The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis: Pure misdirection?

[Eighthman]

As a practical matter, I pursue this subject to find hope, not merely as a curiosity.  There may be evidence that Aliens have discreetly intervened in regard to nuclear missiles and perhaps in regard to other threats.

I tend to look at the human race as a man placed against a brick wall for execution - who strangely finds no wonder in why volley after volley of shots has missed him.

False flags, nuclear accidents, Fukushima, weird new diseases that fail as pandemics, asteroids, CME's, solar flares, sensor failures warning about WW3 launches, plutonium dumps in the Arctic Sea......

Somebody likes us.  Or acts as if they do.

Will the internet move us to shared consciousness? If so, that which follows may be wonderful.

[ArMaP]

Somebody likes us.  Or acts as if they do.

Or we think things are worse than they are.

[Elvis Hendrix]

As a practical matter, I pursue this subject to find hope, not merely as a curiosity.  There may be evidence that Aliens have discreetly intervened in regard to nuclear missiles and perhaps in regard to other threats.

I tend to look at the human race as a man placed against a brick wall for execution - who strangely finds no wonder in why volley after volley of shots has missed him.

False flags, nuclear accidents, Fukushima, weird new diseases that fail as pandemics, asteroids, CME's, solar flares, sensor failures warning about WW3 launches, plutonium dumps in the Arctic Sea......

Somebody likes us.  Or acts as if they do.

Will the internet move us to shared consciousness? If so, that which follows may be wonderful.

Or maybe we've  just been lucky this far, and we are hanging by a thread.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Somebody likes us.  Or acts as if they do.


Or we think things are worse than they are.

Hmmmmm..  The "Opposites".

All is made from the "Opposites" !

There's that Paradox once again...

Perhaps we need to understand HOW ALL has been Manufactured from the "Opposites"  ?   


The "Opposites" also enables the Phenomena of "Choice"....

[undo11]

weird new diseases that fail as pandemics,

my nephew contracted H1N1.  they had to put him in an artificial coma for 21 days, to save his life.  when they finally brought him out of it, he was alive, but now had a thyroid disease, diabetes, and parkinsons. 

[Eighthman]

As to being 'lucky',  I often marvel at how skeptical explanations, offered almost automatically in defense of mainstream narratives, would eviscerate law enforcement, if widely applied.

"How did you acquire these large sums, sir?"  "Did you find the sudden death of the star witness against you to be highly timely and coincidental?"


"I got lucky!"

[Pimander]

interesting that you arrived at that conclusion with scientific skepticism regarding their abilities and physiology. whereas i arrived at that conclusion based on things like this

Some (most?) of the material I write on here is more "educated" or even imaginitive speculation that scientific scepticism but I agree with the sentiment.  You can tell when I'm being sceptical as members start arguing with me.  It is interesting and the more routes we take to a place, the more we feel like I know our way around.

Whether an Alien is from a hollow earth, our future, an undersea base in the Pacific or a galaxy far away, we still are faced with the fact that they are not manifest to common society.  No present government (that I am aware of) openly affirms their existence.  The matter is still dominated by dismissals and ridicule.

Agreed.  They are still aliens, whether ET or not.

"They" apparently shut off some Minuteman missiles - but did not stop the obscene 'Tsar Bomba' test.  Why?  Where ever their home is,  none of them ever stages a 'Day The Earth Stood Still' visit.  Why not?

Not in their interests?  If they can they don't so it isn't in their interests to do so.

Perhaps the answer to that riddle lies in the "high strangeness" aspect of the phenomenon?

Many channelers assert their benevolence and caring about us but they could easily 'level' the hurtful inequality of our world if they gave us free energy technology.  Why not?

Why? Power?  The "aliens" want to remain more powerful than us.  Or their technology is completely alien and useless to us?

Free energy is virtually limitless power.  Why would anyone give humans that when they build nuclear bombs and nuclear power stations on fault lines with the current deadliest technology in their possession.

If we at PRC get close to a free energy technology, we have to be responsible and not advertise everything on Skype and public forums.  Society has to adapt and the technology needs to be used carefully.  I know Zorgon is aware of this but are we all?

This touches on what the authorities are partly concerned about.  Free energy would be deadly in the wrong hands.  The other thing they fear is the economic implications and potential chaos caused by the potential widespread availability of free energy.

OTOH, I would prefer to think that reported cases that are extremely negative are the product of sick humans, trying to trigger fearfulness by using alien technology.

I'd like to think a lot of things but that doesn't make them true. 

My personal opinion is; "Hey - ho"...There's lots going on around us, do we need to worry about labels?

The reason labels matter is a simple one.  The key to understanding is the definition of terms.  (MatrixTraveller and I are finding this out when we try to communicate I think).

The UFO/aliens phenomenon is one that continues to confound some great minds (and many less great ones ).   Clearly the people pondering the riddle have looked at the puzzle the wrong way or they would have solved it by now.  I think that labelling the phenomenon as being Extraterrestrial has played no small part in keeping people in the box and confused.

Labels do matter.  Would you call someone with a penis a woman?

[Pimander]

A few of you mentioned Channelling.

MK-ULTRA & COINTELPRO - Sinister Mind Control and New Age

I agree with you Eighthman that there is more than one solution to the riddle.  Solutions to include covert human tech, cover ups of nuclear accidents and a highly strange interdimensional thing.  Perhaps even the odd real ET.

However, the crux of this thread was that if we say that there are intelligent humanoids (including in ancient texts like Sinny said) and the sightings are in some cases real (partly or wholly flesh and blood not just visions), that they are common sightings relative to other types,  that they need no life support and can tolerate Earth atmosphere, temperatures and pressures and are familiar enough with humans to push their spiritual buttons (and even mate with them according to reports) then they are terrestrial or very near neighbours.  It stands to reason.

[petrus4]

A few of you mentioned Channelling.

MK-ULTRA & COINTELPRO - Sinister Mind Control and New Age

With respect, Pimander, you and I have had some divergence of opinion on this topic before.  Specifically, while I definitely agree that some channelled material is the product of covert operations, that does not necessarily mean that all of it is; and personally, I am not prepared to generalise to that extent.

An additional reason why I am not prepared to make that generalisation, is because of the extent to which I have found some channelled material to both be empowering, and conducive to a more effective understanding of the society in which I live.

However, the crux of this thread was that if we say that there are intelligent humanoids (including in ancient texts like Sinny said) and the sightings are in some cases real (partly or wholly flesh and blood not just visions), that they are common sightings relative to other types,  that they need no life support and can tolerate Earth atmosphere, temperatures and pressures and are familiar enough with humans to push their spiritual buttons (and even mate with them according to reports) then they are terrestrial or very near neighbours.  It stands to reason.

I am uncertain as to why environmental or physiological similarity, is necessarily associated with a close point of origin to our own.  It certainly might be, of course; but I don't think it necessarily has to be.

Here on Earth, we have animals with a fairly large number of different forms of locomotion or movement; yet you tend to find that in the case of the more intelligent creatures, at least as we define intelligence, (dolphins, corvids in terms of birds, the higher primates, humans) there are usually some consistent elements, such as large brains, two legs, the ability to manipulate other objects, etc.

So it seems logical to me, that there are probably only a limited number of correct ways of doing something, so to speak.  If you want a creature that can exist in multiple different environmental types, can manipulate objects, and can achieve a high degree of technological ability, then bipedal motion with opposable thumbs is useful.  I can't see a creature necessarily having tentacles, if said tentacles are unlikely to have utility to it in its' environment.

Again, there might be ways of designing organisms that are infinitely more useful or biologically fit, than anything that I can comprehend; that is a given.  Yet in my observation, Nature also tends towards simplicity.  So if there's a pattern here on Earth which works, it again makes sense to me, that if there are other Earth-like planets elsewhere in space, (which again, based on what we know, seems plausible) then life on those planets has probably followed a similar anatomical pattern as well, simply because that is what works most effectively within that environment.

Again, you might have flying Cthulhumanoids or something in very non-Earth-like environments, but I'm only talking here, about ones which are similar to ours.

[Amaterasu]

A few of you mentioned Channelling.

MK-ULTRA & COINTELPRO - Sinister Mind Control and New Age

I agree with you Eighthman that there is more than one solution to the riddle.  Solutions to include covert human tech, cover ups of nuclear accidents and a highly strange interdimensional thing.  Perhaps even the odd real ET.

However, the crux of this thread was that if we say that there are intelligent humanoids (including in ancient texts like Sinny said) and the sightings are in some cases real (partly or wholly flesh and blood not just visions), that they are common sightings relative to other types,  that they need no life support and can tolerate Earth atmosphere, temperatures and pressures and are familiar enough with humans to push their spiritual buttons (and even mate with them according to reports) then they are terrestrial or very near neighbours.  It stands to reason.

Or They genetically created Us with Their DNA...

[Eighthman]

I can suggest some answers.  The Aliens who visit us may be those that are consistent with our genes, atmosphere and so on.  Like the Tall Whites who stop by for visits.
There was also a claim that the Roswell aliens were "dolls" - bodies used remotely by distant aliens.

I think our misadventures with nuclear power should strongly suggest to our Alien buddies that we would be much better off with free energy than for us to keep using the awful crap we're stuck with.

Humanoids?  Humanoids aren't human, they would be similar to humans.  Not to be picky but I once had to work with a young woman in a media job who reported on TV that local police found "humanoid" remains when it was just some dead drifter in a field.  She really meant 'human'.

As to the lack of "The Day The Earth Stood Still",  we need to ask why is it in their interests to be so shy? Or not in their interests for us to panic? 

[Ellirium113]

 

As to the lack of "The Day The Earth Stood Still",  we need to ask why is it in their interests to be so shy? Or not in their interests for us to panic? 

Who will be the first to stand in the midst of the hornet's nest and flail their arms about? 

[burntheships]

Who will be the first to stand in the midst of the hornet's nest and flail their arms about? 

I do this on a regular basis, so far...nothing.

[zorgon]

As to the lack of "The Day The Earth Stood Still",  we need to ask why is it in their interests to be so shy? Or not in their interests for us to panic?

Simple... because they came in the 50's with good intentions and we showed them how "worthy" we were.

Missed that boat  we did

[The Seeker]

Simple... because they came in the 50's with good intentions and we showed them how "worthy" we were.

Missed that boat  we did

Yup. And the scuttlebutt has been for quite some time that the gubmint ran off the cowboys and made a pact with the indians...