Planet X, Gravity B, Orbital Mechanics and Ancient Floods

[A51Watcher]

Oh dear, it appears all our planets have large invisible skirts we don't wan't to be rubbing shoulders with on the others.



"Velikovsky invented a role for electromagnetic forces in counteracting gravity and orbital mechanics."

Oh, no foolin huh?  He would have enjoyed seeing this probe data then. 

[rdunk]

If the Earth is moving through space on our orbit at 5,000 mph, what speed do you think this object would be moving at while in the inner system.

I would think that even if it did pass a thousand times thru the inner solar system, what are the chances that we would be any where near it to change anything. A bullet missing a bullet has no time to react. This would need some time IMHO to do any real damage.

My reply to that statement is.............skeptical thought, or otherwise, has no-thing do with what "could be" absolute, if a Planet X exists. Anything happening is all about the circumstance of the physics, and the odds of occurrence.

It is not much different from what we know of other "real" potential disastrous happenings, except we don't really know whether Planet X actually exists. For instance, a MAXIMUM (whatever that might be) solar mass ejection is always a possibility, but, it could always be launched in any direction from the Sun, and away from Earth. However, in the physics of such occurrences, there are a few tiny degrees that at any given time, the Earth is looking directly down the Sun's mass ejection rifle barrel. If the Sun ever fires that MAXIMUM shot, while pointed directly at the Earth, then this Earth will likely be considerably deconstructed.

So, what are the odds on that maximum occurring such like??

And also for a major asteroid! For a major comet! And for all of the other spacial objects and spacial situations we know next to nothing about, in the big scheme of things. We are barely coming out of the "dark ages" in this respect, and in reality are but a tiny pimple upon a tiny spec of dust relative to the Cosmos.

IF......Planet X is out there, it may have a petraflop number of different scenarios of a relationship with Earth, but..............................................................................and then BANG!  Same for the Sun, and that will put the lights out baby! 

[A51Watcher]

If the Earth is moving through space on our orbit at 5,000 mph, what speed do you think this object would be moving at while in the inner system.

I would think that even if it did pass a thousand times thru the inner solar system, what are the chances that we would be any where near it to change anything. A bullet missing a bullet has no time to react. This would need some time IMHO to do any real damage.

If the Earth to the Moon was Gravity Radius 1 and X had a Grav Rad 5 If we were at 6 in distance what would happen. So I would think one must start around distance 6 or less to have real action. In space there is a lot of room. These numbers are insignificant. the odds of getting that close should be very rare. What do you think?

I think with moving objects speed is relative, depending on direction.

Ever pass someone so fast it looked like they were standing still?

Or pass someone doing 65 while you are doing 70?

Actual speeds were fast but relative speeds were slow.


I see 2 crossing points where if traveling in the same direction the relative speed would be slower in between these 2 points -





... and a minimum to medium effect encounter possible depending on actual positions during flyby.

[A51Watcher]

A51Watcher, I do like the volcano pics you posted, to add thought to this discussion. Wow! Your having been nearby when St. Helens erupted with a bang - must have really brought home to you how really puny the human race is, relative to the natural elements of this Earth.

You know, there are volcanos all over this Earth. I am no "volcanoist", but in thinking about your posting - - we really only have specific reference to a very small percentage of the possible volcanos that exist. And the reason for that being..............71% of the earth is covered by salt water. And, except for those which have managed to poke through the surface of the water over the ages, we likely don't know much about the others still deep under the surface of the water.

I do wonder if there is any possibility = when 2 sizable to large planetary bodies happen to come close (relative) together, is there any chance that internal pressures/temperatures of the masses could increase to the point of body- wide full volcanic type eruptions?? A volcano here, and a volcano there is not so good, but if all volcanic sources on the Earth literally erupted at near the same times - - that would present quit a difficult situation I would think!

To end my volcano bit, here is an interesting vidoe about how Hawaii was made - volcanos of course.


                                                 

Rdunk, I am reminded of when living in Hawaii of how important it is to have a radio when going surfing to be able to listen to the radio for weather conditions.

On days when they announce storm conditions at sea, that means much larger waves than normal are going to be had at all locations, and surfers head for the shores like crazy to catch a big one.

One day we went to the a location at the North Shore where waves were normally 12 to 18 feet and on this day they were 22-30 feet.

Funny how a relatively small change in atmospherics can result in a dam near doubling of the waves.

As Gigas alluded to, even small changes in our delicately balanced ecosphere can result in far reaching effects.   

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Funny how a relatively small change in atmospherics can result in a dam near doubling of the waves.

Exactly, that's why they were playing the HAARP last year & screwed up the weather

I thought we covered this about 2 years ago??
ATS anyone?

[1Worldwatcher]

THREAD BUMP!!

If anything at all, we can definitely say that there is more influencing Earth's orbit and its neighbor's on a constant basis of interaction creating cause and effect.

I have thought for some time now of how the real deal would go down if it were to go down, and the perception of such has not changed with in my thoughts. It is the stretching, altering, expanding and interacting of all these particular instances that will reveal never before for seen scenario's. It is 'Inevitable' with in vastness of lack of knowledge and Universal Properties both at work, and short time to understand.

For the most part, most would see what we discuss here as a form of Hogwash and dis-regard anything that would seem other worldly or improbable by an individuals interpretation of such a demise.

I have heard rumor's of the Planet X and it's possible impact on our Planet and our Solar system, we know things are out there that can bring great turmoil with  simple impact and can openly accept these scenario's or inevitably going to happen again, it is always going to be "A matter of Time."

I think that the things that are happening or have taken place with in our local Heliosphere and Magnetosphere is giving us the red flags, I personally feel the Earth is going through changes that are yet to be seen, but warranted if one is diligent to understand that things are not the same as they were in yester-year on our planet, everything is either expanding or contracting, tearing or admitting and there is really nothing we can do about it except be aware and vigilant in our watch.

Just as Matrix is experiencing "The Cosmic Shift" (As I like to call it) in his perception and apparently in many others here on our planet, there is always going to be the faint of heart to openly accept this being the fact of the matter.

1WW

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Interesting reading!

There's plenty of evidence that something big happens every 3600 years, only opinions are greatly divided as to the cause.

Also the exact date of the last 'shift' is a little vague, but it must be close to 3599 years 

Something to think about
Great work, peeps

[A51Watcher]

I find it interesting we can clearly see huge past imact craters galore on The Moon and on Mars, yet we see no such clear record of that on Earth.

Was the Earth somehow spared these same impacts?


No? I thought it was such a simple matter to see and know all past devastation that has been inflicted on Earth? 

[ArMaP]

Was the Earth somehow spared these same impacts?

The same, obviously not. 

And no, the Earth was not spared from impacts, but having most of its surface covered with water helps reducing the impact and hiding the results. Erosion did most of the rest.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

1WW;

It is the stretching, altering, expanding and interacting of all these particular instances that will reveal never before for seen scenario's. It is 'Inevitable' with in vastness of lack of knowledge and Universal Properties both at work, and short time to understand.

Yes, even the so-called 'universal constants' are seemingly not so.

Gravity is definitely one of the culprits here, as well as rotation or 'angular momentum' to be more precise.
These little understood phenomena are the very cornerstones of future research.
That, and time of course

I have been concentrating particularly on gravity these last few years, and some of the things i learned here at PRC has changed my outlook considerably.

If, for instance, a gravity wave is actually more of a shape-changing donut or smoke ring, it actually expands & contracts the spacetime (or as i call it, masstime) as it goes along.
There would appear also to be 2 forms of this wave referred to as 'A' and 'B' types.

Further down the rabbit hole we go...

If for instance, a particularly large grav-wave* were to pass through your house, the entire house would expand & then contract by a few nanometers.Not enough to actually observe, but in theory it happens.

But if you are sitting there with a silver rod of exactly 100mm and a very accurate digital caliper, you will still measure nothing, since the rod, caliper, you, the house, everything has expanded & contracted by the same amount, so your instruments will measure nothing & you yourself won't feel a thing.

But someone in your garden with a laser measuring device may well see the changes & accurately measure them, if he is fast enough**.

I have heard rumor's of the Planet X and it's possible impact on our Planet and our Solar system,

What? Nibiru?

Never heard of it

I actually thought they launched the Herschel IR telescope in order to look for the red dwarf star it was supposed to be, or having it in tow, i cant remember which.
The point is, i never heard more from that telescope, it was publicly said to have been made for IR CMB measurements, but thats all high in the microwave area, so what were they looking for?

Their next explanation (a good one as it happens) is that with IR they could look right through dust clouds etc, something you can't do in the visible spectrum........

It would be great if one of you folks could go & research the Herschel mission for us...
It cost us a million a day for 3 years so i say we have a right to know!


* Try http://www.gravwave.com/ for an explanation of how this works, sorry no time to post all of it

**Eugevny (Eugene) Podkletnov maintains that the initial speed of his gravity pulses were many times faster than light.
Also, in classical astronomy, the effects of gravity over astronomical distabces is assumed as 'instantaneous' yet how can that be if it only travels as fast as light??

To this date, no-one has answered that one to my satisfaction

Armap is partially right, but consider also that our thick atmosphere saved us a lot, since objects just burned up on the way down, like they still do

[starwarp2000]

Also, in classical astronomy, the effects of gravity over astronomical distances is assumed as 'instantaneous' yet how can that be if it only travels as fast as light??

To this date, no-one has answered that one to my satisfaction

The starlight is also 'instantaneous'! So if light from distant stars is 'longitudinal' and travels the vast distance 'instantaneously', is only visible because it interacts with matter, thereby eventually 'phase-shifting' into EM, what is not to say that 'gravity' is similar?

Armap is partially right, but consider also that our thick atmosphere saved us a lot, since objects just burned up on the way down, like they still do

The recent Russian meteorite shows you why! The object was attacked by the atmosphere! An 'electrical' process made it glow brighter than the sun (A phenomena that couldn't be from friction alone) and then 'lightning' and 'static discharge' broke the object up, until it 'exploded'.
The Earth has a natural protection mechanism!

[1Worldwatcher]

A51 Wrote:

Was the Earth somehow spared these same impacts?

Well A51, there is a 'Known' time of our young planet that was called "The Late Heavy Bombardment" though this happened some 3.6 to 4 billion years ago, it is as mostly like ArMap has stated, oceans covered up the scars and time with erosion have cleaned the planets face, not to mention uplifting tectonic plates that also altered the earth very significantly.

A giant ancient barrage of asteroids striking Earth may have lasted much longer than previously thought, with some collisions perhaps even rivaling those that created the largest craters on the moon, researchers say.

Scientists think untold numbers of asteroids and comets pummeled Earth, the moon and the inner planets during an era known as the Late Heavy Bombardment about 4.1 billion to 3.8 billion years ago. Investigators continue to debate the precise nature of this epoch in terms of what happened and how long it lasted.

To learn more about the Late Heavy Bombardment, scientists would like to analyze the most obvious evidence cosmic impacts leave behind, their craters. However, while such craters are preserved well in the vacuum of the moon environment, they disappear quickly on Earth due to erosion and tectonic activity.

Asteroids Battered Young Earth Longer Than Thought

ETA: This is also about the time we start seeing our current atmosphere form on Earth, mainly from Ice comet impacts and celestial H2O as it impacted, and the Earth was at a high magma temp, it turned to steam and there by started the atmosphere on it's continuing path. Was quite an important event for the evolution of our planet.

Just thought this would be worth sharing here.

1WW

[starwarp2000]

To be more precise:



The distant star (or our own Sun) emits light as a Longitudinal Magneto-
Dielectric wave that travels through he intervening space without illuminating that space.
It is only until it encounters matter that it becomes visible.
In the case of a distant star, that would be various densities of interstellar matter. If we catalouge those densities we would have the 5 states of matter: Aetheric, Plasma, Gaseous, Liquid, and Solid.
The original light from the star has it's vectors of Dielectric and Magnetic Phase in conjunction (As on the right of the diagram). The passage through various densities of matter would alter those vectors, to the corresponding phase angle, characteristic of that density of matter.
Hence, the light we see from a distant star gets here instantaneously, after having it's phase angle altered by the intervening matter (In the line of sight path to the star from us the observer) and it is the phase sum and/or phase cancellations of those traverses that constitute the perceived 'colour' that we view from the star.
Sorry to pop anybody's 'red-shift' bubble

The light from our local star has less distance to travel, hence it appears Yellow against the blackness of space.
When we look through the atmosphere (at the blackness of space) we see the complement, blue.
Light doesn't become 'visible' until it interacts with matter!

What has this to do with gravity?
Well, if there is a link between Electricity, Light and Gravity (Which many researchers have shown) then the rules that apply to Light, also apply to both Electricity and Gravity.
If we took the Dielectric Constant of the matter between us and the star we are observing, we might just find that a one-to-one mapping existed between the perceived light and the averaged k constant of the intervening matter.
Hence there is a phase shifting, from pure Dielectric, to the Electromagnetic, that exists in conjunction with matter.

So, could you say that Gravity did the same between two bodies?

Light is essentially invisible in intervening space, and gravity diminishes from a body in space.
Light exhibits a spectrum coincident with the mix (Or phase angle) between Light and Dark.
Electricity exhibits a spectrum coincident with the mix (Or phase angle)  between Dielectricity and Magnetism.

Gravity exhibits a spectrum coincident with the mix (Or phase angle) between ? and ?.
Maybe that needs to be left for another post

[rdunk]

Here is one more of the Planet X NIBIRU info videos. This was posted on YT on August 23, 2013. Just a lot of "information" about the very-soon potential "possibilities", if a thing called NIBIRU actually passes this way!

Just a little more FYI, as this has been covered pretty well in this and other other threads here.