The USA are now openly imperialists: What can you do about it?

[burntheships]

Wait and see... that is about all we can do until they settle down

True enough, I have talked with several doctors, and those
in offices...let it settle down, or as was said to me, let it crash.
While the dust settles, I will take a pragmatic approach.
Keeping in mind the U.S. already has Medicare, and I think
some states ( CA ) Medicaid.

**** In General.....

In the mean time, if it is affordable for some, I say great.

For those who already had plans, this is the splinter in the craw,
those plans have to change to measure up to a "standard", which
ALL insurance companies must comply, and therefore use it to
raise premiums, sometimes as high as 3 times. That is not a
factoid reported on Before Its News, that is a verified reality
for several people I know. I had private insurance, when Obamacare
became law, for NO reason my premium doubled. I cancelled it,
knowing exactly what was going on, then getting a quote for
the actual policly that complies, sorry to say it is over triple
the price I was paying, and I have NO pre existing conditions,
and good credit.

And for the young people, those who are healthy they have also
seen premiums up over twice as much, Obama admitted as much
they need the young to pay, its not unlike Social Security.

All this said, each individual should do what benefits them
the most, and let the chips fall where they may....as there
will be no stopping the chips from falling.

Just my 2 cents. 

[robomont]

agreed zorgon but i tried a sight the otherday and it started with alaska and i had to scroll.phone locked up.before i even got off the alaska programs.gonna wait and see.

[petrus4]

THAT sounds more like the old Petrus

I recited the Devi Kavacam earlier; I am feeling better now.  I haven't done real sadhana for at least a year now, and psychologically, that is probably my biggest problem at the moment.  I really need to start practicing again.  It keeps me sane, when virtually nothing else does.

Her Majesty's gubmint will gladly send a few thousand Marines to 'liberate' you guys, like we did before, but you might be jumping from the pan into the fire, as i recall you kicked us out last time

If any country militarily intervenes on behalf of the American public, it will be Russia; and the government has known that for a long time.  The Americans on this forum should probably work on developing a more positive opinion of Vladimir Putin, if they don't like him already; because if it comes down to the wire to the degree that I am expecting to, he will end up being your saviour.

England is as much under the control of the Eye as America herself, at the moment.  The contemporary axis of evil is America, England, and Australia.

The CFR knew way back then that the US will be heavily dependant on oil, and would ned to fight, yes & even invade other countries, to get it.
They knew it back then, & they let it happen. Why? vested interests of course.

The CFR are one of the Eye's front groups.  Always have been.

If you guys could just shed those leeches on your backs, get truly independent & free, you would be one step closer to that utopia the founders had in mind.

There will be no just society, for as long as there is continental (or larger) scale federalism.  To the extent that nation states exist at all, they need to be extremely small, with a maximum population of around 2,000 people.  We need a very large number of micronations.  "Balkanisation," needs to cease being a dirty word.

If nuclear weapons are stated as the reason why we can't have that, then we need to destroy every nuclear weapon that anyone has, anywhere, along with the knowledge of how to make them, and permanently ban their production or use.

[petrus4]

Also...in terms of non-violent solutions, where America is concerned, there is one very simple one, but it can not be implemented, because of the number of people within the public, who are still sympathetic to the government.

A group of at least several million people, however, need to march to Washington, stand outside the gates, and inform the government that it has two choices.  It can either massacre that entire group, or it can surrender and disband peacefully and voluntarily; but that either way, the people are no longer willing to tolerate its' excesses.

I am truthfully not entirely confident that the government would not respond to that aggressively; I think it probably would.  It may not, however; and that is therefore the chance that needs to be taken.

[deuem]

petrus,

Bump that mini nation up to at max 2 million min 1 million and I can see it. I think 2,000 is way too small and only a village. The last place I lived was considered a village and they had 50,000 people. Not enough to keep it running on its own. It depends on how independant you want to be as a nation.

Quangdong has 10 million people, that would make every block a nation. Hope I don't need a visa for each of them.

But then which nation gets the goodies and who gets the unworkable land. With a large nation, they all get it. With small nations it is hard to go to war. Not enough money to buy fancy equipment. There are drawbacks either way but an interesting idea I have heard about for the last few years.
Deuem

[Sinny]

Stormclouds always closes with some good idea's:

[zorgon]

Last time they shut down the government it lasted 19 days   We survived

[zorgon]

No pay for Congress during the shutdown


Sign the Petition


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[Fruitbat]

Think of it this way, you are just saving a bit of ready cash, whilst Britain continues to set your course in the background.

We invested a lot in your country after the war disguised as lend lease repayments, bad business decisions etc., so don't worry, we won't let you go to waste...

There is a plan for your country, and all English people know it...

Fruitbat.

[1Worldwatcher]

No pay for Congress during the shutdown


Sign the Petition


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I think this is the proper way of off setting the budget conundrum caused by the PTB that are really having a Pissing match and costing us financially. Gubmint for the most part are all a bit shady for any kind of real trusting feeling's or out looks. After they are voted into office, we the people goes right out the door I feel.

Carrying out these Fed budget cut's by cutting the National Forestry and stupid act's like this are not only unacceptable, they are down right embarrassing. I have literally talk to people planning vacation's this past fiasco and had to divert their whole Itinerary due to the National Parks closing down and taking from the people of something that has nothing directly to do with the Shutdown in the first place, other than using fed funds, but these were intended for the forestry and it's counter parts.

It seems that no matter who we "Think" we are voting into office of this that or the other thing, we are continually let down by hidden past secrets or truly a display of blatant and out right criminal acts. And the only real way to see these types surface is to get the good representatives we do have to start talking up and get these thing's brought to the light of day.

As for the Obamacare, well, I knew there would be a shift of medical urgency and the need of medical facilities for under covered individuals, We have to consider as well that with in the Physicians communities, there are some really Schiester's as well, they do simple but charge thing's like get an X-Ray of a location that was just X-rayed by another Doctor a day ago, thing's like that, this is unacceptable, but I hear of these events all the time.

The water's can get  pretty muddy here, and it is easy to just not want to listen, hear or watch any of these thing's unfold, but, when it has to get as redundant as misappropriation of fund's, which has been displayed over and over by our current accepted state of affairs according to our representatives and house leader's, this is where we start to weed the garden.

IMHO

1WW

[Pimander]

I didn't say it was a bad thing, but it wasn't really a case of "the Sleeping Giant waking up".

True.

[Pimander]

Hate to break it to You but the EU's purpose was to eventually add it in under a fascist NWO...along with other economic unions.

Well it clearly didn't work because the Allies won the war and the UK still has its own foreign policy - which helped make NATO so strong by keeping the USA close to Europe - and its own currency.  Other EU countries do too.

Yes, there are liberties taken by governments that are extreme.  I'd also agree that a lot of leaders are fascist or tend toward fascism.  However, the mode of government enshrined in law is not fascist, even in Spain.  That is because somebody stood their ground and lost millions of lives in the process.


How many gears does a French Tank have?

One.... Reverse!   

[petrus4]

Well it clearly didn't work because the Allies won the war and the UK still has its own foreign policy - which helped make NATO so strong by keeping the USA close to Europe - and its own currency.  Other EU countries do too.

We are not talking about WW2, Pimander.  Amaterasu is right.  The European Union was intended as a transitory step towards world government.  I know that you've said that you don't consider that a negative thing; but some of us do.  The problems we have at the moment, with due to the current concentrations of non-consensual political power, would be infinitely greater under the system that they would like to impose.

[Pimander]

The thing is Petrus, any form of closer union can be interpreted as a step towards one government.  That doesn't mean the world is going to be ruled by the head of the Rothschild's family.  Think about it.... 

I'm for a World structure or constitution that determines how people can be treated - otherwise you inevitable get most countries bullied by a few powerful countries or private interests.  Paradoxically I'm also for decision making being local where possible.  There needs to be a FAIR framework or infrastructure for autonomous groups to be allowed to thrive.

You can't run an infrastructure, currency and resource allocation fairly and democratically without some kind of set up that facilitates it.

I'll use living beings as an example.  A group of single celled organisms can live symbiotically and harmoniously without the need for a brain.  As cells cooperate more they need and become multicellular then need things like a nervous system to stay alive.  When they become very large and complex they need a brain to coordinate their functions or they will die.  The same thing applies to human civilisation.

Without coordination a highly populated organism like human civilisation will start to break down, much like a human does without a brain.  Without coordination the more complex functions of civilisation (like the interweb, airports etc) will fall apart and a lot of people will starve - just like the cells of a human whose brain doesn't tell it to get food and eat will.  Some humans would survive but much of civilisation would break down.

For that coordination to be fair it has to be constitutionally obligated to care for all civilisation equally (as possible but nothing is perfect) which ultimately means it has to be GLOBAL.  We need a GLOBAL CONSTITUTION.  Civilisation is too complex not to have one.

A global constitution should take the best from the world.  Parts of the American are great for Americans.  If the rules applied to all humans and not just US citizens then we start to move towards something better.  I'd also like to see the principle of common ownership of infrastructure and raw materials WORLDWIDE written into it.  The right to run a business of your own (not a global corporations of course) and own your own home should be protected.

Finally - before I get accused of wanting a fascist or old communist style of government - the right of local states to govern themselves without interference on other matters should be protected by a constitutional ruling.

[petrus4]

The thing is Petrus, any form of closer union can be interpreted as a step towards one government.  That doesn't mean the world is going to be ruled by the head of the Rothschild's family.  Think about it.... 

It means that the world is going to end up being ruled by, whoever displays the greater degree of initiative, personal responsibility, and active intelligence; and as much as we might not like to admit it, that is almost always the psychopaths.

I'm not sure why, but for some reason virtuous individuals are far more inclined towards inertia, or at least mediocrity, even if they work hard.

I also agree that any form of union is a step closer to world government, which is exactly why I'm opposed to it.  Unity is a swearword in my vocabulary, and I will admit that quite openly.

I'm for a World structure or constitution that determines how people can be treated - otherwise you inevitable get most countries bullied by a few powerful countries or private interests.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights already exists, and has for a while now.  You only need to look at America's actions in Iraq in particular, to see how effective or well-regarded it really is.

Understand that with federalism, there is no route you can take, or angle that you can look at things, that does not lead back to the psychopaths winning.  If you say that you want a world constitution, then the only way to ensure that it will be worth the paper it is printed on, is to also have a global authority backing it, which has a universal monopoly of violence; which is what the U.N. itself wants, by the way.

Said global authority will be murderously corrupt literally before it sets up shop; and all the size of it will mean, is that it will be impossible to remove.  That is exactly what the psychopaths have been working towards for at least the last 12,000 years.  They can't wait for it.

Paradoxically I'm also for decision making being local where possible.  There needs to be a FAIR framework or infrastructure for autonomous groups to be allowed to thrive.

Again; the problem with fairness is that it implies enforcement.  I'm not saying I dislike the idea of fairness; lots of us like it.  Where you have a definition of fairness, however, you need an arbiter; and the need for an arbiter is exactly where you run into problems.

We have two central, perpetual crises.

a}  As Hitler observed, and is quoted in Sinny's sig; "How fortunate it is for leaders, that men do not think."

b}  Even to the extent that the non-psychopaths are prepared to display active intelligence, the psychopaths are willing to use murder, while the rest of us are not.  Gandhi's protests to the contrary aside, the fact is that whoever is willing to engage in murder, wins.  It's basically that simple.

We can talk about world federalism, or decentralisation, or anything else we want; but ultimately it doesn't matter, because the one problem that we still have not solved, is the psychopaths.  As long as the psychopaths exist, and as long as the elements of human nature which they can exploit also exist, then there is no positive economic or governmental system that we can devise, that will be able to work.

It will always ultimately reduce back to a scenario of the psychopaths ruling the entire planet, and holding the rest of us face down in the mud.

The psychopaths are the central problem.  The psychopaths are the only problem; and for the most part, they are the one thing that people are not willing to talk about.  It does not seem to matter how many people the American government kills; to a large extent, the American public keeps giving it the benefit of the doubt.  They keep insisting that their system is fine, they keep worshipping the Presidency, they keep behaving and thinking as though anyone in power still gives half a rat's backside about the Constitution, when it is painfully obvious that nobody in power does.

So it goes on.