The USA are now openly imperialists: What can you do about it?

[burntheships]

The U.N. actually could be a genuinely good thing in some respects; but the problem is that even in those areas where it could be genuinely beneficial, it would still need the monopoly of violence which it seeks, for enforcement.

Indeed Petrus.

Which it seems brings us to the problems of why some people
are driven to a desire to control others. The UN has its own factions
of military.

Also we must examine why the nations war, usually driven
by desires for money, control, and sometimes religion...and it seems
to be in the genes that men desire to war with one another, to conquer.

[ArMaP]

Since we are on the topic, we have Social Security #'s here
in the U.S., what unique identifiers are assigned in the U.K,
anyone? Other countries?

In Portugal we have a Identity Card with the respective number (it's being replaced by one of those smart cards), a Social Security number, a fiscal number, an health system number and a voter number (these are not national, they are just local numbers).

[Eighthman]

Discussions of this nature leave me frustrated because they seem tied to various ideologies rather than cold facts. Such as:

The UN is a debating society.  I don't comprehend old John Birch ideas about getting out of it because it seems to deal with fantasies spun by NWO order types - and accomplish little.

The most profound FACT I can think of in regard to these New World Order wetdreams is that centralized military power is politically IMPOTENT.  African states can't even control their capital cities at night, much less the country-side.  The US Military is being chased out of Afghanistan and Iraq by assault rifle toting insurgents - and this follows the similar Russian experience there, too.

The Bilderbergs, Rockefellers and similar Cabalists don't get it.  They can't control the streets, the mobs, the common herds of people.  The coming end of the War on Drugs - with giving up on marijuana prohibition is direct evidence that the Bigwigs can't control the masses.  Weed won, they lost.

We seem to be at a crossroads in which neither side is in control and the world is just drifting along, amidst pretense that recovery is possible.

I am astonished (although I shouldn't be) that the Mass Media hasn't noticed the incredible fact that the Federal government is blatantly illegitimate and has no right to exist.  The polls show that Congress, the Supreme Court and the Federal government generally have record lows of approval.   There is no basis for the required 'consent of the governed'.  I don't know how this all time worst situation ends.......

[Amaterasu]

The Internet used to have the Internet Engineering Task Force; but there were various working groups devoted to each particular protocol.  Mind you, that was before government and Capitalism got hold of the Internet, and destroyed that earlier structure.

What?  People stigmergically coming together to create for the betterment?  That never happens... Heh. 

[Amaterasu]

Well Amy, as much as I agree with you, here I have some disagreement,
as I do think that evil can and does exist apart from money.

I think it's a matter of perspective...  I see a real scenario where there is a race that is using ALL of Us, duping the many with "just wait, help is coming," and the "controlling" psychopathic few with "satanic visions."  The evil is psychopathy manifesting with encouragement and assistance from the Beings who see Humans as livestock.  They are not "evil," per se, but do not grasp that We see it as wrong, perhaps.

Here I agree, to what extent we can, let us go forward.
I for one know that my earthly time is but a moment,
life goes on afterwards and for that I am eternally thankful
that I am not a citizen of the earth indefinitely. 
However, while I am here I am all for being the best
steward I can be. 

I'm quite fond of this universe.  And I believe We Humans will choose to co-create better.

[zorgon]

The UN is a debating society.

Well put

The US Military is being chased out of Afghanistan and Iraq by assault rifle toting insurgents - and this follows the similar Russian experience there, too.

Putin - "We told you so..."

The Bilderbergs, Rockefellers and similar Cabalists don't get it.  They can't control the streets, the mobs, the common herds of people.  The coming end of the War on Drugs - with giving up on marijuana prohibition is direct evidence that the Bigwigs can't control the masses.  Weed won, they lost.

Quite true... but the problem is the "we the people..." are our own worst enemies. All this talk about the Cabal this, the Illuminati that, just fuels their fire. Ignore them and they will soon be rendered harmless.

90% of what internet bloogers say the Cabal is doing is total BS anyway and only has life in the endless mindless Twatter and Farcebook feeds.  No reality, no confirmation... just endless fear mongering and then like horroe films, they run off screaming at the fear they created

We seem to be at a crossroads in which neither side is in control and the world is just drifting along, amidst pretense that recovery is possible.

Yes the Pedulum is swinging. In 2000 the Rosicrucians decided it was time to 'come out of the closet' and take a more active role in fixing things. It will be slow, but as you say, Hemp and Weed winning is only the first sign... and only because it is on the minds of so many

I am astonished (although I shouldn't be) that the Mass Media hasn't noticed the incredible fact that the Federal government is blatantly illegitimate and has no right to exist. 

Mass media has been proven to be owned 99.5% by the Rothschilds... no surprise here..

The polls show that Congress, the Supreme Court and the Federal government generally have record lows of approval.   There is no basis for the required 'consent of the governed'.  I don't know how this all time worst situation ends.......

Thing is no one is willing to step up to the podium and take over.  Ron Paul... I though he was the one,,, but then he sold us out to Romney

I think I will just increase time selling on Ebay etc and rake in cash and sit back and wait to see the pendulum swing back

[ArMaP]

The Bilderbergs, Rockefellers and similar Cabalists don't get it.

If we get it, I'm sure the ones that are really controlling (or trying to control) things get it.

Because they get it, we don't really know who they are.

[Pimander]

While the Rothschilds may not prevail as the rulers, it is certainly possible
that they may be a part of the big picture.

They are because they own or are partners in many of the banks.  As long as the current banking system is part of the problem and not the solution then they are a problem.

It is worth remembering though that the Rothschild Empire is a financial one.  They do not even want political power - it is about financial control to maintain a disproportionate share of the worlds wealth.  They are not the only ones plotting for that.  I'd say we ignore particular figureheads and demand fundamental changes in the financial system worldwide.  NO exceptions for private interest groups of any description.

This is what the United Nations is supposedly for, yet we have them
implementing governance over nations with Agenda 21, so in reality
The United Nations is not fulfilling its stated purpose.

This is the problem with the larger governing bodies, they eventually
end up doing the opposite of what they were created for.
As an example we need look no further than The Feds, they now
battle with The  States, essentially weakening them, the opposite
of the Founding Fathers intent.

Until the UN is truly democratic and represents the people rather than a ruling elite this won't change.  Same in US politics.   The Senate and House of Reps control law in the USA and certainly not voters.  You need to remove private funding for electoral parties and get rid of private corporations influence (preferable by making big corps democratic and owned by their workers).

Indeed, yet it seems that it is best for each nation
to remain sovereign unto itself. The insidious works
of the IMF and The World Bank are by no means the
hope of the nations.

Again, the banks and IMF are not run in the interests of the many or democratic.

Yes, this is the answer, return to States sovereignty where
The Federal Government exists to strengthen them, not erode.

The model works, its not a bad one even for the rest of the world.

I agree in principle.  Any united democratic worldwide body could be used to facilitate a model like that.

The real evil lies with the Fifth Column, and where it intends to take
all of the nations....which leads my thoughts back to The Rothschilds.

While The U.S. embarks on its imperialistic march, there is a far
greater, stronger, and more powerful unholy trinity of imperialism;
The United States Military ( Fifth Column, DARPA, NSA, CIA ),
London, and Rome.

Military, Finance and "Spiritual" pacification are a pretty powerful combination.

It is my prediction that the United States is now undergoing
a planned and well timed transformation; from being a beacon
of hope to the word to a despised despot nation, this has been
planned from the 50's or earlier. The timing of Wikileaks, Snowden
its all part of the plan. There will come a time when The United
States will no longer own the military might of The Pentagon.

This is happening as we speak, the goal being a global
military that will be governed by a global governance.

The drama playing out before our eyes in America is
the stage, in which people are deceived into support
of America's fall. Eyes will be taken away from the real
threat of a One World Government, and directed to
the staged "Big Bad America"....so much so that the
people will cheer for its demise, even as it swallows them.

I'm not sure whether it is planned.  It is happening though so something has to be done about it.

The answer to the imperialistic threat is not the weakening
of The United States, or its military; The answer is a return
to The Constitution of The U.S., and a dismantleling of
The United Nations, and a destruction of The Fifth Column.

The UN could be part of the solution if it became democratic.  If the constitution or similar was enforced GLOBALLY then the US one would automatically be back in place.  I think sometimes we think inside a box.

Ultimately though, massive change is needed.  There are some good things in the world, not least of which is constitutional values.  It needs to be global AND UNITED.

[Pimander]

I agree, and we don't need free energy or the right to have guns to do that. [i.e. control the psychopaths]

No but we need a body/organisation powerful enough to stop psychopaths taking control.  That body/organisation has to have sensible rules that if enforced deny psychopaths power.  The body/organisation also has to be powerful enough to enforce those rules.

Without a body/organisation such as that, psychopathic despots are destined to continue to dominate the world stage and international finance.

For a body like that to exist, in my opinion, you need enough people to UNITE in support of it.  People will only unite to a common cause if they can do it democratically - which is what I am trying to explain.  We need to create a democratic organisation  the sole aim of which is to make this happen.   Efforts directed to other causes may help in small ways but will never resolve the problems civilisations currently has.

Or are you going to wait for Jesus/God/ET or whoever to help you?  You'll be waiting forever....

[Pimander]

What we did was set up a system that was pretty much a Feudal System.  Each person who had an idea was allowed to create a "City State" within our "Empire" in which they had absolute control. So long as each "City State" fulfilled their obligations to the  "Empire" they had the power of the empire as backing but didn't have someone dictating what they could or couldn't do,

Something like this but Global and democratic.  The "City States" would have to have their own rules but under a global constitution so would have to respect human rights, be democratic and support the Global "Empire".

Each City state would have to be democratically represented in the Global Empire which MUST defend their right to autonomy on everything outside their constitutional obligations to the rest of the world.

Every citizen of Earth would be represented.


Health care, big pharma and sharing of resources (esp raw materials and oil) would have to be overseen by global or regional organisations otherwise they would not be run fairly and for the benefit of all.

[Sinny]

Well put

Putin - "We told you so..."

Lulz.

"we the people..." are our own worst enemies. All this talk about the Cabal this, the Illuminati that, just fuels their fire. Ignore them and they will soon be rendered harmless.

90% of what internet bloogers say the Cabal is doing is total BS anyway and only has life in the endless mindless Twatter and Farcebook feeds.  No reality, no confirmation...

I was watching one of these 'internet blooger' video's last night. Interview of Beyonce being asked what the 'triangle hand' was all about - she said it's symbol of Rockefeller, and that Jay Z would be pleased to see it in the air... All the confirmation I need - we're offered it every waking moment of our lives...everywhere we look.

I've been bumping into many average Joe's, who sometimes have a better perception than myself, of this New World Order dysfunction. This is because they do follow the media, fame and showbiz - whereas I avoid it.

Almost all are awake - lets face it, you'd have to be docile not to see what paraded right under your nose, and in front of your eyes to see.

Thing is no one is willing to step up to the podium and take over.  Ron Paul... I though he was the one,,, but then he sold us out to Romney

I don't understand this thinking. We can't lay the responsibility of change onto the shoulders of one person. We are all responsible. Why don't you or I run for Prime Minister/President and make the changes we wish to see?.... Because it's bigger than just me or you - or Ron Paul - or Julian Assange ...This does take an act of unity, and strength in numbers.

Why would I wear my Guy Fawkes mask at a demonstration? Because I know I would be unduly persecuted by the law in today's political environment. Until I have my strength in number, I'd rather cover my own butt.

But here we are, your doing your part, right here on this very forum.
Me? Haven't figured out my part yet, but every day I make conscious choices to rebel against what I know to be wrong - and if we can get everybody moving in the same general direction - summins 'gotta give'.

[deuem]

Imperialism
According to the Dictionary;
the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.

Is the US doing this: I would say yes, they took over where Britain left off, just not raising the flag everywhere.

So we have some questions
1) If the states did not do this what would happen to the other countries, would they be absorbed by others?
2) Do we have a world wide responsibility to help others less fortunate?
3) What deals should we make with others that want help?
4) Should we ever give money?
5) Do we ever get paid back or is it a write off?
6) What does it take to keep parts of the world secure?
7) Should the states be in isolation again like before the World Wars?
Should we equalize trade or let it go unbalanced?
9) If other countries want our help, blood and money, should they join the states first?
10 Would the USA people allow another country to become a state? Say Afghanistan?

Should we close our eyes and say the heck with everyone, we have our own problems. Which we do!
How would people feel if Mexico an Canada were joined to us and became states? Big ouch or Yea?

Should the people have the right on who we give money to, say take a vote. Yea/Na
Should we eve borrow money from other countries?

All of the above problems are related to greed. Our greed for their fruits, Oil, raw materials and to keep the price below market price. If the cards were re-shuffled the prices would go so high, most everything we import would stop and the jobs would come home again. Maybe my coffee would be 5 times the cost.

Imperialism gave Britain a leg up on the world and it managed the world money. The dollar took over for what 50 years and it is now losing it worth. You can now buy oil in other currencies. Very soon we will have to buy RMB or Rubbles to buy oil. When that happens, the Imperialism benefits will come to a halt very quickly. It will drain every USD out of the country in a matter of a year or two.

Remember what the British did in Honk Kong. They setup a complete drug industry, took the profits and bought tea. Not one pound left England. he way you guys drink tea, they knew the country would be broke in a few years.

Un-balanced trade causes most of the problems that force greed to force another country to bend or lose. Countries that have a balanced trade are better off and not forced to enter Imperialism. To do this starts with each person buying American products or nothing. Bring the money home and stop giving it to the greedy importers. Make laws to in-force balanced trade.............

I also think that the world should have one dollar value. The idea that my money is worth more than yours is a setup to keep other countries down and poor. Everyone can keep their own money, just balance it out to be fair. Why should people in different countries do the same job and get paid differently. This was all set up to be this way....Setup to keep the lead and keep them poor........

Deuem

[ArMaP]

No but we need a body/organisation powerful enough to stop psychopaths taking control.  That body/organisation has to have sensible rules that if enforced deny psychopaths power.  The body/organisation also has to be powerful enough to enforce those rules.

Either that or the general population needs to understand what is happening.

Or are you going to wait for Jesus/God/ET or whoever to help you?  You'll be waiting forever....

I'm not waiting for anything.

[ArMaP]

Why would I wear my Guy Fawkes mask at a demonstration? Because I know I would be unduly persecuted by the law in today's political environment. Until I have my strength in number, I'd rather cover my own butt.

That would be a different way of using the mask.   

[petrus4]

It is my prediction that the United States is now undergoing
a planned and well timed transformation; from being a beacon
of hope to the word to a despised despot nation, this has been
planned from the 50's or earlier.

I keep trying to tell Americans, that the reality is that the country was never the beacon of hope, that they for some reason crave telling themselves that it is.  The country has never really been the proverbial shining city on a hill, and literally the sole justification that Americans have ever had for believing that, was Eisenhower's liberation of some of the German concentration camps, at the end of WW2.

Aside from WW2, there has never been a single act of American foreign military intervention which was wanted, asked for, appreciated, or that resulted in genuine and lasting benefit to the target nation.  It has never happened, and the idea that it has, is nothing more than an illusion.

Apart from anything else, Americans desperately need to get the stars out of their eyes, where their mythological "Founders," are concerned.  In reality, they were a group of elitist, slave-owning Freemasons who largely plagiarised the system which had been previously used by the Roman Empire; and we all saw how well it worked for the Romans in the end, didn't we?

Don't forget also, that your supposedly glorious Republic was built on top of the corpses left behind by Washington's genocide of the natives.  First, these supposedly enlightened, God-inspired geniuses slaughtered 98% of the people who had previously been living in the country, and then they shipped large numbers of black people from Africa to work as a slave labour force.  Such glorious freedom.