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Started by petrus4, December 20, 2012, 02:18:49 PM

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petrus4

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Amaterasu

Right on, Petrus!

I had a link once (can't find it now - scrubbed from the interweb?) to a study of American "wild west" towns, comparing them to eastern "gun ban" towns of roughly equivalent size and industry...

What They found was that in the towns where everyOne was presumed armed, crime rates were immensely lower than in towns where everyOne was presumed unarmed...

Food for thought.
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Pimander

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Quote from: Amaterasu on December 20, 2012, 07:06:42 PM
I had a link once (can't find it now - scrubbed from the interweb?) to a study of American "wild west" towns, comparing them to eastern "gun ban" towns of roughly equivalent size and industry...
We live in 2012 now.  In the UK crime is lower that the USA where there is 20 times as many guns.  Do the math!

We also don't literally live in middle Earth or a role play game like Warcraft. ::)

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Topend2

Seeme China is demanding that the USA disarm, yea right, why would you want that China I wonder.

Pimander

Quote from: Topend2 on December 20, 2012, 11:43:59 PM
Seeme China is demanding that the USA disarm, yea right, why would you want that China I wonder.
We aren't talking about the armed forces.  Doh!

Oooooh lovely arms dealers, you wouldn't want to sell less bullets and guns now would you.  Sound stupid don't I?  Yes?

petrus4

Quote from: Pimander on December 20, 2012, 07:52:26 PM
We also don't literally live in middle Earth or a role play game like Warcraft. ::)

I know that was supposed to hurt, Pimander; but just so that you know, it didn't. ;)
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Amaterasu

Quote from: Pimander on December 20, 2012, 07:52:26 PM
We live in 2012 now.  In the UK crime is lower that the USA where there is 20 times as many guns.  Do the math!

We also don't literally live in middle Earth or a role play game like Warcraft. ::)

What has that to do with the fact that People are more polite and long-suffering if everyOne is presumed armed?  I might point out that the crime rate here is higher BECAUSE of (and particularly in places with very stringent) gun control "laws."

The gun crimes are MUCH higher per capita in NYC and Chicago than the areas where gun "laws" are lax.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

astr0144

Question is was this a  one off or a deliberate set up shooting  as described by Alex Jones to bring in more control tyranny !

NRA calls for armed police officer in every school..


WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation's largest gun-rights lobby called Friday for armed police officers to be posted in every American school to stop the next killer "waiting in the wings."

The National Rifle Association broke its silence on last week's shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that left 26 children and staff dead.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," the group's top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, said at a Washington news conference.

LaPierre said "the next Adam Lanza," the man responsible for last week's mayhem, is planning an attack on another school.

"How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave, while provoking others to try to make their mark," LaPierre said. "A dozen more killers, a hundred more? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?"

He blamed video games, movies and music videos for exposing children to a violent culture day in and day out. "In a race to the bottom, many conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate, and offend every standard of civilized society, by bringing an even more toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty right into our homes," LaPierre said.

http://news.yahoo.com/nra-calls-armed-police-officer-every-school-162851713.html

Pimander

Quote from: petrus4 on December 21, 2012, 11:21:37 AM
I know that was supposed to hurt, Pimander; but just so that you know, it didn't. ;)
On the contrary.  It was supposed to be flippant and slightly amusing. :)

I'm not sure what kind of person you think I am but you are probably very much mistaken.  There are very few people alive I would actually wish to hurt. ::)

Pimander

Quote from: Amaterasu on December 21, 2012, 05:08:43 PM
The gun crimes are MUCH higher per capita in NYC and Chicago than the areas where gun "laws" are lax.
Crime rates are also linked to the levels of poverty in a place.

Pimander

Quote from: astr0144 on December 21, 2012, 06:33:46 PM
Question is was this a  one off or a deliberate set up shooting  as described by Alex Jones to bring in more control tyranny !
No.  It may be used by any side of a political argument but that is as far as it goes.

Controlling guns is not tyranny.  It actually saves lives.  An awful lot of people are not fit to bear arms.