The Day Before Roswell

[robomont]

wow,what a long thread.took me over two hours to read.
excellent job.
thats alot of research.

my uncle made microchip blanks in garland tx.outside of dallas.
he avoided signing non compete and non disclosure by being a football player for university in pennsylvania.he had practice that day.
so he took what he learned about making micro chips and ran with it.thats the family story.supposedly galium arsenide chips are less supsceptable to emp.they are in heat seeking missiles and f16s.
the same industrial park had a business that created the annotated allende letters.there is also garrett electronics metal detectors.
we also have the giant abandoned supercollider  just outside dallas.great place to store a fleet of saucers.someone once suggested building a giant complex in the chalk formation under dallas.maybe that space is already occupied.
if you accept that saucers may be highperformance blimps,then the skin is made near dallas also.titanium silicon carbide.memory foil that can handle 4000F heat and almost bullet proof.
if you add that the people in planes celt static charge at a distance of a mile.with the energy to distance ratio means the craft has a very powerful power supply.
how do we know they are alien?
the hopis say they lived underground with the ant people.maybe they live under the sea too.thats why they never land on water.they submerge.
if xrays can escape a blackhole then xrays are not effected by gravity.
if the craft expels xrays in all directions then to the physical world,the craft is just one big photon.this means the only gravity that effects the passengers is the mass of the craft.anotherwords,you can make high speed tight turns with no g.

[Pimander]

NOTE TO NEW MEMBERS

This is a must read thread if you are new to the site.

[VillageIdiot]

As regards these craft being "in the neighborhood", I've had some personal experiences which lead me to agree with other posters that they are interdimensional.

Now that I've labeled myself as a nut, I retreat to read the rest of the thread.

[karl 12]

NOTE TO NEW MEMBERS

This is a must read thread if you are new to the site.

It certainly is an awesome thread mate with some remarkable research - below are some relevant E-book links and a good interview with Kenneth Arnold 30 years after his 1947 sighting.

Report on the UFO Wave of 1947 -

by Ted Bloecher, Introduction by Dr James E. Mcdonald.[/b]

During the summer of 1947 a bizarre and inexplicable situation developed in North America for which, up to the time of the writing of this report, twenty years later, no satisfactory explanation has been forthcoming. Beginning in the latter part of June, people in widely separated places and from all walks of life began to report having seen shining, high-speed, strangely maneuvering objects in the sky. In most of these reports the objects were described as round or disc-shaped. For more than a week sightings were made in continuously increasing numbers. On July 4th the reports rose sharply and spontaneously, and for five days there was scarcely any part of the United States that had not been visited by these strangely elusive aerial objects. Reports came from many points in Canada as well. The number of sightings crested on July 7th, and during the next few days reports began to diminish until, about a week later, only a handful were being made from scattered sections of the country. Although the objects themselves had all but vanished, interest and speculation about them continued for some time after. A wave of sightings of unidentified flying objects had occurred. Flying saucers had become part of the language and the subject of fickle interest and ever-increasing confusion.

Link

Alfred Loedding and the great flying saucer wave of 1947 -

by Michael D Hall & Wendy A Conners.

This book is an acute analysis of the myriad of UFO sightings that were reported across the U.S. during the summer of 1947. Hundreds of unidentified flying objects were seen all over the country and both the mainstream media and the military took the phenomenon very seriously.

But where does Alfred Loedding come into the picture? Well, Mr. Loedding was a civilian engineer for the U.S. Air Force at the time, specializing in low-aspect design aircraft, such as flying wings or flying disks, i.e. exactly the type of aircrafts that were being sighted around the country.

So, due to his expertise he became involved in the investigation of the UFOs, relaying information between the Air Force and the Pentagon. Loedding became a member of Project Sign, which was the Air Force's formal UFO investigation unit. When the Air Force ended its UFO investigation program in 1969, Loedding had investigated hundreds of UFO reports and interviewed countless witnesses.

Link (pdf)

The Flying Saucers Are Real

by Donald Keyhoe [1950]

This was one of the first books published about the UFO phenomena. We are fortunate that it ended up in the public domain.

It is a template for much of what would follow: the paranoia, the government disinformation, the inescapable conclusion that the saucers are not of this earth. Keyhoe, with his spare, matter of fact writing style, which also conveys a profound sense of wonder, has to be the prototype for the deadpan Fox Mulder of the X-Files.

On one hand we can see the birth of a key modern mythology. On the other, there is a body of almost naive evidence in this text unpolluted by that very mythology. The case studies are real. The witnesses were highly reliable. These cases are still unexplained.

link

Interview:

[Pimander]

Good links Karl.  The first two have been important sources for our research.

[zorgon]

Ran across this old newspaper...

[zorgon]

All I have on this one is 1956

[A51Watcher]

And here we are 65 years later, and -still- no country has displayed technology like this that were recorded doing 15,000 mph and instantaneous 90 degree turns.

And so, in 1947, whose could they have been?

[A51Watcher]

Time for a Deuem update to a sighting listed earlier in this thread -

July 10 1947 - Morristown, New Jersey - Early A.M. EST

MORRISTOWN DAILY RECORD (New Jersey) 7/11


Six daylight discs observed from aircraft


John H. Janssen, editor of the Daily Record reported that on the preceding morning he "caught a glint in the sky and saw a formation of six luminous spherical craft, with hazy rings around them flying in a trail at about 10,000 feet in the sky" above him.

He grabbed his camera and "quickly fitted a filter to his camera lens" -



"I had only time for this one picture. While I was turning the film for the next exposure the lead disc suddenly shot upward and toward New York City in a dazzling burst of speed. The other three followed and all were out of sight in a twinkling of the eye."

"In my brief glimpse of the discs I did notice that the lead one was of a dull metallic color and the others appeared to be of a silvery hue."

"From where I stood on the top of my car watching the strange craft," he said, "I guessed them to be anywhere from 100 to 300 feet in diameter. The circumference was the thinnest part of the ships and widened toward the middle where possibly they could be ten to twenty feet high."

While chatting with Deuem last night I finally remembered to have him take a look at the above photo.

He only had time to run "the one in the middle" the one on the far right of the line of four.

Here is the result -





Amazing work D!!

He expects to run the other craft later when he gets home.

Sander he would like you to look at that one if you could please. (me too!  )

[Elvis Hendrix]

CONFIDENTIAL

 


HEADQUARTERS MUROC ARMY AIR FIELD
OFFICE OF THE COMMANDING OFFICER
MUROC, CALIFORNIA


jsr/TAM                 
14 August 1947                 







      SUBJECT:      Investigation of "Flying Discs" 
 
     
      TO:       Commanding General 
         Headquarters Fourth Air Force 
         Hamilton Field, 
       San Francisco, California 
     
     
   
      ATTEN:       AC of S, A-2

 
        1:            In compliance with your LEAD SHEET dated 6 August 1947,
subject,   Investigation of   "Flying Saucers",  the enclosed statements
are submitted for your information. 



signed                           


HARRY. D. BLACK                     
Captain, MAC,                           
Intelligence Officer                     
 


  Inc.  1-8 Statements Re: "Flying Discs" 

A F F I D A V  I  T

 


STATE OF CALIFORNIA)
COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given by 1st. Lt. Joseph C. McHenry, Billeting Officer, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 11 July 1947, to Mr. Thomas A. McMillan, CIC S/A. this station.

     The following statement concerning the actual observance of what has been termed as a "flying Disc" or a "flying saucer" is true and correct and it will be noted that the above mentioned observance was made by me personally while enjoying complete health in mind and body.

     On Tuesday 8 July 1947, at approximately nine-thirty A.M. (09:30) was in conversation with personnel in the Post Exchange Office. My part of this conversation was as follows:


     "Someone will have to show me one of these Disc (sic) before I will believe it."

     Upon leaving the Post Exchange, I went directly to my Office and before entering heard one of our local aircraft in the traffic pattern. Looking up, as I always do I observed the aircraft, and looked slightly to the left, whereupon I observed two (2) silver objects of either a spherical or disc-like shape, moving about three hundred (300) miles an hour, or perhaps less, as approximately eight thousand (8000) feet, heading at about three hundred twenty degrees (320) due north.

     When I first observed these objects I called S/Sgt. Gerald E. Nauman, T/Sgt. Joseph Ruvolo and Miss Jannette Marie Scotte who immediately came to where I was standing. I pointed in the direction of the objects, and asked them the question "Tell me what you see up there." Whereupon, all the three (3) with sundry comments stated, "They are flying Disc". To further verify my observance I asked them to tell me in what direction the objects were traveling, without indicating their direction myself, and again, all three (3) in a consistant nature stated that the objects were moving toward Mojave, California.

     I had time to look away several times and renew my vision of the objects to make sure that they were not any results of eye strain, or in any nature an optical illusion. The objects in question were not repeat, were not aircraft, the objects could not have been weather balloons released from this station, since they were traveling against the prevailing wind, and since the speed in which they were traveling, disqualified the fact that they were weather balloons.



 

CONFIDENTIAL
 
     After the observance of these phenomenon and hoping that I might have time to enlist further witnesses, I immediately ran into the dispensary to get personnel who are Medical Officers to verify, for my own curiosity, the actual observance of these objects, but by the time I reached the back porch seven (7) other personnel were with me, the objects had by that time, disappeared, due to the speed with which they were traveling. Upon further investigation, two (2) of us at the same time sighted another object of a silver spherical or disc-like nature at approximately eight thousand (8000) feet, traveling in circles over the North-end. I called the objects to the attention of Mrs. Naum and pointed it out to the other personnel standing near by. All of us saw the object, with the exception of two (2) out of seven (7) personnel. All of us looked away from the object to make sure there was no eye strain or from permitting the object to become an optical illusion.

     From my actual observance the object circled in too tight a circle and too severe a plane to be any aircraft that I know of. It could not have been any type of bird because of the reflection that was created when the object reached certain altitudes. The object could not have been a local weather balloon for it is very impossible that a weather balloon would stay at the same altitude as long and circle in such a consistant nature as did the above mentioned object.

     I am familiar with the results of too constant vision of the sun or any bright object and am aware that optical illusions are possible and probable. I wish to make this statement that the above mentioned observance was that of actual subject matter.

     This statement has been given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of two (2) pages, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.


s/s  joseph c  mc henry
1ST. LT. JOSEPH C. MC HENRY, AC



CONFIDENTIAL
 

 
A F F I D A V  I  T
 

STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given by Major Richard R. Shoop, Office of Chief of Tech. Engineering Division, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 11 July 1947

      At approximately noon on 8 July 1947, my attention was called to an object in the air by Colonel Gilkey. I observed between five (5) and eight ( miles to the North what appeared to be a thin metallic object. It appeared to be metallic because the method in which it was flying caused the sun to reflect like an apparently aluminum colored surface. The object moved from an intermediate altitude in an oscillating fashion, almost to the surface of the ground and then started climbing again. It climbed to a fairly high altitude and moved off slowly into the distance. The object appeared to be the size of a pursuit airplane but did not have the shape of a conventional plane. The time that the object was in view was approximately eight ( minutes. This same object was seen by my wife at the same time.

     This statement was given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.


s/s   richard r. shoop
MAJOR, RICHARD R. SHOOP, AC
 

CONFIDENTIAL
 

 
A F F I D A V  I  T

 
STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given by Captain John Paul Strapp, Flight Test, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given to Mr. Thomas A. McMillan, CIC Agent, this Station, on 12 August 1947.

     At 11:50 hours, 8 July 1947, while the undersigned was sitting in an observation truck located in Area # 3, Rogers Dry Lake, for the purpose of observing a P-82 ejection seat experiment, the following unfamiliarity was observed.

      The undersigned was gazing upward toward a formation of two (2) P-82's and an A-26 aircraft flying at 20,000 feet, preparing to carry out a seat ejection experiment, when I observed a rounded object, white aluminum in color, which at first resembled a parachute canopy. The first impression was that a premature ejection of the seat and dummy had occurred. This body was ejected at a determined height lower than 20,000 feet, and was falling at three (3) times the rate observed for the parachute which ejected thirty minutes later. As it fell it drifted slowly north of due west against the prevailing wind, toward Mount Wilson. The speed, horizontal motion could not be determined, but appeared slower than the maximum velocity 50-80 aircraft.

     As this object descended through a low enough level to permit observation of its lateral silhouette, it presented a distinct ovular outline, with two (2) projections on the upper surface which might have been thick fins or nobs. These crossed each other at intervals, suggesting either rotation or oscillation of slow type.

     No smoke flames, propellar arks, engine noise, or other clasuable or visible means of propulsion were noted. The color was silvery, resembling aluminum painted fabric, and did not appear as dense as a parachute canopy.

     When the object dropped to a level such that comes into line of vision of the mountain tops, it was lost to the vision of the observer.

     It is estimated that the object was in line of vision for about 90 seconds. Of the five (5) people sitting in the observation truck, four (4) observed this object and made remarks about it. These people include:


Mr Lenz - Civilian, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio
(Other names not given)
     The following is my own personal opinions about this subject:


     1.  I think it was a man-made object, as evidenced distinctly by the the outline and functional appearance.

 


CONFIDENTIAL


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CONFIDENTIAL
 
     2.   It's size was not far from 25 feet with a parachute canopy.

     3.   The path followed by this object appeared as though it might have been dropped from a great height.

     Seeing this was not a hallucination or other fancies of a sense.

     This statement was given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of two (2) pages, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.


s/s    john paul strapp
CAPTAIN JOHN PAUL STRAPP, AC
 


CONFIDENTIAL
 

 
A F F I D A V  I  T

 
STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

 

     The following is a statement given by Major J. C. Wise, Test Pilot, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given to Mr. Thomas A. McMillan, CIC Agent, This Station, on 13 August 1947.

     On 7 July 1947, at approximately 10:10, while running up the XP-84 on the ground I noticed everyone was looking up into the air. Off to the north about 10,000 feet altitude, was an object that I assumed at first to be a weather balloon, but after looking at it for a while I noticed that it was oscillating in a forward whirling movement without losing altitude. It was traveling about 200 to 225 MPH, and heading from west to east.

     The object was yellowish white in color and I would estimate that it was a sphere about 5 to 10 feet in diameter.

     I did not have time to chase it in a P-80.

     This statement was given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief.


s/s   j.c.wise   
MAJOR J.C. WISE, AC



A F F I D A V  I  T

 
STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given on 14 July 1947, by Jannette Marie Scott, Secretary to 1st Lt. J. C. McHenry, Billeting Officer, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California.

     I am fully aware of my Civil and Constitutional Rights, and understand prior to making this statement.

     On Tuesday morning 8 July 1947, at approximately 10:00m while typing some cards, and taking care of my routine work, Lieutenant McHenry called me, along with T/Sgt. Joseph Ruvolo and S/Sgt. Gerald E. Nauman, to the front of B.O.Q. "A" Bldg. Pointing up in a direction directly above me he asked us to explain what we saw. There were two, silver colored disc like objects flying toward Mojave, California, one directly back of the other, at a speed of about 300 to 400 miles per hour, having an altitude of approximately 8000 feet. I listened carefully for a few minutes, and heard no drone, such as should be heard from any aircraft. I also cast my eyes to another direction and looking back to the same spot, I was able to distinguish the same objects again. Having assured myself that there was no eye-strain, I was convinced these objects were not weather balloons due to the horizontal position in which they were flying. Nor could they have been birds of any nature, due to the definite reflection from the sun rays.

     I have been on this Base, considering an absence of six months, approximately eighteen months, and am familiar with all type aircraft.

     About three or four minutes, after these flying objects had nearly disappeared, I glanced around and sighted another flying object, similar to the above mentioned objects. This flying object was silver colored and was in the shape of a disc. Unlike the first two this object was flying in a tight circle, neither losing nor gaining altitude, at approximately eight thousand feet, therefore I was convinced it could not have been a weather balloon, and because of the tight circle it could not have been any type aircraft.

     This statement was given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belife.(sic) I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.

     I am of sound mind and body, and swear that this statement is true and correct.


s/s     jannette marie scott 
        Jannette Marie Scott



A F F I D A V  I  T

 
STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given by S/Sgt. Gerald E Nauman, 4144th, AAFBU, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 14 July 1947, to 1st. J. C. McHenry, Billeting Officer.

     On the eight of July 1947 at ten o'clock (10:00) in the morning I observed personally two (2) flying disc, flying in a north east direction at an estimated altitude of seven or eight thousand feet, traveling at approximately three or four hundred miles per hour.

     Just a few minutes before this I was in the Billeting Office and First Lieutenant Joseph C. McHenry, called me and two (2) others outside. He then asked us what we saw. I saw two (2) objects with my own eyes, and I am now and was then in perfect physical condition. I have 20-20 vision and I am positive these two (2) objects could not have been aircraft, weather balloon or birds. Due to the altitude in which they were flying, they gave off a definite reflection from the rays of the sun.

     In addition to these two (2) disc I saw another object a few minutes later at the same altitude doing certain maneuvers such as flying in a tight circle. The two disc had already disappeared. This object to my knowledge of aircraft could not have been a airplane because of the very tight maneuver it was undergoing. I have been flying in and have been around all type of aircraft since 1943 and never in my life have I seen anything such as this. If necessary I can and will swear to this statement.

     This statement has been given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.


s/s   t.c.robinson   
PFC. T.C. ROBINSON



A F F I D A V  I  T

 
STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given by T/Sgt. Joseph Ruvolo, 4144th, AAFBU, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 14th July 1947, to 1st Lt. J. C. McHenry, Billeting Officer.

     This is my own written statement of what I saw on July 8, 1947.

     I am NCO in charge of the Billeting Office, this field, and First Lieutenant Joseph C. McHenry, is Billeting Officer in Charge.

     About 09:45 he was returning from the Post exchange when he called to me to come outside and asked me to look up to where he was pointing and to my surprise I saw two (2) flying objects which appeared to me like two (2) flying disc or saucer shaped silver colored objects, flying in a northwestern direction at speed approximately 350 or 400 miles per hour and at an altitude of about 7500 or 8000 feet. I could not hear a motor roar like one of our planes and it could not have been a balloon.

     I am of good health and sound mind and this was no halucination.(sic)

     This statement has been given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.


s/s      joseph ruvolo   
S/Sgt. JOSEPH RUVOLO



CONFIDENTIAL




HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE
Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California



TITLE Investigation of Flying Disc.       INVESTIGATION MADE AT: Muroc AAF, Muroc, Calif.

 
CONTROLLING OFFICE Air Defense Command, Mitchel Field.

FILE No. 1208-I
PERIOD COVERED      8 July 1947

CASE CLASSIFICATION    Incident   

DATE 18 August 1947
STATUS OF CASE           Pending   


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REASON FOR INVESTIGATION:   Investigation initiated at request of Air Defense Command reference ltr Hq ADC, dtd 7 Jul 47, file D333.5 ID, subj: Investigation of Flying Disc


http://www.project1947.com/fig/47docdex.htm

[A51Watcher]

Good stuff Elvis, thanks for the addition.

I am still amazed that Deuem managed to pull anything out of that photo above.

I guess that just proves that old photons never die, they just shade away.

[Elvis Hendrix]

Yea Deuem will find it if it's there.
That period is intense.
The hay day .

[A51Watcher]

The Washington Daily News, p. 2, July 8, 1947

HOLLYWOOD-- Orson Welles, the original man from Mars broadcaster, said today he didn't have a thing to do with the flying discs. 

"Once was enough," he finished.

[1967sander]

Hi there,

(1) I took a look at the picture and noticed that the UFO are out of focus. There is motion blur of 5 pixels at an angle of 31 degrees.
(2) I corrected motion blur and increased size of the image using Lanczos 4.
(3) Removed ringing, corrected contrast levels and adjusted colours.
(4) Finally I performed polynomial texture mapping and used the depth map in combination withRedfield++ filtration. 

The result is a formation of UFO which now appear to have the same shape.

[robomont]

Good job sander.thankyou