The USA are now openly imperialists: What can you do about it?

[Pimander]

You are imperialists America.  What you going to do about it?



In an address to the United Nations General Assembly, President Obama openly embraced an aggressive military doctrine backed by previous administrations on using armed force beyond the international norm of self-defence. Obama told the world that the United States is prepared to use its military to defend what he called "our core interests" in the Middle East: U.S. access to oil. "[Obama] basically came out and said the U.S. is an imperialist nation and we're going to do whatever we need to do to conquer areas [and] take resources from people around the world," says independent journalist Jeremy Scahill. "It's a really naked declaration of imperialism ... When we look back at Obama's legacy, this is going to have been a very significant period in U.S. history where the ideals of very radical right-wing forces were solidified. President Obama has been a forceful, fierce defender of empire."

SOURCE: http://www.democracynow.org/2013/9/25/the_empire_president_jeremy_scahill_on



Do the American members care?  How do the foreign members feel about this.  What can Americans and the rest of us do about it?

I really want to hear some practical solutions folks.  What could we - the people - do about tackling imperialism?  Do you really want to get rid of the crooks who run your country or are you all talker who complain but do nothing?

[Amaterasu]

I have suggestions - and I am offering them to any who will listen.

What do YOU suggest We do?

[Pimander]

I have suggestions - and I am offering them to any who will listen.

What do YOU suggest We do?

You're the only person who has already answered this to some extent for me and I have some things I'd like to discuss with you.  I will chime in later with those views.  I want to hear what other members think first.  Especially what the American members think.

Does it not occur to the US members that all the enormous amounts of money spent on, "protecting citizens form terrorists," would not be needed were it not for these aggressive policies?

Does the lack of action from US citizens make them a legitimate target for foreigners who suffer at the hands of their aggressive imperialist rulers?

[zorgon]

What do YOU suggest We do?

Support your local Sheriffs...

Sheriff Threatens Feds With SWAT Team



U.S. Sheriffs Rise Up Against Federal Government: Sheriff Threatens Feds With SWAT Team ~ Grass Roots Take Charge!

[petrus4]

Do the American members care?  How do the foreign members feel about this.  what can Americans and the rest of us do about it?

I really want to hear some practical solutions folks.  What could we - the people - do about tackling imperialism?

How do I feel about it?  Bitter, cynical, and not surprised.  I've been watching the legless, mutilated corpse of the Jeffersonian Republic dragging itself along the ground, for 20 years now.  It desperately needs to be put out of its' misery; but unfortunately, nobody has either the ability or the will.

I can think of a couple of possible suggestions for starting to restrain the American government; however, they are primarily economic.  This is not a government that is going to be brought down via force of arms; either in foreign terms, or domestic.

The first, and most pressing issue, is to get the world off the petro-dollar.  America's entire economy is built out of thin air at this point; massive debt, which is only sustained on the promise of more oil and blood money.  The country hasn't had real (civilian, at least) manufacturing infrastructure since probably the early 90s; what wealth it has, comes from oil and redevelopment contracts in the Middle East.  Virtually every American flag is stitched with the words, "Made in China," and that is deeply symbolic.

Once we have a new reserve currency, however, the beast will start to become a lot more manageable, as its' capacity to continue to maintain and extend its' giant military will be greatly curtailed.

From there, we could either think about sanctions, or very simply have the Chinese President, if he is willing, call in America's Chinese debt.  That would put an end to the country literally overnight, without a shot needing to be fired.

In military terms, America is still going to be a problem for the foreseeable future, due to both its' nuclear assets and air power, if nothing else; but in purely infantry terms, the country is weakening.  The military death rate is higher from suicide at this point, than from active combat.  My generation are probably the softest in human history.  They do not have anything remotely resembling the stomach for war; and in the case of the American military, they have already been pushed past the point of endurance. 

From that point of view, it might be a good thing if the government actually did invade Iran or Syria; if it's focus could be kept on a single point for long enough, the military might finally bleed itself out, and we could eventually see a collapse.

As far as actually getting rid of the government is concerned, there is no solution.  The government is dug in very securely in domestic terms, at this point.  Even if it was able to gain political critical mass, everyone involved would very rapidly be exterminated, and the three letter agencies have become very effective at infiltrating any civilian organisation, in order to prevent a critical mass from occurring.  Waco marked the closing of the window of opportunity, for a successful second American revolution; and the specific purpose of the Department of Homeland Security, is counter-revolutionary.

The only real hope for America now, is for the disease to be allowed to run its' course.  Fascism has a lifecycle, as I have written here many, many times before.  Obama needs to open the camps.  At the moment, the American population is still full of government apologists and Good Germans; people who crave "protection," from the threats and bogeymen that the government itself has created.  So even if there was going to be a civil war, those wanting positive change, would first have to beat the collaborators into submission, before they could even start to focus on the government.

I want the camps to open, because the only thing that is going to awaken the government quislings, is for them to finally get a practical taste, of what fascism really means.  Once that happens, nobody in the population will support the government.  By then, of course, any successful revolt will be completely out of the question, but at least if any of the population somehow manages to survive, the incident will be remembered for the rest of America's history, and the country will finally come to understand exactly why war, fascism, and empire ultimately only end in death for all concerned.

Then you will have a truly positive society.  Then you will have self-management.  Then, finally, you will have freedom; and peace.

[zorgon]

As more people became dissatisfied with federal government controls and land grabs, it was inevitable that local law enforcement would eventually see the bigger picture.

At the northern California fairgrounds of Yreka last month, seven California sheriffs and another from Oregon gathered with a large group of citizens to say that they are finally going to do something about it.

"A giant has been awakened," said Plumas County, Calif. Sheriff Greg Hagwood, "and they didn't count on that," speaking of the federal bureaucracy.

Nevada Sheriff Tony DeMeo Stops Federal Government: Feds Engaging In Illegal Confiscation Of Cattle And Water Rights Of County Property Owner.

Oregon Sheriff Gil Gilbertson Gives Federal Agents The Boot: Feds Have No Jurisdiction!
Dean Wilson, sheriff of Del Norte County (Sacramento), is a great example of this great awakening.

He received the loudest and longest applause  for his candor in confessing past faults after apologizing for not understanding the central government assault and land grab being committed against the people and what he should have been doing about it.

[zorgon]

Nevada Sheriff Tony DeMeo's 'Swat Team' ~ Stops Federal Government: Feds Engaging In Illegal Confiscation Of Cattle And Water Rights Of County Property Owner.

In this 3-part video interview with Tony DeMeo, Sheriff of Nye County, Nevada, he explains that he is a Constitutional Sheriff and that authority for public office holders is derived from the people.  He tells the story about how he used the Constitution as his foundation in the saga of Nye County rancher Wayne Hage's disputes over encroachments by the federal government.  While Wayne Hage's case centered around property rights in federally managed lands, Sheriff Tony DeMeo's example is relevant for everyone to understand the power of local government, the importance of following the Constitution and upholding the Tenth Amendment (states' rights and sovereignty).

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/10/19/nevada-sheriff-tony-demeo-stops-federal-agents-feds-engaging-in-illegal-confiscation-of-cattle-and-water-rights-of-county-property-owner/

[zorgon]

Oregon Sheriff Gil Gilbertson Gives Federal Agents The Boot: Feds Have No Jurisdiction!

In this climate it is utterly unheard of to have any official stand against the federal government. Typically, they stand with them – their hand out for more federal grants – no matter how much the federal government violates the U.S. Constitution and infringes on the public. Thankfully there are those few who take their oaths of office and to the Constitution, with sincerity, and instead they choose to fight for the people; fight for what is true and just. They are people like Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, those who sign up to become oath keepers, former Sheriff Richard Mack and, of course, Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson; whose own fight against a runaway, power-grabbing, forestry service is just the tip of an iceberg Gilbertson is hauling into warmer waters.

With the USFS closing roads on county public lands, enforcement officers overstepping their legal jurisdiction and tens of thousands of acres of the county's public land being usurped through the creation of national forests and monuments for the "protection" of the environment, Gilbertson is taking it on himself to protect the people – the ones often forgotten.

Montgomery County Sheriff's Office To Launch Drone: Texas Sheriff Gains Bird's-Eye View To Keep Check On Crimes By Federal, Domestic, Or Criminal Aliens!

When asked why he has taken up this fight, Sheriff Gilbertson said, "My duty lies in the oath that I took to protect and serve the people of Josephine County, state law and the Constitution, and their [federal government] agencies are infringing on all of the above. It's that simple.

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/10/19/oregon-sheriff-gil-gilbertson-gives-federal-agents-the-boot-feds-have-no-jurisdiction/

[petrus4]

"A giant has been awakened," said Plumas County, Calif. Sheriff Greg Hagwood, "and they didn't count on that," speaking of the federal bureaucracy.

Nevada Sheriff Tony DeMeo Stops Federal Government: Feds Engaging In Illegal Confiscation Of Cattle And Water Rights Of County Property Owner.

Oregon Sheriff Gil Gilbertson Gives Federal Agents The Boot: Feds Have No Jurisdiction!
Dean Wilson, sheriff of Del Norte County (Sacramento), is a great example of this great awakening.

This is, perhaps, encouraging.  We'll see.

[Pimander]

Petrus, I understand how you see America as part of the problem.  I see America (and Britain, Japan and Western Europe) as part of the problem.  In my opinion though, your view is not balanced.

Britain, USA and a few other nations do have personal freedoms and still have parliaments where it is, in theory at least, possible to take office.  Yes, those freedoms are often wrongly taken away "in defence of democracy" or "to protect citizens from terror".  However, in many countries I'd be locked up for typing and publishing what I am here.

How many countries are you likely to see local sheriffs standing up to their government.  USA.  France.  Britain in the form of Labour Unions.  Where else?  Not many places.

The solution has to take advantage of those places where the right to act in opposition to a demented regiment and system is enshrined in law or in constitution.  I don't know what the laws are in Australia on these matters but in the UK and USA there is hope.


Zorgon, I'm glad that the folks there are standing up to the bullies who run the country.  Will it be enough, or is there more we can do?  I think there is.

[zorgon]

Zorgon, I'm glad that the folks there are standing up to the bullies who run the country.  Will it be enough, or is there more we can do?  I think there is.

yes it will be enough...

You are forgetting the main issue...

The majority of people are not worried about it yet. We are at the top of the crap because we are a conspiracy site and actively looking for stuff like this...

But look around the web... most of the stuff posted is FALSE NEWS and FEAR MONGERING that the average public is just not paying attention to.

When things get worse, "We the People..." will rise. Gun sales and permits in the USA are at record levels... the American people are 'arming up'

Don't forget that during the American Revolution only 20 PERCENT took up arms to win the day

The fact that the local Sheriffs are PUBLICLY stating they will support the Constitution is a RALLY point for many (Jack Arneson for one )

It means there is someone with the power to protect that you can count on.

Wait till the Military steps up to the plate. There are MILLIONS of Vets and active duty military that won't stay silent if push comes to shove.....

But ya know... with all the hype about Obamacare for example... I have been looking at it carefully and it doesn't look that bad... For a MAXIMUM of $1,608.45 I will be able to get medical coverage that covers 90% of the expenses for ONE YEAR for my family of 3... and since large corporations will be forced to pay on behalf of employees it may even be less when the dust settles...

So if you take the time to look at things without the noise... sometimes you see that its not all gloom and doom

[zorgon]

Also remember WWII

The USA fought HARD to stay out of it beyond moral and equipment support...


But when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor... the Sleeping Giant woke up and look what happened

[petrus4]

Britain, USA and a few other nations do have personal freedoms and still have parliaments where it is, in theory at least, possible to take office.  Yes, those freedoms are often wrongly taken away "in defence of democracy" or "to protect citizens from terror".  However, in many countries I'd be locked up for typing and publishing what I am here.

Granted.  If the American government was truly out of control at this point, I probably already would have experienced special rendition for some of what I've written online.  They can't, however, accuse me of trying to encourage their public to revolt, because I don't.  I actively discourage Americans from trying to rebel against the government at this point, because I know what would happen to them if they tried.

The solution has to take advantage of those places where the right to act in opposition to a demented regiment and system is enshrined in law or in constitution.  I don't know what the laws are in Australia on these matters but in the UK and USA there is hope.

Australia does not matter, and that is why I have not spent two decades focusing on its' politics.  Australia is also, at this point, very largely an American client state; which further means that even if I was directly concerned about Australia's internal political problems, (which I am not) then focusing on America would still be the more appropriate place to put my attention. 

Australia has less practical independence from America, however, than most other countries in the world that I have seen.  It might be unofficial, but if there is a 51st state, we pretty much are it.

I will agree with you, that it of course is much more desirable to see a peaceful and democratic solution to this mess.  Of course it is.  The question, however, is whether or not the government will allow it, and I do not believe that it will.  Yes, you might still be able to speak your mind on the Internet; but I think that is precisely because the government is very shrewd about knowing which rights to leave to the people, that allow said people to think that they are still free, while at the same time, not really harming said government.

Obama does not want to be seen as a dictator.  He does not want his government to be compared with the Nazis.  He wants people to still believe that they are free, and to be able to give his usual utopian speeches and have everyone applaud him.

So you can say whatever you like, and you probably will not lose that.  The government knows that the way to stop speech, is not to prevent its' expression, but simply to make sure that the public are too apathetic, distracted, or selfish, in order to listen.

The real test comes, when you decide to act.  That is when people find out how free they truly are.

[Pimander]

Also remember WWII

The USA fought HARD to stay out of it beyond moral and equipment support...


But when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor... the Sleeping Giant woke up and look what happened

Shoulder to shoulder. Have we ever let you guys down since that day?

[ArMaP]

When things get worse, "We the People..." will rise. Gun sales and permits in the USA are at record levels... the American people are 'arming up'

The problem is that there is a good probability of those guns, if used by "the people", end up being used against other members of "the people".

First they need to understand that they are all on the same side, and that's where I see the biggest problems.