Oregon - 1:05 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...streaking over toward the southwest
(20 to 30 disc—like objects) Portland, Oregon - 1:05 PST
He was emphatic in saying these objects could not have been regular aircraft.

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July 4 - ...going at "terrific speed" without decelerating, made an abrupt 90—degree turn "with no difficulty"
(a single disc) Portland, Oregon

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July 4 - ...traveling very fast...flying at "terrific speeds"
(three to six silvery, metallic, oscillating, flashing discs.) Portland, Oregon 

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July 4 - ...scudded across the sky at a terrific speed...in a matter of three or four seconds.
(silver disc) Boise, Idaho - 6:30 P.M. MST (5:30pmPST)

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July 5 - ...This effect would be caused if they were very, very large and very high, and flying at a terrific speed -- l,000 miles an hour,"
(discs, seen first directly overhead, "appeared to be made of metal and looked like bright silver) Auburn, California - 2:30 P.M. PST

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July 5 - ...they were moving "very fast" and traveling faster than any aircraft he had ever seen.
(disc-like objects flying northward over the city...)Augusta, Maine - 1:15 P.M. EDT (10:15amPST)

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July 5 - ...a "shooting star" turn and float toward the Phillips Packing Company in Cambridge. It then turned again in an opposite direction.
Cambridge, Maryland - 9:45 P.M. EST (6:45pmPST)

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July 5 - ..."terrific speed,"
("bright, flat object about 12 feet in diameter.") Waterloo, Iowa - 1:30 A.M. CST

J. E. Johnston, reported that a high—speed object had flown over his home. The disc was flying about 25 feet above the ground and made a "rocket—like, swishing noise" as it flew directly over his house, It was too close to the ground to be an airplane.

It was a terrible experience," he added. "It numbed me from head to foot."

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July 5 - ...made a sudden stop, reversing its course almost instantaneously and moved back north. The entire maneuver took place in less than 15 seconds, according to the witnesses.
(a silvery, disc—shaped object) Albany, Oregon - 3:20 P.M. PST

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July 5 - ...approaching at an "excessive speed,"
(it did not "in any way, shape or manner" resemble any type of known aircraft.

The two described the object as "definitely of metal construction," about 20 feet long, and "not exactly round in shape.") Alton, New Hampshire - 4:26 p.m. EDT (1:26pmPST)

Dale had been an ATC pilot during World War II and was thoroughly familiar with all types of conventional aircraft.

Both Dale and Stetson said they "had never seen anything like it" in the air before, and added that its appearance left them both "flabbergasted."

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July 6 - ...a very fast disc appeared over Santa Rosa, California. Observers Calvin McEntire and his brother Jack thought it to be the fastest thing that they had ever seen.

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July 6 - ...two shiny disc-shaped objects zoomed over
Cincinnati, Ohio, 6:00 P.M. EST

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July 6 - ..."It was going like a bat outa hell,"
(bright object which he was convinced "was not an airplane "round and shiny, like silver," "shooting up and down." It made no noise,) Denver, Colorado

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July 6 - ...such a tremendous rate of speed that they were unable to get a good look at them. They tried unsuccessfully to clock them once when one flashed by.
(nine of the 'saucers') Oklahoma and Kansas - 2:30 to 3:00 P.M. MST (1:30 to 2:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...appeared to be moving at incredible speed."
(three strange objects)Norman, Oklahoma - 6:00 P.M. CST (4:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...terrific speed, flashed across the sky
(a disc-shaped object "a large serving dinner plate") Long Beach, California - 1:15 P.M. PST

"it swerved broadside towards the ocean," and then "side-slipped" to the west and vanished from view. They viewed the object for three or four seconds before it disappeared from view.

Both admitted that they had been "awed by the terrific speed and brilliance" of the phenomenon and were now "among the believers."

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July 6 - ...zooming eastward
(two groups of three discs) Shrewsbury, Missouri - 7:45 P.M. CST (5:45pmPST)

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July 6 - ...zoomed over Cincinnati
(Two shiny disc-shaped objects) Cincinnati, Ohio - 6:00 P.M. EST (3:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...moving at over 1,000 miles per hour
(Former Army flying Cadet Hazen Kennedy glimpsed an "orange-colored" object)
Washington, D.C. - 8:40 P.M. EST (5:40pmPST)

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July 6 - ..."It was shooting toward Mount Diablo," He estimated the height of the object at approximately 3,000 feet and said that it was moving "faster than jet planes."
(a disc-shaped object flying rapidly) Pittsburg, California - 8:20 A.M. PST

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July 6 - ..."shooting" westward across the sky, in a V-formation
(a group of disc-like objects) Denver, Colorado - 9:05 P.M. MST  (8:05pmPST)

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July 6 - ...overhead at a high rate of speed
(a silver, disc-like object) Ashland, Oregon - 6:40 a.m. PST

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July 6 - ...rapid speed
(formation of seven disc-shaped objects passing directly overhead) Lake Lotawana, Missouri - 10:00 a.m.

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July 6 - ...hurtle over Mount Tamalpais
(a disc) Mount Tamalpais, California - 1:30 P.M. PST

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July 6 - ...It hovered there momentarily, whirling on its lateral axis at high speed, and then suddenly rose up and disappeared into the clouds...it moved at "a terrific speed."
(a disc-shaped object, It "whirled like a top") Logansport, Indiana

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July 7 - ...took off at a speed estimated at 6,000 miles per hour—calculated by the 25 mile distance the object covered between Koshkonong to Elkhorn in fifteen seconds.
(a "saucer") Koshkonong, Wisconsin 11:45 A.M. CST
At the end of its speedy run the object suddenly stopped and hovered, then disappeared in the distance.

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July 7 - ...It then covered the 22 mile distance between Eagle to Muskego in twenty seconds, placing its speed at 3,960 miles per hour.
(a flying disc) East Troy, Wisconsin 2:30 P.M.

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July 7 - ...the crew figured that it must have been flying 1,440 miles an hour because it overtook and passed their plane in such a short time.
(members of the crew also saw the disc. "I think it was about 18 feet in diameter and looked as though it was made of glass," Sgt. Clifton said. "It was extremely bright and kept flashing.")

It was round and was flying at a slightly tilted angle. "The disc seemed to be spinning as it flew," Sgt. Clifton reported. "It blurred radio reception slightly." 

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July 7 - ...race across the sky over the Salt River Valley north of Phoenix, They were in view for about 25 to 30 seconds, the estimated distance they traveled while under observation indicated a speed well in excess of 1,000 miles an hour.
(two silver, ball-like objects) Phoenix, Arizona: 3:30 p.m. MST

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July 7 - ...flying at terrific speed
(three discs that were in V-formation and were brightly illuminated.) Tacoma, Washington 10:45 p.m. PST

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July 8 - ...started moving at a terrific speed
(Disc) Portland, Oregon - 2:05 P.M. PST 
-...Multiple reports over city

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July 8 - ...Russo, who had piloted 35 combat missions over Europe, estimated their speed at 850 miles per hour.
(six disc-shaped objects in the formation) Avalon, California - 1:00 P.M. PST
Several hundred witnesses on Santa Catalina Island off Long Beach observed a formation of "saucers."

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July 8 - ...a P-51 pilot at 20,000 feet spotted a wingless, tailless "flat object of light-reflecting nature." He twice attempted an intercept but could not climb high enough.
40 miles south of Muroc 3:50 P.M.

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July 8 - ...beyond capability of known aircraft
(two saucer or disc shaped objects) Muroc Army Air Field, Calif. 10:00 a.m. (PDT).

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July 8 - ...fifty miles up and making over fifteen thousand mph
(six fast moving silvery-white saucers) Muroc Air Force Base

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July 10 - ...incredible speed
("flying tin lid" shaped object reflected sunlight brilliantly) Smyrna, Georgia - 5:30 p.m. EDT

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July 10 - ...terrific speed
("mysterious flying saucers." two dozen objects flew in first a V formation and then into a straight line) Mission, British Columbia - 9:50 p.m. local time

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July 10 - ...dazzling burst of speed ...the lead disc suddenly shot upward, the other three followed and all were out of sight in a twinkling of the eye.
(formation of six, luminous spherical craft) Morristown, New Jersey - Morning

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July 13 - ...several aircraft pilots who tried in vain to pursue it
(A round object flying over Baker Valley with a "dipping motion") Baker Valley, Oregon

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July 28 - ..."going like hell when it disappeared."
(a bizarre object) Boise Statesman (Idaho) - 8:34 p.m. MST

Captain Gibian described that it appeared to be "weaving," as if "it were going through choppy air" Both men watched it vanish from view and agreed that they had never seen such a thing before. They also felt certain what they saw could not have been an aircraft.

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July 29 - ...three to four times the apparent speed of a P-80 jet fighter also in sight ...The P-80 flew in excess of 250 miles per hour as the unknowns proceeded to pass by the jet "as if it was standing still."
(two round, shiny white objects) Hamilton Air Base, California - 2:50 p.m. PDT

Lieutenant Stewart piloted B-29 bombers during the war and had considerable experience as a flyer. He conveyed authority to Intelligence officers when questioned, stating that the objects were "unlike any conventional type of aircraft he had ever seen."

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August 17 - ...flying above them at a tremendous rate of speed
(sphere shaped craft) Fort Richardson, Alaska (September 19 file)

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August 17 - ...shot off to the southeast at great speed.
(a disc-shaped object) Mt. Josephine, Washington

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August 18 - ...speed estimated at 900 miles per hour by pilot and copilot
(Two silver round flat disc-shaped objects, looking like "skeet targets") Mountain Home, Idaho - 12:00 p.m.

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August 19 - ..."terrific speed"
(multiple groups of flying objects in the night sky. These formations resembled a "glow in the air" the color of electric lights. The "lights" flew in triangular formations. At one point three of them peeled-off of a larger group of ten and sped away in a different direction.) Twin Falls, Idaho - 9:39 P.M. MST

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Aug 19 - ..."tremendous speed"
(5 luminous objects in horizontal flight "looking like electric lights") Twin Falls, Idaho - 9:30 p.m.

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September 12 - ...zooming out of sight at tremendous speed (in six seconds), estimated at over 1,000 miles per hour.
(two separate orbs) Midway Island - 1:00 A.M. local time