Extraterrestrials: What Are They Waiting For?

[Eighthman]

If these thoughts have been posted elsewhere specifically, I did do a search to try to find an answer here and came up empty handed.  OTOH, perhaps the above question needs to be addressed periodically.

Why hasn't full disclosure happened?  Why no 'The Day The Earth Stood Still'?  What prevents them from openly manifesting themselves?

Silly as it all may seem, I think the New Age Ascension types may have a point:  we're not ready and there are a number of obstacles.  If insiders/Dr. Greer are to be believed,  ET's are explicit about it - Get your planet in better shape and stop warring, monkey-boys  (OK, that last bit was from Buckaroo Bonzai).

If war and division are the obstacles, then what are the minimum requirements for Disclosure and Glorious Unification With All Those Nice Galactics?  How about.....

Settle North Korea permanently.  Labor camps, starvation, horror, death and ceaseless threats.  Pushing other nations towards nukes (which ETs don't like).   This bleeding sore has got to go - and it will require huge resources to repair it after the Kim dynasty falls.

Transform Israel away from Zionist threats - you can't have endless calls for wars with Iran - that would go global very quickly.  They need one man, one vote unity that treats Palestinians as full citizens.

Disempower the Neo-Con, Military-Industrial Complex - that needs new enemies to justify its existence.  Perhaps full exposure of 9/11 would be enough to END their misrule.  As it is, the world is losing faith in the 9/11 narrative, almost daily.

There are other obstacles (Evil Banks) but they can be deal with after Full Disclosure, in its wake.  Once the opposition above is removed,  the threat of triggered 'false flag' rebellion stops ( as with Cabal types screaming "Aliens! War Of The Worlds! INVASION!!!!!!).

That's pretty much what I speculate....... as always, your mileage may vary.

[Amaterasu]

I think what disturbs Me most is that, even in the controlled state most are in, Humans on the whole want to get along - and it is because of war profiteering by the few that propaganda and lies are promulgated to ensure war.  Corporate profit motive ensures that the cheapest and not the cleanest approach to manufacturing is the path taken.  Waste is rampant as "planned obsolescence" abounds in the products produced, again driven by profit.

So...  In order to "[g]et [Our] planet in better shape and stop warring (, monkey-boys)," We Humans must eliminate corporate profit motive.  This will end war profiteering, dirty production, and products made to fail.  And, as most here know, I have shown that free energy is the key to removing all said problems.

Point is, MOST Humans are (or could be, with such motive removed and therefore such lies and propaganda) willing to get along and simple avoid Those They do not like.  Without profit motive, wars would dwindle to nothing.

[VillageIdiot]

They're here. We are the microbe on the slide.

[Eighthman]

Having observed Civil Service (the CSEA), I must insist that the profit motive is a critical discipline. 

However, there is the question of scale.  I think Germany does quite well with corporations that are in the middle as to size.  They also pay executives much less, perhaps as a result. The Too Big To Fail Banks in the US are inherently evil.

Buddha had it right: the Middle path.

But you bring up a related question: why haven't they given us free energy?  I can only suppose that we're not ready for that, either.  Perhaps it would cause chaos.

[zorgon]

If these thoughts have been posted elsewhere specifically, I did do a search to try to find an answer here and came up empty handed.  OTOH, perhaps the above question needs to be addressed periodically.

Why humons are not ready I have posted many times  in fact just a few minutes ago here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4123.msg54831#msg54831

With the whole 2012 issue that went nuts on the web then was a no show... the new agers taking credit for stopping it... well it just shows how hu-mons truly are still in kindergarten... they will jump on ANYTHING and make up any 'fact' to back their claim

Why is there no disclosure? Why are the ET not helping us?

Well what if there are no ET around here right now (not counting the plasma critters that live here )

[zorgon]

Buddha had it right: the Middle path.

AH now we are on the same page 

[zorgon]

Why hasn't full disclosure happened?  Why no 'The Day The Earth Stood Still'?  What prevents them from openly manifesting themselves?

It HAS happened. "The Day the Earth Stood Still" 1951 version was a real story. Look in our UFO section I have already posted all those visits in the 50's from "Venusians" who looked like us. That was the time Eisenhower signed the agreement, that was the time the SERPO story is based on, That was the time of the signing of the Greada Treaty

You people all want disclosure but you listen to the likes of Greer and ignore the real facts that have been on file for decades

Silly as it all may seem, I think the New Age Ascension types may have a point:  we're not ready and there are a number of obstacles.  If insiders/Dr. Greer are to be believed,  ET's are explicit about it - Get your planet in better shape and stop warring, monkey-boys  (OK, that last bit was from Buckaroo Bonzai).

Those that say the human race is not ready for ascension are correct, but before 2012 many new agers were promising that mass ascension would happen on Dec 21...  These people are just as deluded as the doomsday crowd....  There IS NO FREE RIDE... we have many lifetimes to go before we are even close to ascension. Even the Dalia Lama is still here on Earth teaching

Those people that see ET in EVERYTHING are just as delusional. yes there are ET  yes some have visited...

But what 90% of people think are ET are really plasma critters. black ops ships, and products of the mind likely triggered by the imps that live between worlds that Tuesday Lobsang Rampa warned us about

[zorgon]

But you bring up a related question: why haven't they given us free energy?  I can only suppose that we're not ready for that, either.  Perhaps it would cause chaos.

What is 'free energy'?

Solar power is free energy... for a few thousand buck (at commercial rates  -- a few hundred do it your self) you can get off the grid and have all the electricity you can use. You can use that electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, something they taught in high school basic science in my day and for a few hundred buck convert your car to run on water

But people are LAZY  They want someone else to do the work so they can get it free. Some people here want robots to do everything. Others are sitting on their fat ass waiting for ET to swoop down and do everything for us.

Why should they? What have hu-mons done to deserve a free ride?

The religions heave one saying that I like  "God helps those that help themselves"

Get over it no ET worth his salt is going to do it for you... WHY should they? What will you learn if you just get everything handed to you on a silver platter? Isn't that what everyone bitches about with the ELITE having been fed with a silver spoon?

The Universe is full of free energy, just need to COLLECT it  You don't need some weird woo woo overunity device, 99% of which are crackpot designs that will never work and just look to suck in money.

Put solar panels on the roof, a wind turbine in the yard and use water in the gas tank   Farmers on the Praries used wind power to pump water out of the ground... Medieval grain mills used a water wheel to grind grain  All free energy...

Today we use that same water wheel in a dam to turn a bunch of copper wires in a magnetic field... to make electricity

Today we use nuclear energy to BOIL WATER to make steam to turn a wheel to  to turn a bunch of copper wires in a magnetic field... to make electricity

Our ancestors had a steam engine... they used wood to boil the water. They even had a car that was a steam engine

A nuke plant is just a very messy steam engine

Put a scrubber on a chimney and use coal, or wood, or even TRASH to boil water  same thing and you solve the trash problem


Don't look to ET for free handouts...  If they really wanted to do that they would have. But after we shot them down at Roswell, WHY would they

[zorgon]

Having observed Civil Service (the CSEA), I must insist that the profit motive is a critical discipline. 

"Profit" is a relative term...

Physical trainers use the term "No Pain... No Gain"  The message being that if you don't work hard to excel at building your body, you won't be getting that gold medal

Hu-mons are wired to seek profit or gain as a motivational force to better ourselves. Its not only in money, its in the need to excel in sports, arts, science, whatever.

If you take away our drive or need to gain 'profit' you will stagnate the race as a whole. A child mastering a new skill will do better if they get positive rewards... but if you tell that same child his/her efforts were not good enough, that child will be destroyed

Maybe what the world needs is less useless eaters that are sitting on their ass waiting for free handouts from ET

[Anynonmouses]

We're past the question of "Do ETs exist," and I can tell you why they haven't landed yet en mass...

First off, there are so many different kinds of ETs out there and even among us that you might genuinely freak out to meet them. Some are insect-looking, some reptilian, some have cat-like features and some are eerily similar to ourselves.

The fact is that our own DNA is a composite of several types of alien DNA amalgamated to put us into the basic form we experience today. The wrinkly skin is a combination of reptilian and primate, the musculature and ligaments are a combination of insect and cetacious...we're a junk drawer put-together adapted for this particular environment.

WHY HAVEN'T THEY LANDED YET?

The policy of the Galactic Federation of Light (a like-minded association of many kinds of alien beings, most of which we derive our genetics from) presently monitoring and guarding our solar system and planet, is that intervention is only allowed once we have matured enough as a species. Before full contact will be made with us we must evolve to a point where we can differ in philosophy without killing one another for our beliefs. We are nearly there, in the bigger scheme of things, but not there yet.

GFL representatives have been interacting with our leaders since mankind was injected into this planet. These leaders have thus enjoyed semi-godlike status in the past, but now that our understanding has matured a bit we see that technology is NOT magic, and our leaders are certainly not gods. In fact, aliens are imperfect as well--a tough concept for most to appreciate fully.

Aside from the recovery of crashed intergalactic personal craft by governments around the globe, ETs have given our leaders examples of their craft to replicate, and they have tried to teach us how to create vessels symbiotic to ourselves. We are frequency-based beings, and their craft appear more like living entities than vehicles we're accustomed to because these craft can interact with us via our unique frequency spectrum which some call an aura, our chakras. Once aboard you will notice aches and pains or other discomforts fading away. The ship itself knows how you need to be "tuned" in order for you to be comfortable. Our leaders still can't replicate this in our back-engineering of their craft--yet.

Intrinsic in every craft is a sort of liquid memory film applied to and within everything in the craft. To the eye it seems like the colorful sheen of oil on water being illuminated by sunlight. The metals and metal-like fabrics of these ships contains actual micro processing capability interfaced with this liquid memory substance applied in a process similar to what you see happening via the Hutchison Effect, only different. Metallurgy will undergo a quantum evolution once we learn to infuse various kinds of non-metallic substances right into the metals without using heat. Our so-called leaders may already have a clue; ETs are imparting info to them all the time.

BACK TO WHY THEY HAVEN'T LANDED YET--

Once we learn to accept others who don't look or think the way we do in sufficient proportion, they will land. We are going to see a steady increase of their craft in our skies until no one can deny that they are here. The next step is to discuss openly the FACT that they're here in a way that doesn't cause panic, doesn't create hostility and is scientifically neutral. Baby steps are happening now, and many of us (myself included) have been approached by ETs.

I have met a very tall (7 foot) reptilian who was utterly indifferent to my presence, two short (3 1/2 foot) grays, a Sirian (who looks like a normal human from earth) and an ancient female who looked human with long, silvery hair and features reminiscent of a skeleton with very little muscle and skin tightly stretched over the bone. She took my wife and me off-planet for a "purification" ceremony involving a strange blue liquid infusion of some sort on a planet I was told was similar to (mine) but with two moons and crystalline structures. Very cool place! Very spartan decor...almost none. The furniture was similar to our own, but not glued, bolted, stapled or anything...just smooth and soft. The different materials were blended seamlessly.

Yetis are highly-evolved trans-dimensional light beings who come and go into and out of our 3-D reality at will. If you ever see a yeti it is for one of two reasons...either you are prepared sufficiently in your evolution to interact with them or the yetti is trying to offer a clue as to the fact that they exist. They are the beings who mother Earth herself has formed;  true natives of this planet completely in tune with her.

Whenever possible without drawing unwanted attention ETs can and do mitigate harmful radiation, can repair and do repair our ozone and ionosphere, and they can energize certain crystalline energy fields within and around our planet to mitigate earthquakes and other magnetic anomalies from destroying mankind as mankind threatens the planet with explosions, war and toxins. They are always behind the scenes cleaning up after stupid humans on behalf of our planet, as well as us.

Again, the more we learn to respect one another, clean up after ourselves and reach out to the cosmos the more likely we'll be to have our grand interaction en mass. Each of us can help move this process along. I'm doing my part...are you?

Peace and Love,
JD

[zorgon]

First off, there are so many different kinds of ETs out there and even among us that you might genuinely freak out to meet them. Some are insect-looking, some reptilian, some have cat-like features and some are eerily similar to ourselves.

The praying mantis type where covered extensively in the Gor novels, the ones that look like us visited us and interacted with the US government and the press in the 50's

The list you have has been around the net for many years. Clifford Stone gave us a list of 57 species... in fact all the various gods people worship would class as true ET's...

..but for you to say "We're past the question of "Do ETs exist," is silly because to date NO ONE has yet shown a real ET to exist. All we have since Roswell is the BELIEF that there are ET's... not one photo, not one corpse  NADA that can prove they are here

Until we have that, the question will continue to be bandied about.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Perhaps we are expected to do things for ourselves, instead of expecting others to do it for us ?

So we have been left to do whatever ?   

One thing for sure, it appears we (All) still haven't learnt YET !   

[Anynonmouses]

Proof...physical objects, video, photos, eyewitness accounts...all exist, mostly in the secured vaults of our military bases we can't access without cosmic clearance.

The web is full of leaked "proof" that is immediately debunked in effect by dissemblers who have an agenda to perpetuate the status quo. You should know this, Z. So what is proof beyond that? Skeptics don't go for rides on spaceships unless their DNA, semen or the like is being extracted by the biocomputers we call the grays, who work for the reptilians.

Billy Meyer is another contactee who provided proof, but his proof was both stolen by authorities and debunked by the ubiquitous dissemblers. Photographs, 8mm film--none of it constitutes proof if you yourself aren't the first-person reporter, so...there it is.

Peace and Love,
JD

[zorgon]

Proof...physical objects, video, photos, eyewitness accounts...all exist, mostly in the secured vaults of our military bases we can't access without cosmic clearance.

So it is assumed  yes...

The web is full of leaked "proof" that is immediately debunked in effect by dissemblers who have an agenda to perpetuate the status quo. You should know this, Z. So what is proof beyond that?

Screw the web, screw the government vaults.  How about THIS instead...

Just ONE PERSON that claims to have met so many alien species, just pluck ONE hair sample or catch them spitting or taking a dump and collect a tiny sample for analysis.

Anyone can say I have met aliens, anyone these days can fake a photo or video, even the little 10 year old pimple faced punk next door... but DNA doesn't lie.

If all these aliens people have claimed are running all over this planet, in secret meetings with governments, abducting people for experiments and just appearing to enlightened chosen ones are real, then getting ONE MEASLY sample of alien DNA should be a piece of cake...


There are THOUSANDS of UFO "investigators" out there. Entire teams of UFO crash recovery teams that have symposiums.  Yet NOT ONE of these hunters have been able to show us a scrap of alien metal or a trace of alien DNA not even a shed skin cell.

Forensics have come a long way these days. We have scientists pulling DNA out of extinct animal fossils in the process of doing a real Jurassic Park scenario

In all these years since Roswell not one tiny fragment of supposedly over a hundred saucer crashes has yielded one tiny scrap.

Sorry... the government keeps secrets to be sure, but they are just NOT that efficient and yet at the same time letting 'leaks' of 50 plus species get out

Dr Lier supposedly has a piece of Roswell metal and he supposedly has removed alien implants... yet he will not let any independent lab analyze them... I wonder why

Skeptics don't go for rides on spaceships unless their DNA, semen or the like is being extracted by the biocomputers we call the grays, who work for the reptilians.

Not according to John Lear

Billy Meyer is another contactee who provided proof, but his proof was both stolen by authorities and debunked by the ubiquitous dissemblers. Photographs, 8mm film--none of it constitutes proof if you yourself aren't the first-person reporter, so...there it is.

Billy Meier lost all credibility with the Dinosaur picture out of the book that he claimed was a real photo he took; the Dean Martin girls that he claimed was aliens; the saucer models in his garage... and the silly ray gun



Here is one John made

[Eighthman]

OK, my responsa in no particular order:

First, our present 'free energy' sucks a$$.  Yes, I have solar panels outside my house and they DO LITTLE.

We have made almost NO progress in practical energy storage for the past century.  The situation is so appalling that folks are still laying down big $ for low energy density Ni-Fe batteries made in China. This is why we are still dependent on fossil fuels. Arrggh!  I use a deep cycle lead acid battery.

Yeah, I can see the xenophobia issue.  How can we accept freaky aliens when we're still working on skin color or gay marriage? Maybe that's changed.

Bringing up the Grenada/Eisenhower Treaty makes the whole Disclosure thing all the more paradoxical.  A bunch of 'Nordics' drop by and offer a deal in exchange for technology.  Ike sez no can do. And here we are 60 years later with no Disclosure.  WTF !!

And lastly, we have the issue of Collective Obedience by ET's.  Lemme explain:  we are saying that there is no Creator/God enforcing the Prime Directive in regard to earth?  Yet,  NO ONE ever observes a flying saucer land in any major city offering their presence openly !  There is NEVER any rogue ET that lands during the Olympics or Superbowl ( and proclaims "Disclosure be Happenin' TODAY, Bitches!").

So, there is some order or collective understanding or CONTROL undiscerned at work here, folks. Can't be otherwise.

Some explanation is also due with regard to the 'Prime Directive' in regard to fairly obvious efforts in past civilizations relative to the present.  So, "angels" (Book of Enoch) gave us music, metal working, and astronomy?  Quetzalcoatl helped out in Central America?  Annunaki maybe? 

Space Brothers (and Sisters, esp. that hottie Semjase) What's the deal?  Gimme a circuit drawing for free electricity and I'll publish it for everybody on the web! Greer sez I can call you guys so what the heck?