Bradley Manning Sentenced to 35 Years!!

[Elvis Hendrix]

Peace.

[robomont]

i tried showing my x navy brother the light and he couldnt see it either.no offence sarge .i respect your opinion and in the end you may be right.but my heart and common sense tells me otherwise.
being a marine corp dropout.i see both sides.the military is wrong but they cant be convinced.it is thorough brainwashing.kinda like asking a drug war cop to legalize drugs.
at the same time.sarge is right more often than he is wrong so i still listen to what he has to say.plus he has awesome skills.

[Sinny]

I don't feel like I need to expand on term, if it does not resonate with you immediately, then my explanation would serve no purpose.

[Sinny]

In closing..

I do not sanction murder.. Under any oath.

[Amaterasu]

In closing..

I do not sanction murder.. Under any oath.

Indeed, if there is murder, it is not what I have given any oath to.  Once there is murder, ANY oath of MINE is null and void.

Just sayin'.

[petrus4]

PS. I'm not going to go tit-for-tat on this cause it serves no purpose.
but, 'Military Mindwash'? what the hell is that?
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When we speak of soldiers being brainwashed, the only thing that we mean, is that while we absolutely recognise the willingness of said soldiers to serve their governments as fully and honourably as they can; the unspeakable reality is that governments themselves are generally not willing to reciprocate to the soldiers in kind.  Refusal on the part of the military to accept this reality; and the reality that they have ultimately risked their lives for the profits of psychopaths, is a major problem.

As a civilian, I have often had intense, passionate arguments with members of the American military online, about this very point.  The soldier's willingness to serve, again, in and of itself is not the source of contention.  The problem is the fact that war will remain with us, and will remain a constant, for so long as soldiers refuse to open their eyes and acknowledge the genuine nature of those they are giving everything to.

You might think you're doing it for your relatives; for your own communities, but again, the problem is that that is exactly what the politicians and the corporate contractors want you to think.  A war of aggression like Iraq, is not fought for the defense of a soldier's own family or community.  It is fought exclusively for the perpetuation of psychopathic greed.

The other problem with glorification of the military, and I have also written about this before, is the fact that glorifying the troops causes a grave risk of normalising war.  There are many within American society who wish to create the public perception that war is an inescapable element of human instinct; that there will always be another theatre, somewhere, and that ultimately, the reason why fighting occurs, and the politics behind it, are immaterial.  The point is for war to become a way of life.

I have spent time on 4chan.org, in the political forum there.  I have engaged rhetorically with fascists, who adamantly believe the words of Hitler, Paton, and Mussolini; that war can be the only effective crucible of human activity, and that supposedly, it is the only truly meaningful form of human activity.  There are people in America and Europe who would die for the sake of that belief, and their numbers grow every day.

Nazism is coming back; and before the end of the next decade, I believe that we will see the recreation of concentration camps on American soil.  Again, I have written about this before.  Society will learn from this, and eventually, after it goes through what is to come, we will then have civilisation characterised by uninterrupted peace; because Man will have finally had his fill of the alternative.

We will not learn, before the Convulsion.  There can be no appeal made; no successful argument given.  Until the Convulsion occurs, the disciples of Gordon Gekko will drown out all opposition.  The military and the fascists will continue to advocate war as a supposedly irremovable inevitability of human life, and the majority will believe them.

The only thing that will finally sate the human desire for blood, will be what is coming; and that is why I welcome it.  Because after it, then, and only then, will we see the sunrise.

To men like John Hutchison, and to women like Amaterasu, I can only say that I am not like them.  I am angry; I am ego-driven; I experience fear, and rage, and hate.  I have alienated almost everyone I have ever known; not just online, but also off.  My immediate biological family are the only people I interact with offline on a daily basis, aside from the staff of some local shops.

I am not like you.  The only thing I can say in my own defense, however, is that while your way is not my own, I know that it is right, and that mine is wrong.  You will survive to see what is coming after the current darkness; I very well may not. 

I want other people to see it, though.  I will not control my tongue, or my own depravity; it has been tried before, and I continue to fail.  If anything redeems me, I hope it will be that while I am not always consistent in moving towards it, I want others to experience John's, and PWM's, and Amaterasu's future; even if I never do myself.

[robomont]

well you havent alienated me yet.lol.im sure im on the list .

[petrus4]

well you havent alienated me yet.lol.

I am glad I haven't, robo.

[ArMaP]

When we speak of soldiers being brainwashed, the only thing that we mean, is that while we absolutely recognise the willingness of said soldiers to serve their governments as fully and honourably as they can; the unspeakable reality is that governments themselves are generally not willing to reciprocate to the soldiers in kind.  Refusal on the part of the military to accept this reality; and the reality that they have ultimately risked their lives for the profits of psychopaths, is a major problem.

My boss was in the war in Africa, the war the then Portuguese colonies were fighting to get their independence. He was in Guinea Bissau, in the jungle wars. They had a doctor that once was treating some of the captured enemies and the captain told him to stop, that they were just going to send them to prison as they were, and the doctor gave him a lesson on how people are all the same, regardless of colour of skin or opinions, and treated the enemies as he had treated the other soldiers.

My boss, who had an education based on the regime indoctrination (very effective), in a state sponsored institution, was impressed by what the doctor said and, from that moment, he started to think about all those things that he thought were absolute truths.

He fought until he was sent against a tree trunk by the explosion of a grenade (he still has a slight limp, after almost 50 years) that left him almost dead, but a friend recognised him and saw that he was still alive and he was evacuated to the hospital and back to Europe.

He never abandoned his oath, but he never abandoned his convictions that all  people should be treated with the same respect.

People are people, the fact that we are born in one side or the other of an imaginary line that separates two countries is meaningless, and that should be the first thing we think about.

[Amaterasu]

ArMaP, can I hug You for that?  I agree.  We are Humanity, and all are deserving of respect as Humans.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I'll remember that as they, the beautiful humanity chops off your head after they've raped and stoned you.

[Amaterasu]

I'll remember that as they, the beautiful humanity chops off your head after they've raped and stoned you.

Sgt, are You ok?  Sounding a tad defensive there.

Just sayin'.

[robomont]

thats that other side wisdom.muslims are the fastest growing religion in the world and it is theorized that half the country may be in fifty years.i think i read.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Sorry, just stating my opinion. Sometimes I feel people here see things as they should be or want them to be but not living in reality.
It's an ugly world out there and man is a dangerous animal. We have people out there with a medieval mentality with 21st century technology. A very dangerous combination.

I guess I really forget myself sometimes and learn to keep my big mouth shut....

I keep saying it.
Peace....

Rock...

[petrus4]

I'll remember that as they, the beautiful humanity chops off your head after they've raped and stoned you.

A question to ask, Sgt, is whether or not we really believe that there are that many enemies in the world; or whether, in reality, we actually need enemies.  If we've lived in a scenario for longer than we can remember, where there has always been someone else to fight or to view as a threat to us, then eventually it becomes very difficult to see reality in any other way.

It becomes an identity issue.  Thomas Payne might have written that America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy; but in reality, that is exactly what America does, and it is what America has done for close to a century now.  That is the entire reason why Superman as a character exists; he is an anthropomorphic personification of how Americans like to view themselves, at least as far as their relationship with the rest of the planet is concerned.