Farside buildings

[johnlear]

Hi John! I assume you are talking about at the least eleven multiple ground installations/structures shown in this pic?? I have no way of knowing yet, if you are seeing what I am seeing. Are you seeing the identical separate sections, that go from large to small, over that approximately 30 miles distance? Each individual section also has a very bright piece, and all of these bright pieces are pointing in the same direction, for whatever reason. Do you see these?

In my view, this seems to be definitely a huge ground installation..

Now John, if you have seen multiples of these, just like or similar, is there any way to point me to a photo where you have seen another one?? i would really be interested in seeing another one of these, on the Moon.

Thanks!!

All of these photos are of an antenna pointing down from the spacecraft. For the ones that do not come up, they have been airbrushed to make it appear they are ground objects.

[rdunk]

Here are a few others I have collected.


By johnlear at 2012-03-06


By johnlear at 2012-03-06


By johnlear at 2012-03-06

John, thanks for the additional examples of somewhat similar anomalous features, to the anomaly we have been discussing from your earlier pic. A couple of points on these photos, that you are probable aware of - the first pic, and the lower right pic are the same feature, and the second pic, and the lower left feature are the same, except the lower left pic must be reversed.

I still don't see this objects as a part of the spacecraft comm. system, as they do seem to be on the surface. However, after more looking at all of these, there is another possibility, howbeit optically illusional.

In one way at looking at all of these, they can be seen as "standing vertically", from the surface. That is a more obvious possibility in the anomaly, that I have described, as stretching across the surface for 30 miles.   
What really makes this a possibility, is, that the anomaly features go from large at one end to small at the other. Now, are the sections manufactured that way? Or, are the larger-looking sections much closer to the camera, and the sections just begin to look smaller as they get farther down and away from the camera, as would be the case if it were a vertical installation??

It really is hard to tell which is right - just depends upon how it is visualized.

When he is able, maybe Sgt.Rocknroll can enlighten us a little on this.For simplicity, I am posting my screenshot of the anomaly again here, to help us with our review, along with John's other pic features.

[rdunk]

All of these photos are of an antenna pointing down from the spacecraft. For the ones that do not come up, they have been airbrushed to make it appear they are ground objects.

John, I think you posted your reply while I was working on my last post on this subject. I am sure you have better "moon eyes" than I, but, this anomaly in your pic that we have been discussing certainly looks awfully long, bulky, and complicated to be dragged around with an orbiting spacecraft, especially if it were going to be in full time/part time interference with the camera's view.

As I said, maybe Sgt.Rocknroll can help us a little with this, if he is well!

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

yeah you right John. In my attempt at finding a decent '72-h-1387' photo (which I haven't been able to), I found numerous photos with the antennae and I was going to post that as part of my 'look' at the photo. It's not a ground station or a crawler or a mining machine, It's an antennae with a cable wrapped around it down to the pod on the end.....BTW if you know where I can download a decent resolution 72-h-1387 without  someone's marks on it, I'd appreciate it.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

It's an antenna alright.
Somewhere there's a photo where it fell off the (russian?) probe, which instigated loads of ATS threads........

[rdunk]

yeah you right John. In my attempt at finding a decent '72-h-1387' photo (which I haven't been able to), I found numerous photos with the antennae and I was going to post that as part of my 'look' at the photo. It's not a ground station or a crawler or a mining machine, It's an antennae with a cable wrapped around it down to the pod on the end.....BTW if you know where I can download a decent resolution 72-h-1387 without  someone's marks on it, I'd appreciate it.

I wonder if we know what "orbiter"took the pic I have been discussing. I have looked at the basic Lunar Orbiter, and it has no exterior antenna like this that I can see, if we know what took the pic, we can probably find out pretty easy if it is a craft antenna or not.

A Lunar Orbiter pic FYI.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

I'm assuming it was a 'drop down' antenna, that was deployed when they got there (it needs gravity to work) Hence the coiled wire...hence, you won't see it in this pic.
Just a guess, tho...

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

When i get back from the hospital, i'll post what pics i have of the antennae. Some will have two of them on the same photo but if you look closely you'll see it's two photos cropped together and you can see where the antennae is cropped also so that it looks like one of them is in the middle of one photo. I'll even model it for you so that you'll see its an antennae!

[rdunk]

I'm assuming it was a 'drop down' antenna, that was deployed when they got there (it needs gravity to work) Hence the coiled wire...hence, you won't see it in this pic.
Just a guess, tho...

Well, the experts on the Lunar Orbiter - Wiki -  - only mentions two antennas, a high gain boom, and a low gain boom, with both of these being shown in the pic as sticking straight out horizontally.

Don't know it it was a different orbiter taking the pic that John posted?

[rdunk]

When i get back from the hospital, i'll post what pics i have of the antennae. Some will have two of them on the same photo but if you look closely you'll see it's two photos cropped together and you can see where the antennae is cropped also so that it looks like one of them is in the middle of one photo. I'll even model it for you so that you'll see its an antennae!

Sgt.Rocknroll, we all wish you the very best, as you go through the tests, and will look forward to seeing you back soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[johnlear]

I wonder if we know what "orbiter"took the pic I have been discussing. I have looked at the basic Lunar Orbiter, and it has no exterior antenna like this that I can see, if we know what took the pic, we can probably find out pretty easy if it is a craft antenna or not.

A Lunar Orbiter pic FYI.

These are all Apollo photos. Lunar Orbiter photos have lines in them where the strips are put together.

[rdunk]

These are all Apollo photos. Lunar Orbiter photos have lines in them where the strips are put together.

Thanks John, that is good info for neophytes like me - lines vs no lines - that's good! Next, we just need to get some engineering/systems info on the Apollo orbiter spacecraft, to find out about their comm antennas. If/when I find such info, I will post it here. 

[johnlear]

This is what I  have found so far on the Apollo antenna which we see in several photos of the lunar surface. As yet I have not found a good photo or drawing of the S-band antenna which is the one we are looking for.


By johnlear at 2012-03-10


By johnlear at 2012-03-11

This is a possible drawing of the antenna (blue rectangle).


By johnlear at 2012-03-11

This is possibly the antenna (yellow circle) which, when taking photos would be visible from the window (blue circle). Apollo 15.


By johnlear at 2012-03-10

This in an enlargement of the antenna (yellow arrow) on the Apollo Spacecraft. A yellow arrow points to an anomalous white spot.


By johnlear at 2012-03-11

Going to look for a photo of the antenna and have already looked through 450 pages.



By johnlear at 2012-03-11


Fig. 4 - The high-gain S-band antenna array on the Apollo 15 service module. (NASA: AS15-88-11974)

Here is another photo of Apollo 15, apparently taken at the same time as the above photo but even allowing for a different sun angle seems to have a different paint scheme.


Below is another Apollo 15 photo, look at the bell housing coloring. I assume that where I put the yellow circle is the antenna.


By johnlear at 2012-03-11

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

A quickie on the antennae...

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

A quickie on the antennae...