The USA are now openly imperialists: What can you do about it?

[ArMaP]

But when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor... the Sleeping Giant woke up and look what happened

According to some people, that bombing was allowed to happen so it could be used as an excuse to enter the war.

[Pimander]

According to some people, that bombing was allowed to happen so it could be used as an excuse to enter the war.

On the other hand, what would be left of Europe if Germany and Britain had completely ground each other to dust?  If Germany won, there would have been Russian and Western European terrorists and a Fascist European Union, possibly followed y a nuclear war with USA.

It was allowed to happen as an excuse to bring USA into the war.  Is it a bad thing that it was?

[Amaterasu]

... and a Fascist European Union, ...

Hate to break it to You but the EU's purpose was to eventually add it in under a fascist NWO...along with other economic unions.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

From there, we could either think about sanctions, or very simply have the Chinese President, if he is willing, call in America's Chinese debt.  That would put an end to the country literally overnight, without a shot needing to be fired.

THAT sounds more like the old Petrus

Her Majesty's gubmint will gladly send a few thousand Marines to 'liberate' you guys, like we did before, but you might be jumping from the pan into the fire, as i recall you kicked us out last time

Yes the foreign debt can halt this scary machine overnight, but it will mean widespread misery as well...
What you need to do is halve your enrgy usage, while at the same time switch to other sources.
The CFR knew way back then that the US will be heavily dependant on oil, and would ned to fight, yes & even invade other countries, to get it.
They knew it back then, & they let it happen. Why? vested interests of course.

If you guys could just shed those leeches on your backs, get truly independent & free, you would be one step closer to that utopia the founders had in mind.

Yes, you might still be able to speak your mind on the Internet; but I think that is precisely because the government is very shrewd about knowing which rights to leave to the people, that allow said people to think that they are still free, while at the same time, not really harming said government.

Yes, they have got that down to a fine art here in Europe, sneaky bar-stewards.
But we are also a sleeping giant that will soon awake, once the chaos in the US happens here as well...

Good cops, very rare & worth their weight in gold when the brown stuff hapens
The vets are important too they won't just sit there & take it.

Over here we are not allowed guns, so it will be pitchforks, big sticks & fisticuffs, like the middle ages
Much more civilised, IMHO, not a drone in sight

Go for it, our cousins across the pond

[ArMaP]

It was allowed to happen as an excuse to bring USA into the war.  Is it a bad thing that it was?

I didn't say it was a bad thing, but it wasn't really a case of "the Sleeping Giant waking up".

[ArMaP]

Hate to break it to You but the EU's purpose was to eventually add it in under a fascist NWO...along with other economic unions.

And I suppose they are also hiding the free energy. 

[Amaterasu]

And I suppose they are also hiding the free energy. 

Yes.  And have been avidly doing so.  If *I* was a gazillionaire, with the power to have My bidding done by virtue of those gazillions, I would be protecting the hell out of the perception that the system that supports those gazillions remained in place.  Wouldn't You?

Believe Me, the "elite" know full well the intimate relationship money and energy have, and free energy for all means no need for the system supporting the gazillions.  So, not only do They hide free energy, since They're psychopaths, too, They will do ANYTHING to keep Their place at the top of the heap.

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Sounds like you are turning into an advicate for obama care.

I will tell you what has happened to my insurance because of it. First my weekly payment will double next year. I think I have pretty good insurance. Currently for a family of four I only pay 37$ per weekfor an 80 /20 coverage. It is going up to 73$ per week with a 70/30 coverage with a higher deductable plus co pay.

The real kicker is my co has started a "wellness clinic" If I do not give them my medical history and go down and take there test it will jump to 277$ per month to keep insurance with the co.

Does this bring alarms to anyone besides me?

I will gather my thoughts and reply later to the OP

sorry fory getting off topic
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[robomont]

wellness clinic.lol.
just more big insurance corp.trying to manage your life.
bow to the paycheck.selling ones soul.imho.

how to end the imperialism ?
ive known for years now that this is a resources war.china is already in africa.built an interstate highway through africa just to get at its resources.china is using peaceful means while the usa uses africon.
as far as im concerned i hope gov is shut down.my state texas can cover its own bills and would pick up the social programs easily.
plus we could guard our southern border in a real way.i think we should only elect tea partiers.plus devaluation and collapse of the dollar would bring these poweful to their knees.

[deuem]

talker who complain but do nothing

This is me for the moment.....Little on the complain, I could help the Locals pick out good spots to sieze when the default come through.Just the simple idea that the fed is in power is enough. If they don't kick them out for good, nothing will ever change no matter who does what. They will just make more money from both sides My guess is that it neds to fall and see what happens.

The road will be very shakey but as long as there is a strong state government, we can do without the pests in DC. I also think something will happen very soon that will distract the public. Like another 912 or war somewhere. They always play this card. Hey look here, forget there..If the troops start to ship out in numbers then something will happen at home. Gotto send them away so they can't help at home. Maybe invade Portugal. Yea, That big rock needs redecorating with some drome hits. Get it out of the way to open the med for more oil traffic.

Durring war the Pres has more power.....

[zorgon]

According to some people, that bombing was allowed to happen so it could be used as an excuse to enter the war.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." Admiral Isoroku ...

[burntheships]

Does this bring alarms to anyone besides me?

Yes, me for one. The implications for this new TAX are far reaching,
certain that we dont know everything yet. However, the facts
are weighing in, looking like this is a direct hit to our medical
history being available to the IRS, CISS (LE aka Law Enforcement),
Fusion Centers, etc. It is a can of worms, I suppose ineveitable
but nonetheless very unpleasant, and unconstitutional.

Not to mention that reports are flowing in for those that have
to provide credit reports to finish the deal, and those who
have poor credit will pay more, for insurance?

Obamacare is like finding a veteran on the roadside wounded
by war, robbed of his savings by rich bankers, then take him
and break his arms, legs and knees....all the while reasoning
that this is for the better, as he was out of commission anyways.

Yeah, call me a skeptic, this ACA was designed to break the
back of private practice.

[zorgon]

Sounds like you are turning into an advicate for obama care.

No but...

...since I have no health care at all right now, and I need to see a doctor about several pre existing conditions. I am going to see where it goes before shooting it down

One thing is certain... what you hear on the internet and what the reality is are usually far apart and the truth is generally somewhere in the middle.

We will be contacting the Nevada office next week to see exactly where it stands for us personally and I will report back   They are saying in Nevada that if registered by Dec 15th I can go get a doctor by Jan 01 2014

So far best as I can calculate our max would be 1600.00 for the year, but will wait to see if that takes into account other matters.

I will tell you what has happened to my insurance because of it. First my weekly payment will double next year. I think I have pretty good insurance. Currently for a family of four I only pay 37$ per weekfor an 80 /20 coverage. It is going up to 73$ per week with a 70/30 coverage with a higher deductable plus co pay.

The real kicker is my co has started a "wellness clinic" If I do not give them my medical history and go down and take there test it will jump to 277$ per month to keep insurance with the co.

Does this bring alarms to anyone besides me?

$37 a week for 4 is unbelievable... 

But I would wait and see where all this goes before hitting the panic button.  The biggest thing that will happen at the beginning is panic...  The existing companies are not supposed to be able to jack up rates.

Its a mess at best... but SOMETHING has to happen.

The way I look at it right now we have NOTHING... so I would be a fool to not pay attention and see where this all leads.

I doubt they will toss anyone in jail for not paying fines   In fact they already said they would wave fines for those who cannot pay...

Back when I was working for the Union doing convention work we had great coverage. But that didn't come out of our paycheck, but rather the contractor had to pay it on TOP of our pay... The plan is supposed to work the same for big corporations...  will have to wait and see.  If that is true, then my wife and daughter will get coverage that way and I am 3 years away from Medicare

What is going to cause issues is the amount of money that the Feds will be forking over to cover the rest (my share $1600... theirs $14,000)  But then they lose TRILLIONS every year so they have lots of cash

Wait and see... that is about all we can do until they settle down

[zorgon]

Yeah, call me a skeptic, this ACA was designed to break the
back of private practice.

Obama may be Evil but private practice has been gouging the system for a long time

Have a foot doctor down the street.  When I had Union coverage the charge for wrapping my legs was $230.00 per leg... wrap and bandage extra $20.00 co-pay

When I went in last week to have it done because of open ulcers... I was expecting a big bill... Charge for paying CASH was.... $66.00 for BOTH legs including bandage and wrap... $40.00 for doing just one.

[zorgon]

sorry fory getting off topic

No worries  I will move these posts to the Obamacare thread