Strange Prediction (Again)

[Eighthman]

I'm ignoring your point because I don't comprehend it, nor understand why it's relevant.

There's something out there that has power and intelligence.  It is interested in us, in some odd way. Disclosure is disclosure,  whether other planets, dimensions, inner earth or whatever.

It ends up as We are not alone and that's a big change.

[Ellirium113]

I don't see the link with black projects and space colonisation.  I'd be interested if you have some information on that.

Don't know about colonization but from what I've been looking at Jay Weidner's analysis seems to correlate very well and there is a lot of info out there to back it.

Disclosure: Aryans, Mars
and the End of Days
An interview with Jay Weidner
Part 2

Jay: O.K. What I'm about to say is going to sound very controversial, but I'll give you a quick breakdown of what's probably going on.

Lance: O.K. Good, good.

Jay: The powers that be are ruled by an inner group, and we will have a video series out next year called "The Sacred Geometry of Time", with Robert Lawlor, which is going to explain this in a much deeper way.

But this group apparently knows all of the knowledge of the past, maybe as far back as several hundred thousand years. And they live here, on Earth; and they have lived here for a long time. But they've lived separately; until about 6, 000 years ago, they lived separately from us - some place on Earth, in a very nice place.

But, about 6, 000 years ago, the first of many alarms went off. And these alarms have to do with the advance of what we call the end of the Kali Yuga.

Now, the beginning of the Kali Yuga was right near the beginning of the Mayan calendar, 3114 B.C. And it was the beginning of cities and writing and kingships and slavery and women as chattel and animal husbandry and farming and wars and walled cities and writing and science.

And all those things actually began at the beginning of the Kali Yuga - not because we were getting better, but because we were getting worse.

But not only because we were getting worse but because there was something going on: the reason those things came into being is because this group - that are human, but are different - went into action, because the beginning of the Kali Yuga, 6, 000 years ago, the beginning of the Mayan calendar, was a signal.

A signal in a very long, long, long calendar - not 6, 000 years, but like 60, 000 years. And it said that the end of this age was going to come to an end, and the prophecy said that the sun would explode into gigantic solar flares, which would fry everything on Earth and cause huge Earth changes here on the planet.

And this group knew all of this, because they had been through it before and they kept accurate records. So they went into action; and they took a lovely planet, filled with tribes of hunter-gatherers, and they transformed it into civilization.

And they transformed it into civilization so that they could get out of here before the coronal-mass ejections hit. And that is what has been going on for over 5, 000, almost 6, 000, years.

It is a central organizing principle, decided and governed by a group that we don't even know who they really are, for purposes which until recently have remained completely hidden and secret.

And, they promised the managers that they're leaving behind, that they can have the underground shelters and everything; but I don't think that that's really going to help, because I just can't see how that could survive what is foretold.

And the secret space program and all of these things - flying saucers, and bases on the moon, and the Nazis and Joseph Farrell's great book on the alchemy that the Nazis were doing - this is all part of this group developing the technology for what I call "Project GOOD", which stands for "Get Out Of Dodge". And they're getting' out of Dodge, baby; and they're almost out.

And, if you follow the work of Ed Grimsley - I don't know if you know who he is. He has these night-vision goggles, and he goes out at night and he videotapes these craft that you can't see with your eyes. You can type him in on Google. On YouTube, they've got a few astounding videos that he's taken of the gigantic craft.

And that's the story. And I figure I might as well get it out now, because you never know when it's going to be too late.

Lance: Absolutely. Now, of course, some people attach names to these unknowns. And I have read some accounts that these are some kind of Anunnaki/Atlantean lines, and then of course you have some kind of illuminati bloodlines flowing in there. But nobody really seems to know who they are, except that they're not -

Jay: Well, yeah, actually, we do. Yeah, well, they are the - Anunnaki is one of the words that they have. The Nephilim is another that they have.

These are words created by different cultures - the Hebrews, the Babylonians, the Sumerians, the Persians - to describe these people. OK? But their real name is very easy, because it describes where they go when they get out of Dodge. They're called the Aryans.

"Aryans" is just another word for "Martians", because Aries is Mars. They escape - at the end of the last Kali Yuga - I think, at the end of every Kali Yuga - the same cycle occurs every time; it may even be why there is a Kali Yuga.

They come to Earth after the Earth is healed from the gigantic coronal-mass ejections which occur; and they come back in their ships, and they repopulate the Earth. They may even take genetic strains with them, which is what the genome project is; they may take all the seeds with them, which is what the seed project is.

And they take it there; and they bury themselves under, because Mars is a pretty inhospitable place; and they wait for the Earth to recover. And they came back 60, 000 years ago, and they thought that the Earth had pretty much been wiped out. But a few groups had survived.

Native Americans had survived, by being in caves; and they tell those stories, about how hot - it was so hot that you stuck a stick out the cave opening and it lit on fire. The Chinese survived - somebody - one of those Asian groups must have survived, obviously. And some of the African survived.

So, when the Aryans landed, they kept to themselves. But they did have ships, and they went around; and they had an order that they couldn't have any sex with the remnants that were left behind. They could help them, teach them how to read and write and how to farm and all these other things; but they couldn't have sex with them.

But those Earth women and the way they move: they just couldn't resist.

So these are humans, but they went to Mars for a long time; and they lost the pigment in their skin, they lost the color in their hair, their eyes turned blue or green or hazel. They were tremendously big, because of the low gravity on Mars, when they landed here. Very advanced, super advanced - and they've been here for a very, very long time.

And they're leaving. They're going. They're leaving now. There are colonies - I know this sounds completely out of my mind, but I have proof for all this. There's colonies up on Mars; just type in "Hale Crater civilization" on Google, and read Skipper's work - Joseph Skipper's great work on the colony there, up in Hale Crater.

This is what's going on. This is the long and short of it. And, yeah, they live here; they actually lived once in Norway. That's where they lived, because they liked the coolness; they couldn't get used to the heat. And that spiral that exploded over Norway when Barack Obama was going to get his Peace Prize in Norway - yeah, well, that's their weaponry.

Here's the problem Obama faces. OK? These guys are leaving. They're getting out of here because they think that the coronal-mass ejections are coming. Alright? They're leaving, and they don't care who runs the United States anymore. They did up until last year. Now they don't care anymore.

And so Obama's7 sitting here, and he's got the remnants of their technology. He's got the stuff sitting around; right? And they're probably busily back-engineering the Aryan technologies; OK? And this is what's going on in Argentina and Chile, where they're raiding the tunnel systems.

This is the new world order; these are the managers that have been left behind. The new world order is not the Aryans; the new world order are the Aryans' left-behind managers.

Lance: Right; that would make sense.

Jay: Yeah. The Aryans think of themselves as the 'People of the Red', or 'the People from the Red Planet'. And, when Bauer changed his name to "Rothschild", which means "red shield", he was really signifying that he was the shield for this thing, this project, which moved into high gear at the beginning of the industrial age.

And everyone's thinking that they're deforesting the planet, raping the mountainsides, enslaving people, doing all this stuff, just because there's something that has gone out of control; but it isn't.

It's all the underpinnings of a huge, secret project to develop, quickly, colonies and ships and moving gigantic amounts of goods and services across the gap between here and Mars.

And that's the truth right there.

And a lot of people are going to know this pretty soon; I'm not the only one that knows what's going on here. This is all written down, by the way, in ancient texts from India, all of this.

Lance: Oh yes, that's right. You briefly touched upon that the last time, I think.

Jay: Yes, this is all ancient texts, and these texts were from the Aryans and they told their story.

Lance: If they had the ability to go back and forth to Mars and further, I'm sure, isn't coronal mass ejection going to destroy Mars as well?

Jay: No, because they're going underground. First off, it will hit Mars but it won't be anything like what happens here.

Secondly, the problem with the coronal mass ejection - which I have to say, the film "2012" did a pretty good job of evoking - is that it is a huge electromagnetic blast which has a commensurate effect on the core of the Earth, which is heavily electromagnetic. So it causes a core flip.

OK, here's how it works. The poles of the sun rotate every 37 days. The equator of the sun would also rotate every 37 days, except that the angular momentum of the planets at the equator of the Solar System causes it to slow down, so it only rotates every 26 days, instead of 37.

Every 87 days, there is a crossing over of the magnetic field, as the 26 catches up to the 37 again. You follow me?

Every 87 days, there's a small electromagnetic crossing, which encases the sun in a tightly woven electromagnetic shell. After about 12-13, 000 years of this nonsense, the entire sun is bound in a huge receding-quickly magnetic field, which has a commensurate effect on the Earth's electromagnetic field, which also begins receding.

This is all happening right now with the loss of the sun spots and the Earth's magnetic field receding. It's a 13, 000 year cycle that we are right on the edge of and when the sun finally has to right itself, i.e., move its rotational fields back into sync again, which it has to do, there will be a huge electromagnetic storm which will go out way beyond the Earth.

It will be carrying with it gigantic coronal mass ejections, which will ignite the forests of the Earth and boil the oceans.

If you're underground, on Mars, well you have a pretty good chance of making it. There's no electromagnetic fields on Mars. There's no tectonic plates. Nothing's going to be spinning around and you just wait it out.

You just wait it out and maybe after a few hundred years, I don't know how long, when the forests grow back and the animal life comes back, then you mount your expeditions and you go back.

So we're building not only the expeditions that are going there, but we've been building for the last three hundred years the expeditions that are going to take them back here, too. Yeah, that's what's going on.

It recurs all the time. The Vedic texts and the Mahabharata, this is what they're discussing, including the gigantic ships, or arks, as they call them.

I want to make one thing clear. I'm not saying white people are Aryans. I'm saying that white people are the bastard children of Aryans and Earth people. You understand? They do not look like us at all. They're chalk-white. They're freakish-looking.

They're where the vampire myths come from because they can only come to the surface of the Earth at night. Their skin is so translucent that you can see the capillary system, so they look blue in certain kinds of light.

Lance: You know, there was a movie that was a remake of "War of the Worlds" and I thought to myself, "Well isn't this strange, for them to make this kind of movie where they're already underground, and those laser beams." Very prescient.

Jay: Spielberg has to know. When I saw that, I just went, "My God, he has to know." He has to know that they've been here the whole time and they are underground. That's exactly where they are.

And by the way, these other things that we see - and I'm not saying there are not other aliens, there could be; I'm not even going to argue that - but some of the other things that we've been seeing are their robotic creations.

They've been here, these robotic creations, for a long time. I don't know if they're robotic or genetic, I can't tell. Sometimes they're robotic, sometimes they're genetic.

Here's the thing Obama has to ask himself. He knows that these guys are leaving. He knows there's a disaster coming of some kind. They shoot a hyper-dimensional weapon over Norway while he's picking up the Peace prize and everybody's screaming and yelling, "Why does Obama get the Peace Prize, he hasn't done a damn thing."

I'm going to tell you why Obama gets the Peace Prize. He gets the Peace Prize if he doesn't shoot at them while they're leaving. Here's the problem that he faces, though, and this is a serious problem.

You're the Aryans and you're back on Mars waiting for the coronal mass ejection. You got the hatches buttoned down, everything, right? What is to prevent the elites that you've left behind from back-engineering the craft, that you've left behind - the ship - and coming after you and stealing your place? I know that sounds crazy -

Lance: No, to me it doesn't.

Jay: - and I'll tell you what. He's worried that they're going to attack us, and that's what that thing in Norway was about. These people are saying that these are benevolent aliens and stuff. You haven't read your history. The Aryans stormed down, they enslaved all of India, they created the caste system.

Lance: Every war has been created indirectly by this influence, hasn't it?

Jay: Absolutely. If you read Andrew Collins' book "From the Ashes of Angels," it's a great book. He talks about the history of these babies, these magical babies that are born after the Aryans and Earth women have had sex.. These babies are white and they have white hair and chalk-white skin, and some tribes were fearful of these children and they killed them.

But other tribes thought that these children were exalted beings and they raised them up into exaltedness in the tribe. These beings frequently had red hair; red hair because of the overabundance of iron oxide in the air on Mars causing red hair.

So they exalted these beings and these were the European tribes who exalted these beings. Read his books, they're very interesting.

Lance: I will, I'll check that out for sure.

Jay: On the other hand Africans have a history of killing albino children right when they're born. I don't know if you know that. They're considered wicked.

Tthey think that these children, the offspring of the Aryans, were wicked or there was something bad about them. This is a long tradition where they would get rid of these angel-demon children.

So the Aryan influences are more prevalent among the European-stock cultures and so they became the vehicles of the real Aryans, which have nothing to do with white people at all, actually, except for leaving behind some genetic trace..

And so that's what's been going on. Skull and Bones is part of this group. Michael Tsarian has traced a lot of these German groups back. The German groups are the key. Once you start back engineering the German groups, you can find everything.

The Saturnian Society, Aleister Crowley, all of the UFO stuff from South America. All this stuff is all intertwined into a cohesive story that makes total sense and gets rid of a lot of the gobbledygook.

But it's backed up and bolstered by very, very serious ancient texts, Purana texts and Vedic texts, which tell the whole story very clearly.

Lance: Huh! Well, how does that tie into the idea that there are different ages? In other words, do we ever get out from under the prison bars of some kind of highly advanced extraterrestrial civilization that controls us without our knowing? Isn't there supposed to be a Golden Age after the Iron Age?

Jay: Well, it is, and here's the thing. This is really the crux of the matter. What happens is is that through the long cycle of the Yugas, which is really called a Kulpa - which is all of the cycles together - there are so many deaths.

And as you approach the Bronze Age and the Kali Yuga, there are more and more deaths of violent nature.

And it takes thousands and thousands of years for bones to completely vanish. The Earth becomes haunted by an inescapable presence - called the 'Ka' in Egypt, which is a residual that's left behind. And the only way that you can have a Golden Age is for all of the Ka to be burned away so that the Earth is completely renewed.

And unfortunately these guys, these Aryans, broke the rules. They didn't want to die in the last catastrophe, which they had to do. That was part of the deal. The Earth can only be renewed if all of the Ka goes. And they escaped, and they went away.

And they kept all of the knowledge that had been gathered from the previous Kulpa, which we were also supposed to lose.

The only way for the Golden Age to actually incarnate is for the earth start out in a pristine state again. And they broke the rules.

And this is why Tsarion's work is so good because these guys broke the rules, and now we're just their slaves. Now racism has come into it. Whereas before there was no racism. Now there's racism. The Aryans think that the Earth peoples are too stupid, that the Earth peoples are too dumb.

And it's not dumb or stupid. They never had the advanced technology carried over from the Dark Age. . And this is the problem. So there has to be a cleansing of the earth so that it can be renewed. And they're not allowing that to happen.

And they keep bringing back the same genetic strains over and over when actually the Earth is constantly rolling the dice and searching for new genetic strains that it can use to embrace consciousness. The Aryans keep bringing back all the old genetic structures. Did you know that corn is a hybrid?

Lance: Yeah.

Jay: Corn is a hybrid. When they discovered corn, even to this day, it is a hybrid. Somebody had to have messed with it a long time ago.

Lance: Now it's all genetically modified.

Jay: Well, it is. And again you have to ask yourself why that's being allowed and why all the forests are being cut down and why...

Lance: Well, when what are the chemtrails and HARP?

Jay: Yeah. Those are to keep us away from seeing what is going on behind our backs, which is a giant evacuation. And they don't care about us anymore.

Lance: Wow! It seems like there ought to be some kind of higher authority that - let's just call it The Cosmic Patrol - that oversees what's fair and what's not fair. In other words, aren't there some kinds of higher more advanced ETs or civilizations or angelic realms or whatever that can put things straight?

Jay: We know as much as we know, and that's all we know. The Vedic texts say that the divas, which have been destroyed through this current Kali Yuga according to the text, have gone back to the Godhead.

They left thousands of years ago to travel back to the Godhead to tell the Godhead that the evil Archons, who are the Aryans, by the way, have taken over the entire planet and that they needed help because the divas have been driven off the planet. The divas, of course, are the nature spirits.

And as Tolkien shows us very clearly in the Lord of the Rings, Sauron and Sauraman are destroying nature to fuel and finance some mysterious project. And if you go back and look and see in history who Sauron is, it's obvious that Tolkien talking about Sargon. Sargon was the first real king of the Kali Yuga in Mesopotamia.

He started calendars. He started clocks. He started the workday. He started everything, and he was an Aryan. And so you can see that there's this regimented thing that starts entering in and removes us from the natural state of a highly advanced hunter/gatherer, which is really what human beings are.

And that's our natural state - very close to the Earth, no agriculture, all fresh foods, a lot of hunting, and a lot of gathering. Very spiritual though. Not a grunting life, but a wonderful beautiful life filled with meditation and a much higher standard of living, which was what was going on before the Aryans emerged.

http://www.jayweidner.com/Disclosure2.html

Much of this has been echoed by others where individual research has crossed paths due to correlations. Richard Dolan + Joseph P. Farrell would be 2 such examples.

THE BREAKAWAY CIVILIZATION: RICHARD DOLAN ON RED ICE CREATIONS
April 6, 2011 By Joseph P. Farrell

My friends at Red Ice Creations radio recently interviewed Richard Dolan, a Ufologist and ET proponent whose research I have a great deal of respect for. The interview is here:

Richard Dolan on the Breakaway Civilization on Red Ice Creations

I find Dolan's reasoning compelling, namely, that the very size of classified black budgets, coupled with the prolonged period or their existence and utilization to carry out exotic research, has given rise to a "breakaway" civilization of people with access to exotic technologies, and even to a group of people with a vastly different world view.

This view is essentially the same as the view I have been arguing with respect to the postwar Nazi International and their presumed continuance of exotic research in a variety of host countries. Dolan's particular perspective is that a similiar occurrence happened in the USA after World War Two and beginning in earnest in the 1950s. Like me, Dolan believes that the amount of time, money, and manpower devoted to such research could very conceivably have led to that breakaway civilization establishing more or less a permanent presence in outer space.

This raises a disturbing possibility that others and I have broached on various interviews, namely, that there may be more than one such breakaway civilization. If Dolan is right, there is one that we may call, for want of a better term, the Anglo-American Intelligence-Military complex. And if I am right, there is at least one other that we may call the Nazi or Fascist International. Assuming both to be in more or less continual existence, and even assuming some sort of detente once existed between them, then it is possible these two (and possibly more) groups are already in covert conflict in space.

The concept of a breakaway civilization as Dolan has outlined the case here is a fascinating one, and deserves the kind of thought and detailed analysis he brings to it.

http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/04/the-breakaway-civilization-richard-dolan-on-red-ice-creations/

There is a link between the Golden Dawn and Scientology if you want more on that....

I am aware of it but would appreciate the info none the less as there is always something to learn. 

[zorgon]

We know that UFOs exist but that IS NOT EVIDENCE THEY ARE ETs, it just means they exist.

Well there is the problem...

Yes UFO's exist... but UFO's includes anything from clouds to weather balloons, photo artifacts, plasma critters, misidentifications, hoaxes, black op crafts etc etc.


Before looking for ET's you have to sort out which ones are LIKELY to be spacecraft...  That will be what maybe 10% of 'possible maybes' from the list of sightings...

Now how many of all the sightings of UFO's posted on Pegasus and the Livingmoon over the past 7 years fall into the 10% of 'possible maybe spacecraft' category?

Anyone have a number?

[Amaterasu]

There's more to come soon.  I have a thread planned about similar issues including the deliberate perpetual cultivation of the completely untrue idea that disclosure, by the US government, that UFOs are ETs is imminent.  There won't be disclosure of that and the situation has negative consequences.

God, Jesus, ET or the returning heir to the throne of Israel will not be coming to save you.  EVER.  The cultivation of this idea is easy to perpetuate because they are all linked to belief systems that people have without recourse to facts of any kind.  Many will never let go of these beliefs and are oblivious to the fact that people have been waiting for more than 2000 years and have died waiting.  If you are waiting then you will die waiting for it too.

The perpetuation of this idea is in the interests of peope in power who know they are likely to stay there as long as a significant proportion of the population believe the whole mess will be sorted out anyway by ET, Jesus, God, the returning King or various other Messiah like figures.  These people are unlikely to help themselves while they wait and those in power know it.

Hello. WAKE UP

YES!  They propagandize this idea that (ET, God, Jesus, Cosmic Muffin, Hairy Thunderer, whatever) will be here "SOON" to SAVE YOU!  Don't do anything yet...  Just wait.

Screw that, I say.

[Amaterasu]

All things are possible; just don't waste your energy focusing on these things and worrying about them...That is wasting your energy and empowering them...


rant over...



seeker

What is the difference between sizing up the tiger and fearing it?  There are good reasons discuss what Humanity is up against here on this planet, having nothing to do with feeding Them.  [smile]

[Eighthman]

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/update-top-nuke-commanders-terminated-by-obama-following-missing-nuclear-warheads-report

This report seems credible based on other sources in the mainstream.

Something very scary and weird is going on.  This idea that ET's ( or whatever they are) are interfering with nukes may not be a little thing.  I continue to believe that the persistence of our world is a miracle - we should have destroyed ourselves tens if not hundreds of times over.  We are still here for some reason.......

Is someone or something stopping the Cabal from starting a world war?

[zorgon]

What is the difference between sizing up the tiger and fearing it?

Sizing up a situation to take action is NOT the same as fearing the Tiger, in fact they are opposites...

But presenting obviously false or heavily biased news reports as FACT to further an agenda of creating fear... does not help the situation.

In fact it makes it worse. It is the same as crying WOLF... instead of people becoming aware, they eventually just turn a blind eye and a deaf ear...  so when a REAl news story comes along, they will just ignore that too.

Focusing on the fear mongers just gives them life. The more likes shares and tweets they get when they present obvious hoaxes and garbage, just pumps them up to make more of it.  And every time you share it, if just ONE person blindly believes it to be true and shares it with his/her friends, then you have a FALSEHOOD becoming viral... while the TRUTH is buried so deep no one cares

[zorgon]

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/update-top-nuke-commanders-terminated-by-obama-following-missing-nuclear-warheads-report

This report seems credible based on other sources in the mainstream.

Well at the bottom of your report it says the source is Infowars - Alex Jones

The only other references I find are all clones of that report...

The only mainstream article I found is this one...

Air Force general in charge of nuclear weapons removed for lack of trust: defense officials

By Jim Miklaszewski and Matthew DeLuca, NBC News
A top general in charge of the U.S. Air Force's arsenal of nuclear ballistic missiles has been relieved of his command due to loss of trust, defense officials told NBC News.
Air Force officials said Maj. Gen. Michael Carey was fired for "personal misbehavior" while on temporary duty at an unspecified location outside his usual command. The officials would not describe the behavior, other than to say that it did not involve any sexual improprieties, drug use, gambling, or criminal conduct.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/11/20922413-air-force-general-in-charge-of-nuclear-weapons-removed-for-lack-of-trust-defense-officials?lite

So where are the " other sources in the mainstream." about the ten nuke commanders Obama fired?

[Amaterasu]

Sizing up a situation to take action is NOT the same as fearing the Tiger, in fact they are opposites...

My point precisely. 

[Eighthman]

As far as I know, the mainstream items are 1) the #2 missile guy got removed recently,  2) today, the #1 missile guy got removed and 3)  Lindsay Graham made a horrifying remark about a possible nuke attack some weeks ago.

I recall that over the past year or so, the Air Force has announced people being removed from missile command for unspecified discipline or readiness issues. Maybe that's unrelated.

The thing that freaked people out was Graham's bizarre comment happening at the same time as Jones's rather specific nuke rumor. 

What does it all mean?  No one can say for sure but if a person already believes that some of our leaders are outright sociopaths who would sacrifice millions for their Neo Con or Zionist goals...........well,  yikes!

Stalin is reputed to have observed that a single death is a tragedy but a million is a statistic.  I truly believe that some people in power think this way.  The fact that they have not succeeded in starting WW3 gives me hope, even though it is a sort of argument from silence.

[Eighthman]

Oh, and one more possibility - I think a case can be made that pressure is intense to create a false flag event that's off the charts - immediately. This makes Graham's remark all the more frightening.

The failure of the UK/USA to start a war with Iran's allies in Syria was a surprise - and a real shock for leading warmakers.  Israel and NeoCons need a war with Iran and can't seem to get it going, however hard they try. The Saudis are part of this, too.

Meanwhile, peace might 'break out' as relations with Iran may be moving towards normalization. The War On Terror is in decline and ordinary Americans are getting restive.  Israel needs war right away because the world is getting close to demanding a nuclear-free Middle East - AND Israel needs the 'fog of war' to permanently end the whole Palestinian issue - by expulsion or worse.

The greater the movement towards peace and the 'later the hour', the more dangerous a false flag attempt could be.  "They" may be thinking about a nuke attack.

This is my estimation of what the true global situation is at present.

[Pimander]

I'm ignoring your point because I don't comprehend it, nor understand why it's relevant.

Seriously?

You opened this thread and asked whether ET could be behind problems with the electrical systems at the NSA.  How can my point that there is no credible evidence that there are ETs regularly visiting Earth not be a valid point?



You proceeded to state that,

Your counter explanations of this mystery are nearly as unbelievable as the idea that aliens did it!

You were nearly right there.  the counter explanation that the problems might be faulty electrical systems were not, "nearly as unbelievable as the aliens did it," at all.  They are infinitely more believable in view of my point which I will repeat again.

You don't have credible evidence that "they" are ETs or even aliens.  All you know (or think you do as it is probably disinformation) is that the NSA have had electrical problems.

If you continue to claim you do not understand my point then I'm surprised you can even type coherent sentences.

[Pimander]

I am aware of {the link between Scientology and The Golden Dawn} but would appreciate the info none the less as there is always something to learn. 

Your wish is my command. 

Scientology and The Golden Dawn

[Eighthman]

I operate on the assumption that, by reason of simply being on this site, that you and others are at least warmly disposed towards ideas of realities external to our civilization, involving higher intelligences or powers that are not human. 

If your opinions involve complete or automatic skepticism about these ideas, as is the case on most of the internet, it surprises me that you are here but at least I can understand it.  If your views are otherwise, then you will need to explain what they are as the matter is not obvious to me.

[Pimander]

I operate on the assumption that, by reason of simply being on this site, that you and others are at least warmly disposed towards ideas of realities external to our civilization, involving higher intelligences or powers that are not human. 

Yes.  That does not invalidate my point that you have no credible evidence that "they" are ET.

You know I already said many times that something is going on but it does not appear to be ET.  The way you persistently try to deflect from my point is fascinating.

You just can't handle the fact that someone is trying to demonstrate that the whole alternative scene should not just be a simple "is it ET or not" debate.  That is what has made us look like idiots since 1947.

If your opinions involve complete or automatic skepticism about these ideas, as is the case on most of the internet, it surprises me that you are here but at least I can understand it.  If your views are otherwise, then you will need to explain what they are as the matter is not obvious to me.

You are just trying to deflect from the fact that you have no credible evidence that "they" are ETs.  I won't repeat myself again.

A sensible way to look at what a person is saying is to see what facts they present.  That's mine.