UFO Fleet 2013 Starting From Alien Moon Base ?

[Pimander]

Sure there is a force that could create a body as large as the moon that is hollow.  It's called Consciousness.  There is just as much evidence that the moon was constructed by Consciousness as there is that it was constructed by random matter agglomeration.

Well no there isn't, there is no evidence whatsoever that it was constructed by "consciousness" so there can't be more evidence for that theory than any other.  I could say it was put there by goblins to make us have this conversation and there is just as much evidence I am correct (i.e. none at all). 

I'm not saying I know how it came to be there, I am saying that there is no evidence it was towed there by aliens and no evidence that it is hollow.

You keep trying to ask me to prove a theory I have not proposed.  I am simply saying you have no tangible evidence for the "theory" that Luna was towed into place by aliens/consciousness and you also have none that it is hollow.

Actually...  Via historical records, there is more evidence that it is a construct of Consciousness than there is that it was a "natural" formation. 

Just sayin'.

A story/myth saying something is created by consciousness is no different that me saying Goblins did it.  It is a tale. Yes legends/myths can be based on fact, but are often symbolic.  If there was any evidence at all that the myth were true (i.e. corroborating evidence) then we have something to work with.  In this case we have nothing.  No TANGIBLE VERIFIABLE FACTS WHATSOEVER.

Unless...  (Possible scenario) The mass of the moon was calculated based on the dynamics (in which case, the mass stated may be off by a wide margin if gravitational manipulation is involved), and because the mass number is an average, does NOT prove mass distribution within the body.

Like I said, a thick shell of lead coated with sand enclosing hollowness will have a similar mass as a solid body of sand.

Nice idea.  Do you have any evidence for it or is it speculation?  The answer is obvious.

I have more proof in the form of historic record than You have...  Just sayin'.

You don't have proof.  It is barely even evidence.

No, but neither is it proof it wasn't.

There is no proof it wasn't Goblins but that doesn't PROVE anything does it?

As there is no tangible evidence either way (but for historical record), I agree evidence would be handy - on either side of the question.

If there is no evidence, then we look for evidence.  We don't just say, "Goblins towed it there", "aliens did it" or, "consciousness made it hollow".  A credible theory needs something checkable/verifiable to back it up.  Otherwise it is an interesting tale and nothing more.

I find it hard to believe how you can't see my point.  You are an intelligent woman.  Why do you think the alternative scene is such easy pickings for snake oil salesmen?

It's high time all of us started saying "PROVE IT". No matter who tells you something.  If they can't then they are just stories.  Entertaining stories are still stories. If the stories are told to you by a space alien claiming to be from Venus, Billy Meier, Stephen Greer, Pimander, the writers of the Bible, John Lear or a being claiming to be God Himself.  Even Gods could tell tales.  SIMPLE AS THAT.  I want something tangible to work with.

Depends on who You ask.  If You ask Robert Morning Sky, the information was given to His grandfather by Bek'ti, an ET His grandfather rescued.  And to Him (and Others), it is evidence.  But to Those who doubt what Robert wrote, it is not.  [shrug]

It might be true.  If it is then there must be some corroborating evidence.  If not, then the alien may have made it up - we just don't know.  Is that such a ridiculous notion?

You might want to read them: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Terra_Papers.html

Also, I constructed a glossary:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1310.0

I'm familiar.  Let me know when we have corroborating evidence that is not just one more story that drives scientists and serious researchers to avoid UFOlogy like the plague.

We are not discussing comets; We are discussing the moon and its specific situation/origin.

I was pointing out that something can be a vehicle without being a space ship. in response to this comment.

I seem to recall coming across some Sumerian texts that also spoke of the moon as a vehicle - but don't hold Me to that.  It was a while ago and I could be misremembering.

The Earth is a vehicle in that we travel on it.  That does not make it a space ship.

These are AGGREGATE densities.  Like I said, ANY of those bodies could be constructed hollow with a very dense shell - or solid and constructed of lesser density materials, whether similar to an Earth substance or not.

Evidence that can be checked?  No? 

I have no opinion one way or another about the hollowness or solidity of other bodies, but have historical record and reports from Morning Sky to suggest the moon - and ONLY the moon - is a construct, a ship, a Consciousness creation.

Nice story.  Any evidence that can be checked would help make it something more.  Otherwise, do you have any snake oil I could buy?

Equally, there is no evidence that it ISN'T hollow.  That is why none of YOU can post any.  [shrug]

You want me to prove a negative now.

I haven't said a story about the Moon is true so don't have to prove anything.  I don't know what is inside the Moon, I just suspect the stories that the Moon is a hollow space ship towed there are no better than folk lore.  Might be true, most likely not.


Lets put it this way.  MY theory is that Goblins put the Moon there to get us to have this debate.  Post evidence it is not true please....  Can you prove a negative like you just asked me to?  Or is your argument nonsense?  100 GOLD TO THE FIRST CORRECT ANSWER! (and I'm completely serious)

[Pimander]

JD, the video you posted was created by Kev Connolly in 2008.  It is meant to be a black hole.  Here is his YouTube account. http://www.youtube.com/user/kevmc34

Here is the original with comments going back to 2008 - before the BS about it being a film of Earth.

[Amaterasu]

Well no there isn't, there is no evidence whatsoever that it was constructed by "consciousness" so there can't be more evidence for that theory than any other.  I could say it was put there by goblins to make us have this conversation and there is just as much evidence I am correct (i.e. none at all). 

http://www.disclose.tv/forum/hollow-moon-t8064.html

Compiled by Ronald Regehr

The moon is the Rosetta stone of the planets." —Robert Jastrow,
First Chairman, NASA Lunar Exploration Committee

After hundreds of years of detailed observation and study, our closest companion in the vast universe, Earth's moon, remains an enigma. Six moon landings and hundreds of experiments have resulted in more questions being asked than answered. Among them:
1. Moon's Age: The moon is far older than previously expected. Maybe even older than the Earth or the Sun. The oldest age for the Earth is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old; moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old, and the dust upon which they were resting was at least another billion years older.
2. Rock's Origin: The chemical composition of the dust upon which the rocks sat differed remarkably from the rocks themselves, contrary to accepted theories that the dust resulted from weathering and breakup of the rocks themselves. The rocks had to have come from somewhere else.
3. Heavier Elements on Surface: Normal planetary composition results in heavier elements in the core and lighter materials at the surface; not so with the moon. According to Wilson, "The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geologists proposed the refractory compounds were brought to the moon's surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don't know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned." (Emphasis added).
4. Water Vapor: On March 7, 1971, lunar instruments placed by the astronauts recorded a vapor cloud of water passing across the surface of the moon. The cloud lasted 14 hours and covered an area of about 100 square miles.
5. Magnetic Rocks: Moon rocks were magnetized. This is odd because there is no magnetic field on the moon itself. This could not have originated from a "close call" with Earth—such an encounter would have ripped the moon apart.

There's more at the link.  Some points stronger than others.

I'm not saying I know how it came to be there, I am saying that there is no evidence it was towed there by aliens and no evidence that it is hollow.

And again, there is as much evidence of one as of the other.  Why label one as true and the other false?  Why not assign probabilities?  Given that Sumerian tablets describe the genetic creation of Humans, I have to give a fair probability that there might have been Beings that had the wherewithal to create such an object.  This gives Me a good sway, along with reports of a time of no moon, towards a higher probability that the moon is a construct than that it is not.

You keep trying to ask me to prove a theory I have not proposed.  I am simply saying you have no tangible evidence for the "theory" that Luna was towed into place by aliens/consciousness and you also have none that it is hollow.

Um... And more than once I have said You're right.  And also pointed out that a counter position that it was a "naturally" formed body also had no proof.  What is Your purpose in bringing this up if You are not of the opinion that that the moon is a "natural" body?  Just to stir creppola?  [grin]

A story/myth saying something is created by consciousness is no different that me saying Goblins did it.  It is a tale. Yes legends/myths can be based on fact, but are often symbolic.  If there was any evidence at all that the myth were true (i.e. corroborating evidence) then we have something to work with.  In this case we have nothing.  No TANGIBLE VERIFIABLE FACTS WHATSOEVER.

Ok, ok.  Nor does the common supposition.  But We have peripheral data that point Us in directions of probability, and I say there's a high probability that the moon is a hollow, Consciousness creation.

Nice idea.  Do you have any evidence for it or is it speculation?  The answer is obvious.

Darlin', it's a possibility, as I clearly stated.  And one that does not take a HUGH leap.  Why are You attacking Me as if I was declaring it as truth?  Good grief, Charlie Brown.  It's not a matter of whether I have proof; it's a matter of its being a POSSIBILITY.  And possibilities in this universe are best considered when asking questions.  The more the possibility explains the evidence, the higher the probability of its being true, n'est pas?

You don't have proof.  It is barely even evidence.

Pim, enough with trying to cast aspersions on the possibility - with some fairly high probability - that Our moon is a construct by over and over bringing up the proof thing - yeah, You're right, but there is nothing to contradict it either.  Rather, show how it cannot be, or admit We all lack data.

There is no proof it wasn't Goblins but that doesn't PROVE anything does it?

You ARE getting rabid here, aren't Ye?

If there is no evidence, then we look for evidence.  We don't just say, "Goblins towed it there", "aliens did it" or, "consciousness made it hollow".  A credible theory needs something checkable/verifiable to back it up.  Otherwise it is an interesting tale and nothing more.

Yes.  Let's do it then.  Git 'er done!

I find it hard to believe how you can't see my point.  You are an intelligent woman.  Why do you think the alternative scene is such easy pickings for snake oil salesmen?

Huh?  Darlin', I have examined a LOT of evidence, adjusting and weighing based on My assessment of reliable sources, and the probability needle swung further towards the "construct" end and away from "natural."  Much further.  [shrug]  What has "snake oil salesmen" got to do with anything?  An emotional button for the passing reader?

It's high time all of us started saying "PROVE IT". No matter who tells you something.  If they can't then they are just stories.  Entertaining stories are still stories. If the stories are told to you by a space alien claiming to be from Venus, Billy Meier, Stephen Greer, Pimander, the writers of the Bible, John Lear or a being claiming to be God Himself.  Even Gods could tell tales.  SIMPLE AS THAT.  I want something tangible to work with.

What did I claim is true?  Why are You demanding proof from ME for?  I merely claim that I see enough evidence to suggest that the moon is a construct in higher probability than that it is not.  I have offered a fair amount, even in this thread, of what I am considering in assessing probabilities.

As for tangible?  I have some evidence to consider.  Have at it.  But tangible, not yet.  [smile]

I could go on, again and again saying I agree no One (We know) can prove either way at the moment with most of the rest of Your post...  But at this point I hope I have clarified where I am coming from and Your demand for "proof" - whatever THAT might entail - will cease, and We can move on here.

[1Worldwatcher]

Well, there is one thing for sure we can probably all agree on "There 'IS' something going on and possibly with in our Moons surface and sub surface terrains."

There is way too much evidence supporting this 'Conspiracy' of being more a fact. I have done some in-depth research in this area, and seeing videos and images supporting the 'Possibility' that someone has caught an apparent fleet of UFOs leaving from what looks to be a crater is just another point of discussion to further deduce that our closest natural satellite is in fact a 'Habitat' for either someone or something, this is very evident, both apparently now, and science astronomer's from earliest recorded history have seen thing's  that defy current accepted explanations. Good thread though, love discussing and learning of these Lunar anomalies and structures that lay with in such deductive reasoning and discusion.

1WW

[Anynonmouses]

Regarding UFOs and ETs...
This may be of interest...



Peace and Love,
JD

[deuem]

If there are really Aliens on the moon then I would imagine that the moon has Deep Under Ground Bases like we have on Earth. It might be honeycombed to death over countless years of living there.

Since I have never been there and anything I see  or read is second  or third party the only thing left is my gut decission.  I do not think it is hollow, like a basketball. I have a real hard time thinking it was manufactured as is. If there are Aliens on the moon or were on the Moon and they have all the special gagets we read about. Then towing the moon from one solar system to another should be easy for them. The resources needed to construct it from scatch would be a waste of time and money as I see it. Just grab a free floating moon somewhere and use it. Other planets have too many, they can spare one. Unless I go there with pim and drill a hole I will never know the truth.
deuem

[Amaterasu]

If there are really Aliens on the moon then I would imagine that the moon has Deep Under Ground Bases like we have on Earth. It might be honeycombed to death over countless years of living there.

Since I have never been there and anything I see  or read is second  or third party the only thing left is my gut decission.  I do not think it is hollow, like a basketball. I have a real hard time thinking it was manufactured as is. If there are Aliens on the moon or were on the Moon and they have all the special gagets we read about. Then towing the moon from one solar system to another should be easy for them. The resources needed to construct it from scatch would be a waste of time and money as I see it. Just grab a free floating moon somewhere and use it. Other planets have too many, they can spare one. Unless I go there with pim and drill a hole I will never know the truth.
deuem

What if You wanted to build a fortress You could hide as a moon...?  Just saying that the ease of grabbing a nearby rock is less likely to suit Your needs than the building and camouflaging of a moon-sized fortress...

Just pointing out that the reasons WHY it was built would be a determining factor in the end methods.

[Anynonmouses]

If there are really Aliens on the moon then I would imagine that the moon has Deep Under Ground Bases like we have on Earth. It might be honeycombed to death over countless years of living there.

Since I have never been there and anything I see  or read is second  or third party the only thing left is my gut decission.  I do not think it is hollow, like a basketball. I have a real hard time thinking it was manufactured as is. If there are Aliens on the moon or were on the Moon and they have all the special gagets we read about. Then towing the moon from one solar system to another should be easy for them. The resources needed to construct it from scatch would be a waste of time and money as I see it. Just grab a free floating moon somewhere and use it. Other planets have too many, they can spare one. Unless I go there with pim and drill a hole I will never know the truth.
deuem

The moon was harvested, not built, then fitted with bases and gedgetry which keeps us within optimal propinquity.

Peace and Love,
JD

[Anynonmouses]

Science...

Pim wants proof. Pim seeks proof. Pim has no proof and can prove it. Pim Pim Pim. Where's your proof? Moon...Beautiful moon. Beautiful ginormous loverpizza moon (no proof of that). Poor Pim. No pizzamonkeyfishfried proof the moon even exists except whatever the powers that be conspire to project and perpetuate holographically--but PIM! NO PROOF.

You see, I'm not out trying to perpetuate the spoon-fed paradigm, only spooks do that whenever THEY can't prove their side. It is a tactic bereft of even the tiniest tinge of honor to suggest that BECAUSE no "tangible" proof exists for the hollow moon/earth theory it by default MAKES the opposing view correct. IT DOES NOT.

Your fence, my fence. We're DANCING ON THE FENCE POLE. I'll jump aside as soon as YOU provide ME tangible proof (not hearsay) that either the moon OR the earth are solid. Fair enough--that's NOT a question.

Peace and Love
JD

[deuem]

Fence pillows for sale, get your fence pillows...

It is interesting debating this for a lot of reasons, None of which we have 100% proof on. IMHO, Anyone who says they know how much the Earth weighs is just guessing. But I would think, that if I guessed it weighed 1 ton, then I could come real close on what the Moon should weigh. But that still would not determine if either or both were hollow. It would just confirm the ratio of masses.

Science is telling us that the moon is a billion years older that the Earth, This is what is starting the problem. Where did it come from. Seeing how our solar system is all about the same age, it makes sense it came from another or was formed long before we were. It could have just wandered in all on its own but that has problems also. Why is it so perfect and in just the right alignment. Also more problems. So we turn to Aliens did it..Deuem

[Edward]

Why is it so perfect and in just the right alignment. Also more problems. So we turn to Aliens did it..Deuem

Yeah but there are more people stay similar stuff than just the crowd of "of oh it must be aliens".  What would be considered "fringe" or out right fantasy  and even some "myths" stories.  There are accounts that say, This moon we have is indeed alien and was brought here.   

There are also further myths and stories of legend about the earth having two  moons at one time.   


So there is more to the "possible" orgins  of the moon  then those who just merely claim, oh it must be aliens.   

for what its worth is all Im saying.....

Edward

[Pimander]

So you typed all that just to say, "I don't have any evidence, you're right Pimander" in an attempt not to look wrong or bury my posts?

Expert at masking the fact that what I said was completely true.  I'm almost embarrassed for you.

[zorgon]

You see, I'm not out trying to perpetuate the spoon-fed paradigm,

Really? You support Greeer  nough said

[LSWONE]

You decide. It looks good.  I pasted the youtube information below on it and what was used.

Edward



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Published on Sep 15, 2012

What the hell is going on up there?
Watch in full hd fullscreen 1080p.
Must read description as well:

While filming the moon on september the 15th 2012 with my telescope and Canon EOS 600D i spotted 13 orbs probably starting from a secret alien moonbase.
I edited the raw footage and used dirrentent color to get a better look of these objects.
The original raw footage you can see here:

If you think it's fake just search on YouTube for "UFO starting from moon" or "UFO landing on moon".
There are a lot of more proof videos similar to this one. UFO Fleet 2013
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Great Vid!!!
Please share any other footage you get.

Thanks,

ELESW1NE

[Somamech]

Great Vid!!!
Please share any other footage you get.

Thanks,

ELESW1NE

Yeah thats kinda interesting

I'm subbed to a guy in Melb's YT channel and he post's some really odd stuuf, and for an AM he try's hard to explain what he is doing.. good skywatcher