The USA are now openly imperialists: What can you do about it?

[Amaterasu]

Well it clearly didn't work because the Allies won the war and the UK still has its own foreign policy - which helped make NATO so strong by keeping the USA close to Europe - and its own currency.  Other EU countries do too.

It's still in process...  Or it was, but things seem to be going not according to plan.

[Pimander]

Petrus, I don't have time to follow up all your comments right now but if people do not UNITE then the psychopaths win.  That is fundamentally why you are wrong where you say unity is a swear word.  That was a point ArMaP tried to make earlier in the thread too.

United we stand, divided we fall.

[Pimander]

It's still in process...  Or it was, but things seem to be going not according to plan.

It must have been a useless plan.  What kind of psychopath plans something that wil not benefit them in their lifetime?  I'd say that would be a moron not a psychopath.

[Amaterasu]

Petrus,


The psychopaths are NOT a problem in a system that does not promote Them.  That is why My system has no money and no centralized body enforcing, but that if an Individual's behavior is disruptive the problem can be tackled by Those who CARE.

Problem-solving not politicking.

[burntheships]

That doesn't mean the world is going to be ruled by the head of the Rothschild's family.

While the Rothschilds may not prevail as the rulers, it is certainly possible
that they may be a part of the big picture.

There is at work a Fifth Column in all of these nations
imperialistic march. That is the the core of the problem,
imo. Yes, the current Obama Administration stated
positiion is nearly opposite of the campaign he ran
as hopeful POTUS. An aside ( where are the screams from
the far left? )

I'm for a World structure or constitution that determines how people can be treated - otherwise you inevitable get most countries bullied by a few powerful countries or private interests. 

This is what the United Nations is supposedly for, yet we have them
implementing governance over nations with Agenda 21, so in reality
The United Nations is not fulfilling its stated purpose.

This is the problem with the larger governing bodies, they eventually
end up doing the opposite of what they were created for.
As an example we need look no further than The Feds, they now
battle with The  States, essentially weakening them, the opposite
of the Founding Fathers intent.

You can't run an infrastructure, currency and resource allocation fairly and democratically without some kind of set up that facilitates it.

Indeed, yet it seems that it is best for each nation
to remain sovereign unto itself. The insidious works
of the IMF and The World Bank are by no means the
hope of the nations.

the right of local states to govern themselves without interference on other matters should be protected by a constitutional ruling.

Yes, this is the answer, return to States sovereignty where
The Federal Government exists to strengthen them, not erode.

The model works, its not a bad one even for the rest of the world.

The real evil lies with the Fifth Column, and where it intends to take
all of the nations....which leads my thoughts back to The Rothschilds.

While The U.S. embarks on its imperialistic march, there is a far
greater, stronger, and more powerful unholy trinity of imperialism;
The United States Military ( Fifth Column, DARPA, NSA, CIA ),
London, and Rome.

It is my prediction that the United States is now undergoing
a planned and well timed transformation; from being a beacon
of hope to the word to a despised despot nation, this has been
planned from the 50's or earlier. The timing of Wikileaks, Snowden
its all part of the plan. There will come a time when The United
States will no longer own the military might of The Pentagon.

This is happening as we speak, the goal being a global
military that will be governed by a global governance.

The drama playing out before our eyes in America is
the stage, in which people are deceived into support
of America's fall. Eyes will be taken away from the real
threat of a One World Government, and directed to
the staged "Big Bad America"....so much so that the
people will cheer for its demise, even as it swallows them.

The answer to the imperialistic threat is not the weakening
of The United States, or its military; The answer is a return
to The Constitution of The U.S., and a dismantleling of
The United Nations, and a destruction of The Fifth Column.

Of course, all of this is my humble opinion; however based
in facts that are plainly true.

[ArMaP]

Unity is a swearword in my vocabulary, and I will admit that quite openly.

What about a community like Pegasus?

[Amaterasu]

This is what the United Nations is supposedly for, yet we have them
implementing governance over nations with Agenda 21, so in reality
The United Nations is not fulfilling its stated purpose.

Applying this principle to the Obamacare legislation, and taking the social security system as a past example - where the People were PROMISED up one side and down the other that it would never EVER be used for identification purposes - and with MUCH that suggests evil intent (NDAA anyOne?), WHY would We expect Obamacare to be serving the purpose THEY say it will?

This is the problem with the larger governing bodies, they eventually
end up doing the opposite of what they were created for.
As an example we need look no further than The Feds, they now
battle with The  States, essentially weakening them, the opposite
of the Founding Fathers intent.

Yes.

Yes, this is the answer, return to States sovereignty where
The Federal Government exists to strengthen them, not erode.

The model works, its not a bad one even for the rest of the world.

Except... ALWAYS the psychopaths will find Their psychopath to the top of the money/power heap.  One way or another.  And what was that quote...?  "Give Me control of a money supply and I care not what rules are made?"  Something like that.

Sooner or later, They WILL find a way to the top.

The real evil lies with the Fifth Column, and where it intends to take
all of the nations....which leads my thoughts back to The Rothschilds.

And what gives this Fifth Column its power?  The money, of course.  They'd be just other People if it wasn't for control of the system of accounting for energy, requiring Human energy input to "earn" a right to live, thus slavery, whether outright or "voluntary" for "pay," and on and on.  Just other People.

While The U.S. embarks on its imperialistic march, there is a far
greater, stronger, and more powerful unholy trinity of imperialism;
The United States Military ( Fifth Column, DARPA, NSA, CIA ),
London, and Rome.

Them too. Money.  Pull the money rug out from under These and They have nothing but material possessions and any smile They can muster.

It is my prediction that the United States is now undergoing
a planned and well timed transformation; from being a beacon
of hope to the word to a despised despot nation, this has been
planned from the 50's or earlier. The timing of Wikileaks, Snowden
its all part of the plan. There will come a time when The United
States will no longer own the military might of The Pentagon.

This is happening as we speak, the goal being a global
military that will be governed by a global governance.

Let's make this clear.  We will have a global controlMIND.  A governMENT.  We will not have governance, which is agreeable to the Individual.  We will have a collective - the whole indoctrination bit of the "New Age" crowd.  IF We want to preserve the Individual and Each's unique gift(s), We had better start a conversation about solutions.

And frankly, working within a moneyed framework will only ease bits of burden here and there at best, and leave that ripe ol' system sitting there to again be plucked.

The drama playing out before our eyes in America is
the stage, in which people are deceived into support
of America's fall. Eyes will be taken away from the real
threat of a One World Government, and directed to
the staged "Big Bad America"....so much so that the
people will cheer for its demise, even as it swallows them.

Yes.  Precisely.  So.  Free energy.

The answer to the imperialistic threat is not the weakening
of The United States, or its military; The answer is a return
to The Constitution of The U.S., and a dismantleling of
The United Nations, and a destruction of The Fifth Column.

Of course, all of this is my humble opinion; however based
in facts that are plainly true.

I plan on rewriting the Constitution to remove the commerce elements that would be meaningless in abundance...

Really, the only permanent solution to psychopaths running this planet is to eliminate the survival aspect of Our trading and gifts.  And as You know, I have a practical solution to just that goal.

[petrus4]

I'm deleting what I had previously written here, because it was pessimistic, without serving any real purpose.

We can overcome, and we can solve our current problems; but we need to learn to both think, and take real responsibility for ourselves.  Most of the people here probably do that, but too many other people do not.

[petrus4]

What about a community like Pegasus?

This community is relatively small, Armap.  I have nothing against small groups; and even when I say that I am suspicious of unity, that still doesn't mean that I think we should be murdering each other.  What I primarily do not want is unity in terms of politics or governments, because that leads to concentrations of power, which become very difficult to remove.

We do not need to have a single, global superstate in order to treat each other well.  We simply need to learn and appreciate the value of self-management on the one hand, and secondly, to learn to diagnose and successfully treat the psychopaths on the other.

That is the main issue.  Immunise ourselves against the psychological vulnerabilities that Hitler documented, which allow the psychopaths to exploit us, and then learn how to diagnose the psychopaths, and either treat their condition or keep them securely confined, so that they cannot continue to dominate and subvert society.

The problem is not exclusively the psychopaths on their own.  We must take responsibility as well.  The psychopaths primarily manipulate us by making appeals to cowardice, and claiming that everything they do which results in the loss of our freedom, is done for our "protection."  We need to learn to recognise that pattern for what it is, and stop falling for it.  All we need to do is recognise it, and very firmly tell the psychopaths, "No," when they ask whether we are willing to lose our freedom, for the sake of false security.

[zorgon]

What about a community like Pegasus?

In my Medieval Group we solve the problem with our Motto "Unity in Diversity"

What we did was set up a system that was pretty much a Feudal System.  Each person who had an idea was allowed to create a "City State" within our "Empire" in which they had absolute control. So long as each "City State" fulfilled their obligations to the  "Empire" they had the power of the empire as backing but didn't have someone dictating what they could or couldn't do,

It worked very well... in no time we were a major presence on the Ren scene  because each group was motivated to show their best. The only rule was "If you want to be a Duke of a City State... you must BE a Duke"  In otherwords you must have the ability to run your group as you promised

So each group had its own existance but yet we were all unified under a common flag...

Like the United Nations... but without the council that just ends up arguing and getting nowwhere

[petrus4]

In my Medieval Group we solve the problem with our Motto "Unity in Diversity"

What we did was set up a system that was pretty much a Feudal System.  Each person who had an idea was allowed to create a "City State" within our "Empire" in which they had absolute control. So long as each "City State" fulfilled their obligations to the  "Empire" they had the power of the empire as backing but didn't have someone dictating what they could or couldn't do

In scientific or technocratic (positive; I know of a very different meaning for the word "technocracy," than what most use) terms, each one of your City States would be called a Working Group, Zorgon.  The idea is that you have an overall project (corresponding with your Empire, although not entirely, perhaps) with working groups governing each smaller subtask within said project.

The Internet used to have the Internet Engineering Task Force; but there were various working groups devoted to each particular protocol.  Mind you, that was before government and Capitalism got hold of the Internet, and destroyed that earlier structure.

[zorgon]

Yes WORKING groups with emphasis on the "WORKING" 

You want the world to change you need to divide it into working groups that allow for the various religions and other ideas, because the more you try to eradicate them the stronger they will entrench.

Small groups left alone will work themselves out and pretty much stick to themselves.  They only stick their nose into empire business when the empire messes with their status quo

[burntheships]

WHY would We expect Obamacare to be serving the purpose THEY say it will?

Yes, why would anyone. I certainly see right through it,
and will act accordingly. Obamacare is uniquely insidious
in that just by existing, one must respond to this legislation
in some manner. That is unprededented, perhaps only matched
by the assignment of a Social Security #.

Since we are on the topic, we have Social Security #'s here
in the U.S., what unique identifiers are assigned in the U.K,
anyone? Other countries?

Sooner or later, They WILL find a way to the top.

Agreed, and while they truely are psychopaths, imo that is not
a full enough description of them. I am of the mind that they are
actually the embodiment of evil itself. My thoughts on this
run deep, and perhaps this deserves its own topic.
I see evil as opposing what is good, by its very nature
it is destructive. It seeks to destroy its opposite good.

And what gives this Fifth Column its power?  The money, of course.  They'd be just other People if it wasn't for control of the system of accounting for energy, requiring Human energy input to "earn" a right to live, thus slavery, whether outright or "voluntary" for "pay," and on and on. 

Well Amy, as much as I agree with you, here I have some disagreement,
as I do think that evil can and does exist apart from money.

IF We want to preserve the Individual and Each's unique gift(s),
We had better start a conversation about solutions.

Here I agree, to what extent we can, let us go forward.
I for one know that my earthly time is but a moment,
life goes on afterwards and for that I am eternally thankful
that I am not a citizen of the earth indefinitely. 
However, while I am here I am all for being the best
steward I can be. 

[petrus4]

The answer to the imperialistic threat is not the weakening
of The United States, or its military; The answer is a return
to The Constitution of The U.S., and a dismantleling of
The United Nations, and a destruction of The Fifth Column.

Of course, all of this is my humble opinion; however based
in facts that are plainly true.

Given that I am now feeling considerably more sane than I was when I made my initial response to this thread, I can agree with this.

The problem with getting rid of the United Nations, however, is that far too many people have been seduced into believing that it is a positive thing.  The U.N. actually could be a genuinely good thing in some respects; but the problem is that even in those areas where it could be genuinely beneficial, it would still need the monopoly of violence which it seeks, for enforcement.

[ArMaP]

The problem is not exclusively the psychopaths on their own.  We must take responsibility as well.  The psychopaths primarily manipulate us by making appeals to cowardice, and claiming that everything they do which results in the loss of our freedom, is done for our "protection."  We need to learn to recognise that pattern for what it is, and stop falling for it.  All we need to do is recognise it, and very firmly tell the psychopaths, "No," when they ask whether we are willing to lose our freedom, for the sake of false security.

I agree, and we don't need free energy or the right to have guns to do that.