'Sirius' Documentary Reveals DNA Test Results On Ata, The '6-Inch Alien'

[andolin]

This whole argument assumes that we have some sort of verified baseline extraterrestrial DNA. Hell if the planet was colonized by ET and (As some parties suggest)..The whole Human species as we know it is a result of ET genetic experimentation, How in the hell will we ever know unless ET shows up and takes claim..In the meantime, I'm just going to put Greer and company on my list of people I'll listen to, but not inherently believe without real SCIENTIFIC evidence. So far he has been lacking in the latter...Promises to keep Dr. Greer.?? Oh and before anybody claims the DNA is unclear and therefore alien..Well there is a lot of Junk DNA out there that the genome has not accounted for yet...The DNA may not be clear, but that doesn't make it ET.

[Somamech]

The Little Alien is hitting the MSM here in Oz in the last 12 hours....


Bizarre skeleton leaves UFO hunters and scientists baffled

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/bizarre-skeleton-leaves-ufo-hunters-and-scientists-baffled-20130508-2j7a6.html#ixzz2SodBfyzt

[1Worldwatcher]

The Little Alien is hitting the MSM here in Oz in the last 12 hours....


Bizarre skeleton leaves UFO hunters and scientists baffled

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/bizarre-skeleton-leaves-ufo-hunters-and-scientists-baffled-20130508-2j7a6.html#ixzz2SodBfyzt

The whole problem with this "Breaking Fantastical Discovery" is the time it took to get out as far as research goes, and the association of the Greer associates and affiliations there in and of his ability to make big money off of these little venture's.

If it weren't for the association of the researcher/Scientists and the Greer connection, it may be more acceptable, but it is do convoluted for both time and the eventual answer's that it doesn't make any real sense as too why so long, other than to make the money during the fund raising time during the wait.

Any real sciences would have been on this ASAP, it would have been the biggest thing in human History to have taken place. Now,as far as the Alien DNA vs. Human DNA, I am a strong advocate of the AA theory, it is more feasible than what we are led too believe by way of religions or religious aspects, and answer's many more question's, so DNA comparison may very well be one and the same as far as detecting or recognizing a DNA anomalous Gene pooling that we have yet to recognize with in ourselves thus far, for those scientists and Geneticists that are declaring what they can't Identify as 'Junk' DNA, which is sad in itself.

Drop the time it took, and then Greer from the sciences and research involved, you have a a palatable possibility for deductive understanding, not a decade of planning and rhetorical dismissive Blah blah crap.

IMHO......

1WW

[petrus4]

Any real sciences would have been on this ASAP, it would have been the biggest thing in human History to have taken place.

This isn't the first time I've seen this claim made.  It is demonstrably false.  Scientists will get excited about new developments, as long as said developments are not challenging to the status quo.  Radical or paradigm-breaking events, however, are not welcomed at all.  Scientists very often want nothing to do with them.

[Pimander]

When I refer to the DNA code, I am talking about the instructions referred to in this video.  They are similar for all known DNA based species on Earth.  Examples of these instructions would be the instruction to stop copying (a stop codon) or an instruction to start copying (start codon).  These instructions are found near the beginning and end of genes.  The absence of these in certain patterns could be checked for using bioinformatics (which uses computers to study DNA, RNA and protein sequences)

The chances that this code is the same for ETs would be slim unless something very mysterious is happening.

Because you imply that you can tell "just by looking", and unless you know what to look for and where, you simply can't.

As I said, something to look for could well be along these lines....

A DNA sample taken from tissue that looks like nonsense DNA sequences to a human molecular geneticist.

If the DNA sequence can be read by human transcriptional apparatus (the enzymes that read/copy the genetic code) or translational apparatus (the enzymes that read the genetic code to make proteins) then it is practically impossible to make the case that it is from a non-terrestrial source.  If the code makes sense then its probably from Earth.

One day we may have ET samples to change the situation but that is OFFICIALLY the state of play.

Further, the indicators as to whether the DNA in question is Terrestrial or not does not have to be in the biology or chemistry. It can be in the actual data itself, and quite well hidden in plain sight.

I am saying it will be in the data not the chemistry myself.  I agree.

I have to presume that you are like me in this regard; knowledgeable in some aspects of this question, but, not in all.

How Frank can I be?  I doubt there are many scientists on Earth who are in a position to openly tell you more than I can without losing their security clearance.

[Pimander]

The DNA may not be clear, but that doesn't make it ET.

Agreed.

If the DNA is taken from living tissue and none of the coding sequence can be read by known transcription/translation factors, then that is a CLUE that it may be of ET origin.  It is not proof on its own.

If the sample was from an extraterrestrial source then that would be pretty strong and as near to proof as you are likely to get.

[1Worldwatcher]

This isn't the first time I've seen this claim made.  It is demonstrably false.

This I can understand, but I don't think this assumption too be Unfathomable for future research and scientific intuitive understanding.

Scientists will get excited about new developments, as long as said developments are not challenging to the status quo.

There are other types out there petrus, I have too believe this, there is way way too much interest in getting to the bottom of these paranormal issues with in ET and their validity with in our societal grasp. I believe there are those scientists out there that are thinking out side the box, apprehensive as they may be, someone some time will be finding something irrefutable and controversial at the same time. IMHO

Radical or paradigm-breaking events, however, are not welcomed at all.  Scientists very often want nothing to do with them.

Well, TPTB are softening to the whole idea, can't deny that. Problem is, we don't need to spend years and years holding possibly tangible evidence supporting this assumption or theory, then milk it for what it is worth, this is where the public and the MSM get into Skepticism that they seemingly create during such secretive times, and also financially burdening while they sell books, do television and then charge for news release information, it is more of a Capitalism thing at this point to me, not a 'Humbling' one petrus.

1WW

[karl 12]

It does look a bit like this one photographed with 1930?s adventurer Robert Ripley which was called "Atta-Boy" and also found in the Atacama Desert.

Believe it or Not: The Atacama "Alien" is Human, and Ripley Knew It First

Just the other day I was flipping through "Search for the Shrunken Heads", a particularly fun book that chronicles some of Robert Ripley's 1930?s adventures around the world, when I noticed a photograph of Ripley holding a particularly familiar tiny humanoid. According to the intrepid adventurer's notes, the oddity turned out to be an unfortunate soul who was chosen for a full-body "reduction" rather than just a shrinking of the head.

Interestingly enough, Robert Ripley found the shrunken body in Peru and named it "Atta-Boy", after the nearby Atacama Desert.. the same desert where Dr. Steven Greer would eventually find the humanoid body in Sirius. Hardly a coincidence worth ignoring..

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[Pimander]

Scientists will get excited about new developments, as long as said developments are not challenging to the status quo.  Radical or paradigm-breaking events, however, are not welcomed at all.  Scientists very often want nothing to do with them.

This is absolute nonsense.  Most scientists would like a Nobel Prize and you get them for radical new ideas.  What most conspiracy theorists perceive as wanting nothing to do with "paradigm-breaking" findings is scientific rigour.

There are always a large number of career scientists holding professorships who have a vested interest in the status quo.  On the other hand the majority of scientists career prospects would be enhanced by radical new findings but only if they can be supported by other work.  That other work is slow to come not because of the majority of scientists would not welcome it at all but because the people holding the purse strings are the most conservative within science - partly due to their own career protecting bias and other well documented problems.

It is the soft or pseudo sciences like archaeology where things are slowest to change.  Think pyramids and pre-Sumerian civilisations; think catastrophism.  That is where it is far harder to make so called scientists revise their views.


A semi-truth would be:  Paradigms shift are not due to the leaders in science accepting the new findings but to the fact that they will retire or die.

[1Worldwatcher]

It does look a bit like this one photographed with 1930?s adventurer Robert Ripley which was called "Atta-Boy" and also found in the Atacama Desert.


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Great memory or find karl 12 !!! I remember this episode when it was aired. As a boy, our family never missed these shows. Forgotten all about this, bares more credence of the "Amnesia" that we as a society are facing, I have even forgotten about this, amnesia is rampant!!! LOL

1WW

[Anthra]

 
Pie, 1WW;

I feel that I should disagree vehemently with you on the  "desire"/'willingness" of Terrestrial science to discover anything at all about ET. Hell, it seems that your entire species doesn't really want to know. All you ever do is talk, your scientists, and hoaxers alike don't see to ever get past the first "notion" connected with the process.

I've looked at the data available, such as it is. As a "Data scientist" I feel like I should shout out that all the evidence, data, "proof" if you will, is available and wholly unorganized! If the sum of UFO and ET data (just the recorded data) were to be organized into a "real" database, a simple mining process would likely result in all the "proof" you need, as well as a large amount of species specific data for several different ET species.

Science isn't interested in the real answers yet. If they were they would have already produced a mountain of additional data and evidence to augment some 60+ years of Ufology. But, alas, they sit on their collective asses and judge UFO's and ET just like "BillyBob" and all the other rednecks. This is not a case where a "redneck knee jerk reaction" will work, in fact, it will not only fail to produce what you need, but will likely result in your species being held back another 1000 years. You have reached a point in your history where someone truly NEEDS to venture off the reservation and ... oh hell, take the big risk and do nearly anything.

Hell, let me just say; there are people on this rock that are not Terrestrial, and it can be easily demonstrated.

[1Worldwatcher]

Pie, 1WW;

So, either you didn't like the comments I have made, or , you just have a large stick shoved up your none sunshine state!!

I feel that I should disagree vehemently with you on the  "desire"/'willingness" of Terrestrial science to discover anything at all about ET. Hell, it seems that your entire species doesn't really want to know. All you ever do is talk, your scientists, and hoaxers alike don't see to ever get past the first "notion" connected with the process.

Go a head, I don't care, free world as far as opinion's, scientists and hoaxer are their own little click, I would just like to get the truth, instead of listening to someone give (Once again) their opinion based on their Opinion for the opinion's of others Opinion's, Yaddah yaddah yaddah.

I've looked at the data available, such as it is. As a "Data scientist" I feel like I should shout out that all the evidence, data, "proof" if you will, is available and wholly unorganized! If the sum of UFO and ET data (just the recorded data) were to be organized into a "real" database, a simple mining process would likely result in all the "proof" you need, as well as a large amount of species specific data for several different ET species.

I have no doubt about the evidence being readily available, I don't need this evidence personally though. Get people like money sucking Greeer and his consort's involved, you have a mainstream media event that will only cost $5.00 USD to get in and have a listen to the most important news release for humanity the world has ever seen!! Sounds awfully close to what Barnum and Bailey had planned.

Science isn't interested in the real answers yet. If they were they would have already produced a mountain of additional data and evidence to augment some 60+ years of Ufology. But, alas, they sit on their collective asses and judge UFO's and ET just like "BillyBob" and all the other rednecks. This is not a case where a "redneck knee jerk reaction" will work, in fact, it will not only fail to produce what you need, but will likely result in your species being held back another 1000 years. You have reached a point in your history where someone truly NEEDS to venture off the reservation and ... oh hell, take the big risk and do nearly anything.

You know, it is so difficult to get full intentional meanings via a web post, but, for some reason I am taking this "BillyBob" accusation personal, if I am wrong, correct me please. But you have some really bad timing with your "Irrefutable" evidences or, you are a Greer supporter and can't handle the fact he is a milker of dry cows.

I am a "BillyBob" talking on the back porch/Front porch, get off your high horse and take a leak like a man or a squatter like a Gal, who care's, you are just as much a blow hard as Greer is. As I had said, I am in agreement with some others here about the whole shebang of the Greer money making implemented, premeditated crap he pulled, call it what you want, it was a "Fleecing" of the masses, as usual. Don't have too tell me nothing I already knew Anthra......

Hell, let me just say; there are people on this rock that are not Terrestrial, and it can be easily demonstrated.

And this right here is the beginning's of the dog and Pony show of this thread, "Prove it Anthra!!!" or back off, Idle threats yield nothing, especially when trying to give logical explanation with nothing but rhetorical rebuttal due to insignificance of argument.

Call me or judge me as you will, but as far as I am concerned, the water has always ran deep and muddy!!!

And only slightly better here within your contentedness of the scientific or Data available. move on and remember, you are the one with all the answer's "Right?" 

1WW

[zorgon]

In a nut shell...

Well, much to the dismay of everyone who bought tickets to stream the film, the flick ended up being more about how 'brilliant' ufologist and "new energy" proponent Steven Greer was, and less about any shocking new revelations involving aliens. The interviews were simply rehashes of already available information, footage of widely proven UFO hoaxes was used, and after over an hour of teasing.. the little body of "Ata" was shown to be 91% human. But of course, Greer remained adamant that "questions still remain".

Now that we know, definitively, that Sirius' tiny "alien" is really just a human, be it a shrunken, deformed, or aborted one, ufologists and believers ought to be mighty pissed at Steven Greer for taking advantage of them. Sure, what he found in the desert might have been weird, but Robert Ripley found something strange just the same, and unlike Greer, didn't need to dress his oddities up in stories of aliens and free energy, knowing that sometimes, weird for weirdness sake is all you need to sell tickets.

http://whofortedblog.com/2013/05/11/not-atacama-humanoid-human-ripley-knew/

Thanks Karl

[robomont]

my isnt this a heated debate.im lovin it.keep it up guys and maybe an answer will be found.personally i lean towards shrunken body but ive not reviewed all the evidence.what i do find interesting is the witness testimony of roswell.at my age its kinda easy to tell when someones lying and those folks dont look like they are lying.so i believe there are species that are alien to us humanoids but i think they live in the sea.and in space.in the bible it said gods throne was in the abyss and in heaven.so maybe thats where they hide.if i were an alien i would make me a pure water/ice pyramid and sink it to the bottom of the ocean.

[zorgon]

I would just like to get the truth, instead of listening to someone give (Once again) their opinion based on their Opinion for the opinion's of others Opinion's, Yaddah yaddah yaddah.

This is the problem...  and the reason why the government doesn't need expensive disinfo agents.  There is a host of these Greer types out there doing the disinfo and getting rich in the process...  Nassim Haramien, Klaus Dona, Jaimie Maussen, etc etc ....  and even the good 'whistle blowers' are forced to pick up the garbage and run with it or risk loosing their own audience.

These smooth talking snake oil used car salesmen schmary smiling hucksters have the believers wrapped around their fingers. It has gotten so bad that there is no point trying to show any truth because if you dare point out that those 'Mayan stones that show aliens' that klaus and Nassim are selling have NO SOURCE OF ORIGIN, do not look remotely Mayan and just appeared from nowhere (and are for sale at Klaus'd website for $70,000.00 ish) then YOU are pounced on for being that disinfo agent.

People like Nassim have that charisma that make all the ladies swoon   You can hear it in the audience of his videos. That is enough to get him on Natrional Geographic.  I used to respect that publication becaues they ALWAYS checked their stories... but now they too have gone the way of History Channel and Discovery and just care about the latest popular CRAP story to sell tickets.

Greer will get you to pay to sit on a chait in an empty filed and tell you you are in an invisible ethereal spacecraft

Jamie Maussan hoaxes aliens corpses and still people watch his popular TV show and he gets rich. I think he even believes most of his stuff.

At this rate, unless there is a full fledged alien invasion that takes over the USA, we will never get the truth... and even THAT will likely be called a false flag invasion that both Hollywood (and TV) and the CT websites have been prepping us for all these years...